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Title: James Holmes was a Lunatic, not Brainwashed
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Jul 30, 2012
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2012-07-30 12:00:00 by Turtle
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Views: 7534
Comments: 106

Whenever something bad happens the Conspiracist Crackpots immediately come out of the woodwork and start hallucinating. Holmes was brainwashed. He had a chip in his head. It was a false flag operation.
It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.
The retired psychiatrist James Gilligan spend 35 years dealing with thousands of murderers, trying to find out what they did what they did. Every time what he heard was, “He dissed me [my wife, girlfriend, parents, friends, children] so I killed him.”
One day he realized what he was hearing was the story of Cain and Abel – a story thousands of years old that explained why people murdered other people. Cain murdered Abel because he was rejected, humiliated, insulted, shamed. He blamed it on his brother and murdered him.
Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.
Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.
Holmes had been on a sex site trying to find women, and was rejected by every one of them.
Additionally, he was mentally ill, apparently from schizophrenia. On TV I saw his eyes wandering. That’s a side effect of psychiatric drugs (I don’t call it medication) and one of the main side effects of these drugs is increases in murder/suicide.
I doubt Holmes even remembers what he did.
A schizophrenia on murder/suicide “medication,” a loner/loser rejected by women, who was just kicked out of school…he was sending out red flags all over the place.
The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds. Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun.
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)
You may have just insulted everyone that
might read your post, except that very rare
reader, like yourself, that already knows
instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.
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wakeup posted on 2012-07-30 12:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Turtle (#0)
It’s all bullshit. Brainwashing doesn’t exist, contrary to those with the vapors.

You're full of it. Have you ever bothered looking into the MKULTRA congressional hearings. and the myraid number of sources which document their work? The US wasn't the only nation on this planet working on such things either.
Have you ever once poked your head out of your shell long enough to see the light of day?
Now I understand your reasons for using the handle "turtle".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-30 12:23:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Turtle (#0)
Murder is about the desire for revenge, to replace shame with pride.

Murder certainly can be about revenge, it is one of three possibilities. The others are sex and greed. At least that is what Joe Kendra said. There is a fourth possibility, could be a psychopath that just wants to see what it feels like to kill someone. But revenge certainly is not the only reason people kill other people.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-07-30 12:26:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Turtle (#0)
Whenever something that a turtle brain can not understand is discussed, it assumes that it must be nonsense. Turtles can't help it, they just don't have the critical thinking skills to analyze evidence and reach conclusions.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-07-30 12:33:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Turtle (#0)
Certainly shooting up a crowded movie theater is not the product of a well- balanced mind, but I doubt the shooter would qualify for acquittal by reason of mental defect. He knew what he was doing was wrong, he clearly spent a good deal of time preparing, including booby-trapping his home (an indication that he did not expect to be able to return home and a further indication of his awareness that he was doing wrong), etc. So far in court this guy looks like he's been stunned; either getting on or coming off meds.

Shoonra posted on 2012-07-30 12:51:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)
Holmes was a complete loser with women. He was consistently rejected by them. I doubt he had even kissed a woman, just like the Korean shooter in Virginia who murdered some 30 people.

The V-Tech massacre - A real-life Manchurian Candidate
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/oldsite/article.asp?ID=6409

Was Mind Control involved in Colorado Battman shooting?
www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=53117

which arm of the govt. or what other military-industrial corporation do you really work for?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2012-07-30 13:00:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)
The Conspiracist Crackpots, because they are deluded, can’t see the truth in front of their eyes. Unfortunately, they’ll never change their minds.

God is the biggest Conspiracist "Crackpot" of all....
"Psalm 2 -- The Heathen Rage
Pastor David L. Brown, Ph.D.
Sermon Delivered 2/16/03
Overview
The Geneva Bible notes give a succinct overview of this Psalm 2. It reveals "the conspiracy of the Gentiles, the murmuring of the Jews and power of kings cannot prevail against Christ." Clearly the focus of this Psalm is rebellion against God and the Messiah. ......."

"....The first three verses describe the hatred the unsaved human race has for God and Christ the Savior. Let’s read the passage –
Psalms 2:1-3 "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."
The first three verses focus on the rebellion the non-Jewish nations, the Jews and world leaders of all the nations against God and His Son, the Messiah-Savior. Here’s why I say that. First, let’s look at the word heathen. The Hebrew word is ywg gowy (go’-ee;1471) which means the nations, usually non-Hebrew peoples. Next we look at the word people. This is the Hebrew word Mal leom (leh-ome’; 03816) which means people or nation, and as Gill says, "the people" are the people of Israel, who were once God’s peculiar people, and who were distinguished by him with distinctive blessings above all other nations. Finally, we come to the phrase the kings of the earth. This is a reference to the leaders of nations, whether Gentile or Jew.
What are these nations doing? They are raging. The Hebrew word is vgr ragash (raw-gash’; 7283), which means to cause a commotion, or to riot, coupled with the idea of conspiring together in rebellion against someone or something. Simply stated, the nations collectively and openly are revolting against the LORD.
Now, let’s see what the people (Jews) are doing. "The people imagine a vain thing." Imagine, means to devise a plan in your mind. That’s exactly what the Hebrew word hgh hagah (daw-gaw’; 01897) means, to devise plot or plan. However, God characterizes this scheming as vain (futile, useless). Further, the political leaders (kings and rulers) set themselves, that is stand up against and conspire together, take counsel together against God and Jesus Christ. And what is their plot? That is clarified in verse 3 – "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."
What does that mean? The word bands means fetters or restraints. The word cords means ropes. Now, put that in the context. The political leaders refuse to acknowledge the authority of God and Christ over them. They rebel against them. They plot to destroy the mandates of God and revolt against the decrees of the most High! They will not acknowledge their rightful sovereign, the King of kings and the Lord of lords. They are resolved to riot as lawless and aweless against the Omnipotent God and His Christ.
This mad resolution to revolt against God is one in which man has persevered ever since his creation, and he continues in it to this day.
Before we move on, let me answer the question posed in verse 1, "Why do the heathen rage?" They rage, they rebel, they revolt because they balk at Christ ruling over them.
The best example of this given to us in Acts 4:25-28 "Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together…"
Israel, the nations, kings and peoples are still rebelling against the Lord and his rules today. Christians are being persecuted and killed in many nations today. Our own nation is rebelling against many God laws and ordinances. What I am saying is this. The world is still rebelling agains Godt and his Messiah. ..."

Believing is non-existent conspiracies is just too much fun
Correction...believing in very real conspiracies is just too much fun....the LORD WILL LAUGH AT THEM....
Finally, a Baptist minister who seems to "get it":
www.firstbaptistchurchoc.org/Sermons_03/heathen.htm
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2012-07-30 13:15:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: FormerLurker (#2) (Edited)
MKULTRA

I know all about it. It was closed down decades ago because it failed completely.
All attempts at brainwashing have failed completely. The government has tried everything - electroshock, LSD, lobotomies, sensory deprivation. None of it has ever worked.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-30 13:17:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Turtle (#0)
Conspiracist Crackpots

Apparently one of your FAVES, Vox Day, disagrees and thinks it may have been a false flag operation.
voxday.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-crisis-wasted.html

Lysander_Spooner posted on 2012-07-30 14:01:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Turtle (#8)
I know all about it. It was closed down decades ago because it failed completely.

Wrong. It was SUPPOSEDLY shutdown because it was ILLEGAL. From what I've read, it most certainly has NOT been shutdown, although it may operate under different name(s).
This sort of "research" started with the Nazis, many of whom were brought into this country via Operation Paperclip. Some went to the USSR, and some came here. So we are talking about 70 years or so of "research" in this field.
I'm sure they have improved their techniques since the Church Hearings. We can find examples of it all around, most notably on television, along with the fact they spike the water supplies with fluoride, used by the Nazis to subdue concentration camp inmates.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-30 14:03:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.

Shoonra posted on 2012-07-30 18:35:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Turtle (#0)
If "they" hadn't tried it on me, I too would still be a non believer.
Who exactly is "they?," I'll probably never know.

sizzlerguy posted on 2012-07-30 19:12:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: FormerLurker (#2)
Now I understand your reasons for using the handle "turtle".

Should be - TURD - L
"In an unjust society, the only place for a just man is prison."
Thoreau
noone222 posted on 2012-07-30 19:34:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Shoonra (#11)
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.

A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-30 19:55:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Turtle, Shoonra, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#14)
I'm sure there are drugs which can cause schizophrenic delusions, based upon LSD, scopolimine, mescaline, etc., or some powerful new drug which just happened to be laying around at the neuroscience center where Holmes did his research.
Somebody may have been coaching him, exploiting his fondness of the "Joker" character, if he ever really WAS that fond of the character. He may have been told it was all just a prank, and he may have just been told to wait in the car while the "coach's friends" did the deed.
In a seriously drugged up schizophrenic state, he may have actually believed it, till he realized it wasn't a joke.
The multiple shooter reports, along with the maze of boobytraps he had no expertise in, along with his hit/miss ratio, indicate he didn't act alone.
There are certainly a lot of unanswered questions in this case.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-30 23:04:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Turtle, All (#0)
An eye witness in the theater at the time of the shooting says that the shooter was 5'8" or 5'9". Holmes is tall @ 6'3". Authorities have not yet verified where Holmes got to practice with a gun. He applied for membership at a private gun club but did not follow thru. Holmes' high school and college friends clai he had no interest in shooter games - rather he liked to play Guitar Man. U of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus in Aurora was a former Army base. Holmes' shrink is a former Army physician. Project MK Ultra was a collaborative effort between the CIA and the Army. Holmes' (adoptive) dad worked for a defense contractor before holding his current position at FICA. Holmes appears to have had a psychotic break down or is experiencing an adult onset of schizophrenia - but was he helped along? Too many loose ends and odd coincidences for my liking. Just putting it out there for your consideration. I am not known to be a conspiracy fan.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=54mXdhgwqMI
"Witness to Dark Knight Shooting Says There Was an Accomplice"

scrapper2 posted on 2012-07-31 2:15:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: wakeup (#1)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

IF conspiracies do not exist in your world what is it called then?

Attempted conspiracy?

VILE ASSHOLES EXIST! THEY ATTEMPT TO COVER UP THEIR ASSHOLERY! THAT IS THE BASE DEFINITION OF CONSPIRACY!
To commit a crime without being caught or punished.
All of our modern day politicians.

Rare, my fucking ass. You are not allowed to be dumb! I forbid it!
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 3:02:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Turtle (#14)
To: Shoonra
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely, it's hard to imagine any conspiracy making use of him. He is so mentally disordered that he would not be reliable in carrying out the mission of a conspiracy.
A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

Turtle...

You just gave ...

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holy shit
others might over look this. I wont. holy shit....

fuck shoonra
hard to imagine....

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TURTLE DID YOU JUST BECOPME A VIOCTYOME OF THE CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

Fyucking say it aint so but I'll have troubel ever Pming ya//// AAARRRGGGGG you think what the fuck?!
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 3:09:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: titorite, Turtle, Shoonra (#18)
Assuming Holmes is the shooter, which seems likely...
A lot of people cannot figure out the simplest things, as you did.

What a couple of dumbasses.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-07-31 3:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: titorite (#17) (Edited)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

Sarcasm.
Of course conspiracies exist.
Have you ever been to our Project site?
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wakeup posted on 2012-07-31 11:26:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: wakeup (#20)
Of course conspiracies exist.

Yes, they do exist.
There are conspiracies in the government and media to pretend that blacks do not rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year, and that they aren't responsible for all gang rapes,and that only whites are racist...do I have to go on with the real conspiracies?
Then there are the non-existent conspiracies....James Holmes was a zombie robot...remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC....three shooters on Kennedy...moon landings on a stage....all fantasies.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 11:33:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: scrapper2 (#16)
hi scrap!
this thing so stinks to high heaven. Holmes did not do this alone. i'm convinced of it.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:43:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Turtle (#21)
and explosives in the WTC....three shooters on Kennedy.

you're so full of it on those. how you can deny the evidence right before your eyes is unbelievable to me. WTC buildings pulverized and falling at nearly free fall speed and then building 7 never having been hit by a plane and falling at free fall speed.
often wrong, but never in doubt. ;)

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:47:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Lysander_Spooner (#9)
uh huh.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:50:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Turtle (#0)
because they are deluded,

and THE all knowing Bob Wallace has proclaimed it thus!!

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:58:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: wudidiz (#19)
What a couple of dumbasses.

agreed.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 11:59:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: scrapper2 (#16)
As he walked up the aisle shooting, as per the official script, I find it absurd that not one person interrupted him once he was past them.

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-07-31 12:00:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: christine (#23)
you're so full of it

I'm full of brains. And cuteness!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 12:04:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Jethro Tull, 4 (#27)
Why are there no videos of the shooting?
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 12:08:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Turtle (#0)
spoilsport.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 12:13:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: PSUSA2 (#30)
spoilsport.

I know.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 12:19:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Turtle (#31)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork. One doesn't need to be a genius to predict that. Hell, I knew that.
It's fukushima all over again.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 12:22:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.

What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy. I'll bet within ten minutes they were writing articles. Proof? Who need proof? Everything is a conspiracy! Everyone knows that!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 12:28:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: titorite, wakeup (#17)
except that very rare reader, like yourself, that already knows instinctively that conspiracies do not exist.

lol....got sarcasm?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2012-07-31 12:38:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: PSUSA2, Turtle, Shoonra (#32) (Edited)
Some people use critical thinking skills and never accept a story fraught with conflicting data just because that's what the government told them.
And then there are some people who just swallow whatever simple answer they can snatch out of the air, because it's simple and doesn't show the government to be evil and totally corrupt.
Hell, the investigation is still in progress, they haven't even closed the book on this one yet. Yet folks like you are sugar coating this as a "lone gunman" scenario, because you are either unwilling or unable to think this through in your minds, or because you've been programmed to accept the "simple answer", even though there really isn't one when all known facts are considered.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 13:41:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)
accept the "simple answer"

Amusingly, not one person has commented on Gilligan's rediscovering what causes murder..which was also discovered by Aristotle, Aquinas, St. Augustine, and many other thoughtful people.
It's easier for the robots to pretend everything is a conspiracy.
Not only is the Bible totally correct about the cause of murder, this is what Isiah 8:12 says about the belief in non-existent conspiracies: "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it."
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist. There are enough problems in this world with hallucinating them.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 13:54:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
You also knew it was only a (very short) matter of time before the conspiracy freaks came out of the woodwork.

It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism.
You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind.
It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures.
MKULTRA did not exist simply to provide spies that could be given secret messages which could not be extracted under torture. It existed to create mind- controlled assassins and soldiers, and to find ways to mass control populations by covert means.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 13:55:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Turtle (#36)
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

If that's true, then why are there laws against it, and why are people in prison for it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 13:56:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Turtle (#36)
How did the American Colonists plan to revolt against the King, if they did not speak of it first?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:00:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Turtle (#36)
Do you even know what a conspiracy IS? It's simply a crime committed by two or more people, plotted ahead of time. So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:03:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Turtle (#33)
What I find bizarre is that as soon as some people found out about the shooting, they immediately sat down at their computers and starting writing about how it was a conspiracy.

That is because people are getting smarter. You should join them.
Turn off that radio next to your computer and start educating yourself for real.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 14:08:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: FormerLurker (#40)
So NOTHING illegal is plotted ahead of time by more than one person, right Turtle?

There are conspiracies, i.e., the media pretending that blacks don't rape/sexually assault 37,000 white women a year.
There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.
There is a difference between what is and what isn't.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:18:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Turtle (#42) (Edited)
There are no conspiracies involving remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in towers.

The government DOES have remote controlled planes and has tested them extensively, they're called drones and are used extensively.
As far as the towers, thousands of architects and engineers say those towers, AND Building 7, could NOT have come down WITHOUT explosives. I believe them and my own understanding of physics over your emotional "feelings" that it can't be true.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:26:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: abraxas (#34)
lol....got sarcasm?

that made me lol

christine posted on 2012-07-31 14:26:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Turtle (#42)
There is a difference between what is and what isn't.

Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:27:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Turtle (#42)
Oh, and you apparently can't seem to understand there is a room in between the two extremes known as it COULD be, MIGHT be, or we just don't know.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:29:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: PSUSA2 (#32)
oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.

christine posted on 2012-07-31 14:30:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: FormerLurker (#45)
Apparently you have problems processing what IS. Your concept of what ISN'T is a bit faulty as well.

I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC.
Good luck. You'll need it.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:36:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Turtle (#42)
"You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy!'
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.
There are conspiracies

In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?
Feeling a bit confused today Turtle?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:37:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Turtle (#48)
I will give you 10,000 years to prove there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC

If the "hijackers" are still alive, how did they "fly" those planes?
As far as explosives, can you not understand that an object does not drop at free fall speed if there is resistance to that "fall"?
There, it took me 10 seconds.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:39:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)
In looking over your posts, do you see a bit of a problem here?

Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies."
Affirmative Action is a conspiracy. It means "White Men Need Not Apply."
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:40:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: FormerLurker (#50)
If the "hijackers" are still alive

Cloud Cuckoo land.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 14:42:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: christine, Turtle, Bob, 4 (#47)
Look, Bob knows that it's all true; Turtle, on the other hand, just tosses stuff out here for chumming-effect to see who rises to the bait.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 14:43:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Turtle (#51)
Only nuts believe there was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, or there were three shooters on Kennedy, or his driver finished him off, or the moon landings were shot on stage, or there were remote-controlled airplanes and explosives in the WTC. That's what I mean by "there are no conspiracies."

You said conspiracies don't exist, and that it is a sin to say they do. Then you say there ARE some, but only ones that you can personally figure out.
Yet you don't see a problem with that thought flow.
I never said it was a conspiracy to sink the Titanic, nor did I say I believe the moon landings were faked, but they COULD have been since you bring it up.
That's the thing about folks who rant and rave that such things JUST CAN'T BE, you put words in the mouths of others which they never said, yet act so self- righteous and holy with your biblical quotes.
Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:46:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Turtle (#52)
If the "hijackers" are still alive

Cloud Cuckoo land.

So when are you going to dye your hair red Turtle?
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well [BBC]
Revealed: the men with stolen identities [UK Telegraph]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 14:49:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Lod (#53)
Look, Bob knows that it's all true; Turtle, on the other hand, just tosses stuff out here for chumming-effect to see who rises to the bait.

Shut up and quit exposing me!!!
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 15:00:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: Turtle (#56)
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.

Just don't start gnashing, it could disturb Mr.Pug.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 15:11:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: FormerLurker, Turtle (#54)
Isn't there a commandment against bearing false witness?

Yes there is, and Turtle remember that lyin' a mortal sin. You will roast in your shell forever and ever and it won't never stop hurting.
Repent now.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken
randge posted on 2012-07-31 15:12:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: All (#57)
pug heaven -

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
Lod posted on 2012-07-31 15:17:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine (#47)
oh, god. please don't tell me you believe, like Bob does, the government's 9/11 impossible tale, bin laden's killing tale, and the Warren Commission's report on the Kennedy assassination.

It has nothing to do with the topics you list. It's about Holmes. And what I believe only is important to me.
But, I'll admit that I Dont Know about the topics you list. I wasn't there. And it is not enough to say the .gov story is bullshit. There have been all kinds of wacky conspiracy theories about 9/11, from UFOs to holographic projections to know knows what. Those "explanations" are just as f'd up as the .gov story.
Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!!
Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead?
Remember who it was that posted most of those articles here? Hint: It wasn't me. But I seemed to have aggravated the hell out of the poster by not going along with his program.
If people can generate a panic, thereby making them selves into Internet Big Shots in the process, then they'll do exactly that.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:03:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: FormerLurker (#37)
It's a bit ironic that you feel that way, being that you see huge conspiracies in the matter of religion. You rebelled from a strict Christian upbringing by jumping to the polar opposite of Christianity, Satanism.

It's not a "polar opposite". That is what is known as "inverted christianity". That's not satanism. That's being an ankle biting little punk.
I'll do a little spoonfeeding here. Here is a short definition of what Satanism is all about: It's about knowing that the answers are not outside yourselves, but within. Don't look to others for answers. You won't find them. Self advancement requires work, not simplistic answers and slogans.
The abrahamic paths require you to look to others for answers and rules, at your own expense. You're expected to "lay up your treasure in heaven", by giving up your treasure RIGHT HERE; by giving up your personal power, RIGHT HERE. So, who do you give these things up to??? Inquiring minds want to know...
If you are on that path, good for you. But I'm not.
You see nothing wrong with "satanism", and refuse to contemplate that there IS horrible and murderous evil in the world, and that evil is very possibly caused by a cognant force controlling or at minimum influencing humankind.
What does this have to do with Holmes? Was he now "demon" possessed?
It is THAT sort of evil which leads to this sort of event. There ARE those who utilize that evil as a means to an ends, which typically results in them them having more power, and/or receiving vast treasures.
You need look no further than the 3 abrahamic faiths to see that.
But what does any of this have to do with Holmes? If you have a problem with me and or satanism, no problem. But at least keep from going off on a tangent.
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Whenever there's resistance, examine your motivation. Whenever there's flow, consider taking action.
PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:21:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: Turtle, christine (#36)
I fear no conspiracy because they don't exist.

Well then, the govt is looking for a few good men just like you to continue the Tuskegee Syphilis Study.
Oh, and The Phoenix Program and Jay Pollard's arrangement with Israel and the murders of foreign heads of state (Congress believes in conspiracies enough to outlaw many of them) and more shots fired than Sirhan's gun could hold and The phony Gulf Of Tonkin incident and the CIA bringing crack to the cities and Mena, Arkansas and Bush defying always accurate exit polls and sweeping heavily Democratic districts where he was despised and voting machines with disappearing software and zero accountability.....
Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....
Oh, it's a big wide world we live in...."
Some folks outgrow their fear of Boogie Perthuns and some sleep with a nightlight. Some folks understood the true nature of the KGB and some convinced themselves that it was patriotic to snitch on their neighbors.
Turtle, I fear that you're a snitch who sleeps with a nightlight. If you believe that incumbents for life, war industrialists and fanatical ideologues leave things to chance in the US, then you are confusing your Pollyanna syndrome with patriotism and all to hide your abject cowardice. There's someone in your life that you cannot face and speak the truth with, and your solution is to mimic a flag waving ostrich.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:22:51 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Conspiracy Realists (#62)

christine posted on 2012-07-31 16:32:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
a flag waving ostrich

Lol. I am sorta new so I don't really know many here, but that had me laughing....
8)
"The Best Way to Control the Opposition is to Lead it." Vladimir Lenin "I am not a Marxist." Karl Marx
Dead Culture Watch posted on 2012-07-31 16:35:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: PSUSA2 (#61)
I'll do a little spoonfeeding here. Here is a short definition of what Satanism is all about: It's about knowing that the answers are not outside yourselves, but within. Don't look to others for answers. You won't find them. Self advancement requires work, not simplistic answers and slogans.

You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship.
That's why they call him master.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:38:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
Bob Wallace says: "The govt is our friend and they don't lie to us, oh, and brainwashing doesn't exist....

The State is our enemy and it lies all the time.
However, brainwashing does not exist.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 16:42:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: PSUSA2 (#61)
You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less.
Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist.
My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope. The facts concerning Holmes don't support the supposition that he was the lone shooter, and they point towards the strong possibility he was purposely driven mad by those he trusted.
There ARE those in this world which would do such a thing, and THEY are most likely involved and/or possessed by pure evil, motivated by greed and lust for power.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG (#66)
However, brainwashing does not exist.

And how do you KNOW this to be true Turtle? Your "gut feeling"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:45:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#60)
Remember corexit and how we were all doomed Doomed DOOMED!!!
Remember fukushima and how we should at least be bald by now, if not dead?

You exaggerate for effect without citing sources. Who made the statements?
And, there's this:
April 12, 2012 08:00 AM
Gulf Coast Fishermen: 'Everything is Dead'
The Fukushima disaster is far from over.
Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.
And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for.
And the fact that the only issue of concern to you is govt's plausible deniability is evidence of your 98 lb weakling agenda.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:45:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: FormerLurker (#65)
You may be able to convince yourself that's what satanism is about, but you won't convince me of it. It's not called SATANism because of flowery ideas and concepts involving self exploration, it's called that because its adherents believe in a devil like being named satan, whom they worship.

If you accept the xianity definition, then you're right.
But as for me, they're just a little biased. Just a little...
"Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means?
How about the root definition of "worship"? Hint: It doesn't mean groveling.
That's why they call him master.
lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:47:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Turtle (#66)
...brainwashing does not exist.

But, talk radio is a poor source upon which to rely.
And if you "don't know what it is but you do know what it ain't" then how do your views differ from those of ordinary bigots, fanatics, simpletons and stupids of every stripe?

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:51:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: Dead Culture Watch (#64)
Welcome!

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-07-31 16:55:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: HOUNDDAWG (#69)
Of course if (G_d forbid) inexplicable cancers suddenly strike your loved ones you'll blame anything but radiation because your religious beliefs (state worship) must remain sacrosanct.

Yes, let us now sing "god bless america, I bend over for thee". Please rise.
And, only someone who is trying to insulate himself from frightening truths would suggest that the deaths from either disasters must be immediate to be attributable to the whore you are pimping for.
A half and half, $200! BJ for $50!
Silly me. I thought the topic was about Holmes. I guess that a person is either all in, and believes every conspiracy, or he folds and worships the state.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 16:56:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: PSUSA2 (#70)
"Satan" is a title, not a name. Do you know what it means?
It is the Judeo/Christian name of the devil. The devil has been described in detail by various cultures, including those outside of the Abrahamic religions.
lol. Really? I can't imagine a Satanist doing that. But we Satanists are an eclectic bunch, so who knows.
I guess you've never listened to heavy metal much. Not that ALL heavy metal is satanic, but a lot of it is...

Lyrics:
End of passion play 
Crumbling away 
I'm your source of self-destruction 

Veins that pump with fear 
Sucking darkest clear 
Leading on your death's construction 

Taste me you will see 
More is all you need 
Dedicated to 
How I'm killing you 

Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 
Master 

Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 

Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 

Master 
Master 

Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master 

Needlework the way 
Never you betray 
Life of death becoming clearer 

Pain monopoly 
Ritual misery 
Chop your breakfast on a mirror 

Taste me you will see 
More is all you need 
Dedicated to 
How I'm killing you 

Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 
Master 

Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 
[ Lyrics from: 
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/metallica/master+of+puppets_20092140.html ]
 Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 

Master 
Master 

Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master, master, master, master... 

(Bridge) 

(1st solo - James) 

Master, master 
Where's the dreams that I've been after? 

Master, master 
Promised only lies 

Laughter, laughter 
All I hear or see is laughter 

Laughter, laughter 
Laughing at my cries 

FIX ME! 

(2nd solo - Kirk) 

Hell is worth all that 
Natural habitat 
Just a rhyme without a reason 

Never-ending maze 
Drift on numbered days 
Now your life is out of season 

I will occupy 
I will help you die 
I will run through you 
Now I rule you too 

Come crawling faster 
Obey your master 
Your life burns faster 
Obey your master 

Master 

Master of puppets 
I'm pulling your strings 
Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams 

Blinded by me 
You can't see a thing 
Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 

Master 
Master 

Just call my name 'cause I'll hear you scream 
Master 
Master 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 16:59:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#67)
You see Christianity as the result of an ancient world wide conspiracy to control mankind. I tend to agree with you on that, more or less.

Not just xianity.
Yet you see no conspiracy in the worship of the devil, often times fueled with mind altering drugs, wanton sex, and animal sacrifice. You even claim such things don't happen or even exist.
I dont recall ever claiming that.
Drugs? Some do.
Sex? Sure. that too. For some odd reason, sex is popular. With everyone.
Animal Sacrifice? Ask the kikes about that one.
My point is that there ARE conspiracies of all types and scope.
Agreed.
And somehow that conclusion has already been reached in the Holmes case. I see no reason for a trial, now.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 17:06:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: PSUSA2 (#75)
And somehow that conclusion has already been reached in the Holmes case. I see no reason for a trial, now.

I've not seen anything in regards to Holmes not needing a trial. Thing is, there should be a further investigation, and there apparently IS an ongoing investigation. Who knows if they'll follow through with the leads and unanswered questions.
But all known facts indicate it is highly unlikely, or even impossible, for Holmes to have acted alone.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 17:09:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#66)
However, brainwashing does not exist.

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A CIA document dated 10 Feb 1954 [4] describes an experiment on the creation of unsuspecting assassins: "Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having expressed a fear of firearms) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that she would not hesitate to "kill." Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted]. After proper suggestions were made, both were awakened. Miss [deleted] expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened." BB 36, 37

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HUNDREDS of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments by a Scottish doctor could be entitled to compensation
Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care.

Cameron, who graduated from Glasgow University, was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada.

He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation.

Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation.
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Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 17:12:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: PSUSA2 (#75)
Animal Sacrifice? Ask the kikes about that one.

The Jews used to do that milennia ago. Thing is, I don't think they tortured little kittens and puppies to death, as I've heard and read about in regards to satanic cults.
As far as sex, I don't think the Jews performed rituals while copulating with young boys and girls, invoking their "master" and his demons.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 17:12:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: Bill D Berger, Turtle (#77)
Yeah....I guess these hundreds of mind control victims who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments are just a bunch of "kooks"?

Maybe Turtle will claim they don't exist.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 17:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, FormerLurker, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#77)
The Manchurian Veterans
They Were Expendable

In 1953, President Dwight Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense Charles E. Wilson authorized scientific experimentation on active duty military members in a document now infamously known as the Wilson Memo.
Between 1954 and 1975, more than seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel are thought to have participated in Sidney Gottlieb's mind control program.
Many of these veterans have sought compensation for the physical and psychological damage they suffered at the hands of Gottlieb and his assistants, but to date the government has balked at honoring their claims.In 2001, President Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen awarded yet another contract to the IOM to locate the Edgewood veterans and other subjects of DoD chemical testing. In a 2003 article published in Military Medicine , the IOM reported that it had conducted a survey of 4,002 Edgewood veterans. But this report focused on subjects of Sarin and other chemical weapon experiments, not specifically on the MK-ULTRA mind control program subjects.
Further confusing the issue was a 2004 Government Accounting Office (GAO) report titled Chemical and Biological Defense: DOD Needs to Continue to Collect and Provide Information on Tests and Potentially Exposed Personnel. The report covered veteran test subjects in a chemical and biological test program known as "Project 112," but also addressed a Department of Defense mandate to investigate all other human test projects conducted since World War II.
The report stated that Army documents identified over seven thousand Army and Air Force personnel who participated in these "other tests" conducted at Edgewood and elsewhere, but didn't specifically break out which of these test veterans were involved in Gottlieb's mind control experiments.
It also said the GAO had concluded that, "the scope and the magnitude of tests involving human subjects was not available, and the exact number of human subjects might never be known." *

Shocking Videos of LSD and MKULTRA Experiments on Citizens
The purpose of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, “Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?”
Project Bluebird researchers experimented with a wide variety of psychoactive substances, including LSD, heroin, marijuana, cocaine, PCP, mescaline, and ether. Thousands of military personal were dosed and experimented upon, and it is believed that many civilians were also used.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 17:14:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Maybe Turtle will claim they don't exist.

I wouldn't be surprised.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 17:15:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: FormerLurker, Bill D Berger, Turtle, HOUNDDAWG, PSUSA2, christine, Jethro Tull, James Deffenbach, esso, TwentyTwelve (#74)
Satanism is a kind of rot.
Is it not??
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken
randge posted on 2012-07-31 17:37:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: randge (#82)
It's a symptom of a sick and deranged society.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 18:10:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: Bill D Berger (#80)
Was Holmes one of them?
Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know. Unless it already fits into their own preconceived ideas, making proof superfluous.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 18:22:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: randge (#82)
To be fair though, I think that song was about drugs, namely heroin and cocaine. BUT, it was performed in a way where it could be taken several ways, and I'd wager that most people just hear MASTER, MASTER, and something about obeying him.
Members of the audience flash the "horns", and I'd bet some of them DO "get into satan".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 18:40:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: PSUSA2, Bill D Berger (#84)
Was Holmes one of them?
Some have already reached that conclusion. How, I don't know

And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 18:41:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
And then some people have already reached the conclusion that he wasn't, although past history and known facts indicate otherwise.

One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.
I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 18:56:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: PSUSA2 (#84)
Was Holmes one of them?
Some have already reached that conclusion.

The evidence certainly does indicate that.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 18:57:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: PSUSA2 (#87)
One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.

He certainly MIGHT be a mass murderer if it was in fact him who was in that theater shooting people up. Although he most likely was NOT the ONLY shooter in that theater due to various eyewitness reports of multiple shooters, or of another person taking a cell phone call by the fire exit and propping the door open.
His intelligence would have called for a better plan than simply waiting outside the door for the cops to arrest him, even if he was in fact insane.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 19:04:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: PSUSA2 (#87)
One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act.
I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe...

So what then? You are pious enough to pass judgement on the dude without all the details because getting to know him and his family is too much for you?

What fucking shit head.

Some fucking people I swear , you could read about the little fucker, his dad, his grand dad who they are and what they do but no.. that is asking too much of the likes of you.. you who would just shrug your shoulders and put a bullet in him.... Never fucking mind that others could be made to do this shit... never mind more sons ov bitches were involved no, lets just let those other guilty fucksticks go because JAMES HOLMES DID IT! TEEVEE TOLD ME SO!
For fucks sake you might as well pull your own guillotine cord.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 19:04:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: Bill D Berger (#88)
I guess we'll have to wait for the trial to see what the real evidence is.
Oh wait. I can see it now. If he is innocent or declared insane: The lawyers were in on it. The judge was crooked, and Illuminati to boot. It's a conspiracy. If he is guilty as charged (capital murder): The lawyers were in on it. The judge was crooked, and Illuminati to boot. It's a conspiracy.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 19:06:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: titorite (#90)
So what then? You are pious enough to pass judgement on the dude without all the details because getting to know him and his family is too much for you?
What fucking shit head.
Some fucking people I swear , you could read about the little fucker, his dad, his grand dad who they are and what they do but no.. that is asking too much of the likes of you.. you who would just shrug your shoulders and put a bullet in him.... Never fucking mind that others could be made to do this shit... never mind more sons ov bitches were involved no, lets just let those other guilty fucksticks go because JAMES HOLMES DID IT! TEEVEE TOLD ME SO!
For fucks sake you might as well pull your own guillotine cord.

I should frame that. It's one for the ages and should replace the Mona Lisa at that Louvre museum.
All I said was this: "One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act."
And that somehow makes me "pious" and "judgmental"? I said "one possibility" that was being "studiously ignored in some quarters".
Perhaps he needs a group hug and a candlelight vigil?
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 19:12:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: PSUSA2 (#92)
All I said was this: "One possibility that is being studiously ignored in some quarters is: he's a mass murderer that premeditated this act."

INCORRECT
You said a little something more too

"I guess mass murders were unknown until there was a MK-ULTRA. Or, a devil to blame. There's always some outside cause, right? Personal responsibility is so passe... "

I guess personal responsibility is 'passe' for people like you who can't even attribute a full quote to themselves.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-07-31 19:16:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: FormerLurker (#89)
His intelligence would have called for a better plan than simply waiting outside the door for the cops to arrest him, even if he was in fact insane.

Which is why we have to wait and see.
You're imo trying to make sense out of something that is not logical. Anyone that thinks he's the joker in a batman movie and opens fire in a theater is not going to think or act logically (as we think of logic). But there is evident premeditation re: boobytrapped apartment etc. Unless, of course, there were no boobytraps.
All I am saying is that he cannot be tried on the internet. There is too much crap out there. I don't know what he did or didn't do, and I refuse to speculate or listen to others speculation(s). But shit, that really ticked off a few people. lol they think they have it all figured out.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 19:23:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: titorite (#93)
And?
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 19:24:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: PSUSA2 (#94)
People are at least awake enough to ask the questions and refuse to accept the simple answer on sheer authority from government spokemen just because it's the easiest way to get past it and "move on".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 19:28:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: Bill D Berger, 4um (#77)
I'm out of the police game for years, but I've never saw anything like these types of shootings. I'd guess when I was working more than 90% were drug related or of personal. These current nut-sacks give me a totally different "feel." I'm not sure if it's the chemical cocktails these kids are treated to as kids, or something more sinister. For sure these shootings are all exploited by the anti gunners, and that is my major concern. I have no doubt that they are coming after our weapons via our ammunition. I just placed a large order. I urge others who never plan on giving up their guns to do the same.

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-07-31 19:51:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: FormerLurker (#96)
People are at least awake enough to ask the questions and refuse to accept the simple answer on sheer authority from government spokemen just because it's the easiest way to get past it and "move on".

Yeah, but the thing is, they think they already have the answers, to this and other things.
I'm not sure that saying "the .gov lies" is good enough. OK, they lie, and 2+2=4. What's the truth? Too many already think they have the truth. But they don't agree with each other.
It's more about beliefs and how people hang on to them for dear life. IMO beliefs should not be so permanent. They should be subject to change with new information. But that is hardly ever the case.
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PSUSA2 posted on 2012-07-31 20:22:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: PSUSA2 (#98)
I'm open minded about the Holmes case, but there are a LOT of unanswered questions surrounding it and conflicting facts. How WOULD a mind controlled assassin behave, if he had no training in firearms or explosives, but was a doctoral candidate in a neuroscience program?
Too many things don't add up, and given the history of MKULTRA and other dark projects, I would have to see it as a possible part of the picture.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 20:26:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: FormerLurker (#68)
And how do you KNOW this to be true Turtle? Your "gut feeling"?

Because there are no Brainwashed Zombies programmed for murder, although the crackpots believe there are.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-07-31 20:32:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: Turtle (#100)
Because there are no Brainwashed Zombies programmed for murder, although the crackpots believe there are.

And how do you KNOW this Turtle? Do you work at the CIA Office of Science of Technology, and do you have a SCI Top Secret clearance?
There is enough documentation publically available to indicate such work WAS performed, and that various degrees of success were obtained.
Here's one for you. How did RFK get shot with more bullets than were in Sirhan Sirhan's gun, and why did none of those bullets match the gun he did have?
The RFK Panel
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 20:39:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: Turtle, FormerLurker (#100)
Because there are no Brainwashed Zombies programmed for murder,

Sirhan Sirhan and His Account of Delta Programming Mind Control
Convicted RFK assassin says girl manipulated him
Convicted assassin Sirhan Sirhan was manipulated by a seductive girl in a mind control plot to shoot Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and his bullets did not kill the presidential candidate, lawyers for Sirhan said in new legal papers.
The documents filed this week in federal court and obtained by The Associated Press detail extensive interviews with Sirhan during the past three years, some done while he was under hypnosis.
The papers point to a mysterious girl in a polka-dot dress as the controller who led Sirhan to fire a gun in the pantry of the Ambassador Hotel. But the documents suggest a second person shot and killed Kennedy while using Sirhan as a diversion.
For the first time, Sirhan said under hypnosis that on a cue from the girl he went into “range mode” believing he was at a firing range and seeing circles with targets in front of his eyes.
“I thought that I was at the range more than I was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy,” Sirhan was quoted as saying during interviews with Daniel Brown, a Harvard University professor and expert in trauma memory and hypnosis. He interviewed Sirhan for 60 hours with and without hypnosis, according to the legal brief.

The "Manchurian Candidate": Lee Harvey Oswald?
Declassified memos and investigative reporting by various sources have taught us a great deal over the past 40 years of how involuntary operatives could be cleverly "programmed" by the CIA as apparent communist sympathizers to infiltrate and disrupt communist organizations. (We now know that during the 1960s scores of phony leftists were used by the CIA and FBI to infiltrate and discredit organizations through violent behavior in infamous programs such as COINTELPRO.) We have also learned how supposed "lone-nut" Lee Harvey Oswald's seemingly irrational behavior actually complemented such espionage programs:
* His defection to the Soviet Union was secretly handled by the CIA as a counterintelligence mission and mirrored an elaborately staged defection involving another low-level American soldier (with a similar background) that began the very same year Oswald's did.
* Following his return to the U.S., Oswald leveraged his defector credentials to play the role of pro-Castro activist while constantly surrounded by anti-communists with links to the intelligence world.
-- His best friend in Dallas was a wealthy White Russian with ties to the CIA and the address of future CIA Director George Bush in his wallet.
-- After moving to New Orleans, Oswald formed an unauthorized chapter of a Castro-friendly group targeted by the CIA and handed out pro-Castro leaflets printed with the office address of an FBI anti-communist expert.
-- Future "lone-nut assassin" and pro-Castro activist Oswald even met with one of the CIA's anti-Castro assassins in New Orleans, while under both CIA and FBI surveillance (NYT, 1993).
* Oswald's supposed pro-communist behavior fit the profile of a hypnotized anti-Communist infiltrator as detailed in declassified documents from his era. Military hypnotist George Estabrooks even bragged of carrying out an operation employing a brainwashed Marine who was hypno-programmed with a pro-communist personality so he could be prematurely discharged from the service as a fake defector and then used in an anti-communist intelligence operation. Further, he claimed his hypnosis technique had been used to create assassins.

MIND CONTROL: WAS NORWAY SHOOTER AN MK-ULTRA MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE?
Breivik’s profile, and Hollywood extra photos were already on the news desks of editors within minutes of his apprehension, and if that’s not strange enough, allegedly, also, the arresting police already knew his name. This point was brought up by Channel 4 anchorman Jon Snow, who raised this oddity in a tweet, “What we don’t know is how the police knew the terrorist’s name before they arrested him”.
Other uncertainties will fester, and these are mostly fundamental forensic issues we face in a digital age. There is no evidence that Anders Breivik is author Andrew Berwick, or that he had anything to do with writing the so-called digital PDF “Manifesto” which, mind you, despite all of its twisted content, it is written in flawless English (not in Norwegian), which indicates an academic or professional English editor.
Additionally, the “Marxist Hunter” badge visible in his now famous Amphibious Combat action shot has been Photoshopped into the picture by persons unknown. As we have pointed out, we still don’t know where all of these photos came from and how they were delivered to the media.

Oklahoma bomber McVeigh was Mind Controlled
Oklahoma bomber McVeigh was Mind Controlled
Friday, 30 December 2011 23:44

"According to the government/mass media, a 4800 ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate plus Fuel Oil) bomb placed inside a rented Ryder truck parked approximately 20/30 feet from the federal building exploded at 9.02am, April 19, 1995. The bomb killed 168 people as well as injuring over 500 others. The ANFO bomb demolished at least 25% of the Murrah building and caused varying degrees of damage to a further 270 buildings in the immediate vicinity of the bomb." Timothy McVeigh was sentenced to death and executed June 11, 2001. He was totally innocent, because he was mind-controlled.
"Dr. Louis Jolyon West was an expert on brainwashing and mind control. According to Gunderson, Dr. West visited Timothy McVeigh in jail many times. Furthermore, Timothy McVeigh wrote a letter to his sister saying he was selected to be a assassin for the CIA."
At the age of 29 West was appointed Head of the Department of Psychiatry, Neurology and Biobehavioral Sciences at the University of Oklahoma School of Medicine. The establishment also allowed CIA programmer Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West to examine Jack Ruby in his jail cell. He was the killer of the JFK murder patsy Lee Harvey Oswald, also CIA mind-controlled.
"A new documentary, A Noble Lie, has been released regarding the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, which shows with copious evidence that the bombing was not the act of one man, Timothy McVeigh, but that McVeigh was but a mind-controlled patsy for sinister forces within the U.S. government who wanted to use that event as a pretext to finally pass Bill Clinton's Anti-Terrorism bill, which would not have passed without something of that magnitude to spur it."

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2012-07-31 20:59:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: Bill D Berger (#102) (Edited)
Sirhan Sirhan and His Account of Delta Programming Mind Control

Great minds think alike, or so I've heard...
Not talking about Sirhan Sirhan here in case there's any confusion on the part of Turtle and his flock.
But the RFK assassination certainly sheds light on what we're both talking about.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-07-31 22:57:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: Bill D Berger (#102) (Edited)
Let's not forget Unibomber Ted who volunteered for the CIA mind bending........
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2012-08-01 0:24:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: Turtle (#51)
Only nuts believe

That the USS Maine wasn't attacked by a dastardly enemy but instead had a malfunction that caused her to sink.....and caused this nation to go to war.
That the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was a valid reason to lead this nation to war in Vietnam.
That the USS Liberty was gunned down on accident.
That Operation Northwoods would never happen.
That asbestos is safe for the public.
That the Iran Contra Affair was just a misunderstanding.
That the CIA wasn't running drugs into LA and across this nation.
That the CIA hasn't been assassinating people since inception.
That Chemtrails are just contrails that fail to dissipate as instructed.
And that's just the tip of the ice burg on what a nut believes.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
abraxas posted on 2012-08-01 0:39:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: FormerLurker (#99)
I'm open minded about the Holmes case, but there are a LOT of unanswered questions surrounding it and conflicting facts. How WOULD a mind controlled assassin behave, if he had no training in firearms or explosives, but was a doctoral candidate in a neuroscience program?

Agreed.
But it looks like some have the answers to those many unanswered questions.
I don't know much about explosives, but being the owner of more than one AR, They're not hard to figure out.
There used to be a board called roguesci that had information on how to make explosives and other interesting things. They were pro and amateur chemists, and they ran that board with an iron fist. One typo and they banned people, and that was for safety reasons. And because I''m not a chemist, much of it was way over my head. But since the shooter was probably familiar with chemistry, he'd be able to do that.
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