Title: Cynicom was right, Ron Paul is a royal turd Source:
[None] URL Source:[None] Published:May 14, 2012 Author:Moi Post Date:2012-05-14 15:43:49 by Jethro Tull Keywords:None Views:2823 Comments:122
As per Drudge, RP just quit the race. I was taken yet again.
Cyni, this is directed to you. You nailed it from the get go, and I got suckered.
I bow to you and accept my heaping portion of crow served anyway you care to deliver it to me.
With Paul making this very unnecessary statement, I can't help but think a giant wet towel has been thrown over the movement.
JT, I was just talking to CadetD and used the exact same terms to describe my opinion. Saying anything was UNNECESSARY and counter-productive.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Speculation that he might split from the GOP to mount an independent presidential bid were never borne out,
Ron decided long ago to DO NO HARM TO THE FUTURE OF RAND PAUL.
That entailed no third party run, AND NO HARM TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Now the republican party will be beholden to Ron.
It is politics at its best backroom style.
Trying to paper over this withdrawal is futile and foolish.
While I somewhat agree I disagree with the motivations you are assigning to RP.
I still go back to the South Carolina Debate in the last (s)Election as that was the turning point. The entire tenor of his campaign changed from that point forward. If you look for a reason now for his behavior it is not in present time you will not find one - it is back in SC (or that time frame). I don't know what he was threatened with but it was convincing. It is possible that a Senatorial seat for Rand was offered to make things less bitter, but I am convinced that was NOT the reason for the change. The reason there will be no third party run is because of a threat or threats unknown. Threats so overwhelming that he would not dare mention them in public. It would be pointless anyway as a third party candidate, as it stands now, will not ever be allowed to win.
I do not know how it was done but I am convinced that he was threatened with something that he could not counter - likely the lives of loved ones from a source that he knew could, and would, make good on the threats. And it was from that point that his focus shifted and he ceased being a serious candidate as he knew he would not be allowed to win and that if he made enough noise that people close to him would have "accidents".
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
#39. To: Jethro Tull, noone222, christine, CadetD, abraxas, farmfriend, Lod, James Deffenbach, All (#33)
I'll take a peek at some of the forums I got involved with recently. I can't help but think had RP just kept his yap shut this "go anyway" sentiment might have validity. With Paul making this very unnecessary statement, I can't help but think a giant wet towel has been thrown over the movement.
That is very likely the exact intent. Remember the people we are facing rely extensively on psychological/psychiatric control - "the meme is quicker than the eye". If I am correct, that he was gotten to at the time of the SC Republican Debate in the last election cycle then the entire function of this run was as a PsyOp
So, if I am right the entire point of the RP run this time was to prevent the rise of a real anti-fascist candidate. And just as everyone is beginning to develop hope that we might make a breakthrough the rug is pulled out at the psychological moment timed to prevent the rise of another candidate and to discourage the defenders of liberty.
Remember that one of the prime functions of a PsyOp is to discourage and demoralize the enemy. If you grant that the power elite regards "We The People" as the enemy it begins to make a Machiavellian sense - in a psychological way. The intent being to disrupt and demoralize the rise of a liberty movement which threatens the criminals in power.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
So, if I am right the entire point of the RP run this time was to prevent the rise of a real anti-fascist candidate. And just as everyone is beginning to develop hope that we might make a breakthrough the rug is pulled out at the psychological moment timed to prevent the rise of another candidate and to discourage the defenders of liberty.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
No, you just wanted what's best for your children, grandchildren and their children. No sin in that, my man.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a leader. I don't need to be led, especially by a politician. I'm looking for someone who will look out for the interests of me and my family by upholding the Constitution of the United States in such a way that the government leaves me the hell alone and allows me to live my life with the least amount of intrusion possible.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Yeah, that's the one thing that has me wondering too, why not take it to Romnuts in Texas.
I think RP will still take it to Romney in Texas as long as he's still on the ballot. His supporters aren't ready to quit, yet.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
The remaining question is how strong or how tepid will Rons support be for Romney.
From that we can gauge what Ron has gotten or will get in return.
I'm a realist (with romantic tendencies) and am in this for the long haul. While I appreciate the movement that has surface I also conclude that it is larger, spiritually, than just one man, and that is what really scares the elite. They are materialists and hence pathologically frightened by the spiritual.
I think I'll stick with my earlier guessalysis that any expression of support for Oromney will be at best tepid and perfunctory.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a leader. I don't need to be led, especially by a politician. I'm looking for someone who will look out for the interests of me and my family by upholding the Constitution of the United States in such a way that the government leaves me the hell alone and allows me to live my life with the least amount of intrusion possible.
I get that H, but tactically, I see zero sense in today's announcement. He was on all the state ballots, and his strategy of delegate accumulation was creeping along, albeit slowly. Why????? announce it's over before Tampa???? Had he simply kept his yap shut he certainly would have garnered more delegates then he will now. I smell the stench of politics. I wish I felt differently.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
The problem w/ this is that he's pretty much held the same positions throughout his entire career. Have they been "saving him up" for "this day?" There was never a guarantee that he would even make it this far. If not him, due to poor health, then whom?
You can file me in the camp that says that Paul wouldn't have made it thru one term anyway, the "foe" is enormous and earth encompassing and I sense a terminal case of "food poisoning" or the like anyway.
How many others would have run on real issues? I can't think of one other candidate.
But if he wanted to help son Rand, I don't think that this was the way to do it. He'll never have any credibility now.
The problem with the theory that "he did it for Rand" is that it is totally inconsistent with the record you site.
He was gotten to of that I am pretty well convinced but it is all circumstantial, but he had a real, clear to me, change in focus at the time of the SC debates last election cycle. There was a clear difference in the "before and after" and that is why I think he was threatened by what he regarded as a credible threat. If you assume that then everything else begins to make a murky sense.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Oh the irony of it all. On Wednesday, it was disclosed that well known technology investor Peter Thiel is the biggest donor to Texas Rep. Ron Paul’s Super PAC. Theil, a wealthy international financier is also a gay libertarian and, wait for it, a member of the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group! ... (Here is a tissue so you can get that Ron Paul supporter brains that just exploded all over you out of your shirt. I should have warned you first. Sorry.)
Thiel contributed a significant $900,000 to a pro-Paul Super PAC “Endorse Liberty.” On Tuesday, the PAC disclosed that it has raised $3.9 million to date.
The Bilderberg Group is a perennial favorite of the conspiratorially minded, new world order, trilateral commission types. Ron Paul, while not a vocal advocate of such conspiracy theories, certainly does little to dispel such notions among his supporters.
Indeed, as a regular guest of Alex Jones’ conspiracy-focused radio program, some of his supporters can be forgiven for thinking he held these views himself. Today’s news should dispel his supporters of such notions.
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Paul himself said that he has no idea what the Bilderberger Group gathers annual to discuss but it may include “how they're going to control the banking systems of the world and natural resources."
Thiel is a major tech investor with an estimated worth of $1.7 billion and a famous libertarian – he has aided foundations that encourage students to drop out of college in order to promote entrepreneurial ventures among young people and “seasteading,” an organization which promotes learning on the high seas in modified floating colleges governed only by maritime custom law.
The Bilderberger Group, named for the famous Dutch hotel where the group meets annually, is a secretive organization of wealthy and influential business leaders that conspiracy theorists believe exercises major influence over the world's leaders from behind the scenes.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
I think I'll stick with my earlier guessalysis that any expression of support for Oromney will be at best tepid and perfunctory.
Ron can't offer any support for that socialist son of a bitch without being a major hypocrite.
The American public, or at least those that consider voting and politics important, regardless of party affiliation, should storm the RNC in Tampa and beat the shit out of the thugs from the RNC and the media pundits there.
This primary season was an absolute abomination such as the Soviets could never get away with.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
He'll do well in Texas (as long as everyone doesn't believe he's actually quit) "again" !
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
There was a clear difference in the "before and after" and that is why I think he was threatened by what he regarded as a credible threat. If you assume that then everything else begins to make a murky sense.
Can you clarify that? (not sure what you mean exactly)
It's hard to pin down since I have no direct evidence, but it was as though before the SC debate he was making steady serious inroads, and then all of sudden his attitude changed - it was a subtle change but it was the difference between "fire in the belly" to "making a good show of it" as though he had been convinced that under no circumstances would he be allowed to win. It was at the SC debate where he repudiated all of his 911 Truth supporters in making a statement which was uncharacteristically harsh and absolutely embracing the Party Lyin on 911 - despite what had been coming out the back door that he thought a real investigation was in order.
And when I say credible threat I mean that it came from a source, regardless of the specifics of the threat, for which there was no doubt whatsoever in his mind that "they" could make good on it. In other words he was certain the threat was real and was certain that the people making the threat could and would carry it out if he did not play ball.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
I get that H, but tactically, I see zero sense in today's announcement. He was on all the state ballots, and his strategy of delegate accumulation was creeping along, albeit slowly. Why????? announce it's over before Tampa????
Good question. In the announcement it was stated that he did not have the funds to continue in the primary states. I assume that means he isn't going to spend money on advertising in those states or campaigning throughout those states. If that is the case then surely the media would notice. This may have been nothing more than Ron Paul being upfront and honest instead of being sneaky and hoping no one noticed. Hell, who knows how the media would twist that.
Then again, maybe he's been a plant for the last 40 years. If so, then he should receive an academy award because he's bamboozled tens of millions of people.
Maybe I am a rube like others have said but I trust the man. I've been reading his writings since the early 80's. He's walked the walk of his talk as far as I am concerned. When he does things (like this) that I don't understand, then I give him the benefit of the doubt for the simple reason that I think that he truly is a good, decent human being who has the best interests of this country and its people in mind. I'm not a Christian or religious at all but when I think of what a Christian SHOULD be, I think of Ron Paul, as foolish as that may be.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
This primary season was an absolute abomination such as the Soviets could never get away with.
It did have the salubrious effect though of convincing a lot more people that what we have is "Potemkin" Elections - that the facade of one man one vote has ceased to have any substance in reality. FreepTards excepted of course as in their slack jawed, mouth breathing, drooling world anything Faux Nooze or the Mahajunkie says is holy writ that anyone "thinking" - otherwise is a (((((shudder))))) "conspiracy theorist" - and evidence be damned.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
We been so well bamboozled in our lifetimes that it's impossible to know a public man in whom you can invest your trust with absolute certainty, but I have the same feeling about RP.
I really think he has gone as far as a man can go in the name of liberty without being Wellstoned.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Then again, maybe he's been a plant for the last 40 years. If so, then he should receive an academy award because he's bamboozled tens of millions of people.
Very good.
Jethro, two others and myself have been discussing this possibility for quite some time. In fact for years.
#72. To: Original_Intent, ambi, jethro tull, formerlurker (#38)
as i posted to christine this morning before paul's trotsky2 speech.. did ya'll see that Paul had breakfast with bernanke last week and declined to say what was discussed?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
.. did ya'll see that Paul had breakfast with bernanke last week and declined to say what was discussed?
"Wednesday’s visit to the Fed’s Washington headquarters was not the first for Mr. Paul, who has said previously he dined at the central bank with former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker".
