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Title: 911 What Happened - Not How It Happened - Dr Judy Wood
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gFW-sZrmSs
Published: Nov 16, 2012
Author: Judy Wood
Post Date: 2012-11-16 10:10:44 by Horse
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#70. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#62)
Your debate team, though, should have some plausible hypotheticals about it besides serendipity. Thanks for your statement that there were no explosives in those areas but how could anyone be confident that explosive impacts would be contained so as not to interfere with or trigger the areas that were prepared with explosives?

GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand? Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.
If anything, you're just the flip side of what the main stream media provides, where they tell ONE impossible story, and your "team" provides the OTHER impossible stories, with both sources mixing in a BIT of truth in order to make it all seem believable.
When all the actual facts and evidence are examined, and the ongoing coverup considered, it becomes clear that YOUR "team" is acting in concert with the MSM team to misdirect readers and obfuscate the entire body of 9/11 knowledge with impossible and implausible events, and lead people away from what REALLY happened on that day.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 16:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: FormerLurker (#68)
I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured.

I do not believe sequential failure occurred. For sequential failure to occur the buildings would have fallen at a much slower rate. What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-24 18:57:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: RickyJ (#71)
What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.

That's what I meant by sequential failure. In other words, the underlying floors were demolished with explosives fractions of a second prior to the upper structure converging into them.
Since the upper structure still had to slow down for a fraction of a second as it impacted the floor below, the fall was not pure free fall speed. If the floors had been detonated a full second sooner or so, the collapse would have been MUCH closer to free fall speed, thus revealing that it WAS controlled demolition to even the most perceptially challenged.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 19:09:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: FormerLurker (#67) (Edited)
Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Anyone as lazy as you, so lazy they can not even do a google search for themselves is by no means an activist of any kind.... you're just an angry troll.

Back on ignore... My apologies for taking you off that list.
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titorite posted on 2012-11-24 20:18:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: titorite (#73)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way.
They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast.
Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 20:26:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: titorite (#73)
you're just an angry troll.

Upon further thought, that comment needs to be addressed.
Each and every time you are proven wrong, you lash out with lies and personal attacks.
You prove YOURSELF to be that angry troll you mention. Again, you project YOUR faults onto your victims.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 21:20:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: All (#5) (Edited)
rigorousintuition.ca • View topic - Where Did The Towers Go

Link Excerpts:

(Let's remember, the government is always at least 15-20 years ahead in technology from where they publicly admit.)
Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984
Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001
US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006

4um Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs A Major Piece of the 9-11 Puzzle

Various Energy Weaponry: Posts #180, #181 and #182

Possible 9/11 EMP effects:

World Trade Center Demolition

The interview of Dr. Michael Guttenberg, of NYFD’s Office of Medical Affairs, who may have witnessed EMP is here.
[sic] before any tower “collapse”, he noted:

“…on the EMS radio, there was absolute silence for probably 10 or 15 seconds, you know, which to me, it seemed like 10 to 15 seconds, but it was absolute radio silence for a few seconds…”

UNITED WAY - 9-11 funds go to left-wing causes unconnected with terror (you MUST read this!)

Another beneficiary of the September 11 Fund is Legal Services of New York, which received a grant of $40,000 "to replace phones, computers and other office equipment destroyed in the attack."
According to spokeswoman Edwina Martin [sic] the $40,000 grant was necessary because, "If we don't have our phones and computers, we can't do anything and people are left with nothing."
She noted that the offices were "fairly close" to the World Trade Center, and that "equipment wasn't functioning."

YouTube: Media Acknowledges Steel Turned to Dust on 9/11 (Full Clip) | ABC News

Uploaded by Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez on Nov 10, 2010

World Trade Center Demolition [Nukes at the WTC hypotheses]

Lt. Smiouskas believed that a nuclear bomb went off, due to the magnitude of Earth shaking that he felt. As a tower is being destroyed he recalls [sic] seeing “glitter” through the black smoke, during tower destruction.

"Everybody started running north, and this huge volume like ten stories high billowing, pushing black smoke and like a glitter. I guess it was glass that was glitter that was in the cloud of smoke.”

I do not believe this “glitter” was glass in the black smoke. Perhaps it is more likely that gamma rays from nuclear explosions which could readily traverse the black smoke, impinged on his retina. This is like the
a[s] tronauts in earth orbit seeing (retinal) flashes from cosmic rays when they tried to go to a higher earth orbit [sic]

YouTube: 911 FOX Live - the dustification of the World Trade Center North Tower -- glittering smoke at 0:40

Published on May 27, 2012 by CNN911Fakes
911 sparklers in the 911 smoke at the beginning (All that glitters is not gold!). Looks like Disney's fairy godmother is showing up in the 911 magic smoke. Those are not reflections.

4um Title: A Brief Summary: WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence - Post #67 [Molecular Dissociation]
SPACE WEAPONS IN USE: BOB FITRAKIS -- Warning. Graphic war casualties footage at 5:21-5:35.

'High tech space weapons are in use. The U.S. and Israeli military are lying about them. They're well established in the public record.' Video shows the Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) & mobile version (MTHEL). Lasers have been weaponized since 1971, at least. See Col. Doug Beason's glorification of ABL (airborn lasers), ADS (active denial systems), RME (relay mirrors) and SSL (solid state lasers) in his book The Electron Bomb: How America's New Directed Energy Weapons Will Change the Way Future Wars Will Be Fought (2005). Vid calls attention to the prize-winning documentary Panama Deception. The GHW Bush invasion of Panama in Dec 1989 was used as a testing ground for laser-maser- crazer weapons. Prof. Fitrakis spoke at the Madison 9/11 conference hosted by Prof. Jim Fetzer, Aug 5, 2007 filmed by Josh Harvey of Snowshoefilms (pt. 2 of 2). Scenes from Star Wars in Iraq and Panama Deception. Music thanks to Alistair Hulett, 'Shot Down in Flames'. (see Joe Friendly (youtube) for unedited version). See our video on youtube,'Can You Help Us Please?' for pictures of some of the advanced Israel-US weapons used on Lebanese civilians in July 2006.

Mentions [at 3:41-4:18] the vehicles destroyed in the area of the WTC as being similar to what is seen in the Academy Award-winning documentary, "Panama Deception". An eyewitness [at 4:18-4:57] mentions cars cut in half by lasers. Also mentions melted guns and other similarities to the Afghanistan reporting at Post #66.

Edited for 2 more 4um reference additions + last video section and comment + formatting.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 3:41:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: FormerLurker (#74)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way.
They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast.
Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS.

The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

Panoramic view of the monument marking the hypocenter, or ground zero, of the atomic bomb explosion over Nagasaki.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 5:40:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#70) (Edited)
GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand?

Aside from the facts that remote control wouldn't make planes able to exceed their structural limits at such high speeds and low altitudes and that it wouldn't prevent them from being broken apart on the outside of the buildings when they hit, it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.
Edited to reword for clarity.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 6:00:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Me: It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.

You: So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building.

Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

911 The no plane chronicles 5of7

According to one of Steven Earl Jones' audios "thermate can be painted on" (and then "touched off" by some radio-controlled mechanism . The Great Professor does not explain whether you use a brush, or a roller, for the paint job - and is a bit 'light' on details of any 'radio control" mechanism to trigger off this 'toshing'. The point is this: It has to work. It has to work exactly, no 'messing' It has to work accurately, otherwise the building will topple. We should all be very grateful that former Professor Jones does not actually work in the Controlled Demolitions industry - and merely confines himself to making absurd statements about it)

You were selling neutron bombs earlier,

No, I wasn't. Now you're confusing me with other posters.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 6:17:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it. Very sensationalistic, too, how WTC 1 started crumbling like on cue at the word "praying".
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 6:50:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#70)
Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.

I think you're confusing me with Jones again there -- and yourself. Please be more careful not to do that henceforth.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 8:23:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: GreyLmist (#76)
Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984
Particle beams do not have any destructive power of their own, other than frying the electronics of their targets by overloading them with charged particles.
So no, they would not have been able to bring down ANY structure, never mind a 110 story skyscraper. Besides, they'd need some sort of platform to fire this beam from. Where would it be?
Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001
Millimeter-wave is just another word for extremely high frequency microwaves. High power microwaves heat their targets. Other uses are for radar, and for body scanners at airports.
They can not bring down structures.

US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006
At short distances, an airborne laser can heat up a missile to the point it fails. It can not bring down a structure.
So no, you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers.
Try again.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:13:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#77)
The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

You can't even use Wiki very well can you...
From Ground zero - Wiki

The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).

So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels.
Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:18:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: GreyLmist (#78)
it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.

Explosives could be set in areas where the planes would have been KNOWN to NOT impact.
Specialized explosives exist which can only be triggered by detonators.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:21:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: GreyLmist (#79) (Edited)
Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

You're attempting to debunk the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of nano-thermite found in the WTC debris, and spewing every ridiculous tale you can dream up of phaser beams which don't exist, nuclear explosions, massive conspiracies involving every television network and their employees, the airports, the FAA, victim's families, they ALL had to be in on it for your no-plane theories to be even remotely possible.
It's quite obvious what you and your "team" are up to, and it has nothing to do with clarifying what happened the morning of 9/11; instead, you are on a mission to dirty the waters as much as possible, mixing every looney piece of misinformation you can conjure up with a small set of actual true facts, most likely to discredit those actual facts with your ridiculously impossible assertions.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:27:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: GreyLmist (#80)
Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it

So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:28:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: GreyLmist (#79)
He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams".
In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:32:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: FormerLurker (#83) (Edited)
Me: The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

FL: You can't even use Wiki very well can you...
From Ground zero - Wiki

The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).

So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels.
Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that.

Maybe you better define what you think are the measurements for the term Ground Zero. Is it the same size as the bomb above it before it explodes? Is it the size of the bomb's pattern of explosion, regardless of any casualties and damages beyond it? Is it just precisely the very middle/hypocenter of the blast? -- a pinpoint? What are the dimensions of a hypocenter? Shima Hospital in Hiroshima? [Ref. your Wikipedia link and the red marked map of Ground Zero there, which looks like a much bigger area than a hospital.] When the WTC is spoken of as Ground Zero, the dimensions are 16 acres. [Ref. your Wikipedia link]
In the first place, as your own Wiki reference says:

The origins of the term ground zero began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The Strategic Bombing Survey of the atomic attacks, released in June 1946, used the term liberally, defining it as: "For convenience, the term 'ground zero' will be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or 'air zero.'"[4] William Laurence, an embedded reporter with the Manhattan Project, reported that "Zero" was "the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test" in 1945.[5]
The Oxford English Dictionary, citing the use of the term in a 1946 New York Times report on the destroyed city of Hiroshima, defines ground zero as "that part of the ground situated immediately under an exploding bomb, especially an atomic one."
The term was military slang, used at the Trinity site where the weapon tower for the first nuclear weapon was at "point zero", and moved into general use very shortly after the end of World War II. At Hiroshima, the hypocenter of the attack was Shima Hospital.

The points on the ground directly beneath the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are: the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- closest to the detonations as compared to their surrounding areas within the larger blast and fallout ranges. Ground Zero defined as an Air Zero coordinate point is ridiculous, imo. The bomb-target wasn't just Shima Hospital in Hiroshima. They could have used a regular bomb for that if it was, without all the "Ground Zero" hype. The bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and there were many survivors there -- more than expected. Depending on the source, 1 (certified) to 165 also survived the bombing of Nagasaki. [165 - Reference the link titorite posted: Hibakusha - Wikipedia; 1 - Reference thesurvivorsclub.org: Meet the Only Survivor of Both Atomic Bombs Dropped on Japan - Tsutomu Yamaguchi]
Secondly, the causal reason we're talking about WWII Japan here is because (at #67) you twisted my general comment (at #59) from "atomic blast zones" to "Ground Zero" but, at that time, you seemed to equate the term with the blast zones generally, too, rather than splitting hairs over the hypocenter line upward to the bomb, as you've done since then.

Me at Post #59: "We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones."
You at Post #67: "Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them."

The Hibakusha link states that 210,830 were still alive in March of this year. If you disagree, you could ask the Japanese government about that, I suppose. But if you really think that temperatures "as hot as that of the sun" were confined by Ground Zero definition in Hiroshima to the hypocenter of Shima Hospital, you shouldn't be too disagreeable, imo. I don't know at what point you actually think "ANY living creature" would have to be on this planet to survive such a temperature emanating from Japan -- the poles, maybe -- but, of course, when investigating the possibility (however remote) of nukes at the WTC on 9/11, we are not doing so on the same scale as the bombings of Japan.
Edited to expand quote from Post #67 and for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 8:24:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: GreyLmist (#88)
Not many people are going to read this here on 4um. Not sure if you are being paid to post this or you really believe it, but the government sucks at innovation and technology. If they didn't steal ideas and inventions from others then they would have nothing. I don't believe they are ahead in technology for a second because they are just slightly above the retard level. All they have is force through hired goons, intelligent people know this and do not let the world know of their inventions until they are ready to make them public on a world wide scale. The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-28 10:06:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: RickyJ, GreyLmist (#89)
The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.

So?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-11-28 10:17:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: FormerLurker (#82)
you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers.
Try again.

You at Post #27:

By "directed energy", do you mean laser, charged particle beam, neutral beam? What exactly IS this weapon you think brought down the towers?

I don't know exactly or I could have saved myself a lot of work and typing at Post #76 as a mini-perspective on Directed Energy and related issues. As I said at 4um Post #67 in that list, "I still think Christopher Bollyn's research dating back to February 2002 is highly probable." The Soviet technology in question that he mentioned (among other weaponry) can be found at 4um Posts #180 and #181 in that list.
I'm certain, though, that thermitics didn't powderize the Towers and toast the vehicles on 9/11. The reason I posted the listed info isn't so you could declare our government as a non-suspect in those matters, which you basically have; although I don't necessarily disagree, since I suspect such weaponry involved wouldn't have been from our arsenal anyway. The reason I posted the info was as a reference convenience. The reason I posted it from #5, rather than as a direct response to your 1st question at #27, was because the rigorousintuition link was at #5, which I wanted to post some historical examples from first.
Since you don't know either what might be in the arsenals of the enemies who attacked us on 9/11 with their prescripted Acts of War, I don't know what you think you are doing by trying to trivialize and shut-down any investigation along these lines besides aiding and abetting Jones who has misled people like you with his mythical "chains of evidence". He didn't craft that incongruity to catch any perps, domestic or foreign, and undoubtedly doesn't want to risk it being thrown out of a court as the inadmissable junk that it is because that would put the kibosh some on his limelight and financial prospects thereafter.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 10:45:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: RickyJ (#89)
Not sure if you are being paid to post this

You can be sure that I am not being paid to post this or anything else.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 10:52:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: GreyLmist (#88)
So you are now on record stating that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it.
Your entire reason for this is because you are trying to say that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers, with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation, and that they would survive several millions of degrees of heat. Of course this heat would not have turned cement dust to glass in your universe, nor would the blast have totally destroyed the structure instantly.
Do you think we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 10:52:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#91) (Edited)
You dismiss the bona-fide evidence and promote bizarro tales with ZERO basis in fact.
You demonstrate your lack of education in terms of what is possible and what isn't, as well as your inability to reason logically.
There IS no "atom disintegrator beam" or whatever it is you are peddling. If any such weapon existed here on Earth, we would have already experienced WWIII.
There IS however VERY strong evidence that nano-thermite explosives exist which are more powerful than standard explosives, and nano-thermite HAS BEEN FOUND in the WTC debris.
THAT explains why you are doing EVERYTHING you can to dismiss such evidence and cloud the waters with pure BS, since apparently you are in league with those whose interests are served by burying any sort of evidence which points to who actually perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 10:58:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: FormerLurker (#86)
Me: Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it
FL: So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing?

Don't be obtuse. It has nothing to do with me peddling anything. It is simply an obvious fact that WTC 1 was not significantly damaged from the barrage of debris during the downing of WTC 2, as we're told other buildings farther away were. Serendipity doesn't explain it, imo. If you can't, then wake up.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 11:16:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: GreyLmist (#91) (Edited)
I'm certain, though, that thermitics didn't powderize the Towers and toast the vehicles on 9/11.

Uh huh. Someone who thinks you could sit on a nuclear bomb and have it detonate under your fat bottom, and be able to walk away with a few minor aches and pains, is CERTAIN that nano-thermite explosives couldn't destroy floors in a structure.
ANY explosive used in a top down demolotion would have caused the cement to powderize from the high heat and air pressure created by compressing the air between the collapsing floors, combined with the explosive force of the explosives themselves, PLUS the actual impact force of the collapsing upper mass impacting the lower mass.
Nano-thermite would have most likely raised the overall temperature considerably, creating pockets of high intensity heat within the debris clouds, thus leading to scorching of things in the way, such as cars.
It is NOT science fiction, unlike the crapola you are peddling here.
For the third time on this thread, I'll post a video of various controlled demolotions. If you pay attention you'll note how the collapse creates DUST CLOUDS.

The reason I posted the listed info isn't so you could declare our government as a non-suspect in those matters, which you basically have;
Liar. Nano-thermite explosives would ONLY be available to our government, or others who have stolen the design, ie. countries such as Israel. I've posted for almost a decade that 9/11 was an inside job, providing compelling evidence of such.
And here you are, the 4um shill, trying to paint yourself as the true "9/11 warrior" fighting for truth against all odds, where you do nothing but discredit the hard work various researchers have performed over the past 10 years and spew forth ridiculous nonsense that can be so easily scientifically, logically, and factually dismissed, only a total and complete fool would try to peddle such laughable stories.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 11:21:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: GreyLmist (#95)
It is simply an obvious fact that WTC 1 was not significantly damaged from the barrage of debris during the downing of WTC 2, as we're told other buildings farther away were.

You are stating a non-fact. You were NOT there to witness the damage, and there were no close ups of the exterior walls of the uncollapsed tower after the collapse of WTC 2.
Secondly, those other buildings were damaged because debris hit the TOP of those buildings and were traveling at greater speeds since they were LOWER than the tower which collapsed.
Huge chunks of debris didn't hit the other tower, whereas large solid chunks of debris obviously DID hit the lower buildings. In fact, aren't you telling everyone that the entire building turned to dust? If it was nothing but dust, then how was dust supposed to damage the other tower?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 11:26:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: GreyLmist (#95)
Besides what I just posted in terms of your claims that WTC 1 was undamaged by the collapse of WTC 2, exactly what ARE you trying to say? Are you stating that the buildings did NOT collapse? Or are you saying that the videos of the collapse were produced in a super secret Hollywood studio, and that they actually simply disintegrated like on Star Trek?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 11:31:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#87)
You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams".
In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance).

I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism. Questioning Directed Energy isn't hopping all over anything. I don't think you have all the correct answers so I'm surely not going to stop questioning because you think that you do and act as if it shouldn't be discussed or not before a specific type is silently sensed.
Electromagnetism

Pic caption: The phenomena associated with lightning (left) and magnets (right) are both caused by electromagnetism, one of the four fundamental forces of nature.
Different frequencies of oscillation give rise to the different forms of electromagnetic radiation, from radio waves at the lowest frequencies, to visible light at intermediate frequencies, to gamma rays at the highest frequencies.

Is there anything you don't want to argue about?
Maybe you've heard of a puzzle on the grounds of CIA HQ at Langley: Kryptos. I tried to decipher the unsolved section years ago and, in the process, I saw a 9/11 pattern in the frequencies of the letters, even though it was there since 11-3-1990. I suspect the reason that last section is harder to solve than the previous 3 is because there could be a skip-sequence between some phrases that switches to a different decoding method. The reason I'm mentioning it is because the 2nd section was reported as solved before that sculpture happened onto my radar screen, so to speak, and it reads:

IT WAS TOTALLY INVISIBLE HOWS THAT POSSIBLE ? THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED UNDERGRUUND TO AN UNKNOWN LOCATION X DOES LANGLEY KNOW ABOUT THIS ? THEY SHOULD ITS BURIED OUT THERE SOMEWHERE X WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ? ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE X THIRTY EIGHT DEGREES FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES SIX POINT FIVE SECONDS NORTH SEVENTY SEVEN DEGREES EIGHT MINUTES FORTY FOUR SECONDS WEST X LAYER TWO

Speaking of underground locations, I was watching part of a documentary recently about New York from a series called, "Underground Cities", iirc. The railroad there was secret and cars were secretly transported on elevators -- one was FDR's. I thought it was quite interesting and wouldn't rule out that something destructive might have been directed from underground on 9/11.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 12:29:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: GreyLmist (#99) (Edited)
I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Other than heating effects as seen in microwave ovens, or as in some "non- lethal" battlefield microwave devices, WTF do you think is so magical about radio waves that it can disintegrate a 110 story building?
Huh?
To you, actual evidence found in the debris, as in NANO-THERMITE, is incapable of heating anything up, whereas ficticious weapons such as phaser beams from an orbitting space ship make perfect sense.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 13:00:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: FormerLurker (#93) (Edited)
So you are now on record stating that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it.
Your entire reason for this is because you are trying to say that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers, with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation, and that they would survive several millions of degrees of heat. Of course this heat would not have turned cement dust to glass in your universe, nor would the blast have totally destroyed the structure instantly.
Do you think we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well?

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I don't know why that line copied from your post but I have not said that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it. Everyone at the Shima Hospital hypocenter in Hiroshima reportedly died from the explosion. Everyone in the Hiroshima blast zone did not.
Nor have I said that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation. In fact, I posted commentary at Post #76 from a Lt. who may have been exposed to gamma rays.
You are the only one who insists on talking about standing directly under a nuclear bomb. I was talking about such blast zones more generally. Where in the WWII Japan cities targeted do you think the "several millions of degrees of heat" stopped and cooled down enough for there to be any survivors? Since there were survivors, even near the blast center, maybe you should ask yourself if we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well -- not me. How big do you think those cities were?
I don't think it takes "several millions of degrees of heat" to turn cement dust to glass. Do you just make anything up that you want to pin on me and think it's going to fly or what? Again, we aren't talking about the same scale of bombs as over Japan. Even so, you don't really know that there weren't people killed from much smaller nukes at the WTC. You just presume they were killed from jet fuel/office fires and a thermitic "blast furnace" -- and "pancaking".
Edited for grammar, next to last sentence of paragraph 3 and last sentence of the last paragraph, after the hyphenation there.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 13:30:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: FormerLurker (#100)
Me: I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Other than heating effects as seen in microwave ovens, or as in some "non- lethal" battlefield microwave devices, WTF do you think is so magical about radio waves that it can disintegrate a 110 story building?
Huh?
To you, actual evidence found in the debris, as in NANO-THERMITE, is incapable of heating anything up, whereas ficticious weapons such as phaser beams from an orbitting space ship make perfect sense.

Are you trying to convince me that you're just a heckling noisemaker? You don't have to try so much.
Did you even read the excerpts from the Electromagnetism Wikipedia link? I don't thinks so. See if you can grasp this paraphrasing this time: Radio waves are low frequency electromagnetism. Gamma rays are high frequency electromagnetism. That does not mean that gamma rays are radio waves, nor are radio waves synonymous with the intermediate frequency range.
Who says there was actual evidence of nano-thermite in the debris? Jones doesn't count as reliable source. What he claims as evidence of that is what's bizarre and appears fictitious. Does he pay you to be his assistant? Are you aware that America isn't the only country that has nano-thermite?
Try slowing down and counting to 10 or 110 before you hit send again so that you can give your automatic writings a bit more thought. This stormy transmission fell flatter than a WTC pancake on my grading scale.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:16:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: GreyLmist (#102)
Try to find ANY radio wave capable of causing molecular disintegration on a scale required to bring down a 110 story building. In fact, find me ANY electromagnetic wave or beam weapon capable of bringing down ANY building.
And I'm not talking about what you see in science fiction movies.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:22:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: GreyLmist (#102)
Who says there was actual evidence of nano-thermite in the debris?

Apparently you've been so busy looking into phaser rays you overlooked the actual bonafide evidence pertaining to 9/11.
There's Dr. Niels Harrit of Copenhagen University, for one...
Niels Holger Harrit, PhD
Here's a vid you may want to watch.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:27:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: FormerLurker (#103)
Do you think everything about Directed Energy, Electromagnetism, and Molecular Dissociation is radio waves? It don't think that's so.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:33:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: FormerLurker (#104)
I'll try to watch that later. He's like a Jones parrot, imo, so his credibility with me on the thermitic subject is likewise in the range of absolute zero.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:39:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: GreyLmist (#101)
For one, you are trying to sell the notion that nuclear explosives were used to bring down the towers. That IS what you're saying isn't it?
You ignore the VERY real fact that nuclear explosions produce LETHAL radiation. Such radiation would have killed any humans within the immediate area instantly.
You ALSO ignore the fact that nuclear explosions produce temperatures comparable to that of the sun. We are not talking about an air burst thousands of feet over the target, we (more like YOU) are talking about a device INSIDE the WTC towers.
Thus, temperatures within the WTC WOULD HAVE BEEN in the millions of degrees. Yet you overlook such critical facts.
You ALSO overlook the fact that a nuclear detonation would have created a spherical burst, and would have been VERY noticable had it of happened.
So YOU ma'am overlook ALL critical facts, stomp your feet that it HAS to be as you say, and accuse those who are better educated than you of either being stupid or planting "disinfo".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:39:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: FormerLurker (#85) (Edited)
nuclear explosions, massive conspiracies involving every television network and their employees, the airports, the FAA, victim's families, they ALL had to be in on it for your no-plane theories to be even remotely possible.

I have never said "ALL" knowingly. Now let's talk about the airports and the FAA. Are you claiming they wouldn't have been in on your remote control theory?
Edited 1st and 2nd sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:46:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: GreyLmist (#105) (Edited)
Do you think everything about Directed Energy, Electromagnetism, and Molecular Dissociation is radio waves? It don't think that's so.

Coherent light (LASER), and directed RADIO WAVES, whether or not they be high frequency (as in microwaves or millimeter waves) can ONLY heat their targets.
Charged particle beams will destroy electronics by damaging silicon and/or gallium arsenide semiconductor junctions.
EMP devices can overload conductive materials with induced currents, thus disabling electrical devices ranging from motors, transformers, and electronic devices.
You will NOT find any other sort of "electromagnetic" weapon, since electromagnetic devices can only heat their targets or disable electrical devices.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: GreyLmist (#108)
let's talk about the airports and the FAA. Are you claiming they wouldn't have been in on your remote control theory?

Of course not. The airports needn't have had anything at all to do with the swapping of planes in flight, and the FAA would not have been aware of it if the planes were swapped with the transponders turned off.
Primary radar only "sees" location, not altitude, thus a swap would have been possible with another plane climbing into the flight path of the original plane, flying side by side momentarily, then having the original plane descend.
Not only that, but the "war games" that morning inserted MANY false blips on FAA radar, guaranteeing that the controllers would be confused as to what they were seeing.
Adding to that is the issue of at least one of the "hijacked" aircraft having been flown through a blind spot in primary radar coverage.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:51:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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