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Title: How 9/11 Was Done
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Published: Sep 3, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-09-03 14:09:24 by tom007
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How 9/11 Was Done For additional notes see the accompanying blog 911notes.blogspot.com. Prologue Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11. 9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad. Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11. Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed. Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center. The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999. Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late. Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently. *** Please save this page to your local hard drive *** This blog is the verbal expression of an adaptive learning process. Please come back regularly. Core Argument Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal. In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates: 1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition 2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business. Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story. Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn? Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This blog’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This blog is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
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#27. To: Cynicom (#24)
Cyni, really. if there was nothing to hide and if, in fact, the AA 757 was the jet that flew into the Pentagon, why on earth would the government not show the films from the various surveillance cameras in the area and, instead, confiscate and hide them? How on earth could 19 cave dwellers cause NORAD to stand down over the most protected airspace in the world? Let me show you my husband's post to an acquaintance who believes the Official Fairy Tale. It follows: I usually try to stay away from posting comments on discussion threads as I have found that doing so is a waste of time. Trying to influence someone's already established opinion is not worth the time or effort, as the chance of actually changing another's opinion is infinitesimally small. As such, I am not trying change yours or anyone's opinions about the events of 9/11/01, but rather I would like to share the legitimate questions that I have, as do many others, so that we won't be labeled as conspiracy theorists and "fools" as you have called some who do have questions remaining. I have done an internet search on the percentage of Americans who do not believe the official story of 9/11 and I have found many headlines and articles, such as the one below: Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story Only 16% now believe official fable according to New York Times/CBS News poll Most of the polls range from over 50% to close to 90% of nonbelievers. Moreover, the percentages of doubting citizens in other countries are even higher than in the U.S. I, too, have found that there many gaps in the government's official version of the events of 9/11. First of all, the government has stated that right up until the moment that the planes struck the buildings, the government had no idea what was happening -- that they did not intercede because they were caught by surprise. Yet, within 24 hours, they had all of the answers and details of what just went down. They knew the names of all the "players", which countries they were from, where they got their training, etc. Yet, for example, at some third-rate crime scene, it may takes months to collect and analyze evidence before an official theory of what happened is proffered. It even took over 3 weeks for the public to find out what caused the deaths of Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston; and here in Austin, the authorities still don't know all of the details in the Yogurt Shop murders. But with 9/11, the government knew everything within hours of the crime; and now, 11 years later, there has been essentially nothing new added to the story. The story was complete almost immediately. That seemed a little too pat to me. My wife (Christine) and I have taken the time to independently research this subject in some breadth and depth, including our attendance at two separate 2-day seminars that analyzed the events of 9/11. The second seminar was about 16-hours in length and was presented by hundreds of licensed engineers and architects, as well as by chemists and physicists with Ph.D.'s, including world renowned researcher, Dr. Steven Jones, a Physics professor at Brigham Young University. The engineers and architects gave various power-point presentations, all of which concluded with the opinion that Buildings 1 and 2 could not have collapsed as they did solely because of the impact and subsequent fire caused by the airplanes. Moreover, Building 7 (a 47-story steel-structured building) collapsed at about 5 PM that afternoon and it was not hit by an airplane. Some of the points that were presented in the seminar were very interesting, and they raised questions about the government's version of events -- events that were not explainable by the laws of chemistry, physics, or logic. The engineers gave their presentations using an overhead projector. They had actual building/construction plans for Bldgs. 1 and 2. They explained that the Buildings' construction was specifically designed to withstand the impact and/or fire that could be caused by wind, lightning, an earthquake, or an airplane's impact. They stated that an airplane hitting and even penetrating the Buildings would cause no more structural damage than, for example, a sharp object going through a screen or mosquito netting -- that the object might put a hole in the screen, but it would not cause the screen to collapse. So, that led to their analysis of the subsequent fire potentially causing the collapse. They stated that jet fuel does not allow for a fire above a temperature of about 1500 degrees and that the steel columns in the building would not start to stress until the temperature got to about 2700-2900 degrees. Also, heat rises, so the temperature would be dissipating upwards and not downwards to cause a collapse from below. And even if the jet fuel burned at a temperature of 2900, the steel beams would bend and potentially cause a pancake/gravity collapse where every lower floor would cause resistance for the floors above them, which would slow the speed of the collapse. In the seminar, they gave the height of the buildings and then put a stopwatch to the collapse, which indicated that the collapse occurred at virtually free-fall speed, which could not have happened even if the plane and fire stressed the building enough to collapse it. Also, the professor of physics, Steven Jones, presented his findings. He had gotten a sample of the site's molten metal from the steel beams. He found the presence of nano-thermite, which is the substance used in controlled demolitions because it is the one substance that, as stated by Jones, "...will slice through steel like a sharp knife through soft butter..." Also, in attendance at both seminars was a man named, Willie Rodriguez. He was the chief custodian at the World Trade Center buildings for 29 years. He said that he knew every inch of those 2 buildings. He also said that, for several weeks before 9/11, mysteriously he was not allowed to be on certain floors. This had never happened to him before. Rodriguez also stated that he, along with other workers, were in a basement before the planes hit the building; and that they heard and felt explosions going off in subbasements below them. He said that one explosion caused their feet to be lifted off the floor. He later concluded that those explosions served to soften-up the substructure which helped the buildings to collapse later. Also, we watched a video of the Building's owner (Larry Silverstein) say that fires had caused significant damage to Bldg 7 on 9/11, so they discussed the possibility of bringing the building down. He said, "...later that day, they made the decision to pull it, and we watched the building come down...". Silverstein thereby admitted that the Building 7 was imploded. The seminar experts reported that it would have taken months to go through the process of getting permits and then actually wiring a building that size with demolition charges. So it became obvious that the building was already wired. Why? Did Silverstein already know that his building was pre-wired with demolition charges? Who else knew? But here is the critical question: what is the government's (not Silverstein's) official explanation for how and why Building 7 came down. I have never heard or read the government's explanation. I don't want anyone's opinion (expert or layman) of how it came down. I want the government's explanation because I've never heard it. I don't know of anyone who has heard or read what the government said about it. If it exists, that's what I would like to hear. Because 9/11 was a major crime scene and Building 7 represents 1/3 of that crime scene. Yet we know nothing about the government's findings (if they exist) on Building 7. Also, with regard to the Pentagon, it is the most surveilled building in the world. Yet we have no acceptable video of what really happened at that site. Even in photographs, I saw a hole in the Pentagon, but I saw no airplane or its wings. I saw no luggage on the ground or dead passengers. I didn't even see that any part of the lawn had been disturbed in front of the hole. So, there are many unanswered questions in my mind. The official explanations have gaps and remain incomplete. Do citizens have a right to question their government? Or, are we only good citizens if we swallow whole everything it feeds us? Is that a recipe for remaining free? Let's think about the consequences of 9/11. Domestically, we have lost many of our rights to privacy and freedom, via Homeland Security, TSA, NDAA, warrant-less wiretaps/searches, etc. Internationally, we have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan -- having spent trillions of dollars. We have had American troops killed and maimed. We initiated war against Iraq, on the premise that Iraq was involved in 9/11 and also had "weapons of mass destruction", but it has now been proven, and admitted by the government, that Iraq never did have WMD and had no involvement in 9/11. We have killed tens of thousands of our alleged enemies, as well as women and children (aka, collateral damage) in Iraq and Afghanistan. All of this based on the government's version of the events of 9/11. I'd say, it's pretty damned important that the government answer all of our questions and stop blowing us off as conspiracy theorists. I'm no conspiracy theorist. I don't have a theory about what happened. The government has the theory. I only have QUESTIONS about what happened; and unfortunately with an insufficiency of answers. I don't want theories, opinions, and answers from lay people, experts, peers, acquaintances, or friends. I want my government to answer my questions -- and it won't. Nor will it answer the questions of 84% of my fellow citizens (as the polls show). But, I guess in your mind, we are "fools" for even asking.
Christine... Somewhere here I posted to tom007 or someone that I found it odd that the twin towers fell within their own footprints. Do I buy 9/11 in its entirety????? Of course not. Do I buy into countless theories of what "really" happened, of course not. The more the event becomes convoluted by endless and erroneous information provided by "experts",the more the governments complicity becomes clouded and hidden. The government welcomes such. If one tries to take but one narrow facet of this event, add a common sense approach to the question, most often the hysteria is false. Example... The aircraft flown into the Pentagon. Using math and law of probability anyone can determine for themselves what happened. If one reads the government transcripts, they list names and home areas of over one hundred people on the ground that saw an aircraft fly into the Pentagon. There were so many eye witnesses that only about fifty were used as they were redundant. Any serious "investigators" have been free for years to do their own questioning of these people. To my knowledge not one person that gave sworn statements, has ever recanted their testimony. The dagger to the heart of this "theory", there was no aircraft, was destroyed, when the landing gear of the aircraft was removed by heavy equipment, for all to see and document. Such simple examples do not deter irrational thinking when a person "wants" to believe otherwise. In my lifetime I have witnessed two large aircraft crashes. When the cleanup was finished for both, what little remained was loaded onto a flatbed truck and hauled away. Four engines, pieces of the tail, bits and pieces, the landing gear, no wings, no fuselage. One has to be sensible, logical, and not run off into dark alleys because they WANT to believe. Do I believe 9/11 was a conspiracy???? Most certainly. Was our government in on it or at least had fore knowledge??? Certainly. Do I believe that what over 100 witnesses saw is all a conspiracy??? Of course not.
It's interesting what you say about "latency". When you watch simulations of the WTC 767 approaches that show the yoke and rudder work involved in hitting these targets, it's apparent that at those speeds considerable piloting skills are involved. Adding the delays in a feedback loop component of remote control would certainly complicate matters. I tried some similar maneuvers at less than half the speed in a four engine simulator some time before 911 and I think what was done that day was accomplished by expert hands. I am of course not an expert, but the flight instructor in this video is. Listen to what he has to say about veteran pilot attempts to recreate the WTC hits. randge... I did my homework on enlightening myself on the term "latency" and the experience that the military acknowledges, about their problems with "remote controlled" flight...not programmed flying. For instance, it is possible for a "pilot" sitting in an armchair in Colorado, flying a remote control aircraft in Pakistan, to suffer vertigo. The military has been very open about their huge losses via accidents etc etc due to remote control. They have been at it for years, performed by highly trained pilots and engineers and they have continual problems. Penetrating the Pentagon at low level did not take anyone with ten thousand flying hours. Plus it stretches common sense to believe that random aircraft were pre programmed or remotely controlled with such ease, yet we are still in the infancy of remote control. Further, Clancy Prevost, local gentleman, that started the investigation PRIOR TO 9/11 never voiced any belief or interest in "remote controlled" as credible. Prevost started the investigation LONG PRIOR TO 9/11. That is how the FBI had "prior knowledge" and they considered Prevost as being paranoid. Prevost had education and experience that exceeded most others. Former Navy pilot, retired airline pilot, years as instructor pilot and he knew something was amiss when all the students WITH NO PREVIOUS FLYING TIME AND WERE ONLY INTEREST IN "FLYING" large jet aircraft, No interest in landing and takeoffs. When Moussaoui paid his bill with eight thousand dollars in cash with non circulated bills, Prevost insisted the FBI take a closer look, that something was being planned. Too many good people have been led down false trails that common sense dictates are false. They need to go back to the very first public inclination that something was amiss. Prevost was the first and foremost qualified person to sense something was going to happen. Arguing endlessly of what hit the Pentagon defies common sense. Just one of the false trails that have obscured reality.
Eye whitnesses are notoriously unreliable. Better to rely on the official NSIT report issued years later for the truth. snark Burning furniture. Seriously, that is what a NSIT suit said on record. Burning furniture - dwell on that for a moment to see what liars are all about. May have been the same NSIT guy who said, straight faced, that there were NO REPORTS OF EXPLOSIONS REPORTED BY ANY SOURCE. And I don't think openly burning jet fuel will reach much more than 700 F. Snoora seems an expert. Ask her - She knows the godless Arabs did it. And we should get a donation jar going for poor Larry Silverstien who took a huge loss from all that gold from WTC 7. Israel did this to the United States People. We are all Gaza now, we may just not yet realize it. Yet. Hi C, Another factoid. As C has told Rodregis (sp) a long time employee of the WTC, stated he was denied access to parts of the building for w few weeks before 9-11. Paul Bremmer, the future King of Iraq, had his office in the blacked out part of the tower. On 9-11 Paul was not at his office - he was in NYC that morning at the major TV networks being interviewed, as the buildings were burning, as saying Iraq and Saddam were responsible for the attack. Additionally broadcast in the world's media were a phony video of the "Laughing Palistine Womens" presented as news to show how the Palistines were gleeful for the attacks. Who would have done such a dispicable piece of slander, I wonder? Better to rely on the official NSIT report issued years later for the truth. snark In that context yes. People believe the man that was there, as do I, yet the same people say the 120 people that saw an American airliner fly into the Pentagon are unreliable or dishonest. Therein is the crux of this problem. Believe one when it fits, disbelieve 120 when it does not fit with a desired outcome.
NIST actually addressed Bldg 7 and said the cause was burning furniture? And how did the furniture ignite in a couple of offices only, btw. It is just mindblowing what people will allow this lying government to get away with and do NO CRITICAL THINKING OR ANALYSIS of their own. It makes me furious!
excellent video. i hadn't seen that one before.
Christine... Do I believe the three building were "brought" down???? Yes indeed I do. However I have zero expertise as to how and by whom and in that mode I refuse to be led down false trails that serve no one but this government. Experts that sell their views because they are experts but were not there have to be weighed with caution.
I am taking account of all you say about the remote control of aircraft. It is all quite credible. What I don't find credible is the proposition that amateurs were at the controls of those Boeing aircraft. In both the Pentagon and thed WTC attacks the aircraft were operating at or outside of the design limits for aircraft of their type & at that altitude. There was some flying done that day, and it wasn't done by some yokels who didn't have time to learn how to land multi-engine aircraft. Honestly, Cyni, I don't claim to know what transpired that day, but I know when things don't add up. we all have to decide for ourselves what makes SENSE to us. after having viewed the video that randge posted, i'm even more convinced that it was not possible for a 757 to be flown into the Pentagon. i believe the witnesses saw something, but it wasn't a 757. there are also eyewitnesses who give testimony which contradicts those who say they saw an AA jetliner.
i wholeheartedly agree.
The implications are enormous.
randge... It is indeed very credible. Back in my day, it was desirable for bomber crews to have others besides the two pilots that could "fly" the aircraft if circumstances forced the issue. In my case, the bombardier and the flight engineer both could and did fly the aircraft. Make a takeoff or landing? No. Crash landing or ditching, yes. What is so different from a crash landing with gear up or a ditching, than what those people did? Also these men were not camel drivers picked up from the Sahara. The main one had degrees in mathematics and his father was a noted surgeon in Egypt. These days the majority of flight training in via simulator, as actual flight time is very expensive.
Yeah, I know a loadmaster who as a master sergeant flew C-130s over the Atlantic while the officers caught some nap time. But this wasn't just keeping the wingtips level, Cyni. Check for yourself the speed and altitude at which these planes were being tasked to perform. They were flying MUCH faster at sea level than they were designed to be flown. Those Boeings would have been quite a handful, even for an experienced pilot. Let me know what you think of the video that I posted. You must not have been paying much attention then over the past 11 years to any of the facts related to what those aircraft did that day. It is physically impossible for a 757 to have flown the way it did into the Pentagon. This is due to ground effect and the fact that it came from tree top level down to ground level and FLEW at ground level over the lawn till it hit the bottom floor of the Pentagon and INTO the Pentagon at over 500 mph. Do you know anything at all about aerodynmamic Cyni? Have you even read anything at all about the fact the alleged "pilot", Hani Hanjour, had been kicked out of flight school because he basically "could not fly at all"? Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire 9/11-The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft Without Training What it comes down to is that Flight 77, IF piloted by Hanjour, would have simply dived into the Pentagon from the side the aircraft approached it rather than spiraling down to tree top level and hitting the Pentagon on the opposite side, especially since the approach had first lined it up with the side containing Rumsfeld's office. The actual impact was into a recently reinforced wall of the Pentagon, and was infinitely more difficult to achieve than a what a simple dive from the original approach would have accomplished. Implications of the Part of the Pentagon Struck on September 11th That's besides all the other aspects of flight that would be beyond any of the so-called "hijackers", many of whom are still alive and well, as per the BBC and other global news agencies. Any serious "investigators" have been free for years to do their own questioning of these people. To my knowledge not one person that gave sworn statements, has ever recanted their testimony. There have been some which said the plane hit the lawn and spun into the Pentagon. That of course did not happen. Hate to be the one to tell you this Cyni, but people DO lie. PS: Note the team of individuals exiting a bus at 0:44 into the video. Note the large bags they are carrying, stuffed to the gills with SOMETHING. Hmmm, might that something be the "parts" that they claim to have "found" on the lawn later that day? According to WHO Cyni, YOU? What is the basis of your opinion? A simple hunch? It was physically IMPOSSIBLE for a 757 to have flown into the ground level of the Pentagon at the speed that it did, and if you have any desire to really understand that, the math and science is readily available. A CRUISE missile on the other hand CAN accomplish that sort of flight and COULD have been what actually hit the Pentagon. That, or a remote controlled fighter jet may have been used. Either could have been painted to appear as a American Airlines passenger jet. Thing is Cyni, you apparently have taken the bait and followed those false trails, while ignoring the REAL trails since you think those real trails are false. Cyni, are you even aware of the fact that some of the 9/11 "pilots" are still alive? Hijack 'suspects' alive and well [BBC] Revealed: the men with stolen identities [The Telegraph - UK] MANY 9- 11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE. One other thing Cyni. Are you aware of the hard data concerning Mossad agents linked to the events of that day?
And that they were let out of the US shows the depth of jewish corruption extant in the DOJ. A "crash landing" is not done at full throttle while accelerating to the maximum speed of the aircraft. It is done by reducing the throttle to landing speed, and keeping the nose up till the tail is about to hit the ground, and THEN levelling off. Flight 77 was effectively "landed" on the Pentagon lawn while flying at over 500 mph with the nose level, which is impossible. And to top it off, not one engine or wing tip kissed the ground during this amazing feat. Pretty damn good for a pilot who "couldn't fly at all", eh? It isn't just the DOJ, the orders to release them had to come from the top. Not to mention that the news media did not question this rather odd development whatsoever. What this gentleman saw, was witnessed by hundreds of other people from all walks of life. I forgot to mention that the "pilot" of this rogue aircraft had been licensed as a commercial pilot by the FAA since 1999. Not an amatuer.
Again, check the FAA records, the pilot had been a professional commercial pilot since 1999.
Exactly. I forgot to mention that the "pilot" of this rogue aircraft had been licensed as a commercial pilot by the FAA since 1999. Not an amatuer. Thing is, his flight instructors called the FAA to find out if his license was real, since he was not qualified to possess it. Besides the fact he couldn't fly an airplane, he could barely speak or understand English, and speaking English is a prerequisite for an FAA license. From How the FBI and 9/11 Commission Suppressed Key Evidence about Hani Hanjour But it wasn’t just his poor English that failed to impress. In his evaluation the Jet Tech flight instructor wrote that the “student [Hanjour] made numerous errors during his performance and displayed a lack of understanding of some basic concepts. The same was true during review of systems knowledge….I doubt his ability to pass an FAA [Boeing 737] oral at this time or in the near future.” The 737 instructor concluded his evaluation with a final entry: “He [Hanjour] will need much more experience flying smaller A/C [aircraft] before he is ready to master large jets.”[9] The 9/11 Commission Report fails to discuss or even mention this negative written evaluation, even while presenting Hanjour’s substandard performance in a Boeing 737 simulator as sufficient evidence that Hanjour could fly a Boeing 757, an even larger plane![10] The wording of the final report succeeds in giving this impression, however dubious, even while obscuring the facts: an amazing achievement of propaganda. Early in 2001, Peggy Chevrette, the operation manager at Jet Tech, repeatedly conveyed her concerns about Hanjour to the FAA. Eventually John Anthony, a federal inspector, showed up at the school and examined Hanjour’s credentials. But Anthony found them in order and took no further action. The inspector even suggested that Jet Tech provide Hanjour with an interpreter. This surprised Chevrette because it was a violation of FAA rules. “The thing that really concerned me,” she later told FOX News, “Was that John had a conversation in the hallway with Hani and realized what his skills were at that point and his ability to speak English.”[11] Evidently, the inspector also sat in on a class with Hanjour. Show me some documented proof of his flight experience. You will find NO "professional experience", since the man couldn't even fly a single engine plane. Apparently he was handed this "license" as part of the "Legend". From Wiki No, you need to do your own homework, it is sadly lacking. If you desire to have the information, call or write to FAA HQ in Washington, they will be happy to provide you with the proper office for such information. That information will give you the names of his instructors, the name of the flight school and the FAA examiners that certified him for a commercial license. Of course all of those people nearly fifteen years ago were probaly in on the event??? Right?? eh????
What it comes down to Cyni is that you're saying Hanjour, who couldn't fly at all, pulled off a physically impossible feat with a large multi-engine aircraft. Besides, there were no Arabs onboard Flight 77... Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77 [Edited: provided more detailed info at updated link] Perhaps Allah did it for him by him praying from his apartment that morning, eh? You are projecting Cyni. You have ZERO proof that Hanjour could fly, yet you attribute him with superhuman abilities to pull off the impossible. If you bothered to look at all, the comments of his flight instructors are there for the world to see. The man COULD NOT FLY AT ALL. If I were an investigator with the power to pry into official government records, I'd more than likely hit a brick wall when delving into the identity of the person who handed Hanjour his "commerical license". The identity would more than likely turn out to be fake, or that of a person who "recently passed away". It is YOU who claims to have first hand knowledge of the fact this dolt who couldn't fly at all had "professional experience" as a commerical pilot. So go ahead, name the companies he flew for as a commercial pilot. 9/11 was flown by human hands. And the proof of this assertion is? Because the Nightly Nooze said so? Because the White House Spokesliar said so? The U.S. Government has never provided one iota of solid information tying the 19 magickal Ayerabs nor Osama Bin Dead since 2001 to the events of 9/11/2001. None, nada, zeeeeeeeero. It has all been done by assertion and pronouncement repeated over and over and over. BUT, where's the beef? Point of interest... In testimony by FAA radar controllers who were watching the aircraft on radar, they stated they considered the aircraft to being flown by someone of superior piloting skill because of the maneuvers executed. (humor) Of course the aircraft could have been flown by the American Captain, who was not aboard but rather sitting in a casino in Las Vegas, with a remote joy stick.) Hey, anything is possible, right????
There was no plane. wud... If someone offers expert proof that there was NO Pentagon involved, I will give up. This is interesting as the government doles out disinformation to con the troops. "Ever since this "no-plane" theory has been planted on the 9-11 truth movement, the corporate media inevitably seizes on it as a means to ridicule those who do not accept the official story of 9-11. One obvious example is the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics, which used the "no-plane" theory to summarily dismiss any and all doubters of the official story as a munch of nuts that all correct-thinking loyal Americans should ever listen to. Which is what the no-plane hoax is intended to do".
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#28. To: christine, tom007, randge, Lod (#27)
#29. To: Cynicom (#28)
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#30. To: randge, Christine, Lod (#29)
#31. To: christine (#27)
Also, in attendance at both seminars was a man named, Willie Rodriguez. He was the chief custodian at the World Trade Center buildings for 29 years. He said that he knew every inch of those 2 buildings. He also said that, for several weeks before 9/11, mysteriously he was not allowed to be on certain floors. This had never happened to him before. Rodriguez also stated that he, along with other workers, were in a basement before the planes hit the building; and that they heard and felt explosions going off in subbasements below them. He said that one explosion caused their feet to be lifted off the floor. He later concluded that those explosions served to soften-up the substructure which helped the buildings to collapse later.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#32. To: christine (#27)
But here is the critical question: what is the government's (not Silverstein's) official explanation for how and why Building 7 came down. I
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#33. To: christine (#27)
Or, are we only good citizens if we swallow whole everything it feeds us? Is that a recipe for remaining free?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#34. To: Cynicom (#28)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#35. To: tom007 (#31)
Eye whitnesses are notoriously unreliable.
#36. To: tom007 (#32)
#37. To: randge (#29)
#38. To: christine, tom007 (#36)
#39. To: Cynicom (#30)
#40. To: Cynicom (#30)
Just one of the false trails that have obscured reality.
#41. To: randge (#39)
Honestly, Cyni, I don't claim to know what transpired that day, but I know when things don't add up.
#42. To: christine (#41)
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#43. To: randge, Christine (#39)
What I don't find credible is the proposition that amateurs were at the controls of those Boeing aircraft.
#44. To: Cynicom (#43)
#45. To: Cynicom, *9-11* (#24)
I do not recall any flying that day that could not have been accomplished by anyone with rudimentary flying skills.
[Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: Cynicom, christine, tom007, randge, Lod (#28)
Using math and law of probability anyone can determine for themselves what happened. If one reads the government transcripts, they list names and home areas of over one hundred people on the ground that saw an aircraft fly into the Pentagon. There were so many eye witnesses that only about fifty were used as they were redundant.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: Cynicom, randge, Christine, Lod (#30)
Penetrating the Pentagon at low level did not take anyone with ten thousand flying hours
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#48. To: Cynicom (#30)
Just one of the false trails that have obscured reality.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: Cynicom (#43)
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Also these men were not camel drivers picked up from the Sahara. The main one had degrees in mathematics and his father was a noted surgeon in Egypt
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: Cynicom, *9-11* (#30)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#50)
Are you aware of the hard data concerning Mossad agents linked to the events of that day?
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#52. To: Cynicom (#43)
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What is so different from a crash landing with gear up or a ditching, than what those people did?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#53. To: tom007 (#51)
And that they were let out of the US shows the depth of jewish corruption extant in the DOJ.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#54. To: FormerLurker, christine, (#49)
USA Today reporter Mike Walter was driving on Washington Boulevard when he witnessed the crash, which he recounted, "I looked out my window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.' And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right there and slammed right into the Pentagon"
#55. To: FormerLurker, randge, Christine (#52)
. Pretty damn good for a pilot who "couldn't fly at all", eh?
#56. To: Cynicom (#54)
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And I saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings.
Later, Hanjour’s horrible English prompted one flight school, Jet Tech, to question the authenticity of his FAA-approved pilot’s license. Jet Tech was another school in the Phoenix area where Hanjour sought continuing instruction. Peggy Chevrette, operation manager at Jet Tech, later told FOX News: “I couldn’t believe that he had a license of any kind with the skills that he had.”[8] She explained that Hanjour’s English was so bad it took him five hours to complete an oral exam that normally should have taken about two.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: Cynicom (#55)
Again, check the FAA records, the pilot had been a professional commercial pilot since 1999.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#58. To: Cynicom (#55)
Again, check the FAA records, the pilot had been a professional commercial pilot since 1999.
In larger networks the organization can be complex with many methods to avoid detection, including clandestine cell systems. Often the players have never met. Case officers are stationed in foreign countries to recruit and to supervise intelligence agents, who in turn spy on targets in their countries where they are assigned. A spy need not be a citizen of the target country - hence does not automatically commit treason when operating within it. While the more common practice is to recruit a person already trusted with access to sensitive information, sometimes a person with a well-prepared synthetic identity, called a Legend in tradecraft, may attempt to infiltrate a target organization.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: FormerLurker, Christine, randge (#57)
Show me some documented proof of his flight experience.
#60. To: Cynicom (#55)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: Cynicom (#59)
No, you need to do your own homework, it is sadly lacking.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: Cynicom (#59)
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That information will give you the names of his instructors, the name of the flight school and the FAA examiners that certified him for a commercial license.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#63. To: Cynicom (#59)
If you desire to have the information, call or write to FAA HQ in Washington, they will be happy to provide you with the proper office for such information.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#64. To: Cynicom, randge (#22)
Have you never heard of drones or UAVs?
#65. To: Original_Intent, randge, Christine (#64)
9/11 was flown by human hands.
#66. To: Cynicom (#65)
imagine
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry
#67. To: wudidiz (#66)
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