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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Views: 7811
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.
It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.
The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”
One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.
Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.
Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.
Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.
Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.
I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did.
A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.
The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.
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#41. To: Turtle (#33)
What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy.

That is because people are getting smarter. You should join them.
Turn off that radio next to your computer and start educating yourself for real.
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titorite posted on 2012-07-31 14:08:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: FormerLurker (#40)
So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?

There are conspiracies, i.e., the media pretending that blacks don't rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year.
There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.
There is a difference between what is and what isn't.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:18:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Turtle (#42) (Edited)
There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.

The government DOES have remote controlled planes and has tested them extensively, they're called drones and are used extensively.
As far as the towers, thousands of architects and engineers say those towers, AND Building 7, could NOT have come down WITHOUT explosives. I believe them and my own understanding of physics over your emotional "feelings" that it can't be true.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:26:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: abraxas (#34)
lol....got sarcasm?

that made me lol

christine posted on 2012-07-31 14:26:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Turtle (#42)
There is a difference between what is and what isn't.

Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:27:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Turtle (#42)
Oh, and you apparently can't seem to understand there is a room in between the two extremes known as it COULD be, MIGHT be, or we just don't know.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:29:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 14:30:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: FormerLurker (#45)
Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.

I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC.
Good luck. You'll need it.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:36:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Turtle (#42)
"You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!'
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.
There are conspiracies

In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?
Feeling a bit confused today Turtle?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:37:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Turtle (#48)
I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC

If the "hijackers" are still alive, how did they "fly" those planes?
As far as explosives, can you not understand that an object does not drop at free fall speed if there is resistance to that "fall"?
There, it took me 10 seconds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:39:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)
In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?

Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies."
Affirmative Action is a conspiracy. It means "White Men Need Not Apply."
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:40:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: FormerLurker (#50)
If the "hijackers" are still alive

Cloud Cuckoo land.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:42:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: christine, Turtle, Bob, 4 (#47)
Look, Bob knows that it's all true; Turtle, on the other hand, just tosses stuff out here for chumming-effect to see who rises to the bait.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 14:43:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Turtle (#51)
Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies."

You said conspiracies don't exist, and that it is a sin to say they do. Then you say there ARE some, but only ones that you can personally figure out.
Yet you don't see a problem with that thought flow.
I never said it was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, nor did I say I believe the moon landings were faked, but they COULD have been since you bring it up.
That's the thing about folks who rant and rave that such things JUST CAN'T BE, you put words in the mouths of others which they never said, yet act so self- righteous and holy with your biblical quotes.
Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:46:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Turtle (#52)
If the "hijackers" are still alive

Cloud Cuckoo land.

So when are you going to dye your hair red Turtle?
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well [BBC]
Revealed: the men with stolen identities [UK Telegraph]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:49:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Lod (#53)
Look, Bob knows that it's all true; Turtle, on the other hand, just tosses stuff out here for chumming-effect to see who rises to the bait.

Shut up and quit exposing me!!!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 15:00:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: Turtle (#56)
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Just don't start gnashing, it could disturb Mr.Pug.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 15:11:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: FormerLurker, Turtle (#54)
Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness?

Yes there is, and Turtle remember that lyin' a mortal sin. You will roast in your shell forever and ever and it won't never stop hurting.
Repent now.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken
randge posted on 2012-07-31 15:12:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: All (#57)
pug heaven -

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 15:17:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#47)
oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.

It has nothing to do with the topics you list. It's about Holmes. And what I believe only is important to me.
But, I'll admit that I Dont Know about the topics you list. I wasn't there. And it is not enough to say the .gov story is bullshit. There have been all kinds of wacky conspiracy theories about 9/11, from UFOs to holographic projections to know knows what. Those "explanations" are just as f'd up as the .gov story.
Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!!
Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead?
Remember who it was that posted most of those articles here? Hint: It wasn't me. But I seemed to have aggravated the hell out of the poster by not going along with his program.
If people can generate a panic, thereby making them selves into Internet Big Shots in the process, then they'll do exactly that.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:03:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: FormerLurker (#37)
It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism.

It's not a "polar opposite". That is what is known as "inverted christianity". That's not satanism. That's being an ankle biting little punk.
I'll do a little spoonfeeding here. Here is a short definition of what Satanism is all about: It's about knowing that the answers are not outside yourselves, but within. Don't look to others for answers. You won't find them. Self advancement requires work, not simplistic answers and slogans.
The abrahamic paths require you to look to others for answers and rules, at your own expense. You're expected to "lay up your treasure in heaven", by giving up your treasure RIGHT HERE; by giving up your personal power, RIGHT HERE. So, who do you give these things up to??? Inquiring minds want to know...
If you are on that path, good for you. But I'm not.
You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind.
What does this have to do with Holmes? Was he now "demon" possessed?
It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures.
You need look no further than the 3 abrahamic faiths to see that.
But what does any of this have to do with Holmes? If you have a problem with me and or satanism, no problem. But at least keep from going off on a tangent.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:21:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Turtle, christine (#36)
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

Well then, the govt is looking for a few good men just like you to continue the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
Oh, and The Phoenix Program and Jay Pollard's arrangement with Israel and the murders of foreign heads of state (Congress believes in conspiracies enough to outlaw many of them) and more shots fired than Sirhan's gun could hold and The phony Gulf Of Tonkin incident and the CIA bringing crack to the cities and Mena, Arkansas and Bush defying always accurate exit polls and sweeping heavily Democratic districts where he was despised and voting machines with disappearing software and zero accountability.....
Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....
Oh, it's a big wide world we live in...."
Some folks outgrow their fear of Boogie Perthuns and some sleep with a nightlight. Some folks understood the true nature of the KGB and some convinced themselves that it was patriotic to snitch on their neighbors.
Turtle, I fear that you're a snitch who sleeps with a nightlight. If you believe that incumbents for life, war industrialists and fanatical ideologues leave things to chance in the US, then you are confusing your Pollyanna syndrome with patriotism and all to hide your abject cowardice. There's someone in your life that you cannot face and speak the truth with, and your solution is to mimic a flag waving ostrich.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:22:51 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Conspiracy Realists (#62)

christine posted on 2012-07-31 16:32:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
a flag waving ostrich

Lol. I am sorta new so I don't really know many here, but that had me laughing....
8)
"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2012-07-31 16:35:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: PSUSA2 (#61)
I'll do a little spoonfeeding here. Here is a short definition of what Satanism is all about: It's about knowing that the answers are not outside yourselves, but within. Don't look to others for answers. You won't find them. Self advancement requires work, not simplistic answers and slogans.

You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship.
That's why they call him master.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:38:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....

The State is our enemy and it lies all the time.
However, brainwashing does not exist.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 16:42:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: PSUSA2 (#61)
You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less.
Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist.
My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope. The facts concerning Holmes don't support the supposition that he was the lone shooter, and they point towards the strong possibility he was purposely driven mad by those he trusted.
There ARE those in this world which would do such a thing, and THEY are most likely involved and/or possessed by pure evil, motivated by greed and lust for power.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG (#66)
However, brainwashing does not exist.

And how do you KNOW this to be true Turtle? Your "gut feeling"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:45:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#60)
Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!!
Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead?

You exaggerate for effect without citing sources. Who made the statements?
And, there's this:
April 12, 2012 08:00 AM
Gulf Coast Fishermen: 'Everything is Dead'
The Fukushima disaster is far from over.
Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.
And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for.
And the fact that the only issue of concern to you is govt's plausible deniability is evidence of your 98 lb weakling agenda.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:45:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: FormerLurker (#65)
You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship.

If you accept the xianity definition, then you're right.
But as for me, they're just a little biased. Just a little...
"Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means?
How about the root definition of "worship"? Hint: It doesn't mean groveling.
That's why they call him master.
lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:47:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Turtle (#66)
...brainwashing does not exist.

But, talk radio is a poor source upon which to rely.
And if you "don't know what it is but you do know what it ain't" then how do your views differ from those of ordinary bigots, fanatics, simpletons and stupids of every stripe?

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:51:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)
Welcome!

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:55:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: HOUNDDAWG (#69)
Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.

Yes, let us now sing "god bless america, I bend over for thee". Please rise.
And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for.
A half and half, $200! BJ for $50!
Silly me. I thought the topic was about Holmes. I guess that a person is either all in, and believes every conspiracy, or he folds and worships the state.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:56:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: PSUSA2 (#70)
"Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means?
It is the Judeo/Christian name of the devil. The devil has been described in detail by various cultures, including those outside of the Abrahamic religions.
lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows.
I guess you've never listened to heavy metal much. Not that ALL heavy metal is satanic, but a lot of it is...

Lyrics:
End of passion play 
Crumbling away 
I'm your source of self-destruction 

Veins that pump with fear 
Sucking darkest clear 
Leading on your death's construction 

Taste me you will see 
More is all you need 
Dedicated to 
How I'm killing you 

Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 
Master 

Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 

Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 

Master 
Master 

Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master 

Needlework the way 
Never you betray 
Life of death becoming clearer 

Pain monopoly 
Ritual misery 
Chop your breakfast on a mirror 

Taste me you will see 
More is all you need 
Dedicated to 
How I'm killing you 

Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 
Master 

Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 
[ Lyrics from: 
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/metallica/master+of+puppets_20092140.html ]
 Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 

Master 
Master 

Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master, master, master, master... 

(Bridge) 

(1st solo - James) 

Master, master 
Where's the dreams that I've been after? 

Master, master 
Promised only lies 

Laughter, laughter 
All I hear or see is laughter 

Laughter, laughter 
Laughing at my cries 

FIX ME! 

(2nd solo - Kirk) 

Hell is worth all that 
Natural habitat 
Just a rhyme without a reason 

Never-ending maze 
Drift on numbered days 
Now your life is out of season 

I will occupy 
I will help you die 
I will run through you 
Now I rule you too 

Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 

Master 

Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 

Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 

Master 
Master 

Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:59:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#67)
You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less.

Not just xianity.
Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist.
I dont recall ever claiming that.
Drugs? Some do.
Sex? Sure. that too. For some odd reason, sex is popular. With everyone.
Animal Sacrifice? Ask the kikes about that one.
My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope.
Agreed.
And somehow that conclusion has already been reached in the Holmes case. I see no reason for a trial, now.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 17:06:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: PSUSA2 (#75)
And somehow that conclusion has already been reached in the Holmes case. I see no reason for a trial, now.

I've not seen anything in regards to Holmes not needing a trial. Thing is, there should be a further investigation, and there apparently IS an ongoing investigation. Who knows if they'll follow through with the leads and unanswered questions.
But all known facts indicate it is highly unlikely, or even impossible, for Holmes to have acted alone.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 17:09:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#66)
However, brainwashing does not exist.

History of MK-ULTRA. CIA program on Mind Control

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A declassified CIA document dated 7 Jan 1953 [1] describes the creation of multiple personality in 19-year old girls. "These subjects have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully awake state to a deep H [hypnotic] controlled state ... by telephone, by receiving written matter, or by the use of code, signal, or words and that control of those hypnotized can be passed from one individual to another without great difficulty. It has also been shown by experimentation with these girls that they can act as unwilling couriers for information purposes."
The CIA Mind Control Projects
A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37

327 CIA mind-control victims win cash claims
HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation
Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.
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Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 17:12:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: PSUSA2 (#75)
Animal Sacrifice? Ask the kikes about that one.

The Jews used to do that milennia ago. Thing is, I don't think they tortured little kittens and puppies to death, as I've heard and read about in regards to satanic cults.
As far as sex, I don't think the Jews performed rituals while copulating with young boys and girls, invoking their "master" and his demons.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 17:12:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: Bill D Berger, Turtle (#77)
Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

Maybe Turtle will claim they don't exist.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 17:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#77)
The Manchurian Veterans
They Were Expendable

In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense Charles E. Wilson authorized scientific experimentation on active duty military members in a document now infamously known as the Wilson Memo.
Between 1954 and 1975, more than seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel are thought to have participated in Sidney Gottlieb's mind control program.
Many of these veterans have sought compensation for the physical and psychological damage they suffered at the hands of Gottlieb and his assistants, but to date the government has balked at honoring their claims.In 2001, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen awarded yet another contract to the IOM to locate the Edgewood veterans and other subjects of DoD chemical testing. In a 2003 article published in Military Medicine , the IOM reported that it had conducted a survey of 4,002 Edgewood veterans. But this report focused on subjects of Sarin and other chemical weapon experiments, not specifically on the MK-ULTRA mind control program subjects.
Further confusing the issue was a 2004 Government Accounting Office (GAO) report titled Chemical and Biological Defense: DOD Needs to Continue to Collect and Provide Information on Tests and Potentially Exposed Personnel. The report covered veteran test subjects in a chemical and biological test program known as "Project 112," but also addressed a Department of Defense mandate to investigate all other human test projects conducted since World War II.
The report stated that Army documents identified over seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel who participated in these "other tests" conducted at Edgewood and elsewhere, but didn't specifically break out which of these test veterans were involved in Gottlieb's mind control experiments.
It also said the GAO had concluded that, "the scope and the magnitude of tests involving human subjects was not available, and the exact number of human subjects might never be known." *

Shocking Videos of LSD and MKULTRA Experiments on Citizens
The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, “Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”
Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Thousands of military personal were dosed and experimented upon, and it is believed that many civilians were also used.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 17:14:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Maybe Turtle will claim they don't exist.

I wouldn't be surprised.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 17:15:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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