Title: Cynicom was right, Ron Paul is a royal turd Source:
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As per Drudge, RP just quit the race. I was taken yet again.
Cyni, this is directed to you. You nailed it from the get go, and I got suckered.
I bow to you and accept my heaping portion of crow served anyway you care to deliver it to me.
Don't feel too bad, Tom. Lucy ALWAYS jerks the football away.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
As I reflect on our 2012 Presidential campaign, I am humbled by the supporters who have worked so hard and sacrificed so much. And I am so proud of what we have accomplished. We will not stop until we have restored what once made America the greatest country in human history.
This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.
Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.
Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.
I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved - become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.
For Liberty,
Ron Paul
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson
His decision not to compete for new votes in other states leaves Mr. Romney as the only candidate still actively fighting for voters’ support in the 11 states still to vote. That list includes the biggest prizes on the board — Texas and California.
An old lonely slave comes back from the grave Searching... searching... searching For his master who's long gone on
So he's not withdrawing from the race or conceeding to Romney, he's just not going to spend any more money in primary states.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I'm peeking into your inner sanctum again. That was my exact first thought.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
He hasn't quit the race. He's no longer campaigning in states that have not voted (which would mean spending money he doesn't have to spend). He's still looking to gain delegates, and those that support him still support him.
If he doesn't have the money, then what should he do?
Ron Paul 'Goes Galt': Quits Presidential Race but Hopes to Turn Tide
Like John Galt, the fictional hero of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged, Republican presidential contender Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has quit the mainstream of American political life--only to plot a return as a revolutionary hero for the cause of liberty. Paul has announced that he is suspending his campaign, but will keep trying to win delegates in state contests that will allow him maximum leverage at this summer's Republican National Convention. In an email to supporters, Paul wrote:
This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.
Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.
Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.
As he had done in 2008, Paul used the Republican nominating process--especially the debates--to advocate for libertarian economic ideals and an isolationist foreign policy. The latter posture endeared him to the mainstream media, who continued to use his positions as a foil against other Republicans.
Paul's organization has been particularly effective and enthusiastic in state delegate contests, so his influence on the Republican party platform--and the vice-presidential nomination stakes--could be significant. Speculation that he might split from the GOP to mount an independent presidential bid were never borne out, and may have been pre-empted by Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson's attempt to do the same.
Cynicom is a leftist troll who hasn't been right about anything his whole life
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Ron Paul doesn't need to spend money in states that haven't voted. His origination is in place and he already has the delegates locked up, it's going to be a brokered convention.
You forgot FedGov agent provocateur and overall 02 waster
He reminds me of Robin, who for years acted and posted on F4um as a lover of small government right up until Obama began his "free healthcare" bullshit. Once Dr. Paul became a threat to his masters, Cynicom began his anti-Paul crusade.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Cynicom is a leftist troll who hasn't been right about anything his whole life
You really need to remember to take your meds.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Cynicom is a leftist troll who hasn't been right about anything his whole life
You forgot FedGov agent provocateur and overall 02 waster
RP dropped out last time the day of the Texas convention - this time a couple of weeks prior to the Texas primary and the delegate convention.
Whatever the strategy (if there really is one) it doesn't look like the one I'd use. It looks like he quit to everyone except some of Paul's people.
I don't trust "any" FED including Ron Paul and I'm not a leftist troll or a FED GOV Agent provocateur.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Why? Cynicom is an admitted lifetime federal employee. He is an outspoken advocate of unions in general and the federal employees union in particular. That makes him pro-big government. If he talks like a leftist and walks like a leftist.....
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
Maybe we'll see what this revolution is really made out of. In reading some of the posts at the DAILY PAUL it appears that many of Ron's supporters are ready to go even if he quits.
The fact is Ron's an old guy and could have died during this campaign season and then what - freedom and liberty die with Ron Paul ? I hope there's some truth in the statements coming out that Ron simply hasn't got the funding to campaign in the primary states that remain and is pulling delegates together for the convention in Tampa. (It's really too bad that Texas gets screwed again).
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Maybe we'll see what this revolution is really made out of. In reading some of the posts at the DAILY PAUL it appears that many of Ron's supporters are ready to go even if he quits.
I'll take a peek at some of the forums I got involved with recently. I can't help but think had RP just kept his yap shut this "go anyway" sentiment might have validity. With Paul making this very unnecessary statement, I can't help but think a giant wet towel has been thrown over the movement.
With Paul making this very unnecessary statement, I can't help but think a giant wet towel has been thrown over the movement.
JT, I was just talking to CadetD and used the exact same terms to describe my opinion. Saying anything was UNNECESSARY and counter-productive.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Speculation that he might split from the GOP to mount an independent presidential bid were never borne out,
Ron decided long ago to DO NO HARM TO THE FUTURE OF RAND PAUL.
That entailed no third party run, AND NO HARM TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
Now the republican party will be beholden to Ron.
It is politics at its best backroom style.
Trying to paper over this withdrawal is futile and foolish.
While I somewhat agree I disagree with the motivations you are assigning to RP.
I still go back to the South Carolina Debate in the last (s)Election as that was the turning point. The entire tenor of his campaign changed from that point forward. If you look for a reason now for his behavior it is not in present time you will not find one - it is back in SC (or that time frame). I don't know what he was threatened with but it was convincing. It is possible that a Senatorial seat for Rand was offered to make things less bitter, but I am convinced that was NOT the reason for the change. The reason there will be no third party run is because of a threat or threats unknown. Threats so overwhelming that he would not dare mention them in public. It would be pointless anyway as a third party candidate, as it stands now, will not ever be allowed to win.
I do not know how it was done but I am convinced that he was threatened with something that he could not counter - likely the lives of loved ones from a source that he knew could, and would, make good on the threats. And it was from that point that his focus shifted and he ceased being a serious candidate as he knew he would not be allowed to win and that if he made enough noise that people close to him would have "accidents".
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
#39. To: Jethro Tull, noone222, christine, CadetD, abraxas, farmfriend, Lod, James Deffenbach, All (#33)
I'll take a peek at some of the forums I got involved with recently. I can't help but think had RP just kept his yap shut this "go anyway" sentiment might have validity. With Paul making this very unnecessary statement, I can't help but think a giant wet towel has been thrown over the movement.
That is very likely the exact intent. Remember the people we are facing rely extensively on psychological/psychiatric control - "the meme is quicker than the eye". If I am correct, that he was gotten to at the time of the SC Republican Debate in the last election cycle then the entire function of this run was as a PsyOp
So, if I am right the entire point of the RP run this time was to prevent the rise of a real anti-fascist candidate. And just as everyone is beginning to develop hope that we might make a breakthrough the rug is pulled out at the psychological moment timed to prevent the rise of another candidate and to discourage the defenders of liberty.
Remember that one of the prime functions of a PsyOp is to discourage and demoralize the enemy. If you grant that the power elite regards "We The People" as the enemy it begins to make a Machiavellian sense - in a psychological way. The intent being to disrupt and demoralize the rise of a liberty movement which threatens the criminals in power.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
So, if I am right the entire point of the RP run this time was to prevent the rise of a real anti-fascist candidate. And just as everyone is beginning to develop hope that we might make a breakthrough the rug is pulled out at the psychological moment timed to prevent the rise of another candidate and to discourage the defenders of liberty.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
No, you just wanted what's best for your children, grandchildren and their children. No sin in that, my man.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a leader. I don't need to be led, especially by a politician. I'm looking for someone who will look out for the interests of me and my family by upholding the Constitution of the United States in such a way that the government leaves me the hell alone and allows me to live my life with the least amount of intrusion possible.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Yeah, that's the one thing that has me wondering too, why not take it to Romnuts in Texas.
I think RP will still take it to Romney in Texas as long as he's still on the ballot. His supporters aren't ready to quit, yet.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
The remaining question is how strong or how tepid will Rons support be for Romney.
From that we can gauge what Ron has gotten or will get in return.
I'm a realist (with romantic tendencies) and am in this for the long haul. While I appreciate the movement that has surface I also conclude that it is larger, spiritually, than just one man, and that is what really scares the elite. They are materialists and hence pathologically frightened by the spiritual.
I think I'll stick with my earlier guessalysis that any expression of support for Oromney will be at best tepid and perfunctory.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a leader. I don't need to be led, especially by a politician. I'm looking for someone who will look out for the interests of me and my family by upholding the Constitution of the United States in such a way that the government leaves me the hell alone and allows me to live my life with the least amount of intrusion possible.
I get that H, but tactically, I see zero sense in today's announcement. He was on all the state ballots, and his strategy of delegate accumulation was creeping along, albeit slowly. Why????? announce it's over before Tampa???? Had he simply kept his yap shut he certainly would have garnered more delegates then he will now. I smell the stench of politics. I wish I felt differently.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
The problem w/ this is that he's pretty much held the same positions throughout his entire career. Have they been "saving him up" for "this day?" There was never a guarantee that he would even make it this far. If not him, due to poor health, then whom?
You can file me in the camp that says that Paul wouldn't have made it thru one term anyway, the "foe" is enormous and earth encompassing and I sense a terminal case of "food poisoning" or the like anyway.
How many others would have run on real issues? I can't think of one other candidate.
But if he wanted to help son Rand, I don't think that this was the way to do it. He'll never have any credibility now.
The problem with the theory that "he did it for Rand" is that it is totally inconsistent with the record you site.
He was gotten to of that I am pretty well convinced but it is all circumstantial, but he had a real, clear to me, change in focus at the time of the SC debates last election cycle. There was a clear difference in the "before and after" and that is why I think he was threatened by what he regarded as a credible threat. If you assume that then everything else begins to make a murky sense.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Oh the irony of it all. On Wednesday, it was disclosed that well known technology investor Peter Thiel is the biggest donor to Texas Rep. Ron Paul’s Super PAC. Theil, a wealthy international financier is also a gay libertarian and, wait for it, a member of the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group! ... (Here is a tissue so you can get that Ron Paul supporter brains that just exploded all over you out of your shirt. I should have warned you first. Sorry.)
Thiel contributed a significant $900,000 to a pro-Paul Super PAC “Endorse Liberty.” On Tuesday, the PAC disclosed that it has raised $3.9 million to date.
The Bilderberg Group is a perennial favorite of the conspiratorially minded, new world order, trilateral commission types. Ron Paul, while not a vocal advocate of such conspiracy theories, certainly does little to dispel such notions among his supporters.
Indeed, as a regular guest of Alex Jones’ conspiracy-focused radio program, some of his supporters can be forgiven for thinking he held these views himself. Today’s news should dispel his supporters of such notions.
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Paul himself said that he has no idea what the Bilderberger Group gathers annual to discuss but it may include “how they're going to control the banking systems of the world and natural resources."
Thiel is a major tech investor with an estimated worth of $1.7 billion and a famous libertarian – he has aided foundations that encourage students to drop out of college in order to promote entrepreneurial ventures among young people and “seasteading,” an organization which promotes learning on the high seas in modified floating colleges governed only by maritime custom law.
The Bilderberger Group, named for the famous Dutch hotel where the group meets annually, is a secretive organization of wealthy and influential business leaders that conspiracy theorists believe exercises major influence over the world's leaders from behind the scenes.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
I think I'll stick with my earlier guessalysis that any expression of support for Oromney will be at best tepid and perfunctory.
Ron can't offer any support for that socialist son of a bitch without being a major hypocrite.
The American public, or at least those that consider voting and politics important, regardless of party affiliation, should storm the RNC in Tampa and beat the shit out of the thugs from the RNC and the media pundits there.
This primary season was an absolute abomination such as the Soviets could never get away with.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
He'll do well in Texas (as long as everyone doesn't believe he's actually quit) "again" !
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
There was a clear difference in the "before and after" and that is why I think he was threatened by what he regarded as a credible threat. If you assume that then everything else begins to make a murky sense.
Can you clarify that? (not sure what you mean exactly)
It's hard to pin down since I have no direct evidence, but it was as though before the SC debate he was making steady serious inroads, and then all of sudden his attitude changed - it was a subtle change but it was the difference between "fire in the belly" to "making a good show of it" as though he had been convinced that under no circumstances would he be allowed to win. It was at the SC debate where he repudiated all of his 911 Truth supporters in making a statement which was uncharacteristically harsh and absolutely embracing the Party Lyin on 911 - despite what had been coming out the back door that he thought a real investigation was in order.
And when I say credible threat I mean that it came from a source, regardless of the specifics of the threat, for which there was no doubt whatsoever in his mind that "they" could make good on it. In other words he was certain the threat was real and was certain that the people making the threat could and would carry it out if he did not play ball.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
I get that H, but tactically, I see zero sense in today's announcement. He was on all the state ballots, and his strategy of delegate accumulation was creeping along, albeit slowly. Why????? announce it's over before Tampa????
Good question. In the announcement it was stated that he did not have the funds to continue in the primary states. I assume that means he isn't going to spend money on advertising in those states or campaigning throughout those states. If that is the case then surely the media would notice. This may have been nothing more than Ron Paul being upfront and honest instead of being sneaky and hoping no one noticed. Hell, who knows how the media would twist that.
Then again, maybe he's been a plant for the last 40 years. If so, then he should receive an academy award because he's bamboozled tens of millions of people.
Maybe I am a rube like others have said but I trust the man. I've been reading his writings since the early 80's. He's walked the walk of his talk as far as I am concerned. When he does things (like this) that I don't understand, then I give him the benefit of the doubt for the simple reason that I think that he truly is a good, decent human being who has the best interests of this country and its people in mind. I'm not a Christian or religious at all but when I think of what a Christian SHOULD be, I think of Ron Paul, as foolish as that may be.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown
Jesus said, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do. Evangelical Fundinuts say, "kill them all who will not bow down to the Zionist Jew." - F.A. Hayek Fan
This primary season was an absolute abomination such as the Soviets could never get away with.
It did have the salubrious effect though of convincing a lot more people that what we have is "Potemkin" Elections - that the facade of one man one vote has ceased to have any substance in reality. FreepTards excepted of course as in their slack jawed, mouth breathing, drooling world anything Faux Nooze or the Mahajunkie says is holy writ that anyone "thinking" - otherwise is a (((((shudder))))) "conspiracy theorist" - and evidence be damned.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
We been so well bamboozled in our lifetimes that it's impossible to know a public man in whom you can invest your trust with absolute certainty, but I have the same feeling about RP.
I really think he has gone as far as a man can go in the name of liberty without being Wellstoned.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Then again, maybe he's been a plant for the last 40 years. If so, then he should receive an academy award because he's bamboozled tens of millions of people.
Very good.
Jethro, two others and myself have been discussing this possibility for quite some time. In fact for years.
#72. To: Original_Intent, ambi, jethro tull, formerlurker (#38)
as i posted to christine this morning before paul's trotsky2 speech.. did ya'll see that Paul had breakfast with bernanke last week and declined to say what was discussed?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
.. did ya'll see that Paul had breakfast with bernanke last week and declined to say what was discussed?
"Wednesday’s visit to the Fed’s Washington headquarters was not the first for Mr. Paul, who has said previously he dined at the central bank with former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker".
yes, I did know about that. I'm curious as to what was discussed now. some sort of threat? who knows. I will be extremely disgusted if Ron endorses Romney. Any bets? I'm going to still say no.
Three grand essentials to happiness in this life are something to do, something to love, and something to hope for.
did ya'll see that Paul had breakfast with bernanke last week and declined to say what was discussed?
Frankly, I don't think he should speak with Bernanke except "very" publicly.
I feel badly for those supporting him though I can't say I blame them too much. It's hard for people not to get excited about someone touting freedom that has a record of championing it. The thing is that he never made an ounce of difference as far as the agenda is/was concerned - he simply kept those intelligent enough to seek a legitimate change by legitimate means in the game for one more fake-ass election cycle.
The fact that he and his campaign advisors "chose" to make this completely unnecessary statement about quitting the primaries almost makes me sick to my stomach because it makes me think the worst about him. Right before the Texas primary, where he may well have kicked Romney's ass - he forfeits.
Bullshit !
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
I will be extremely disgusted if Ron endorses Romney. Any bets? I'm going to still say no.
I'll take that bet. I have a feeling his son's future dedends on it.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
The fact that he and his campaign advisors "chose" to make this completely unnecessary statement about quitting the primaries almost makes me sick to my stomach because it makes me think the worst about him.
This is what simply doesn't wash no matter how one looks at it.
This is what simply doesn't wash no matter how one looks at it.
Thusfar, he's been called a lot of names by a few people --- in the future he'll be called a few names by a lot of people.
If he is in fact a con man - he's a damn good one !
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
The Show this time has more twisty-turnies in it than an Alfred Hitchcock movie.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
The thing is that he never made an ounce of difference as far as the agenda is/was concerned - he simply kept those intelligent enough to seek a legitimate change by legitimate means in the game for one more fake-ass election cycle.
There ya go...
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
#88. To: christine, JT, Lod, Esso, Artisan, F.A. Hayek (#87)
that shocks me too..
Truthfully, it turned my stomach and made me feel kinda sick.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Right before the Texas primary, where he may well have kicked Romney's ass - he forfeits.
that shocks me too..
Lots of delegates in Texas !
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
There's millions of suckers born every election cycle ! (Or something like that).
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
Go back 100 years to 1912 and Rep. Charles Lindbergh.
Attempts were made on his life and he was run out of politics by the New York times.
Then 1920s/30s Rep Louis McFadden, shot at, poisoned and poison on second attempt got him.
Then 1930s/40s, Charles Lindbergh, son murdered.
What did they all have in common? Very vocal about the bankers and Federal Reserve.
Then Ron Paul current, re elected twelve times as a republican without any opposition.
Hard to ignore the facts.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
His epitaph: "I tried to tell them I was a Republican"
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
I recall the Trotski memo four years ago, the majority of the faithful denied reality.
Paul wants to keep as many supporters as possible to be used for leverage at the convention. Too many abandon ship and Ron will be all alone at Tampa. He is not dumb.
I agree, that is why he has not suspended anything... The media has reported one thing and folks were quick to believe a lying ass media that they consistently rag on everyday.
Leverage meh
I support the occupation Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.
"Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. ........Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have........
Like the Trotski memo, people need to take Paul at his word.
Paul has moved on, his supporters also need to do the same.
He's not throwing in the towel! He will not be advertising in primary states.
Dear Abraxas,
As I reflect on our 2012 Presidential campaign, I am humbled by the supporters who have worked so hard and sacrificed so much. And I am so proud of what we have accomplished. We will not stop until we have restored what once made America the greatest country in human history.
This campaign fought hard and won electoral success that the talking heads and pundits never thought possible. But, this campaign is also about more than just the 2012 election. It has been part of a quest I began 40 years ago and that so many have joined. It is about the campaign for Liberty, which has taken a tremendous leap forward in this election and will continue to grow stronger in the future until we finally win.
Our campaign will continue to work in the state convention process. We will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future.
Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.
I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved - become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.
For Liberty,
Ron Paul
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
...Had he simply kept his yap shut he certainly would have garnered more delegates then he will now. I smell the stench of politics. I wish I felt differently.
Strategically, it makes no sense to me either.
He didn't need to spend any $$$ here; the pubbies were so frightened that they cancelled their convention this year rather than have us take it over.
So it's all a puzzlement to me...
Break the Conventions - Keep the Commandments - G.K.Chesterson
Ron Paul has always exhibited a unique blend of both idealism and practicality. He's always had his feet planted on planet earth. His decisions in how to campaign have always been based on what's possible and realistic, and not according to what people like us want to see. I see today's announcement to be no different. He is not quiting the race, but when funding is out, battlefield decisions need to be made.
The flack he catches sometimes is only because he can't walk on water. It's as though all he has done in his adult life is nothing compared to what us armchair warriors have done.
You got suckered by Drudge, the MSM and the idiot at the Ron Paul campaign that sent out that letter. Ron Paul has not quit the race!
The cynics say it's over and the optimists are claiming the brilliant strategy will gain RP delegates ...
Side note: Ron Paul signed those letters to supporters, so it wasn't just an idiot at campaign headquarters that sent out the letters.
"The few who understand the [FEDERAL RESERVE] system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests."
The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
Like the Trotski memo, people need to take Paul at his word.
Paul has moved on, his supporters also need to do the same.
How? Push him into place? aAnd WHat the fuck is he gonna do with the delegate portion he has.... does he really have enough.... I read that they will still be working to get delegates in those states....
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Cyni
I feel you. I do. I felt the same way. I still do. Not one good rat on rat hill. I spoke with passion about it in 08... Fuck ron paul. Well maybe not that far...
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So cyni, lod, Christine, All... This has happened. I had hoped for more myself and it is not the direct end yet but it is the death knell. With the electronic voting I can understand why... it's the only thing that keeps Perry in power...
For any of you international non texans , we used to have paper ballots then we got caught up in the Evote fad...Perry has been in power longer than bush... despite protests, guffaws, the fire bomb incident...we hate him but as long as we have electronic voting machines he'll be our governor..that manipulation power extends to presidential tallies... Orders given, paul votes nulified....
We voted today....on screens. Our votes did not count for squat.
So moving on... lots of organisation has been built. No need to let it goto waste. Paul moves on to Tampa. THe organization moves on to Tampa. Rouge elements of the organization sniper bernake and uh I mean... Attend the convention and make some noise.....
Political change must happen... MUST AND WILL regardless of Paul... I hopped he would give it his all until he won...or lost.. but his all ; all the way to the end. Now were hedging bets. I look forward to tampa and the revolution beyond.
I support the occupation Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.
He didn't need to spend any $$$ here; the pubbies were so frightened that they cancelled their convention this year rather than have us take it over.
So it's all a puzzlement to me...
HIs base is in texas..... but we know texas...the machines.. I think he knows too... I hope he has done all he can and that we are just waiting to see whats up in Tampa....He'll be there... I pray for a mega super bang when I watch.
I support the occupation Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.
In 2008 after the Trotski memo, many supporters continued to cling to hope, that what Paul said was not real. It was very real, he dumped us in mid stream.
Many of his supporters could not vote for McKook, so Obongo became president. Will this happen once again?
When the Pied Piper stops playing, the parade is over.
as i posted to christine this morning before paul's trotsky2 speech.. did ya'll see that Paul had breakfast with bernanke last week and declined to say what was discussed?
I missed that but it is an interesting data point.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
#117. To: noone222, Artisan, christine, abraxas, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, farmfriend, CadetD, all (#78)
The fact that he and his campaign advisors "chose" to make this completely unnecessary statement about quitting the primaries almost makes me sick to my stomach because it makes me think the worst about him. Right before the Texas primary, where he may well have kicked Romney's ass - he forfeits.
Bullshit !
You got me to thinking (I know its dangerous) but coming just before the TX primary struck a chord and "the little gray cells" began percolating. Think about all of the hullabaloo made by the RP supporters over RNC (and state level) shenanigans in trying to rig the nomination in favor of Oromney which have become prominent in the last week or two. They were exposing the belly of the beast. If the same pattern continued much longer the RNC would be overthrown. Not good from the point of view of the Bankster Controllers as their control mechanisms, at this point, still require keeping the sheeple ignorant of the true state of affairs. The more I think about it the more I wonder if that was not the motive behind the preemptive capitulation. I can't prove but from the circumstances it does fit.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
I will not vote for either under any forseeable circumstance. The Constipation Party and the LP have been neutered so there is no viable third party that stands the chance of the proverbial snowball in hell.
The "system" wins once again.
Yes and no. Yes their "boy" will be Preznit but it will not be a clean win. There are more and more people who are stirred up and seeing how the game is rigged. I do not yet know what effect that will have, but there is a Joker in the deck.
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Baring unforeseen circumstances, RAND PAUL STANDS TO BE THE WINNER.
I saw that hand writing... I just don't know as much about him as his old libertarian daddy... And make no mistake man, he is libertarian... for better or worse at times. Rand is an odd duck to me... political families... His son is now in politics... makes him much more of a political man than before.. then again.. poor nobles do exist. Black nights aren't always the most vile.
I support the occupation Fuck it if it kills me. Liberty before death.
