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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
Author: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-inter
Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat?

Fan would feel much better if he were a Fan of Salma Hayek.
She has a calming effect on men that are troubled.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 9:56:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: Cynicom (#81)
Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????
People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful.

Cowards like to make see-through excuses and run away when they've been cornered instead of manning up and admitting they were wrong or admitting defeat or just outright saying that they no longer want to argue the issue.
You fool no one.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit because he doesn't come over and break your window - unknown

I WITHDRAW MY CONSENT!
Any perceived compliance with unconstitutional “laws” or orders put forth by government employees is NOT recognition of their authority; it is simply the result of carefully calculated submission to an entity exhibiting superior firepower.
F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2012-09-26 10:27:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: Cynicom (#83)
The comments coming from so many on all the forums on the internet sure do lend insight to the whys and wherefores of this country's status.
So many attack when opinions differ, yet few offer up anything worth considering for solving today's problems. Insults and name calling come fast and furious, but too few have, can or will hold rational discussions.
There is so much to be learned from history as well as from the views and opinions of those we share space with on this earth. There is little to be gained from challenging the rights of others to differ.
Rational and respectful discussion can bring not only enlightening knowledge, but acceptable compromise. Irrational and disrespectful communication not only encourages silence, but also limits ideas, views and suggestions that could well lead to excellent solutions, not just mediocre attempts at "putting out fires".
I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.

Phant2000 posted on 2012-09-26 10:45:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, All (#84)
Fan...
If you do not have affinity for Salma Hayek, we can never be friends.
Of course, if you are female, I could understand a dislike for Salma.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 11:31:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: Phant2000, Cynicom (#85)
I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.

How to phrase this question for Cynicom without rankling him by using the word "you"...I'm gonna venture going with this: Is Kissinger an alumni of the Cynicom Class of Civility?
Henry Kissinger Says Luke Rudkowski Is A Sick Person for Questioning Him on NSM 200
video

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 11:38:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000 (#87)
Henry...
I recall in real time the appearance of this evil person.
Henry like von Mises, Hayeks and others were the offspring of the Rockefeller money.

Henry was a nobody,enlisted person in the military, suspected Russian spy with the code name of Bor. He was a nobody, going nowhere until Nelson Rockefeller bought and paid for him.
When Henry was turned loose into the political arena, Rockefeller gave him $50,000 cash to tide him over until a "position" was found for him.
Anyone that read his """best seller""""" Nuclear weapons and Foreign Policy"""" knew he was another Ayn Rand in the making.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 11:55:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Cynicom (#88)
There is a picture of Kissinger eating his own boogers.
That's the least of his problems, the mass-murdering bastid.
I sense a disturbance in the farce. Much gnashing will ensue.
Turtle posted on 2012-09-26 12:00:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: Turtle (#89)
There is a picture of Kissinger eating his own boogers.

I recall that also.
A friend of mine referred to Henry as, "a dirty bag of money sitting in a chair".
Like Rand, Henry could babble on for hours and say nothing.
Another Rockefeller Jew lackey foisted upon the citizens of this country.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 12:06:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: Cynicom (#88)
suspected Russian spy with the code name of Bor.

That says something treasonous about G.W. Bush's selection of Kissinger to commandeer the 9/11 Commission.
9-11 Commission - Wikipedia

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, also known as the 9/11 Commission, was set up on November 27, 2002, "to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11 attacks", including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks.
[sic]
The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States was established on November 27, 2002, by President George W. Bush and the United States Congress, with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger initially appointed to head the commission.[2] However, Kissinger resigned only weeks after being appointed, because he would have been obliged to disclose the clients of his private consulting business.[3]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 12:23:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: GreyLmist (#91)
Grey...
If you have time to waste, read Kissingers book. I read it when very young and came away with one thought in mind. What did he say and what in hell is he talking about.
Henry can babble on endlessly and say nothing.
Turtle reminded us of one of his bad habits, I seem to recall from somewhere in the past that Henry also had body odor.
I am gonna look up Salma Hayek and forget you and Fan even exist.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 12:40:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: Cynicom, All (#88)
... Nelson Rockefeller bought and paid for him.

I can vouch for the truth of the Rockefeller/Kissinger relationship ... like "up close and personal"!!!
Personal observation: Birds of a feather stick together ... and stink always follows stink!!!

Phant2000 posted on 2012-09-26 12:59:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: Cynicom (#92)
and forget you and Fan even exist.

Is that so? Well then, just don't go forgetting that in reality holograms do exist.
John Lear - 9/11 & Strategic Perception Management

Until we meet again here...
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 15:32:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: GreyLmist (#94)
Lear mixes truth with fiction. Those impacts at the WTC most certainly weren't holograms, and to my knowledge, holograms appear transparent, not as solid objects.
It would be especially difficult if not impossible for a hologram to be visible in bright daylight from miles away, and then there's the matter of the impact damage itself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-26 15:44:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#95)
to my knowledge, holograms appear transparent, not as solid objects.

CNN Shows Off Hologram Technology - Presidential Election 2008
Uploaded by ArchangelSandalphon on Nov 4, 2008
Jessica Yellin shows up on CNN New York from Chigago in a hologram

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 15:49:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: GreyLmist (#96)
What can be done in a darkened TV studio is not the same as what can be done in daylit skies over Manhatten, visible from tens of miles away.
That and I doubt that CNN video was made without a bit of video enhancement, yet the image is still fuzzy on the edges and appears two dimensional.
But the primary factor is that the image is stationary, it is not moving across miles of sky, and if anything, it appears fake. In other words, I question whether it was just a video superimposition rather than a bonafide hologram.
IF it were real, the technology required to project a hologram in a stationary location within a darkened studio isn't super sophisticated compared to what would be required for a daylight projection in the skies of Manhatten moving at a speed identical to that of an airliner.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-26 16:29:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: GreyLmist (#96)
One other thing GL, since when do you trust CNN to be giving you truthful information?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-26 16:37:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: FormerLurker (#98)
One other thing GL, since when do you trust CNN to be giving you truthful information?

Since when don't you trust CNN/MSM video on 9/11 imagery issues?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 17:02:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: FormerLurker (#97)
I know you dislike John Lear but give him a fair hearing through his History and Future of Television testimonial:
John Lear - Vanishing Planes & Holographs
Uploaded by graflok on May 29, 2008

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 17:16:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: GreyLmist (#99)
Since when don't you trust CNN/MSM video on 9/11 imagery issues?

Thing is, it wasn't just CNN which had live video from 9/11, it was all the other networks airing simultaneously, including international networks such as the BBC.
Besides, for the reasons mentioned it is pretty much impossible that the flight of the aircraft could be faked with a hologram.
It borders on science fiction, whereas the remote controlled plane theory isn't within that realm, it is actually quite possible and plausible.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-26 17:47:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: FormerLurker (#101)
Cross-referencing Post #59 at 4um Title: Let US start a thread on WHO Did 911
Excerpts:

Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.
EXERCISES INCLUDED MOCK TV NEWS REPORTS
It is known that simulated television news reports had been used in training exercises before 9/11. For example, a two-day exercise was held at Andrews Air Force Base, Maryland, in June 2001, called "Dark Winter," based on the scenario of a smallpox attack on the United States. This exercise, according to New York magazine, included "simulated news clips from an imaginary cable news network called NCN."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 18:02:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: GreyLmist (#102) (Edited)
Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.

And the Starship Enterprise could have just blasted away with its phasers.
Thing is, a remote controlled missile (which the aircraft would have been) has a very damn good chance of hitting its target.
For CGI to have faked EVERYTHING seen on network TV, ALL of the on scene reporters and camera crews would had to have been in on the grand conspiracy, ALL of the first responders who witnessed the 2nd impact would had to have been in on it, and ALL of the NYC inhabitants who witnessed the event would had to have been in on it.
There is just WAY too much chance of something going wrong, where if people saw a blast without an aircraft striking the tower, it would have drawn INSTANT attention. Besides that, there would have been SOME video of that occuring, being that MANY people were recording the smoke coming from the North Tower by that point in time.
That's besides the fact all of the news stations would have had to simultaneously blend CGI into live video, and had the explosives go off in the towers at the precise time to make it appear the CGI aircraft actually impacted the South Tower at the correct moment.
Not only would thousands, if not tens of thousands of people been involved, the technical feasibilty of such a hoax is pretty farfetched. CGI is good these days, but not THAT good. There is no evidence of fakery in the live videos, although no planers HAVE faked their own later videos to "make their point".
Why do you keep falling back with this science fantasy scenario GL? Aren't actual documented facts and scientific evidence enough to prove 9/11 was an inside job, carried out with the help of the Mossad?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-26 20:15:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: GreyLmist (#102)
Besides GL, do you truly think that the news production teams, newscasters, reporters, and camera crews, along with firemen, police, and NYC inhabitants would have taken part in a false flag operation where thousands of people would have been killed?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-26 20:22:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: FormerLurker (#104)
Besides GL, do you truly think that the news production teams, newscasters, reporters, and camera crews, along with firemen, police, and NYC inhabitants would have taken part in a false flag operation where thousands of people would have been killed?

I do think that some would willingly participate in such a flase flag op, that some might have believed they were participating in a Military excercise and could have been sworn to secrecy about it as a national security necessity, and that most were probably swept into the operation believing it was actually happening, similar to the War of the Worlds broadcast.
You've probably seen CNN's staged newscast with Charles Jaco of the first war in Iraq. Syria is currently being similarly propagandized with fakery only worse.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 21:12:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: FormerLurker (#103) (Edited)
Thing is, a remote controlled missile (which the aircraft would have been) has a very damn good chance of hitting its target.

But in the post I replied to, you said remote control planes -- not missiles. The issue isn't about whether remote control missiles can hit their target. Surely they can with a high degree of accuracy but with more risk of error and discovery than CGI. I don't know which videos you're referring to as being faked by No Planers. Initially, there were about 40 videos that were in evidence and what's unusual is that there weren't many more if many people in the area were recording. I've spent a lot of time addressing your concerns and would like to hear your explanation for why there was little to no smoke damage at the WTC [Towers and Bldg. 7 too] as well as how WTC 1 was insignificantly impacted by flying projectiles when WTC 2 was demolished. No Planes research doesn't threaten investigations of 9/11 as an inside job carried out with the help of the Mossad, or controlled demolition determination.
Edited for grammar and bracketed insert.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 21:36:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: All (#106)
P.S. As a flase flag op, the perps would likely want a certain amount of visual evidence backed by the MSM to sell their war objectives, etc. What they wouldn't want is for it to be closely examined for flaws that point to them rather than their designated target of "Al Qaeda".
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 21:40:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: GreyLmist (#105)
I do think that some would willingly participate in such a flase flag op, that some might have believed they were participating in a Military excercise and could have been sworn to secrecy about it as a national security necessity, and that most were probably swept into the operation believing it was actually happening, similar to the War of the Worlds broadcast.

A HANDFUL might be plausible, if we were talking about some remote site out in North Dakota or something. BUT, we are not talking about North Dakota, we are talking about the World Trade Center in NYC, where not only were there hundreds if not thousands of first responders already on the scene when the 2nd plane hit, there were news crews with cameras rolling all over Manhatten, along with many private individuals.
So no, nobody could convince all those people to "go along", especially with the deaths of 3000 Americans that day. Anyone who would have been approached to do so would have spilled the beans, and the police would have arrested anyone canvassing them to "join the conspiracy".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 0:04:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: GreyLmist (#106) (Edited)
But in the post I replied to, you said remote control planes -- not missiles.
I explicity said aircraft that were USED as missiles. We DO have drone technology in case you've somehow been asleep for the past decade or so.
Surely they can with a high degree of accuracy but with more risk of error and discovery than CGI.
And I'm sure if Captain Kirk was in on this conspiracy, he could have fired phasers at the towers to make them collapse. That'd be a sure fire way to do it wouldn't it.
Thing is, not only would it have been impossible to hide such an blatent fabrication in real time in front of millions of people, it would be technically infeasible if not impossible to coordinate a real time explosion that would perfectly mimic an aircraft impact, and superimpose an imaginary aircraft into the video in sync across ALL television networks, from different viewpoints, distances, elevations, and with helicopters flying in the vicinity recording the live events.
The debris ejected from the tower is ALSO consistant with an aircraft impact, so what do you think they did, had explosives with debris installed inside the building around the perimeter walls where people were sitting and working?
Demolition charges between floors or in the elevator shafts is one thing, but placing them on the outside or inside the perimeter in order to mimic an aircraft impact is something altogether different.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 0:14:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: GreyLmist (#106)
I don't know which videos you're referring to as being faked by No Planers.

Yeah OK GL. We had discussed the "Smoke and Mirrors" video in length on the last 9/11 thread. It was blatently obvious that the video was a collection of fraudulent clips which were actually doctored from the original CBS live video.
THAT is what I mean by faked video, and you should know that. It doesn't sit well with me that you pretend not to know what I'm talking about here. It's quite obvious that "no planers" view it as their "smoking gun" where in reality it's an obvious fake designed to propel their theory into the limelight.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 0:18:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: GreyLmist (#106) (Edited)
I've spent a lot of time addressing your concerns and would like to hear your explanation for why there was little to no smoke damage at the WTC [Towers and Bldg. 7 too] as well as how WTC 1 was insignificantly impacted by flying projectiles when WTC 2 was demolished.

Are you high? "Little to no smoke damage"? Are you trying to say there were no fires at all, and THAT was faked too?
Do you truly believe what you write?
As far as WTC 1, WTF are you talking about in terms of "insignificantly impacted by flying projectiles"? Are you trying to say neither building really collapsed now, that was fake too?
In your mind, did the WTC towers ever exist at all?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 0:22:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: GreyLmist (#106)
Just so that we can all grasp exactly what it is you DO believe in, care to tell me what part of the WTC attacks you believe did NOT happen?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 0:24:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: FormerLurker (#109) (Edited)
Me: But in the post I replied to, you said remote control planes -- not missiles.
FL: I explicity said aircraft that were USED as missiles. We DO have drone technology in case you've somehow been asleep for the past decade or so.

FL at Post #101: It borders on science fiction, whereas the remote controlled plane theory isn't within that realm, it is actually quite possible and plausible.
Me at Post #102: Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.
FL at Post #103: Thing is, a remote controlled missile (which the aircraft would have been) has a very damn good chance of hitting its target.
Me at Post #106: But in the post I replied to [note: #101], you said remote control planes -- not missiles. The issue isn't about whether remote control missiles can hit their target. Surely they can with a high degree of accuracy but with more risk of error and discovery than CGI.
FL at Post #109: I explicity said aircraft that were USED as missiles. We DO have drone technology in case you've somehow been asleep for the past decade or so.
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I already addressed the issue of drones in Post #102, as well as civilian and military aircraft:
Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.

Edited for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-28 2:12:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: FormerLurker (#110)
Me: I don't know which videos you're referring to as being faked by No Planers.
FL: Yeah OK GL. We had discussed the "Smoke and Mirrors" video in length on the last 9/11 thread. It was blatently obvious that the video was a collection of fraudulent clips which were actually doctored from the original CBS live video.
THAT is what I mean by faked video, and you should know that. It doesn't sit well with me that you pretend not to know what I'm talking about here. It's quite obvious that "no planers" view it as their "smoking gun" where in reality it's an obvious fake designed to propel their theory into the limelight.

It doesn't sit well with me that you pretend not to know that video was a Media alteration. I thought you finally understood that the last time we discussed it.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-28 2:23:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: FormerLurker (#112) (Edited)
Just so that we can all grasp exactly what it is you DO believe in, care to tell me what part of the WTC attacks you believe did NOT happen?

You were requested in one sentence to explain what I've asked you about more than once before and you still haven't:

Post #106, Me to FL: I've spent a lot of time addressing your concerns and would like to hear your explanation for why there was little to no smoke damage at the WTC [Towers and Bldg. 7 too] as well as how WTC 1 was insignificantly impacted by flying projectiles when WTC 2 was demolished.

Instead of an answer, you made 5 posts ridiculing mine and interrogating me but can't even keep track of your own sequentially. So, I don't care to tell you anything else. I don't claim to have all the answers. You do. You believe remote control technology was used because it existed at the time and Zakheim would somehow profit more in war contracts if it was wasted in plane crash demonstrations on 9/11. You don't believe hologram technology was used even though it existed at the time and for decades prior. You call that the realm of science fiction. That's not been integral to the No Planes investigations anyway. I'm not sure what else you think -- that drone operators did it from Israel? 9/11 was War on America. Obviously, [Edit: the perps] involved in whatever roles here weren't thinking in terms of New Yorkers or any other Americans as "their people" but enemy "collateral damage". You seem to forget that what was seen at first was simply an image that looked like a plane going behind a building and then an explosion. You seem to want your version of what you believe happened to be in the realm of Holocaust Denial if there's any dissent. That's your gatekeeper problem, not mine.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-28 3:19:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: GreyLmist (#113)
Remote control could not ensure that a plane (civilian, military, or drone) wouldn't break apart outside of the buildings on impact (endangering people on the street, leaving contradictory evidence behind, and messing up the cover story for the destruction of the Towers) but CGI could.

And perfect insurance was the order of the day.

Police / FBI / mossad fakes , clear a street... plant evidence, leave on lookers return to a no longer blocked off street. .. real police and agents take over from there....
This is not an un logical operation... I fail to see how folks like lurker can not get it.. unless it really was to much propaganda in one concentrated dose. Which is what I suspect.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-09-28 6:35:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: titorite, FormerLurker (#116) (Edited)
There were Art Students in-residence at the WTC in the strike- zone in the months leading up to the attacks -- lived there, day and night. Entire floors were empty in the Towers that they had access to and could have rigged. They even removed a window for their balcony stunt that involved a helicopter, which I suspect might have been a rehearsal for getting out and getting away under cover of the smoke effects on 9/11 but that plan may have been discarded as too risky. I dunno but someone who claims to want to round up who did it for prosecutions, yet thinks nothing of any of that and would rather argue about No Planers -- it tells me they aren't really serious.
Edited for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-28 7:18:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: GreyLmist (#114)
It doesn't sit well with me that you pretend not to know that video was a Media alteration. I thought you finally understood that the last time we discussed it.

The author of the video, and titorite were trying to pass it off as original footage from the morning of 9/11. You were playing the "media made it" angle, yet you say there's some ORIGINAL video which shows the same thing, or similar "abnormalities". That is pure BS.
This is getting tiring, and I have better things to do with my time than to play this game for another 7 days straight.
Is it your mission in life to bog down every 9/11 discussion with this crap?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 8:34:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: FormerLurker (#118)
No, I said it was a Media alteration -- about umpteen times -- and that there are smoke anomalies in other MSM videos. The poster of the video stated in the Description section that it was posted as it was found. I linked to the webarchived-site where it was found for comparison, as well as the NIST video of the PBS documentary that the Smoke and Mirrors video referenced. titorite simply submitted it here as a smoke anomaly and didn't know the details about it. You are bogging down discussions by having to repeat things over and over and it still doesn't get through to you or doesn't stick with you. I do think this is a game for you and I have better things to do too.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-28 9:04:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker (#119)
I still maintain it was all flying telephone poles.
During the Viet thing, I had friends flying B-52s over North Vietnam. They could see the SAMS being fired off both visually and on ground scanning radar.
They attached the name of telephone poles because that is what they looked like.
Carry on.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-28 9:21:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: GreyLmist, titorite (#119) (Edited)
No, I said it was a Media alteration -- about umpteen times -- and that there are smoke anomalies in other MSM videos. The poster of the video stated in the Description section that it was posted as it was found.
But the author of the Smoke & Mirrors video presents it as if it were actual live footage. In terms of the description on YouTube, the uploader said he obtained it from the terrorist.dk site which is no longer online. In reality, the terrorist.dk site video was from Detroit Public TV. The author of the terrorist.dk site analyzed it and demonstrated how the video had been doctored to make it appear that the plane came out of nowhere, as well as asking why the smoke plumes were doctored, wondering why the REAL footage wasn't impressive enough.
So the author of the "Smoke and Mirrors" video was fraudulently claiming that the Detroit Public TV video was actual live footage, even though the site he claimed to have obtained it from was explicity speaking about how it was DOCTORED footage. The "Smoke & Mirrors" author was even disingenious enough to include the ORIGINAL CBS footage at the end of his video, claiming it was DIFFERENT footage than what he had just spent the rest of his time "analyzing", where in fact it was the source of what he had just got done "analyzing".
Yep, "Smoke & Mirrors" was certainly an appropriate choice of names for his video, where HE'S the one trying to pull a fast one on his audience. Apparently it's suckered in titorite and yourself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 15:45:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: GreyLmist (#119)
You are bogging down discussions by having to repeat things over and over and it still doesn't get through to you or doesn't stick with you. I do think this is a game for you and I have better things to do too.

To me at least, someone who constantly posts disproven BS as if it were going to become true if it's repeated often enough, is doing more than just "bogging down" a thread.
It's more like disrupting the discussion with ridiculous fiction which has no basis in fact.
I'd say the chances of your "no plane" theory being true are 0%. I wouldn't even give it a fractional percentage.
You're ignoring the improbablities and impossibilities, and hopping on things which aren't even there to begin with.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-28 15:50:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: FormerLurker (#121) (Edited)
Um no you just lie about what is right in front of your face because you dislike what you see.

I mean that planes comes in from UP high, from down low, from a strait horizontal shot , and still you sing and dance and pretend

Edited for civility.
____________________________________________________________ . . . The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself, Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-09-28 22:43:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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