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Title: US Marine nabbed over ‘Facebook Terrorism’
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URL Source: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/0 ... abbed-over-facebook-terrorism/
Published: Aug 20, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-08-21 00:46:10 by Tatarewicz
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He basically said 'I have some disagreements with the government and share this', and they said, 'You have to go with us." Kathleen Thomas, Brandon Raub's mother A high-profile US Marine has been thrown behind bars for posting his critical views of US government on the social networking website Facebook. According to his mother Kathleen Thomas, Brandon Raub - who has served his nation in two wars - was hauled off by authorities from the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County PD, the Salemnews website reported. FBI agent Sherry Grainger reportedly told Thomas her son was making “threats that were terrorist in nature”. The writer of the story on the website described the affair as “Facebook Terrorism” stuff. In reaction to her son's arrest, the decorated Marine’s mother has called into question the freedom of speech in the United States. Her remarks followed the abrupt arrest of Raub whose posts on Facebook have been under scrutiny. The case, experts say, is a flagrant indication of the US government’s strict control over social networking websites, above all Facebook. Thomas said her son was questioned about why he was writing comments critical of the government. "He basically said 'I have some disagreements with the government and share this', and they said, 'You have to go with us'," Thomas noted. She added, "He was handcuffed, not read his rights, put into a Chesterfield Police Department vehicle and taken to John Randolph Psychiatric Hospital in Hopewell, Virginia," Thomas said. KA/JR/SS
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NDAA section 102 did away with due process, on New Years eve 2011. No kidding. So I think our system of government is something akin to a presidential military dictatorship.
Posted by Unknown Lamer on Monday August 20, @08:29PM from the rumsfeld-aspic-jsofc3ip-Verisign-terrorism-Comirex dept. colinneagle writes with news of a marine turned conspiracy theorist who was detained for psychological evaluation after posting rants on Facebook. He has since been ordered to remain in a mental facility for at least 30 days. From the article: "There are conspiracy theorists who believe 9/11 was an inside job. I don't really follow that news, but can people be arrested after saying so online, exercising their First Amendment right to Freedom of Speech? On August 16, the FBI, Secret Service and the Chesterfield Police arrested a decorated former U.S. Marine for 'airing his critical views of the U.S. government on Facebook.' On Facebook, Raub talked about the Illuminati, a shadow organization in which 'some of the leaders were involved with the bombing of the twin towers' and the 'great amount of evil perpetrated by the American Government.' He said people may think he was going crazy, but a 'civil war,' the 'Revolution' is coming. 'I'm starting the Revolution. I'm done waiting.' On July 24, he said he was at a 'great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle.' On August 9 he talked about severing heads and told the generals he was coming for them. On August 13, he wrote, 'Sharpen up my axe; I'm here to sever heads.' On August 14, Raub wrote, 'The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it.'" I suspect being a former marine and threatening to decapitate military officials might have had something to do with this (communicating specific threats?). But then again, his Facebook page was reportedly private, and according to the AP newswire: "The big concern, Whitehead said, is whether government officials are monitoring citizens' private Facebook pages and detaining people with whom they disagree." Read the 270 comments Mental health issue (Score:4, Informative) by phantomfive (622387) This is a mental health issue. He wasn't arrested, he was detained because he is crazy. In America, you can get someone locked up as insane. He doesn't need a trial. It is a serious problem. This has long been a problem in the western world. In Europe, if someone seemed crazy, in the 1800s it was a popular way to get rid of him if he was the only person in line ahead of you for inheritance (see for example, Prince Ludwig of Bavaria). In America, we had asylums with power to keep anyone who was deemed to be crazy. The administrators had a lot of power in these places, and eventually it was shown that doctors were incompetent at distinguishing sane people from insane people [wikipedia.org]. A lot of hospitals got closed at that point. In case anyone cares, here is the law [virginia.gov] that will allow him to be locked up, in case any lawyer wants to comment: a mental health professional can decide to issue a temporary detention order if "it appears ... that the person (i) has a mental illness and that there exists a substantial likelihood that, as a result of mental illness, the person will, in the near future, (a) cause serious physical harm to himself or others as evidenced by recent behavior causing, attempting, or threatening harm and other relevant information, if any, or (b) suffer serious harm due to his lack of capacity to protect himself from harm or to provide for his basic human needs, (ii) is in need of hospitalization or treatment, and (iii) is unwilling to volunteer or incapable of volunteering for hospitalization or treatment." He threatened harm, the law lets him be locked up. ColdWetDog (752185) I know everyone thinks that this is a punitive move, but at least on the face of it, the psych detention is for diagnostic purposes. We put people in this situation routinely when they are 1) an danger to themselves or others (likely the rationale here) or 2) gravely disabled (think sitting in the middle of the freeway). From the limited info presented, it may well be the most reasonable thing to do. Perhaps he's just blowing off steam. Perhaps he is having a bad day. Or perhaps he has a couple of fully auto M-16s, a couple thousand rounds of ammo, a couple of grenades and maybe some other souvenirs of the Middle East. It's a difficult balance between letting people do what they feel is right and allowing mass murder, even if it's justified to some people's minds. mosb1000 (710161) on Monday August 20, @09:47PM (#41063197) Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong crowd, but this page looks pretty normal to me. 9/11 truth and chemtrails and so fourth. If they were going to lock up everyone with a page like this, it would be tens or hundreds of thousands of people. I don't see a good reason to believe he is mentally disturbed, or that he is going to act out. His detention is alarming, to say the least. Can the Feds now use mental instability as a excuse to lock up anyone they want? Re: Unless the reason was that people that knew him called to say that he needed help. I don't know, I can't look at that because I don't have a facebook login. I had to deactivate it because I kept getting drunk and saying stupid shit on facebook (see what I did there). So, I am more than willing to believe he is harmless...here's hoping that he is checked out, determined to be batshit crazy but harmless...then let go. However, it doesn't bother me at all that they detained him to check him out. Re: There's an image [networkworld.com] of his facebook page in the article, if you'd like to check it out. Re: Sadly in Virginia detention for mental instability is legal. Here's another commenter who understands it better than me. Re:Cue the 1st amendment nuts (Score:4, Insightful) by Firehed (942385) There's clearly a blurry line here trying to distinguish crazed ranting from actual threats. I'm definitely opposed to the idea of "thoughtcrime", but if someone is making real threats that they're in a position to carry out (and I'm guessing an ex-Marine is more qualified than most to do so) it makes sense to step in before real harm is done. But that's also contingent on us being able to actually make a realistic distinction between blowing off steam and actually planning violence. We tend to be overcautious here, but that's societal trends at work.
I call it a rotating dictatorship ...... The way I see it is that their are lots of US families that want to be king for a day (or a term) so they take turns. Their is still a all powerful dictator no matter who is in charge. ................. We might start out by pointing out the obvious at city council meetings... just to remind the rest of the public that the USA has indeed declared civil war upon itself. ____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
was hauled off by authorities from the FBI, Secret Service, and Chesterfield County PD. writing comments critical of the government. Simply a "message" from our "government" to intimadate everyone and anyone who might disagree with our "government." You will be "labeled" at a government "labeling factory" and deemed mentally ill, your life will be destroyed, your business bankrupted, your brain scrambled, your credibility shattered. You will be kidnapped and tortured with brain damaging toxic chemical prescription poisons, called medicines, until you confess that you are "mentally ill" or never see the light of day again, as long as you live.
Overcautious equals paranoia. It is the FBI, the Secret Service, and the Local County police who are "overcautious," paranoid, and thus "mentally ill."
I listened to that interview today also with Raub & Kokesh. Ive never heard him speak before, but Raub seemed particiularly subdued. He claims he's not drugged, im not so sure. he seemed extremely passive. weird, no? i also had time to go over Raub's facebooks posts. its like a summary of whats posted here. the only thing that stands out is that he was planning to do something got more imminent, and thats apparently when/why they picked him up. I highly suggest reading his facebook posts. very interesting. On December 23, 2011, he posted "Fuck the New World Order. I'm bringing it down." but he got more specific as 2012 went on. he posted that his actions, vague as they may be, involved among other things the specifics of quote 'severing heads'; and his RECENT posts in august indicated that his actions were imminent. Also, why did facebook corporation leave up all his supposedly controversial and threatening posts? Guess what. facebook corporation does not leave up posts that violate a law. facebook removes profiles of people involved in crimes relating to their posts. why is this one still there? Either is is some plant, a decoy, to gague reaction of his incarceration in a nuthouse, or he genuinely did go over the bin and posted that he was ''gonna'' do whatever. If the story is as presented on face value, i think they would have a hard time convicting him, which is why he was only put in a nuthouse and not in a jail . i dont think hes been charged with anything. RAUBS FACEBOOK http://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall Here is something from his lawyer The Rutherford Institute "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
I linked to RI from an Oathkeepers email and sent jack to help defeat this thought-crime prosecution. We are all in deep, deep shit if it's not stopped. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
The text below is from Brandon J Raub’s controversial posting on Facebook. We do not yet know if Brandon made any other posts that are also under scrutiny in addition to this one. America has lost itself. We have lost who we truly are. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. This is the land of Thomas Jefferson. This is the land of Benjamin Franklin. This is the land of Fredrick Douglas. This is the land of Smedley Butler. This is the land John F. Kennedy. This is the land of Martin Luther King. This is the land where the cowboy wins. This is the land where you can start from the bottom and get to the top. This is the land where regardless of you race and ethnicity you can suceed and build a better life for you and your family. This is the land where every race coexists peacefully. This is the land where justice wins. This is the land where liberty dwells. This is the land where freedom reigns. This is the land where we help the poor, and people help eachother. This is land where people beat racism. The federal reserve is wrong. They have designed a system based off of gread and fear. They designed a system to crush the middle class between taxes and inflation. This is wrong, and it is unjust. It is wrong. We have allowed ourselves to be devieced and seduced by the powers of the printing press. It is not a good system. It discourages saving: the foundation for all stable economic activity. The federal reserve is artificially manipulating interests rates and creating phony economic data. This thing has decieved our entire nation. They created it 1913. They also created the income tax in 1913. They encouraged the growth of debt so they can tax you on it. There is interest on the debt. Your government is in bed with these people. They want to enslave you to the government so that they can control every aspect of your lives. It is an empire based on lies. They operate of greed and fear. There is a better way. It’s called freedom. Freedom is called a lot of things. But there is a true meaning. It means very simply that you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you are not infringing on the feedoms of other people. I firmly believe that God set America apart from the other nations of the world. He saved a place where people could come to to escape bad systems of goverment. This system we have created works. It really works. There is evil going on all around the world. The United States was meant to lead the charge against injustice, but through our example not our force. People do not respond to having liberty and freedom forced on them. Men and Women follow courage. They follow leadership, and courage. Our example has paved the way for people all around the world to change their forms of goverment. Force is not the way because liberty is a powerful concept. The idea that men can govern themselves is the basis for every just form of government. We can govern ourselves. We do not need to be governed by men who want to install a one world banking system. These men have machine hearts. Machine and unnatural hearts. They have blocked out the possibility of a better world. They fear human progress. They have monopolies on everything. This life can be free and beautiful. There are enough resources on this earth to support the world’s population. There are enough resources on this earth to feed everyone. There is enough land for everyone to own their own land and farm, and produce their own energy. These people have been hiding technology. There are ways to create power easily. There is technology that can provide free cheap power for everyone. There are farming techniques that can feed the entire world. They are controlling your media. They have dumbed you down through your school systems. They have systematically dismantled the constitution. It is in rags. The bill of rights is being systematically dismantled. Men have spilled their blood for those rights. Your sons and daughters, your brothers and sisters, and Americas best young men and women are loosing their limbs. They are loosing their lives. They are loosing the hearts. They do not know why they are fighting. They are killing. And they do not know why. They have done some extroadinary acts. Their deeds go before them. But these wars are lies. They are lies. They decieved our entire nation with terrorism. They have gotten us to hand them our rights. Our Rights! Men died for those rights! September Eleventh was an inside job. They blew up a third building in broad daylight. Building 7. Your leaders betrayed you. You elected an aristocracy. They are beholden to special interests. They were brainwashed through the Council on Foreign Relations. Your leaders are planning to merge the United States into a one world banking system. They want to put computer chips in you. These men have evil hearts. They have tricked you into supporting corporate facism. We gave them the keys to our country. We were not vigilant with our republic. There is hope. BUT WE MUST TAKE OUR REPUBLIC BACK. libertycrier.com/u-s-cons...rine-arrested-by-fbi-for- patriotic-facebook-posts/ Judge for yourself. Spot-on correct on all counts. (Clearly, he must be locked away for such thinking.) I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them ~ Thomas Jefferson
He's too intelligent and articulate to be "mentally ill," and he's absolutely right on all counts. Could it be, that Brandon J. Raub knows too much? Such as embarrassing information to the Government and the military which he hasn't posted on Facebook, or perhaps confidential info which he actually did post, and has been censored and deleted.?
Could it be, that Brandon J. Raub knows too much? Such as embarrassing information to the Government and the military which he hasn't posted on Facebook, or perhaps confidential info which he actually did post, and has been censored and deleted.? I think his friend got it right. The PTB are walking a fine line between trying to glorify the military [need the cannon fodder for "Israel"] and discredit it at the same time. Remember, veterans are now considered "extremists, and terrorists" according to such towering groups as the ADL and the SPLC. Veterans who have fought for "freedom" and returned only to realize the jackboots have taken over, are a real threat to the PTB. When they see through the Matrix, they have to be discredited by impounding at the funny farm. They did it to Ezra Pound, Stephen Ames, Fritz Springmeir, to name a few. Great article that ties in with this: “They Live”, the Weird Movie With a Powerful Message Vigilant Citizen – Vigilant http://Citizen.com April 17, 2012 ‘They Live’ is a science-fiction movie from the Eighties that features aliens, a WWF wrestler and a whole lot of sunglasses. What’s not to like? While, at first glance, the movie appears to be a bunch of nonsense, ‘They Live’ actually communicates a powerful message about the elite and its use of mass media to control the masses. Is the movie describing what we call the Illuminati? This article looks at the deeper meaning of John Carpenter’s strange but fascinating movie ‘They Live’. "....On a wall inside the church is written "They Live We Sleep", a phrase that describes the fundamental difference between the elite and the masses. Those in power know the truth about the world and possess the means and the power to truly "live". The rest of the population is sedated, dumbed-down and manipulated into a zombie-like status in order for it to be as easily manageable as possible by the masters. The masses' ignorance equals a state of endless slumber. Nada learns that the rebellious organization is attempting to recruit people to take down the rulers. However, a few days later, Nada discovers what happens to those who plot against those in power. Helicopters, bulldozers and police in riot gear raid the place, destroy everything and violently arrest the members of the underground organization. That is how the elite responds to contrary views. After witnessing the violent police shakedown, Nada begins to realize that something is wrong in America. The happy-go-lucky guy who believed in working hard and following the rules is starting to believe that something is amiss here. Determined to learn more, Nada re-enters the church and finds a few interesting things. The police painted over "They Live We Sleep". Obviously, "They" don't want that message to be known. More importantly, Nada discovers a box full of sunglasses that allows his to see the world as it is. Added bonus: They also look pretty cool. Seeing the Truth While the sunglasses found by Nada appear on the surface to be worthless, they actually provide him with the greatest gift of all: The Truth. When Nada first puts on the sunglasses, the experience is shocking. When he has his sunglasses on, Nada sees through the smoke and mirrors projected by advertisement and mass media . He only sees the core of their message and the only reason why they exist. No matter which magazine Nada flips open, he sees the same subliminal messages, which tells a lot about the true function of “celebrity” and “fashion” magazines. Despite the fact that they are all different, they all ultimately serve the same purpose: To reinforce messages from the elite to the masses. Nada also quickly understands the truth about money. Nada’s most shocking discovery concerns people around him. Some people are not human. They are from another race that has infiltrated society. Nada realizes that they are everywhere and that they hold positions of power, like this politician giving a typical "politician" speech on television. Is this a way to portray the Illuminati? Upon discovering this truth, Nada became pissed off. REALLY pissed off. How did he react to the situation? He did not go home and write a poem about it. Nope, he grabbed a shotgun and started shooting aliens. When the aliens realize that Nada can see through their disguise, they immediately alert the authorities saying “I’ve got one that can see”. Being able to “see” is obviously frowned upon by the aliens – they do not like to be exposed. Nada quickly becomes a social pariah and aliens start closing in on him. Confronted with this situation, Nada says profound and timeless words: “I don’t like this ooooooooone bit”........ During the meeting, Nada and Frank are given truth-seeing contact lenses. The sunglasses gave truth-seers a nasty headache, especially when they are taken off. When first exposed to the truth, adapting to the new reality can indeed be difficult, and even painful. However, after a while, it becomes seamless part of the person. A little like wearing contact lenses. During the meeting, Nada and Frank learn that humans are being recruited by the aliens in exchange for wealth and power. As the leader of the underground organization says: “Most of us just sell out right away”. It is rather easy to make a correlation between the movie and actual politicians and celebrities we’ve seen in previous articles on this site who readily sell out to the Illuminati in exchange for wealth, power and celebrity. The meeting doesn’t last long, however, as police barge in the place and start shooting everyone there. They are designated a “terrorist organization” by the elite......" Read entire article here: www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=47163 They Live By wmw_admin on August 19, 2012 Introduction – August 18, 2012 Somewhat dated and clichéd, ‘They Live’ is nonetheless something of a cinematic gem. Although some will no doubt accuse it of being ‘anti-Semitic’, ‘They Live’ may well be a work of modern day prophecy. Sure it may seem a little dated but look beyond the obvious and you’ll find that John Carpenter’s movie echoes many modern-day concerns. Vigilant Citizen offers his insightful analysis on the movie here. However, for those with an hour or so too spare, the link here offers access to view what we consider a modern day classic...... www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=54716 "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Jesus speaking parables about the Kingdom of Heaven: Matthew 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. bible.cc/matthew/13-25.htm time to wake up.... Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion [Psalm 2:6 : http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/ ]; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city:...... bible.cc/isaiah/52-1.htm "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Yes, I did read those facebook postings that were saved as screenshots and reposted by indy media outlets. But what I am saying is that in addition to those scant ones above, I logged onto facebook and read many, many many more older facebook postings direct from the source, not second or 3rd hand. in their entirety, the posts are interesting and the topics addressed are much different than whats posted here, other than the "severing heads" part. his lawyer now claims that his posts were part of some video game called illuminate, and a judge released him from the nuthouse. "Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Very interesting, Artisan. You don't have link, do you?? yes, i put the link to Raub's facebook wall in my reply #9. Although similar to twitter, you may have to be logged into facebook to view it. i am not sure. try it.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
in my reply 17 above, i wrote "and the topics addressed are much different than whats posted here", but i meant to say and the topics addressed are NOT much different than whats posted here. ;-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
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"Satan / Cheney in "08"
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So I think our system of government is something akin to a presidential military dictatorship.
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Brandon Raub
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We tend to be overcautious here,
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He's too intelligent and articulate to be "mentally ill," and he's absolutely right on all counts.
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On a wall inside the church is written "They Live We Sleep", a phrase that describes the fundamental difference between the elite and the masses. Those in power know the truth about the world and possess the means and the power to truly "live". The rest of the population is sedated, dumbed-down and manipulated into a zombie-like status in order for it to be as easily manageable as possible by the masters. The masses' ignorance equals a state of endless slumber.
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