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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
Author: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-inter
Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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Views: 2727
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#2. To: tom007 (#0)
Alleged aircraft hit the buildings????
One can see where this is going. Another waste of time.
Another review by "EXPERTS" that cannot..."AUTHENTICATE"... the government provided material, well then the inference is it may all be LIES, all BOGUS, BECAUSE WE CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING, WHY WASTE YOUR TIME.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-24 20:38:31 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Cynicom, tom007 (#2)
Alleged aircraft hit the buildings????

Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 21:16:47 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#5. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

I dont think so.
I'll stand with my flying telephone poles. Am organizing a panel of "pole" experts as we speak, to address the "alleged" 9/11 event that never happened.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-24 21:59:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
Cyni, 9/11 happened alright, just not the way the talking heads and the politicians claim it did.
What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 22:31:07 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#7. To: FormerLurker (#6)
What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?

Good starting point.
Ever notice however there are no panels of experts to prove or disprove they ever existed?

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-24 22:46:24 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
Ever notice however there are no panels of experts to prove or disprove they ever existed?

News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 23:10:13 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)
News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 5:21:30 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Cynicom (#10)
However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Ever hear of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, or the producers of this video Pilots for 9/11 Truth?
The government story of the WTC collapse is physically impossible. The Israelis who were arrested on 9/11 with tons of explosives were released with charges.
How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-25 9:25:46 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#14. To: FormerLurker (#12)
How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

This is what I spoke of...
"What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?"
I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 9:36:49 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#14)
I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Who needs a panel of experts when you got the cops on their radio?

Now you can empanel a jury of pointy heads, Cyni. ; ]

randge posted on 2012-09-25 10:57:01 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#28. To: randge (#22)
Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.
Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.
Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.
A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything. The VP was as useless as tits on a rain barrel and Bush was hiding in Louisiana.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 12:05:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Cynicom (#28)
Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.
Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.
Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.
A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything.

What? Where did you get the impression that an FAA person ordered SCATANA implemented rather than the Military?

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 18:14:21 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#48. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000, All (#41)
After this young man, before pointing negative fingers, do a check on the subject.
Here is the mans name and the story.
ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE, NOT YEARS LATER.

"Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his job
As terrorists seized control of four airplanes on Sept. 11th, 2001, Ben Sliney, chief of air-traffic-control operations at the FAA's command center in Herndon, Va., gave the unprecedented order to ground 4,000-plus planes across the nation and redirect any in the sky to the nearest airport. It was his first day on the job.
On Sept. 11th, 2001, terrorists hijacked four American commercial jets with the intention of crashing them into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, and the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. The terrorists were successful in three of their four targets with the fourth plane's assault on the Capitol building was thwarted by heroic passengers on board. While we now know no other planes were hijacked, at the time, each of the 4,000-plus flights in American air space were potential risks.
But due to Ben Sliney, the Federal Aviation Administration's National Operations Manager on duty that fateful morning, possible harm, at least by the thinking at the time, was averted. Sliney made the gutsy — and completely unprecedented — call to ground every single commercial airplane in the country.
Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his jobWhat makes the call — which, without direct order from the President and the bureaucracy above him, was his and his alone to make — all the more gutsy is that Sept. 11th, 2001, was Ben Sliney's first day on the job as an FAA National Operations Manager.
Although that's not to say Sliney was some neophyte making a cowboy-like call. He had 25 years of experience in air traffic control as part of FAA management, including a leadership position at New York TRACON, which has responsibility over all air traffic for New York City's three major airports and the smaller, regional airports in the New York City area. But the decision to ground the planes — that was entirely Sliney's.
In fact, it's such a great story that when Universal Pictures decided to turn the heroism of the passengers of United Flight 93 into a movie, they not only didn't overlook Sliney's role — they asked him to play himself in the movie. Which he did.
Sliney's decision is a great testament to the belief that doing the right thing sometimes requires a risky choice. Sliney made the right one."
Cyni...

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 19:39:35 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Cynicom (#48)
ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE ...

Maybe a video would be more convincing? See http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295417-1

Phant2000 posted on 2012-09-25 20:20:53 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Phant2000 (#55)
Thanks...
Friend of mine had that job a few years ago after I retired.
Many people are afraid of or are unable to recognize reality.
That is what we have here. There is no excuse for being obtuse about something when it is obvious to others that an enlightened background is missing.
Failure to avail oneself of what is available is basis for forming wrong opinions that defy gravity.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 20:27:40 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Cynicom (#56)
Many people are afraid of or are unable to recognize reality.
That is what we have here. There is no excuse for being obtuse about something when it is obvious to others that an enlightened background is missing.
Failure to avail oneself of what is available is basis for forming wrong opinions that defy gravity.

I love you C

But that post was marvelous nonsense.

tom007 posted on 2012-09-25 20:46:20 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#74. To: tom007 (#58)
But that post was marvelous nonsense.

I was taught civility, long ago.
The first example drummed into my thick head was this:
"Winston Churchill once said..."It costs me nothing to be civil to a man, even though I intend to hang him tomorrow".
ON this forum, I am very often labeled as dumb, stupid, ignorant and those are the kind and generous ones. At times posters use language that describes what they really think.
At the end of the day, I will have proven myself ignorant at best, but I did try to be civil doing it.
Did not cost me a cent.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 3:33:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#76. To: Cynicom (#74) (Edited)
I did try to be civil doing it.

Malarkey. What you tried to do here in your responses to me is exempt yourself from civility with an autocratic double standard equating any attempt to debate you as finger-pointing, rudeness, verbiage, gross verbiage, lack of self- enlightenment and intelligent discourse, negativity and so on.
Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 4:08:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#78. To: GreyLmist, Cynicom (#76)
What you tried to do here in your responses to me is exempt yourself from civility with an autocratic double standard equating any attempt to debate you as finger-pointing, rudeness, verbiage, gross verbiage, lack of self- enlightenment and intelligent discourse, negativity and so on.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows he's full of shit. He pulls out the "civility" canard when he's had his ass handed to him on a plate an can no longer defend his position. Then he runs away.

F.A. Hayek Fan posted on 2012-09-26 7:50:27 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#81. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#78)
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who knows he's full of shit. He pulls out the "civility" canard when he's had his ass handed to him on a plate an can no longer defend his position. Then he runs away.

Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????
People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 9:35:59 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#82. To: Cynicom, F.A. Hayek Fan (#81)
Perhaps my civility classes would be beneficial?????
People that do not function well in open society find such very helpful.

Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat?

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-26 9:53:31 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
Because...they're not functioning well or they'd know better than to take a class in civility from you, Mr. Double Standards Autocrat?

Fan would feel much better if he were a Fan of Salma Hayek.
She has a calming effect on men that are troubled.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-26 9:56:37 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#85. To: Cynicom (#83)
The comments coming from so many on all the forums on the internet sure do lend insight to the whys and wherefores of this country's status.
So many attack when opinions differ, yet few offer up anything worth considering for solving today's problems. Insults and name calling come fast and furious, but too few have, can or will hold rational discussions.
There is so much to be learned from history as well as from the views and opinions of those we share space with on this earth. There is little to be gained from challenging the rights of others to differ.
Rational and respectful discussion can bring not only enlightening knowledge, but acceptable compromise. Irrational and disrespectful communication not only encourages silence, but also limits ideas, views and suggestions that could well lead to excellent solutions, not just mediocre attempts at "putting out fires".
I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.

Phant2000 posted on 2012-09-26 10:45:07 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#126. To: Phant2000 (#85)
Rational and respectful discussion can bring not only enlightening knowledge, but acceptable compromise. Irrational and disrespectful communication not only encourages silence, but also limits ideas, views and suggestions that could well lead to excellent solutions, not just mediocre attempts at "putting out fires".
I hope the day comes when the majority of people on this world show respect to others.

What in the hell is the matter with you?

tom007 posted on 2012-09-29 9:51:33 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#127. To: tom007 (#126)
What in the hell is the matter with you?

I live in a bubble!!!

Phant2000 posted on 2012-09-30 7:33:19 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#128. To: Phant2000 (#127)
I was taught at a young age, keep my mouth shut and my ears open and I MIGHT learn something.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-30 08:54:54 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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