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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Views: 7554
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.
It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.
The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”
One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.
Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.
Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.
Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.
Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.
I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did.
A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.
The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)
You may have just insulted everyone that
might read your post, except that very rare
reader, like yourself, that already knows
instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.
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wakeup posted on 2012-07-30 12:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Turtle (#0)
It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.

You're full of it. Have you ever bothered looking into the MKULTRA congressional hearings. and the myraid number of sources which document their work? The US wasn't the only nation on this planet working on such things either.
Have you ever once poked your head out of your shell long enough to see the light of day?
Now I understand your reasons for using the handle "turtle".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-30 12:23:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Turtle (#0)
Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.

Murder certainly can be about revenge, it is one of three possibilities. The others are sex and greed. At least that is what Joe Kendra said. There is a fourth possibility, could be a psychopath that just wants to see what it feels like to kill someone. But revenge certainly is not the only reason people kill other people.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-07-30 12:26:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Turtle (#0)
Whenever something that a turtle brain can not understand is discussed, it assumes that it must be nonsense. Turtles can't help it, they just don't have the critical thinking skills to analyze evidence and reach conclusions.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-07-30 12:33:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Turtle (#0)
Certainly shooting up a crowded movie theater is not the product of a well- balanced mind, but I doubt the shooter would qualify for acquittal by reason of mental defect. He knew what he was doing was wrong, he clearly spent a good deal of time preparing, including booby-trapping his home (an indication that he did not expect to be able to return home and a further indication of his awareness that he was doing wrong), etc. So far in court this guy looks like he's been stunned; either getting on or coming off meds.

Shoonra posted on 2012-07-30 12:51:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)
Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.

The V-Tech massacre - A real-life Manchurian Candidate
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=6409

Was Mind Control involved in Colorado Battman shooting?
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=53117

which arm of the govt. or what other military-industrial corporation do you really work for?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2012-07-30 13:00:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)
The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds.

God is the biggest Conspiracist "Crackpot" of all....
"Psalm 2 -- The Heathen Rage
Pastor David L. Brown, Ph.D.
Sermon Delivered 2/16/03
Overview
The Geneva Bible notes give a succinct overview of this Psalm 2. It reveals "the conspiracy of the Gentiles, the murmuring of the Jews and power of kings cannot prevail against Christ." Clearly the focus of this Psalm is rebellion against God and the Messiah. ......."

"....The first three verses describe the hatred the unsaved human race has for God and Christ the Savior. Let’s read the passage –
Psalms 2:1-3 "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."
The first three verses focus on the rebellion the non-Jewish nations, the Jews and world leaders of all the nations against God and His Son, the Messiah-Savior. Here’s why I say that. First, let’s look at the word heathen. The Hebrew word is ywg gowy (go’-ee;1471) which means the nations, usually non-Hebrew peoples. Next we look at the word people. This is the Hebrew word Mal leom (leh-ome’; 03816) which means people or nation, and as Gill says, "the people" are the people of Israel, who were once God’s peculiar people, and who were distinguished by him with distinctive blessings above all other nations. Finally, we come to the phrase the kings of the earth. This is a reference to the leaders of nations, whether Gentile or Jew.
What are these nations doing? They are raging. The Hebrew word is vgr ragash (raw-gash’; 7283), which means to cause a commotion, or to riot, coupled with the idea of conspiring together in rebellion against someone or something. Simply stated, the nations collectively and openly are revolting against the LORD.
Now, let’s see what the people (Jews) are doing. "The people imagine a vain thing." Imagine, means to devise a plan in your mind. That’s exactly what the Hebrew word hgh hagah (daw-gaw’; 01897) means, to devise plot or plan. However, God characterizes this scheming as vain (futile, useless). Further, the political leaders (kings and rulers) set themselves, that is stand up against and conspire together, take counsel together against God and Jesus Christ. And what is their plot? That is clarified in verse 3 – "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."
What does that mean? The word bands means fetters or restraints. The word cords means ropes. Now, put that in the context. The political leaders refuse to acknowledge the authority of God and Christ over them. They rebel against them. They plot to destroy the mandates of God and revolt against the decrees of the most High! They will not acknowledge their rightful sovereign, the King of kings and the Lord of lords. They are resolved to riot as lawless and aweless against the Omnipotent God and His Christ.
This mad resolution to revolt against God is one in which man has persevered ever since his creation, and he continues in it to this day.
Before we move on, let me answer the question posed in verse 1, "Why do the heathen rage?" They rage, they rebel, they revolt because they balk at Christ ruling over them.
The best example of this given to us in Acts 4:25-28 "Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together…"
Israel, the nations, kings and peoples are still rebelling against the Lord and his rules today. Christians are being persecuted and killed in many nations today. Our own nation is rebelling against many God laws and ordinances. What I am saying is this. The world is still rebelling agains Godt and his Messiah. ..."

Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun
Correction...believing in very real conspiracies is just too much fun....the LORD WILL LAUGH AT THEM....
Finally, a Baptist minister who seems to "get it":
www.firstbaptistchurchoc.org/Sermons_03/heathen.htm
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2012-07-30 13:15:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: FormerLurker (#2) (Edited)
MKULTRA

I know all about it. It was closed down decades ago because it failed completely.
All attempts at brainwashing have failed completely. The government has tried everything - electroshock, LSD, lobotomies, sensory deprivation. None of it has ever worked.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-30 13:17:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Turtle (#0)
Conspiracist Crackpots

Apparently one of your FAVES, Vox Day, disagrees and thinks it may have been a false flag operation.
voxday.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-crisis-wasted.html

Lysander_Spooner posted on 2012-07-30 14:01:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Turtle (#8)
I know all about it. It was closed down decades ago because it failed completely.

Wrong. It was SUPPOSEDLY shutdown because it was ILLEGAL. From what I've read, it most certainly has NOT been shutdown, although it may operate under different name(s).
This sort of "research" started with the Nazis, many of whom were brought into this country via Operation Paperclip. Some went to the USSR, and some came here. So we are talking about 70 years or so of "research" in this field.
I'm sure they have improved their techniques since the Church Hearings. We can find examples of it all around, most notably on television, along with the fact they spike the water supplies with fluoride, used by the Nazis to subdue concentration camp inmates.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-30 14:03:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.

Shoonra posted on 2012-07-30 18:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Turtle (#0)
If "they" hadn't tried it on me, I too would still be a non believer.
Who exactly is "they?," I'll probably never know.

sizzlerguy posted on 2012-07-30 19:12:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: FormerLurker (#2)
Now I understand your reasons for using the handle "turtle".

Should be - TURD - L
"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."
Thoreau
noone222 posted on 2012-07-30 19:34:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Shoonra (#11)
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.

A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-30 19:55:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Turtle, Shoonra, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#14)
I'm sure there are drugs which can cause schizophrenic delusions, based upon LSD, scopolimine, mescaline, etc., or some powerful new drug which just happened to be laying around at the neuroscience center where Holmes did his research.
Somebody may have been coaching him, exploiting his fondness of the "Joker" character, if he ever really WAS that fond of the character. He may have been told it was all just a prank, and he may have just been told to wait in the car while the "coach's friends" did the deed.
In a seriously drugged up schizophrenic state, he may have actually believed it, till he realized it wasn't a joke.
The multiple shooter reports, along with the maze of boobytraps he had no expertise in, along with his hit/miss ratio, indicate he didn't act alone.
There are certainly a lot of unanswered questions in this case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-30 23:04:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Turtle, All (#0)
An eye witness in the theater at the time of the shooting says that the shooter was 5'8" or 5'9". Holmes is tall @ 6'3". Authorities have not yet verified where Holmes got to practice with a gun. He applied for membership at a private gun club but did not follow thru. Holmes' high school and college friends clai he had no interest in shooter games - rather he liked to play Guitar Man. U of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora was a former Army base. Holmes' shrink is a former Army physician. Project MK Ultra was a collaborative effort between the CIA and the Army. Holmes' (adoptive) dad worked for a defense contractor before holding his current position at FICA. Holmes appears to have had a psychotic break down or is experiencing an adult onset of schizophrenia - but was he helped along? Too many loose ends and odd coincidences for my liking. Just putting it out there for your consideration. I am not known to be a conspiracy fan.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=54mXdhgwqMI
"Witness to Dark Knight Shooting Says There Was an Accomplice"

scrapper2 posted on 2012-07-31 2:15:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: wakeup (#1)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

IF conspiracies do not exist in your world what is it called then?

Attempted conspiracy?

VILE ASSHOLES EXIST! THEY ATTEMPT TO COVER UP THEIR ASSHOLERY! THAT IS THE BASE DEFINITION OF CONSPIRACY!
To commit a crime without being caught or punished.
All of our modern day politicians.

Rare, my fucking ass. You are not allowed to be dumb! I forbid it!
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 3:02:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Turtle (#14)
To: Shoonra
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.
A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

Turtle...

You just gave ...

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holy shit
others might over look this. I wont. holy shit....

fuck shoonra
hard to imagine....

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TURTLE DID YOU JUST BECOPME A VIOCTYOME OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

Fyucking say it aint so but I'll have troubel ever Pming ya//// AAARRRGGGGG you think what the fuck?!
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 3:09:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: titorite, Turtle, Shoonra (#18)
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely...
A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

What a couple of dumbasses.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-07-31 3:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: titorite (#17) (Edited)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

Sarcasm.
Of course conspiracies exist.
Have you ever been to our Project site?
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wakeup posted on 2012-07-31 11:26:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: wakeup (#20)
Of course conspiracies exist.

Yes, they do exist.
There are conspiracies in the government and media to pretend that blacks do not rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year, and that they aren't responsible for all gang rapes,and that only whites are racist...do I have to go on with the real conspiracies?
Then there are the non-existent conspiracies....James Holmes was a zombie robot...remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC....three shooters on Kennedy...moon landings on a stage....all fantasies.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 11:33:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: scrapper2 (#16)
hi scrap!
this thing so stinks to high heaven. Holmes did not do this alone. i'm convinced of it.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:43:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Turtle (#21)
and explosives in the WTC....three shooters on Kennedy.

you're so full of it on those. how you can deny the evidence right before your eyes is unbelievable to me. WTC buildings pulverized and falling at nearly free fall speed and then building 7 never having been hit by a plane and falling at free fall speed.
often wrong, but never in doubt. ;)

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:47:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Lysander_Spooner (#9)
uh huh.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:50:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Turtle (#0)
because they are deluded,

and THE all knowing Bob Wallace has proclaimed it thus!!

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:58:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: wudidiz (#19)
What a couple of dumbasses.

agreed.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:59:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: scrapper2 (#16)
As he walked up the aisle shooting, as per the official script, I find it absurd that not one person interrupted him once he was past them.

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-07-31 12:00:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: christine (#23)
you're so full of it

I'm full of brains. And cuteness!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 12:04:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#27)
Why are there no videos of the shooting?
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 12:08:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Turtle (#0)
spoilsport.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 12:13:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: PSUSA2 (#30)
spoilsport.

I know.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 12:19:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Turtle (#31)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork. One doesn't need to be a genius to predict that. Hell, I knew that.
It's fukushima all over again.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 12:22:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.

What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy. I'll bet within ten minutes they were writing articles. Proof? Who need proof? Everything is a conspiracy! Everyone knows that!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 12:28:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: titorite, wakeup (#17)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

lol....got sarcasm?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2012-07-31 12:38:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: PSUSA2, Turtle, Shoonra (#32) (Edited)
Some people use critical thinking skills and never accept a story fraught with conflicting data just because that's what the government told them.
And then there are some people who just swallow whatever simple answer they can snatch out of the air, because it's simple and doesn't show the government to be evil and totally corrupt.
Hell, the investigation is still in progress, they haven't even closed the book on this one yet. Yet folks like you are sugar coating this as a "lone gunman" scenario, because you are either unwilling or unable to think this through in your minds, or because you've been programmed to accept the "simple answer", even though there really isn't one when all known facts are considered.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 13:41:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)
accept the "simple answer"

Amusingly, not one person has commented on Gilligan's rediscovering what causes murder..which was also discovered by Aristotle, Aquinas, St. Augustine, and many other thoughtful people.
It's easier for the robots to pretend everything is a conspiracy.
Not only is the Bible totally correct about the cause of murder, this is what Isiah 8:12 says about the belief in non-existent conspiracies: "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it."
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are enough problems in this world with hallucinating them.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 13:54:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.

It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism.
You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind.
It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures.
MKULTRA did not exist simply to provide spies that could be given secret messages which could not be extracted under torture. It existed to create mind- controlled assassins and soldiers, and to find ways to mass control populations by covert means.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 13:55:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Turtle (#36)
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

If that's true, then why are there laws against it, and why are people in prison for it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 13:56:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Turtle (#36)
How did the American Colonists plan to revolt against the King, if they did not speak of it first?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:00:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Turtle (#36)
Do you even know what a conspiracy IS? It's simply a crime committed by two or more people, plotted ahead of time. So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:03:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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