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Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11
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Published: Sep 24, 2012
Author: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-inter
Post Date: 2012-09-24 19:34:06 by tom007
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#4. To: tom007, *9-11* (#0)

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-24 21:17:47 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#18. To: FormerLurker (#4)
Thanks FL.There's a lot of material there. I thought the salient fact was that one of the jets performance perimeters were entirely consistent with a 757 until shortly after it passed over a military base, then it's performance became impossible for a 757 to perform. The "Magic Airplane" of our time, it would seem.

tom007 posted on 2012-09-25 10:49:32 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#25. To: tom007 (#18)
I thought the salient fact was that one of the jets performance perimeters were entirely consistent with a 757 until shortly after it passed over a military base

Might it be Stewart AFB?
9/11 Flight Paths & Stewart Air Base
PS: Flights 11 and 175 were 767's, not 757's. It was Flight 77 which allegedly struck the Pentagon which was a 757.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-25 11:13:15 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#40. To: FormerLurker, tom007 (#25)
tom007: I thought the salient fact was that one of the jets performance perimeters were entirely consistent with a 757 until shortly after it passed over a military base

FL: Might it be Stewart AFB?
9/11 Flight Paths & Stewart Air Base

That link doesn't work.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 18:02:00 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#46. To: All (#40) (Edited)
Stewart Air Force Base [My note: Home of the 105th Airlift Wing, New York Air National Guard]

Stewart Air Force Base: 1940s, Orange County, Newburgh. Stewart International Airport is located almost entirely in the Town of New Windsor, Orange County, New York. The "Stewart Newburgh" designation used by the airlines is that the Stewart family gave the land to the City of Newburgh for a city airport in the 1930's. Stewart is named after Capt. Lachlan Stewart, who skippered schooners and other sailing vessels about 1850-1870. During World War II the City of Newburgh turned the airport over to the United States Government for the purposes of training West Point cadets to fly. The field grew and at the end of World War II it became Stewart Air Force Base. Stewart was used for North American Air Defense (Headquarters US Army Air Defense Command Region I) until 1972, when the Air Force determined that the base was excess, and deeded Stewart Air Force Base to the State of New York. See also SAGE for information on Air Defense Control Center, control for Suffolk BOMARCs. Now Stewart Army Sub Post of West Point, Stewart International Airport, and the New York Air National Guard has the largest C-5 Unit at Stewart. The Marine Corps also maintains a wing of C-130 aircraft at Stewart. The two military organizations occupy brand new state of the art military facilites. Stewart International Airport has 15,000 ft runway, the longest on the eastern seaboard.

Excerpts from Pilots For 9-11 Truth Forum > Stewart Afb

"At the end of the 20th century it became the first U.S. commercial airport to be privatized when United Kingdom-based National Express Group was awarded a 99-year lease on the airport."
Another Source Says:
"Stewart International Airport is the nation's first privatized commercial airport and operates under a 99-year lease agreement with the New York State Department of Transportation. National Express Group operates Stewart International Airport and is the United State's subsidiary of the National Express Group, PLC, in the United Kingdom."

Comment at the site: Who said another aircraft took off from Stewart? Again.. if a switch took place with an aircraft departing [Stewart].. that aircraft would have to have incredible power in order to climb and intercept at cruising speed directly over or near Stewart.
Unanswered Comment at the site: Something just occurred to me. Wasn't the pilot of Flight 175 asked to look to see if he could sight Flight 11? From what I remember, it was within the next few minutes that Flight 175 was "hijacked". Hmmmmm. Could there be something to that?
Edited for spelling at the bracketed insert of first Comment.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 19:18:47 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#52. To: GreyLmist (#46)
Again.. if a switch took place with an aircraft departing [Stewart].. that aircraft would have to have incredible power in order to climb and intercept at cruising speed directly over or near Stewart.

It could have already been airborne with its transponder turned off.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-25 20:05:04 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#67. To: FormerLurker (#52) (Edited)
Again.. if a switch took place with an aircraft departing [Stewart].. that aircraft would have to have incredible power in order to climb and intercept at cruising speed directly over or near Stewart.

It could have already been airborne with its transponder turned off.

But transponder off wouldn't mean invisible until then, as you know.
Thanks for correcting the link.
Edited last sentence.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-09-25 22:53:02 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#69. To: GreyLmist (#67)
But transponder off wouldn't mean invisible until then, as you know.

In terms of primary radar, blips can be merged tranparently by a lower altitude plane climbing from below radar altitude, while maintaining the same geographical position as the other aircraft. A swap could be made by both aircraft flying side by side momentarily, then the original aircraft descends at such a rate and airspeed to match the position of the upper aircraft, till it is below radar altitude.
It's probably one good reason why the FAA destroyed the statements of the controllers that day which may have included an observation that for a moment, the primary blip for Flight 77 and 175 got a little bigger.
But then again, if the transponders hadn't been turned off yet, would they had even been tracking them on primary radar at that point?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-25 23:19:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#70. To: GreyLmist, tom007, Cynicom, randge, All (#67)
In reference to the destroyed FAA tape...
F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements

WASHINGTON, May 6 — At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that same day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said in a report today.
The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, where about 16 people met in a basement conference room known as "the Bat Cave" and passed around a microphone, each recalling his or her version of the events a few hours earlier.
But officials at the center never told higher-ups of the tape's existence, and it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. official described in the report as a quality-assurance manager there. That manager crushed the cassette in his hand, shredded the tape and dropped the pieces into different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-25 23:46:34 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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