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Title: Penn State Students Bear Brunt of NCAA Sanctions for Sandusky Cover-Up as Trustees Emerge Unscathed
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URL Source: http://www.democracynow.org/2012/7/ ... n_state_students_bear_brunt_of
Published: Jul 26, 2012
Author: Amy Goodman & Juan González
Post Date: 2012-07-26 19:48:43 by Jethro Tull
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Penn State Students Bear Brunt of NCAA Sanctions for Sandusky Cover-Up as Trustees Emerge Unscathed

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The governing body of U.S. college sports Monday announced a series of unprecedented sanctions against Penn State University following an independent investigation into the widespread cover-up of child sexual abuse by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky. The NCAA leveled penalties including a fine of $60 million, a reduction of student-athlete scholarships, and a vacating of all wins of the Penn State football team from 1998 to 2011. We’re joined by Dave Zirin, sports columnist for The Nation magazine and host of Edge of Sports Radio. Zirin says the sanctions will punish Penn State students while sparing top officials, including Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett, who has drawn criticism for his handling of the Sandusky investigation while serving as the state’s attorney general and preparing for a gubernatorial run. "We’re attacking 18-year-old scholarship athletes and making them pay the price, when people in power have not really had to be affected or afflicted by the horrible crimes that took place in Happy Valley," Zirin says. "I do not trust the NCAA to be [the] adjudicating body, for the simple reason that their very existence ensures more cover-ups and more scandals in the future." [includes rush transcript]

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-26   20:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-26   20:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

Also, I have to think that there are more criminal charges coming, ... no?

This cannot possibly be the end of it?!

I should hope, but I have NO HOPE that anyone charged will bring this crime to the proper government levels. That said, the spotlight is sloooooly beginning to turn to the Board, and from there I pray to our esteemed Governor & the 2nd Mile crew (all of whom were ignored by Louie the Free)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-26   20:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-26   20:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull, All (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-26   21:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull (#4)

I share your lack of hope.

Fuck that, Grab a rock and make your own justice.

WE all might understand that the Leopigs will only watch their own so that means us citizens must pull up the slack they drag and insist upon justice. Hope not necessary, just perseverance.

____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rouge nation....our rouge nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action.

titorite  posted on  2012-07-26   22:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: titorite, Jethro Tull (#6)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   8:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

I'm just getting tired of all of these articles talking about how screwed the "fans and students and community" are.

Amen and Amen.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   8:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   8:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#8) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   8:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#8)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   9:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton, Cynicom (#5)

BTW, where are all the vigils for those poor boys, most of which are now men, and their families?

The symbolism of the candle marches have come and gone, and not a public statement begins w/o an acknowledgement about the true victims of Sandusky, and my argument isn’t about football per se (anyone with a lick of sense knows those current kids were watching Sesame Street when these crimes occurred), rather it’s about the creation of a new set of crime victims to this cover up. If people can justify innocent people damaged by this as collateral damage it speaks volumes to who they are. The remaining criminals, unmentioned by the Freeh report, were either directly complicit or chose to be silent over the course of a decade and today still remain seated among the powerful and elite. If any group of people should inherently distrust a collaboration between a Governor and Louie Freeh, it should be members of this 4um.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   9:55:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

And BTW, what is the solution for those kids?

Every man for himself.

They are few in number.

People should be more interested in the identity of those that knew or participated and are being given a pass.

Concern for the abused young boys is given only lip service.

College football is a BUSINESS, hang all of those involved not just two or three.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   9:56:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Freeh and company will make a big smoke cloud in hanging two or three, justice will be touted as having done its job.

That is unadulterated bullshit.

There is but ONE OBJECTIVE in this charade of law and justice. Sacrifice two or three with public hanging, protect the many who knew of and or participated in this shameful affair.

Paterno CHEATED THE HANGMAN.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   10:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   10:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#13)

College football is a BUSINESS, hang all of those involved not just two or three.

Pedophilia is a BUSINESS, and those involved here have only shuffled the chairs on the Titanic by this cooked up deflection. The Captain and his handmaidens STILL remain seated on their ruffled chairs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   10:07:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#13)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   10:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

The Captain and his handmaidens STILL remain seated on their ruffled chairs.

And the band plays on.

Freeh is up front doing his magician tricks to fool and entertain the rubes.

Idolatry is stupid, ignorant and shameful in this case.

The untold numbers of little boys were just a throwaway of society anyway, who gives a damn about them.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   10:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Eric Stratton (#17)

I would feel filthy sitting in that stadium this season watching games, morally filthy!

I hope that there's enough good people left to boycott the games and not go

Excellent...

Female members/alumnus of my family all mourn for Joe, the poor players and students. Male members say hang the bastards, all of them and if current students and jocks cannot handle it go somewhere else, get the hell away from that cancer.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   10:20:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#15)

No statement, regardless of how it’s worded; no car magnet, regardless of its color of slogan, hasn't been either said or thought of. How lovely this world would be if words and gestures could penetrate through the thickness of evil, eh? Again, what this town has been left with since the Sandusky conviction, the death of Paterno, and now the NCAA sanctions, is a town that has been given the “death penalty” and a band of remaining perpetrators who are gleefully celebrating their biggest “victory” thanks to the complete dumbing down of a vast majority of the AmeriKan populace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   10:23:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#18)

The untold numbers of little boys were just a throwaway of society anyway, who gives a damn about them.

Well then it's time to get off our asses and do something, no?

There are currently three law suits in progress, each of which has as it's mandate a *COMPLETE* INVESTIGATION of those who are the remaining principles of these crimes. We are meeting on 9/14, en masse, in front of the Old Main building. I have offered to come and pick you up and drive you to different functions previously. You have refused them all. Once again, if you are as concerned as I am about exposing all of this, I'll gladly pick you up and drive you here. You're more than welcome to stay at my home overnight. The choice is yours.

PS: And don't give me that olde shit. You'll out live us all :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   10:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Esso, Jethro Tull, Christine, Phant2000, randge, assorted Rubes (#20)

Spanier...

""For the next several months, as I transition to my post-presidential plans, I will be working on a special project for the US government relating [to] national security," Spanier wrote in an email to the Harrisburg Patriot-News.

"This builds on my prior positions working with federal agencies to foster improved cooperation between our nation's national security agencies and other entities."

This SOB has a top secret clearance to boot.

His bio is thin gruel, paper hanger first class.

"Spanier was born in South Africa and grew up near Chicago[4] in the suburb of Highland Park where he graduated from high school. A family sociologist, demographer, and marriage and family therapist, he earned his bachelor's and master's degrees from Iowa State University, who honored him with the Distinguished Achievement Citation and an honorary doctorate. Then a Ph.D. in sociology from Northwestern University, where he was a Woodrow Wilson Fellow".

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   10:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

PS: And don't give me that olde shit. You'll out live us all :)

Did my days in the political trenches long ago.

Well aware of political inertia that exists in most Americans.

Well aware of the olde adage, "let Jethro do it", I am too busy, dont know how, dont want to be involved, too busy, on and on heard it all.

Heard it all way back when you were in diapers Jethro, it is fruitless trying to energize the general populace, it wont work.

Most people have terminal inertia, too damned comfortable. Activism and agitation are rarely used by the masses.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   10:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#23)

I am too busy

10-4, message received and understood.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   11:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   11:32:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom, Esso, Jethro Tull, Christine, Phant2000, randge, assorted Rubes (#22)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   11:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Eric Stratton (#25)

don't the reporters/writers blathering on about how these ramifications are wrong, w/o mentioning any of the worst stuff, including the boys, simply add to that?

What the media doesn't do no longer surprises me, nor does a commissioned $6.5 million dollar report, cobbled together by politicians, for politicians for the purposes of political cover.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   11:56:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, all (#25)

And to my points, don't the reporters/writers blathering on about how these ramifications are wrong, w/o mentioning any of the worst stuff, including the boys, simply add to that?

there are numerous articles and comments that have been written about the boys. what else can be done for restitution other than give them money. there's no emotional healing just like any other victim of physical or mental abuse or even murder. no amount of money can make up for their loss.

however, i liken the damage to the community like that of the gulf oil disaster. that was a crime too (i know, not sexual) but it is the same scenario in terms of devastation to an entire city.

christine  posted on  2012-07-27   12:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   12:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine, All (#28)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   12:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Eric Stratton (#30)

There is no comparison and the community shares in the blame for allowing this situation to exist.

To date an unknown number of men committed a crime and covered it up. The cover up continues, much to the outrage of the community. Your attempt to blame myself and my family, since we are members of this community, for a crime we weren't aware of is sad.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   13:03:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

When it comes to college football, the President of the university along with the V.P. and their top official staff, are fully aware of what goes on concerning pedo cases like this as well as prostitution. I actually knew of university officials at a school who were pimping out students. And the university cops were fully aware of it too. Some of those cops had enough sense to resign while others were given gifts and money to pay mortgages for their homes.

The usual stereotype of a street pusher on the street making money exploiting male and females to turn tricks for johns and janes is jaded thinking these days. A pimp/pedophile can be anybody from a highly respected member of the community to a 19 y.o. member of the established entertainment industry.

purplerose  posted on  2012-07-27   14:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: purplerose (#32) (Edited)

I agree, and I'd also add the Board of Trustees to the mix you named. Furthermore, in this matter, it reached into the 2nd Mile, which fed the current Governor more than $640k in campaign contributions. I honestly think the truth will come out, if for no other reason than the incompetent Louie Freeh is the author of the report that is the sole basis of the economic sanctions this town now is under.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   14:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull, All (#31) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   14:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose (#33)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Eric Stratton (#34)

My point is that the community at large, not down to individuals, cannot possibly be granted impunity. Again, as a community.

No one can convince me that there are not business people within that community that had they actually known about any of it, knowing that it would hinder their business, and therefore their supply of wealth, that at least some of them would turn their heads the other way. To think otherwise would be naive, you know that.

Every point of argument you floated regarding this, be it that the students wouldn’t be impacted or that the small business wouldn’t suffer was refuted. Now, you’ve arrived at the position that the community deserves this economic punishment. How very despicable considering we know each other over lunch x 2 and me having made a solid effort to get your product into this community SO THAT IT COULD BE SOLD TO THE VERY PEOPLE YOU NOW REVILE.

Ah, sweet irony.

Just as Obama, through his naked Marxism, vowed to fundamentally change America, likewise, you too, via your extreme religiosity, desire to change the behavior of Americans. Sports bars on Saturday and Sunday are bad, however *approved* churches, with approved versions of the Bible are good. Please, spare me your faux morality. What’s left of free, critically thinking Americans would view both views, yours and Obama’s, as rabidly authoritative and brush them aside like a pesky mosquito.

Excessively religious people truly give me the creeps….

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   15:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Eric Stratton (#35)

What I'm outright suggesting, and really contradicting, is christine's viewpoint that the community, students, athletes, etc. had nothing to do with this. Sure they did unless they were entirely uninvolved in making "Ped State football" as huge as it obviously was.

Get it?

Take that up with christine. I have no idea if she has the patience to re-post her material to you, but I suggest that you ask.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   15:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

Definitely the Board of Trustees!

I don't trust Louie Freeh at all. Putting him in charge of this investigation is like putting the fox in charge to guard the chickenhouse. His coverup of the Waco massacre in 1993, was more than what I could stomach. I even wrote to him personally letting him know as well as Janet Reno of the DOJ that I could smell the foul reek coming from their offices!

purplerose  posted on  2012-07-27   15:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:50:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#37) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   15:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: purplerose (#38)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   16:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Eric Stratton (#39)

And BTW, never have I said that I would enjoy it if local businesses up there went under or anything like that. To the contrary, I think that most will do just fine w/o PSU football interests,

Your opinions aren't based in economic reality. There is one road into SC and one road out. Much of the economy is based on 7-8 home games a year, and to suggest their losses will be minimal is as factual as the Freeh report. Think of this as a resort town, with Fall football being it’s Christmas season. If it’s diminished by x% it very well could be a deal buster for some and to think these sanctions won’t do just that is to be ignorant of our situation. But don’t take my word for it. This comes from the chamber of commerce, courtesy of the local news.

Perhaps the following will light a bulb. PSU is normally in an end of season bowl game. We are known to “travel well.” How big of an impact will the economic sanctions have on the various travel agents who book these trips? Easy answer, no? Will it put them out of business since it’s a 4-year ban? I’m betting at least some will go under.

BTW, when did you arrive at your decision to withhold your product from the rubes of State College? It sure wasn’t after the Sandusky matter became news worthy. Even after that you were eager to break into the area, so please, let's get real, OK?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   16:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Eric Stratton (#40)

Ball's in her court here.

Correction, the 4um is in her court and she more than capably supplied you with material that buttresses her contention, but again, talk to her directly rather than through me.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   16:39:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: purplerose (#38)

www.ps4rs.org/docs/press-release_07-26-12.pdf

You have Freeh 100% right, purplerose.

Take a look at this.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   16:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#43)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   16:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Eric Stratton, Jethro Tull, christine (#47)

Well, I gave up TV years ago, gave up on "professional sports" afore that.

Eight foot black kids ruined competitive basketball, three hundred pound linemen ruined football, steroids and spics put the finish to baseball.

There aint no "sport" left for fans.

Cynicom  posted on  2012-07-27   17:28:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull, purplerose (#45)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Eric Stratton (#46)

Let's just say that the corollary to all of this is to ignore the core problem, namely a program that was simply too big to be of any moral good apart from having "Mother Teresa" as its chief administrator, and in an industry whereby it is pervasive.

The core of the problem is as old as Cain and Able. A crime was committed, covered up, and the conspirators are as yet unidentified. And worse, besides from us here in the PSU community and some with open minds, no one seems to give a siht. Not surprisingly, the dim-bulbs among us can't see this ruse for what it is. Raw political power paid a King’s ransom to commission a report from, whom we all know, is a liar and a stone cold killer (see WACO). This wasn't a football matter as no players were involved. Put a period on that and end the sentence. It does appear Paterno as HC was involved to a degree, but given his demise we’ll never know the degree. Besides, since when does the NCAA step into crimes committed by head coaches? Please don't ask me to Google the number of times the NCAA didn't step into these matters previously. As far as your contention that business (PSU football in this case) was too large for your liking, well, WhoTF are you to determine just how large business should be? If your private business took off tomorrow and reached seven figures overnight, you'd get a congratulations note from me and not an admonishment as to how much it should grow. In short, success in business shouldn't be punished if criminality creeps into it and is held, conspiratorially, among a core group. As I told you privately in PM a week ago, the problem in State College isn’t that the Freeh report will help correct the problems that are here, rather it’s that it wasn't an investigation, but rather a report, and it simply didn't go far enough for my taste.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   17:34:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom, christine, Jethro Tull (#48)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Jethro Tull, All (#50) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   17:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Eric Stratton (#41)

Shit, Ithaca, NY, where Cornell is, is thriving, and they have no sports even worthy of note nor is the school nearly as big as PSU. It's not much smaller than East Shitsville.

Cornel is Ivy league, Penn State isn't. I live right next to Princeton and often me and wifey go for sunset walks in town. The students have lots of disposable scheckels. That matters a lot.

Also, business has not been built to meet a demand level that will no longer exist.

"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2012-07-27   18:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   18:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Dead Culture Watch (#53)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   18:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Then to my points, perhaps it's time that State College not have its entire livelihood depend upon a single sport at a single school.

Eric, the fucking airport here is capable of handle prop planes. Thanks for the economic growth tips but again, they're absurd.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   20:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Eric Stratton (#52)

Kids were pimped out, young boys, to adult men, for use as sexual play toys for their perverted (massively understated) wilings, against their will, TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM!!!!!!!!! by a Penn State Football Coach, and later an emeritus w/ full blessings as such from the univerity, from the same people that deliberately "looked the other way" in order not to hinder their precious FOOTBALL program,

BULL SHIT!

Substantiate your claim that the cover-up was used to benefit the football program.

Could it be possible be that the cover-up it was used to benefit grant money?

Maybe to keep the influx of students coming to PSU?

Perhaps for endowments?

Maybe to cover up a larger pedophilia ring that rises up to the level of the Governor?

Have you considered the University physical property expansion that has occurred under Spanier’s watch, it’s been enormous?

Or might some people simply have pocketed the money thanks to faulty book keeping?

You have absolutely no proof that it was used to benefit the football program, and this conclusion of yours is shared with the Butcher of Waco, Louie Freeh.

Welcome to bad company my friend.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   20:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Eric, let me ask you a direct question.

Now that Penn State football has been reduced to Pop Warner league level, do you consider the pedophilia problem we face is over?

A simple yes or no answer is all I want given your verbosity.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   20:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Eric Stratton (#49) (Edited)

i don't know why you think i haven't answered your questions. i have made numerous comments and posted articles explaining why i believe that the students, athletes, families, local businesses, the university's entire staff otherwise have been harmed and the victim's, imo, of a statewide network of criminals.

you know JT and you know that he has two daughters who are PSU graduates as well as a son-in-law who is a Letterman. you admit that you didn't mean to include him a/o his family. well, if that's the case, then you must also admit that there are thousands and thousands of JTs in State College as well the entire state of PA who are affected by this and, yes, are victims too. to blame a whole community or to broadbrush to the degree you are is ridiculous, IMO.

and what about JT's 7 year old grandson who is a budding football talent? should they not encourage and support him because it's football? that's absurd.

your net of blame is cast far, far too wide, imo.

christine  posted on  2012-07-27   21:32:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#57)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Jethro Tull (#56)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Eric Stratton (#60)

This is Kevin Michael McKenna and he's my g'son.

He's 7-years old and he lives in State College.

He's 5'0", goes 100 pounds and he's the kid who looks like he knows what he's doing on the line.

Your definition of community included myself, my wife, Kevin, and his parents.

You couldn't have gotten things more wrong if you tried.

Shame on you.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   22:18:02 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: christine (#59)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:26:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#63)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:28:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-27   22:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton (#67)

You aren't the victim, we who did nothing are.

I hope u don't pull the plug.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-27   22:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Eric Stratton (#55)

Then to my points, perhaps it's time that State College not have its entire livelihood depend upon a single sport at a single school.

You do realize, that if there's an economy at State College by next summer, all of these insinuations are going to have sounded ridiculous, don't you?

Either way, I'm giving up trying to convince those of you that want to support PSU in this way to think otherwise.

Dude. You can say I insinuate anything you wish. All I said was you were comparing apples and oranges. You seem wound pretty tight, chill a little.....8)

"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2012-07-27   23:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull (#68)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   7:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Dead Culture Watch (#69) (Edited)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   7:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Eric Stratton (#70)

The victims are the boys that were abused and sold to adult men, likely scared out of their lives (among a gamut of other emotions), so that those pigs could engage in the most perverted sexual behaviors known to man w/o killing and death involved. Plain and simple.

I agree completely. My problem with the Freeh report is that it took the dumbed down sheeple down the wrong path, away from the elite and toward a football team which violated no NCAA sanctions. The team, the community, of which I and my family are part, are living this in real time. We know that the remaining criminals are still free to do as they please, so pardon my vested interest. I'm not going to rest until the entire saga is visible and all of the criminals are caged like the rats they are. Please feel free to join me in uncovering the ENTIRE crime. We do need help.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-28   10:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#72)

The team, the community, of which I and my family are part, are living this in real time. We know that the remaining criminals are still free to do as they please, so pardon my vested interest. I'm not going to rest until the entire saga is visible and all of the criminals are caged like the rats they are. Please feel free to join me in uncovering the ENTIRE crime. We do need help.

Wow, I havent really followed this story at all but it sounds pretty ugly. it does make sense that the criminals in charge of the investigation would derail it to the wrong path, to protect their cronies.

as with any institution, parents just need to watch their kids. i dont think its ever a good idea for parents to blindly trust their minors spending time unsupervised with some adult alone.- wheter it be a church, a club, a team, or whatever.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-07-28   10:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Artisan (#73)

It's a Governor Corbett, Louie Freeh whitewash, Artisan. The problem is the haters already have their minds set but despite that, we have to carry on and work toward exposing everyone involved.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2012-07-28   10:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Jethro Tull (#74)

how do you do that? given the fact, for example of the franklin coverup where they hired a conservative republican senator john decamp to investigate the banking scandal and when he found the pedo ring, they ignored his findings.

and another- when the news reported underage male hookers touring the bush reagan white house. barbara bush even responded to the washington times after the initial story broke. she said she didnt think it was a big deal. that was actually in the paper. i need to find the original version of that again.

then you have the jeff gannon deal, where bush was letting this fag hooker into the white house regularly., even tho he was using a fake name. it was dismissed and brushed aside.

and lastly, when cynthia mckinney questioned rumself on the child sex slaves traded by military contractors,. she grilled him but it was brushed aside and never addressed.

I'm not suggesting not to expose them or discouraging an attempt. It just seems that the pervert USA likes this sort of thing and it is never rooted out. , no matter the evidence and proof.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2012-07-28   11:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Jethro Tull, All (#72)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   12:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#74)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2012-07-28   12:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Jethro Tull (#45)

That pretty much sums it up from that report. Thanks, Jethro Tull.

purplerose  posted on  2012-07-28   22:03:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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