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Title: U.S. Presidental IQ Hoax
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Published: May 8, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-05-08 12:59:41 by Turtle
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The U.S. Presidential IQ hoax was a mid-2001 e-mail and internet hoax that purported to provide a list of estimated IQs of the U.S. Presidents from Franklin D. Roosevelt to George W. Bush.[1]

The hoaxThe hoax email showed Bill Clinton having the highest IQ (182) and George W. Bush the lowest (91). However, the numbers claimed in the email were fabricated, and the sociologists and institutions (e.g., the "Lovenstein Institute") quoted in the article do not exist (a "Lovenstein Institute" website displays the "report", but it was created after the report's release).[2] The techniques purportedly used to measure IQ of the presidents are not recognized means of measuring IQs. The hoax also contains other factual errors.[1] When the hoax was debunked, it appeared to be a personal attack on Bush because of its timing and its listing Bush's IQ as exactly half that of Clinton's.

Reports about the hoaxPerhaps because the perception of George W. Bush having low intelligence is common and had been cited by the media[3] as well as by politicians, including a spokesperson for Tony Blair,[4] the hoax report was widely taken to be true. The British newspaper The Guardian, for example, quoted the report in its diary section of July 19, 2001 and used it to belittle Bush, although the paper published a retraction two days after the Associated Press drew attention to the error.[5][6] Other mainstream media news outlets to fall for the hoax included Bild (Germany), Pravda (Russia), and the Southland Times (New Zealand) as well as a few small U.S. newspapers. The hoax came back to life in March 2007 in Spanish-language media when the Press Agency EFE distributed a piece referring to it. Dozens of media (primarily in their online versions) reproduced EFE's text. Among newspapers publishing the hoax were El País (Spain's leading newspaper),[7] ABC and La Vanguardia.

Origin of the hoaxAbout.com reports that linkydinky.com was the original source of the spoof.[8] Indeed, linkydinky's page on the hoax calls the report "our hoax".[9] A copy of the spoof in full can be found there.

IQ estimations by academicsIn 2001 political psychologist Aubrey Immelman made an IQ estimation of G. W. Bush based on the SAT Reasoning Test results of Bush (1206) and Al Gore, who achieved IQ scores of 133 and 134 in his school years: "It's tempting to employ Al Gore's IQ:SAT ratio of 134:1355 as a formula for estimating Bush's probable intelligence quotient — an exercise in fuzzy statistics that predicts a score of 119."[10]

A 2006 study analyzing presidential IQs by Dean Keith Simonton of U.C. Davis appeared in the journal Political Psychology. Simonton's study analyzed the results of varied and often subjective historical material using the tools of historiometry. It estimated IQs for all US presidents, and validated the headline of the hoax, which stated Bush's was the lowest of any president in the last 50 years, though it estimates his IQ considerably higher (by more than two standard deviations) than the 91 suggested in the hoax report. It rated G.W. Bush second to last since 1900, with an estimated IQ of 125 (the estimates ranged from 111 to 139). Bush's estimated IQ was only higher than those estimated for Grant (120), Monroe (124), and Harding (124). The same study estimated president Bill Clinton's IQ at 149, behind only those of Kennedy (151), Jefferson (154) and J. Quincy Adams (169).[11]

The methodology of Simonton's study was questioned by Thomas C. Reeves who refers to an actual IQ test by Kennedy with a score of 119.[12]


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This is for those who fall for hoaxes and don't even know it.

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#1. To: ambi, RickyJ (#0)

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.”

"And in the absence of thought or action by people of generally good faith, action by the more extreme and violent is assured."

Turtle  posted on  2012-05-08   13:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Turtle (#0)

This is for those who fall for hoaxes and don't even know it.

Your point?

An attempt to damn all speculation and inference?

One thing we do know is that Jorge was not the sharpest tool in the shed - he was in fact an idiot - as is Obama. I suspect Jorge was the dumber of the two but neither one should ever be accused of being bright.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-08   14:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

An attempt to damn all speculation and inference?

People who fall for hoaxes, and don't even bother to investigate to see if it is a hoax, are the most gullible people around.

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.”

"And in the absence of thought or action by people of generally good faith, action by the more extreme and violent is assured."

Turtle  posted on  2012-05-08   14:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Turtle (#0)

Hoax my ass Bush was is and always shall be the stupidest president... I mean I shit you not that man is borderline retarded. Grant is damn sure smarter than Bush...And in this the internet age we shall never forget just how stupid Bush really was and no amount of historical record changing or fraternal manipulations will change that fact. Bush was stupid... Few... maybe none of you know this but I have a mentally disabled friend. He is borderline retarded. He can't keep a job , he can't write anything past his name, he can sorda read but not like you and I here. And no he has no internet. Their is no need. This will never be something he can grasp.

George bush is just like him. Only with better healthcare and more drug abuse ...vice that only the one percent can enjoy currently. And even they shouldn't party like they do... fuck em..

Point being? The article and such might of ran bogus but the main message is true.... bush was our stupidest president...As much as I hate obama and know I KNOW how he is worse... it is like the asshole compressed all the worse things of the Bush years into his four year term and yet that man is darn sure smarter than Bush. NOt that it is a good thing.... I mean what better stupid satan or smart satan? meh. THink I'll stay in texas a while longer yet.


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titorite  posted on  2012-05-08   14:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent, turtle (#2)

U.S. Presidental IQ

"As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."---H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-05-08   15:08:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)

This is for those who fall for hoaxes and don't even know it.

Sometimes, they dont want to know it.

If it fits their worldview, and it's in print, they'll believe it. And, proof to the contrary be damned and the messenger that proves differently or merely questions the validity is an agent. lol

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"Those who believe the Bible are those who know the least about it".

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-05-08   15:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Turtle (#0)

Estimating IQ scores - especially of people who are long dead or who never took an aptitude test (at least one where you'd know their score) - is a very shaky project. About 60 years ago some shrink made a list of the estimate IQs of a whole bunch of famous people, leaving some (like Sir Isaac Newton) in the dust and some others (like Mozart) at the top of the pile. It turns out that his method consisted of counting up the stories about various clever things they had done AS CHILDREN. If there were a lot of stories they got high IQs, otherwise low IQs. The question of how trustworthy the stories were didn't enter into it. Those who had grown up in relative isolation, those whose childhoods had not been written up by admirers, those who didn't accumulate child prodigy stories, were downrated. Of course Mozart got the top honors; his family was making a living exhibiting him as a young child - they encouraged such stories.

So guessing at the IQs of famous men is very unreliable guessing. Someone like George W. Bush might have had a fairly high IQ - he grew up with well-educated parents in a culturally enriched home, among articulate people, and so forth. But a bare IQ score doesn't prophesy success at Everything; Mozart might have been a great disappointment as an engineer or a chemist.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-05-08   17:50:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Turtle (#3)

People who fall for hoaxes, and don't even bother to investigate to see if it is a hoax, are the most gullible people around.

Oh! Obama voters and FreepTards.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-08   17:56:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Shoonra, Turtle (#7)

So guessing at the IQs of famous men is very unreliable guessing. Someone like George W. Bush might have had a fairly high IQ - he grew up with well-educated parents in a culturally enriched home, among articulate people, and so forth. But a bare IQ score doesn't prophesy success at Everything; Mozart might have been a great disappointment as an engineer or a chemist.

Even straightforward written IQ tests are not entirely reliable. My father, later a commercial pilot and flight instructor, was classified by the USMC test, during WWII, as an imbecile. Turned out they later discovered that the test had an unconscious bias in favor of a city vocabulary as opposed to a country vocabulary and the two were not the same. Thus the assumption that people who lived in the country were stupid.

And Mozart might just as easily been a genius at engineering or chemistry (which was just being invented as a science during his lifetime). Genius is difficult to quantify because it exists in realm well above the human norm - which is why geniuses are frequently disliked and even hated given our societal bias in favor of mediocrity.

"Genius does what it must
Talent does what it can
Me, I do what I get paid to do." ;-)

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-08   18:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent, Shoonra, Turtle (#9)

My father, later a commercial pilot and flight instructor, was classified by the USMC test, during WWII, as an imbecile. Turned out they later discovered that the test had an unconscious bias in favor of a city vocabulary as opposed to a country vocabulary and the two were not the same.

Bullshit.

Many from rural areas fought. Lots of them were farmers. Did they classify them as "imbeciles" too? Or was it just your dad.

Xenu is getting angry and is looking for another million kittens...

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"Those who believe the Bible are those who know the least about it".

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PSUSA2  posted on  2012-05-08   18:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Shoonra (#7)

Mozart might have been a great disappointment as an engineer or a chemist.

Perhaps. We don't know about his aptitudes in the hard sciences.

However, at quite a young age he not only mastered the keyboard (which savants that can't tie their shoes can do), he also learned fluent Italian and had a substantial grasp of harmonics, counterpoint, composition, scoring and the French and Italian schools of orchestration. Few mature composers had as much under their belts as Mozart did as a young man.

We don't know if he would have discovered high explosives, but intellectually Mozart was dynamite.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken

randge  posted on  2012-05-08   18:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA2 (#10)

Bullshit.

I see you are down to your usual standards.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-08   19:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: randge (#11)

We don't know if he would have discovered high explosives, but intellectually Mozart was dynamite.

Although Beethoven is my real hero in that regard. He composed the incomparable 9th after having gone totally deaf. I think that the second movement of the ninth is perhaps the greatest work of genius in all of music.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-08   19:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: titorite (#4)

Hoax my ass Bush was is and always shall be the stupidest president... I mean I shit you not that man is borderline retarded.

Funny.

And I am not saying it not true.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith

tom007  posted on  2012-05-08   20:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Bullshit.

I see you are down to your usual standards.

Perseverent Gardener "“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent posted on 2012-05-08 19:46:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I love you guys.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith

tom007  posted on  2012-05-08   21:03:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Turtle (#0)

Bush's low morality is not in dispute.

Good luck trying to rehab the rep of that dumb ass.

""Throughout our history, the words of the Declaration have inspired immigrants from around the world to set sail to our shores. These immigrants have helped transform 13 small colonies into a great and growing nation of more than 300 people." --George W. Bush, Charlottesville, Va., July 4, 2008"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2012-05-08   21:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: tom007, BSUSATOO (#15)

He's just upset because he's overflowing with hate and does not like being called on his B.S., and that I run rings around him when I feel like bothering with it. Generally I don't except when he is being a particularly nasty boy. And regular as clockwork, twice a day, he will actually come out with a sentient thought that is not clouded by irrational prejudice. I actually even agree with him once in a while, but don't tell him that he wouldn't believe it.

Perseverent Gardener
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Original_Intent  posted on  2012-05-08   22:45:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lysander_Spooner (#5)

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

lol.....Mencken was a man of great insight. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-08   22:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Original_Intent (#9)

. Turned out they later discovered that the test had an unconscious bias in favor of a city vocabulary as opposed to a country vocabulary and the two were not the same. Thus the assumption that people who lived in the country were stupid.

Very true. IQ tests frequently have a built-in bias, that often is reflected in cultural or vocabulary questions. For example, Mensa used to use its own exclusive IQ test (actually, I think it was a draft of an IQ test that was "given" away to Mensa rather than spend the enormous amount of money needed to test it over and over to standardize it) that had vocabulary tests that were chock-a-block with astro-physics terms that might have become popular with scientific types early in the Sputnik era (ca. 1960) - syzygy, for example. Fifty years have passed and I never needed even one of those words in a conversation. The cultural bias of what some eggheads were talking about at a certain brief span of history and it would have been gibberish to those whose strength was in another hard science like biochem.

There was a children's IQ test, circa 1940, that indicated a lot of kids were "slow". It had been standardized - meaning it had been used over and over again with thousands of children over a number of years to make sure that (1) it gave fairly consistent results and (2) its scores could be correlated with the scores on other IQ tests with different questions that were given to the same kids when they were a few years older. One of the crucial parts was a collection of small drawings of things and the kids were supposed to identify whatever was in the drawing. One of the pictures was of a telephone - but it was the two piece "Front Page" phone of the 1920s when they started standardizing this test, but by 1940 the Bell Company (remember them?) had replaced just about every one of those phones with the famous "Black Beauty" model with the handset - small children circa 1940 had never even seen the two-piece phone and couldn't identify it to save their lives, but they were downgraded for missing that question.

Shoonra  posted on  2012-05-09   2:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: abraxas (#18)

Yup, and "the plain folks of the land" have gotten their men.

Morons who have become El Presidente:

Obummer

Dubnuts

I think stinkn Lincoln was a moron, likely disease ridden with syphilis and affected by Marfan's Syndrome, he was a sick, sick person.

A short list, perhaps you could add too it.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-05-09   11:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Lysander_Spooner (#20)

A short list, perhaps you could add too it.

Here's my top two~

I think that Lyndon Baines Johnson and his escalation in Nam coupled with his treasonous cover up of the USS Liberty attack was an idiot. He was the beginning of the puppet brigade, IMHO.

I also despise Woodrow Wilson who must have truly been stupid signing the Federal Reserve Act and lamenting his idiocy afterwards.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-09   21:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas (#21) (Edited)

Did you see Walter Williams column today?

Leftist Race-Baiters

I hope Williams has his facts straight (he does, btw) because I'm hoping we can get socialist baiting on the program for the 2016 olympics.

From the article:

When Lyndon B. Johnson was in the House of Representatives, he said that President Harry Truman's civil rights program was "a farce and a sham – an effort to set up a police state in the guise of liberty." He continued: "I am opposed to that program. I have voted against the so-called poll tax repeal bill. ... I have voted against the so-called anti-lynching bill." When Johnson had become senator, he observed, "These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days, and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness.

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-05-09   21:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#22)

So much of the shit we are smelling formed in the colon of Johnson.......here's two more turds~

On October 22, 1968, Lyndon Johnson signed the Gun Control Act of 1968, one of the largest and most far reaching federal gun control laws in American history.

Johnson signed the Immigration Act of 1965.

lol....socialist baiting sounds like a stellar Olympic event, I would watch that one. : )

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-09   21:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: abraxas (#23)

I tried explaining Johnson's hypocrisy to a socialist a few months ago, time which would have been better spent arguing the pros and cons of fluoridation with the cat.

from wikipedia:Civil Rights Act of 1957

The Democratic Senate Majority Leader, Lyndon Baines Johnson from Texas, realized that the bill and its journey through Congress could tear apart his party, whose southern bloc was anti-civil rights and northern members were more pro-civil rights. Southern senators occupied chairs of numerous important committees due to their long seniority. Johnson sent the bill to the judiciary committee, led by Senator James Eastland from Mississippi, who proceeded to change and alter the bill almost beyond recognition. Senator Richard Russell from Georgia had claimed the bill was an example of the Federal government wanting to impose its laws on states. Johnson sought recognition from civil rights advocates for passing the bill, while also receiving recognition from the mostly southern anti-civil rights Democrats for reducing it so much as to kill it.

I hope you have better luck with this knowledge than I have. :)

"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2012-05-09   22:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dakmar (#24)

I tried explaining Johnson's hypocrisy to a socialist a few months ago, time which would have been better spent arguing the pros and cons of fluoridation with the cat.

lol....they will never see that two faced bastard for what he was. It is no surprise that Obama's favorite POTUS other than himself is Johnson.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2012-05-09   22:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#24)

time which would have been better spent arguing the pros and cons of fluoridation with the cat.

Socialists and feminists, two tards of the same stripe, as my father used to say; "Why Bother".

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-05-09   22:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: abraxas (#21)

You will get no argument from me.

I think the last President I liked was William Henry Harrison, he died after one month in office, perhaps the least harmful to the people of any of them.

Lysander_Spooner  posted on  2012-05-09   22:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Turtle (#0)

This is for those who fall for hoaxes and don't even know it.

IQ is not static. Right now I doubt Bush has an IQ as high as 91, it is probably lower.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2012-05-14   1:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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