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Title: Smoke and Mirrors videos-controversy topic
Source: various
URL Source: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/reada ... gi?ArtNum=149329&Disp=671#C671
Published: Sep 29, 2012
Author: Me and various
Post Date: 2012-09-29 01:19:12 by GreyLmist
Keywords: 9/11, NIST, PBS, CBS
Views: 1640
Comments: 94

Relevant info on this topic is accessible through posts #586 and #671 linked below:
4um Title: How 9-11 Was Done

Post #586 -- videos, links, and details
Post #671 -- WETA/PBS addendum info
Poster Comment:
Tangential discussion starting point [#103] at 4um Title: Pilots Analyze the Government Provided Radar Data of the Planes of 9-11, if needed for referencing here.
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#1. To: GreyLmist (#0)
I applaud your efforts.

titorite posted on 2012-09-29 15:49:56 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#2. To: titorite, GreyLmist (#1)
I applaud your efforts.

I'm sure you would.
So, do the both of you now admit that the "Smoke and Mirrors" video is a fraud?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-29 16:02:40 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#3. To: FormerLurker (#2) (Edited)
DO you admit to being a lying asshole who willingly uses disinformation tactics in an attempt to suppress views counter to your own......I mean you could probably act in a more retarded manner if you tried... but I have trouble imagining it.

titorite posted on 2012-09-29 16:12:10 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#6. To: titorite (#3)
What's sort of amusing is that YOU are using not only disinfo tactics to "make your case", you're trying to say that a blatently fraudulent video is bonafide actual footage from 9/11.
It's been proven that it's doctored footage of actual CBS live video, and that the author of the video is misrepresenting it as the real thing which he proceeds to "analyze".
Maybe I should repost that proof in case anyone here missed it.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-09-29 20:05:27 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#13. To: FormerLurker (#6) (Edited)
You're misrepresenting what people have said and have been told numerous times that it's doctored/altered footage. What you've posted hasn't proven what you've accused, imo. I haven't seen anyone on the web as fixated on this matter as you've been. Please review the references here and try to transition some from embattling mode to a bit more conversant mode.
Edited sentence 2.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-10-01 8:41:59 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#14. To: GreyLmist (#13)
What you've posted hasn't proven what you've accused, imo. I haven't seen anyone on the web as fixated on this matter as you've been

Huh? Are you that dense that you can't understand the Smoke and Mirrors video is a complete fraud? What part of the analysis do you fail to understand?
And who's the one that keeps posting it, and who's the one that created this thread?
Don't you think there are better avenues to approach the 9/11 subject with rather than beating a dead horse? This no planes topic is right up there with the Loch Ness monster and Sasquatch in terms of credibility. Well no actually, those two subjects might actually have SOME basis in fact.
What it comes down to GL, is that beyond your "feelings", there is ZERO evidence indicating what you allege. There are no inconsistencies in the original video from that day in terms of aircraft flying into the WTC towers and resulting damage.
Additionally, there are NO witnesses to the events of that day which state NO PLANE hit the tower(s), if they were looking at the towers from a vantage point where they would have or should have seen it as it happened.
There ARE some serious questions as to why and how the towers collapsed. But the level of cognitive dissonance required to accept what you're peddling is beyond what a reasonable or rational person would possess.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-01 10:55:48 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#20. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#14)
This no planes topic is right up there with the Loch Ness monster and Sasquatch in terms of credibility. Well no actually, those two subjects might actually have SOME basis in fact.
What it comes down to GL, is that beyond your "feelings", there is ZERO evidence indicating what you allege. There are no inconsistencies in the original video from that day in terms of aircraft flying into the WTC towers and resulting damage.
Additionally, there are NO witnesses to the events of that day which state NO PLANE hit the tower(s), if they were looking at the towers from a vantage point where they would have or should have seen it as it happened.

It is your remote control sector that has been telling us a storied rendition for over a decade with no actual evidence. Will address the witnesses issue you raised later. For now, there was a reporter named Don Dahler interviewed "as it happened" who said he saw no plane, just an explosion. That is certainly not the only example. Will get back to you with more examples and references asap.

GreyLmist posted on 2012-10-04 14:53:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#25. To: GreyLmist (#20)
It is your remote control sector that has been telling us a storied rendition for over a decade with no actual evidence.
There is evidence planes hit the towers. The "19 arabs", some of whom are still alive, could not have flown those planes as they were flown.
So if the planes weren't flown by them, who DID fly them?
Remote control is QUITE possible, feasible, and plausible.

Is that why you're trying to "debunk" it?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-04 19:48:00 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#26. To: GreyLmist (#20)
For now, there was a reporter named Don Dahler interviewed "as it happened" who said he saw no plane, just an explosion. That is certainly not the only example.

Uh huh. Was he one who could not see the approach and impact because he was on the opposite side of the tower? There were of course people whose vision was obscured, are you using THOSE people as your "proof"?

FormerLurker posted on 2012-10-04 19:49:52 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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