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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
Author: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-inter
Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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#2. To: tom007 (#0)
Alleged aircraft hit the buildings????
One can see where this is going. Another waste of time.
Another review by "EXPERTS" that cannot..."AUTHENTICATE"... the government provided material, well then the inference is it may all be LIES, all BOGUS, BECAUSE WE CANNOT PROVE ANYTHING, WHY WASTE YOUR TIME.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-24 20:38:31 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Cynicom, tom007 (#2)
Alleged aircraft hit the buildings????

Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 21:16:47 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#5. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Are you trying to say that it is 100% certain that the aircraft which struck the towers are the ones reported as being hijacked? If you bothered watching the video, you'd more than likely understand why and how that is highly unlikely.

I dont think so.
I'll stand with my flying telephone poles. Am organizing a panel of "pole" experts as we speak, to address the "alleged" 9/11 event that never happened.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-24 21:59:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
Cyni, 9/11 happened alright, just not the way the talking heads and the politicians claim it did.
What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 22:31:07 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#7. To: FormerLurker (#6)
What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?

Good starting point.
Ever notice however there are no panels of experts to prove or disprove they ever existed?

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-24 22:46:24 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Cynicom (#7)
Ever notice however there are no panels of experts to prove or disprove they ever existed?

News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 23:10:13 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#10. To: FormerLurker (#8)
News reports from that day, along with FBI documents, indicate they did in fact exist.

However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 5:21:30 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Cynicom (#10)
However, there has never been any independent panel of "experts" that can "prove" the government is lying.

Ever hear of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, or the producers of this video Pilots for 9/11 Truth?
The government story of the WTC collapse is physically impossible. The Israelis who were arrested on 9/11 with tons of explosives were released with charges.
How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-25 9:25:46 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#14. To: FormerLurker (#12)
How much more factual evidence is necessary? Would it take Sean Hannity to report that the government lied on 9/11 to make it so?

This is what I spoke of...
"What do you make of that van on the George Washington Bridge pulled over on 9/11 after the attacks, you know, the one that was filled with tons of explosives and driven by Israelis?"
I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 9:36:49 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Cynicom (#14)
I would like to see a panel of experts or anyone to revisit that.

Who needs a panel of experts when you got the cops on their radio?

Now you can empanel a jury of pointy heads, Cyni. ; ]

randge posted on 2012-09-25 10:57:01 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#28. To: randge (#22)
Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.
Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.
Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.
A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything. The VP was as useless as tits on a rain barrel and Bush was hiding in Louisiana.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 12:05:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Cynicom (#28)
Having been involved with lesser events with the government and military, over many years, I can safely say that, things get screwed up, people misspeak, misunderstand, and it takes great effort to untangle things.
Recall that no one of responsibility ever stood up and called a halt to the madness. It was a lowly FAA person that finally took the bull by the horns and ordered everyone down until it could be sorted out.
Cheney and Bush did nothing,none of their boot lickers did anything, the world was gone mad.
A peon stepped up, called a halt to everything.

What? Where did you get the impression that an FAA person ordered SCATANA implemented rather than the Military?

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 18:14:21 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#48. To: GreyLmist, Phant2000, All (#41)
After this young man, before pointing negative fingers, do a check on the subject.
Here is the mans name and the story.
ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE, NOT YEARS LATER.

"Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his job
As terrorists seized control of four airplanes on Sept. 11th, 2001, Ben Sliney, chief of air-traffic-control operations at the FAA's command center in Herndon, Va., gave the unprecedented order to ground 4,000-plus planes across the nation and redirect any in the sky to the nearest airport. It was his first day on the job.
On Sept. 11th, 2001, terrorists hijacked four American commercial jets with the intention of crashing them into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, and the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. The terrorists were successful in three of their four targets with the fourth plane's assault on the Capitol building was thwarted by heroic passengers on board. While we now know no other planes were hijacked, at the time, each of the 4,000-plus flights in American air space were potential risks.
But due to Ben Sliney, the Federal Aviation Administration's National Operations Manager on duty that fateful morning, possible harm, at least by the thinking at the time, was averted. Sliney made the gutsy — and completely unprecedented — call to ground every single commercial airplane in the country.
Man who grounded 4,000 planes on 9/11 was on first day of his jobWhat makes the call — which, without direct order from the President and the bureaucracy above him, was his and his alone to make — all the more gutsy is that Sept. 11th, 2001, was Ben Sliney's first day on the job as an FAA National Operations Manager.
Although that's not to say Sliney was some neophyte making a cowboy-like call. He had 25 years of experience in air traffic control as part of FAA management, including a leadership position at New York TRACON, which has responsibility over all air traffic for New York City's three major airports and the smaller, regional airports in the New York City area. But the decision to ground the planes — that was entirely Sliney's.
In fact, it's such a great story that when Universal Pictures decided to turn the heroism of the passengers of United Flight 93 into a movie, they not only didn't overlook Sliney's role — they asked him to play himself in the movie. Which he did.
Sliney's decision is a great testament to the belief that doing the right thing sometimes requires a risky choice. Sliney made the right one."
Cyni...

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 19:39:35 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Cynicom (#48)
ANYONE THAT HAD ANY INTEREST IN 911 SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS GENTLEMAN FROM DAY ONE ...

Maybe a video would be more convincing? See http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295417-1

Phant2000 posted on 2012-09-25 20:20:53 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Phant2000 (#55)
Thanks...
Friend of mine had that job a few years ago after I retired.
Many people are afraid of or are unable to recognize reality.
That is what we have here. There is no excuse for being obtuse about something when it is obvious to others that an enlightened background is missing.
Failure to avail oneself of what is available is basis for forming wrong opinions that defy gravity.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 20:27:40 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#60. To: Cynicom (#56)
Failure to avail oneself of what is available is basis for forming wrong opinions that defy gravity.

I've heard of Sliney and am reposting this article (which I linked here Dec. of last year) that mentions him:
Why the Planes Were Not Intercepted on 9-11 The Wall Street Lawyer and the Special Ops Hijack Coordinator

Benedict Sliney was an ATC in the US Air Force during the Vietnam War and, after that, worked at the FAA for the first half of his professional career. In the 1980s, Sliney went on from the FAA to work as an attorney and continued in that career throughout the 1990s. He worked for several law firms during this time, handling various kinds of cases, and he was a partner in some of those firms.
Sliney’s clients included financial investors who were accused of Securities and Exchange violations. In one 1998 case, he represented Steven K. Gourlay, Jr., an employee of Sterling Foster. It was reported that Sterling Foster was “secretly controlled” by Randolph Pace and was at the center of "one of the most notorious scams ever.”[5] Sliney got Gourlay’s charges dropped in 1998 but, in a related 2002 case, Gourlay pled guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud, mail fraud and wire fraud, and was sentenced to six months in prison.[6,7]
In the summer of 2000, Sliney represented Merrill Lynch in a case in which the delay of the transfer of clients’ funds to Smith Barney was said to have “caused their investments with Merrill, Lynch to lose some $638,000 in value.” Sliney was able to get Merrill Lynch off the hook.[8]
For whatever reasons, Sliney decided to leave his lucrative law career behind just months before 9/11 in order to return to the FAA. It was reported that Jack Kies, FAA’s manager of tactical operations, offered Sliney the job of Command Center national operations manager. Instead, Sliney asked to work as a specialist and he started in that role. Kies offered Sliney the national operations manager position again six months later and Sliney accepted.[9] His first day on the job was 9/11/01.
[sic]
Several of the FAA’s top people confirmed that the military was engaged and knew about the hijackings early on. This included Jeff Griffith at the Command Center and Monte Belger, the FAA’s acting Deputy Administrator, who was present at FAA Headquarters. Belger stated that -- “[T]here were military people on duty at the FAA Command Center, as Mr. Sliney said. They were participating in what was going on. There were military people in the FAA’s Air Traffic Organization in a situation room. They were participating in what was going on.”[13]
When a new, honest investigation is finally convened, it should look into why a lawyer, who knew how to handle evidence and get financiers off the hook, was experiencing his first day on the job as national operation manager at the FAA.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 21:08:47 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#62. To: GreyLmist (#60)
Grey, verbiage will not paper over rudeness and a lack of self enlightenment.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 21:51:00 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Cynicom (#62)
Grey, verbiage will not paper over rudeness and a lack of self enlightenment.

Return to sender.
You are assisting in the propagation of myths that can jeopardize national security. Since 9/11, people have been conditioned to think there's nothing unusual about a VP hijacking control of our Military by issuing Defense orders - - or, as you've suggested, that they are lax if they don't; that the FAA has the power, if it so chooses, to scramble our Military fighter jets and bypass Military steps in order to enforce the wishes of whoever at the FAA; that someone like Sliney can overrule Military authority if they want to regarding SCATANA procedures.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 22:32:04 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#64. To: GreyLmist (#63)
Grey...
Again, rudeness and gross verbosity does not paper over the lack of intelligent discourse.

Cynicom posted on 2012-09-25 22:33:55 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#66. To: Cynicom (#64)
Again, rudeness and gross verbosity does not paper over the lack of intelligent discourse.

Again, return to sender.
In other words, you have nothing but redundant and demeaning barbs in reply to the issue of jeopardizing national security with baseless myth conditioning.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 22:45:23 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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