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Title: 911 What Happened - Not How It Happened - Dr Judy Wood
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gFW-sZrmSs
Published: Nov 16, 2012
Author: Judy Wood
Post Date: 2012-11-16 10:10:44 by Horse
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Views: 1414
Comments: 115

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#1. To: Horse (#0)
Good interview. Saw in the Description Section at the YouTube site that Dr. Wood was on Jesse Ventura's show [11-14-12] so I watched that on YouTube too. Found since that it was filmed over a year ago for the previous season but was put on hold or something.
Conspiracy Theory S03E02 Death Ray

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-20 23:55:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: GreyLmist (#1)
Very good. Thanks for posting it.
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James Deffenbach posted on 2012-11-21 0:40:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
You're welcome, James.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-21 1:24:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Horse (#0)
That woman is a total nutcase that could have had a hand in the murder of one of her students. She is being used by disinfo agents to discredit 9/11 truth.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-21 2:01:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: RickyJ (#4) (Edited)
As I told you some time ago, the evidence points to Steven Jones in that case, the link being Jones' involvement with Cold Fusion and the victim's uncle, William/Bill Zebhur who had worked with Cold Fusion scientist, Eugene/Gene Mallove, who was also murdered.
Edit to add reference link:
rigorousintuition.ca • View topic - Where Did The Towers Go?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-21 3:11:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: RickyJ (#4)
Ask 911 Truthers how one million tons of concrete, steel and office equipment was turned into dust. When you get an answer, then you have a right to criticize her.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2012-11-21 17:37:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Horse (#6) (Edited)
No steel turned into dust, it was military grade explosive nano-thermite that cut through the supports and tons of explosives that turned the concrete to dust. No space beams, no unknown technology. The evidence highly supports this. People like Wood are paid government agents to put disinfo out.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-21 19:13:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Horse, RickyJ (#6)
Ask 911 Truthers how one million tons of concrete, steel and office equipment was turned into dust. When you get an answer, then you have a right to criticize her.

C4 combined with nanothermite had a LOT to do with the end result. Thousands of tons of concrete accelerating at free fall speed, due to demolished underlying support structures, can pick up a LOT of kinetic energy, enough to pulverize anything in it's way.
I had read Judy Wood's "billard ball" analysis about a decade or so ago, and pretty much agreed with it. Thing is, she's gone on the exotic weaponry tangent and can't seem to comprehend the very real dynamics of what was involved in what happened that day. Since she insists there could not POSSIBLY be a more conventional explanation, and guides the reader into thinking the same, I can see no other reason for that than she is actively diverting attention away from the ACTUAL facts of that day, tricking MANY people into a cesspool of unfounded and unsupporatable assertions and speculation.
Realistically, there IS no actual evidence of any exotic weaponry, everything witnessed, recorded, and documented could have been accomplished with what I mentioned, C4 and nanothermite.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-21 19:52:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: RickyJ (#4) (Edited)
She is being used by disinfo agents to discredit 9/11 truth.

I'm getting REALLY sick and tired of this entire 9/11 thing, and I've been a vocal critic of the government lies since before I even signed up here on 4um half a decade ago.
The disinfo, and the effects it has on unsuspecting readers, has been amazing. They have more power over the general public than those who present facts and actual truth.
So why should I care, when apparently, many of those who proclaim themselves "truthers" don't?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-21 19:55:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: FormerLurker (#9)
So why should I care, when apparently, many of those who proclaim themselves "truthers" don't?

Many that proclaim themselves truthers aren't really truthers. Real truthers don't push anything that can't be backed up by the evidence, only those that are easily fooled or disinfo agents would do that.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-21 20:14:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker, *9-11* (#10)
911 Where Did The Towers Go? Wake Up!

Music, lyrics, Vocals: Charlie Pound
Verse 1:
Where did the towers go? Away with the breeze that blows.
And how much steel did they find? Could it be shipped in time?
I don't know I haven't seen the receipt, but it doesn't make sense to me!
All those cars in a line, door handles and engines gone.
I'd tell you if I could, but you need to ask Judy Wood.
Before you accuse someone, you better make damn sure you know what was done!
Chorus:
Wake up! this is your alarm!
Wake up!
Verse 2:
So while you're sitting on the fence, why don't you check the evidence?
I'll tell you something that you'll learn, World Trade Center paper doesn't burn.
And how could those buildings fall, with a seismic impact so small?
I know that something's wrong, eight seconds the north tower's gone.
I'd tell you if I could, but you need to ask Judy Wood.
Before you accuse someone you better make sure you know how it was done!
Chorus:
Wake up! this is your alarm!
Wake up!
Middle eight:
You know it was 2001,
here we are and we're still arguing!
Chorus:
Wake up! this is your alarm!
Wake up! this is your alarm!
Wake up!
Wake up!
Wake up!
"The towers didn't burn up, nor did they slam to the ground. They turned into dust in mid air." Dr Judy Wood
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-22 20:30:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: christine, Pinguinite (#11)
Have been noticing a problem with my videos being blanked out -- just mine, in this thread and earlier today at this one by me but those reappeared: Suspect: AMEC, ... did renovations to Pentagon, WTC b.7. ???
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-22 20:45:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#11)
"The towers didn't burn up, nor did they slam to the ground. They turned into dust in mid air." Dr Judy Wood

True statement.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-11-22 21:15:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: wudidiz, *9-11* (#13)
Giftgiving suggestion:
Where Did The Towers Go? - The Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9-11

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-22 22:17:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: GreyLmist (#14)
Pitiful! The woman is selling a book now? Why don't you rush out and get your copy personally signed by this nut. Her own students in her class describe her as a moron. She has the credentials, but she lacks the intelligence and the evidence to be anything other than a disinfo agent.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-22 23:31:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: FormerLurker (#8)
That Kinetic energy would not pulverize a million tons before it hit the ground. Nanothermite and C4 do not have enough energy to do what they did on mid-air.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2012-11-23 3:21:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: RickyJ (#15) (Edited)
she lacks the intelligence and the evidence to be anything other than a disinfo agent.

She lacks neither. And what's your remote control "evidence" again? That the technology has been in existence for quite some time and Dov Zakheim is a profiteer in that field? As we know, Directed Energy technology is not new. The difference between her evidence and yours is that remote control doesn't explain the destruction of the Towers, nor does Jones' thermitic theories. The observed evidence does support her WMD theory and that implicates some other names too, like Boeing and Raytheon and affiliates. Zakheim is still a Financial/PNAC/War Profiteering suspect.
Edited typos.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-23 15:29:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: GreyLmist (#17) (Edited)
All you really have to know to know that there was no "directed energy" weapon used on the WTC towers on 9/11/2001 is the fact that there were survivors of the towers collapse. Any directed energy weapon capable of pulverizing concrete and turning industrial strength steel specifically manufactured for use in sky scrapers into "dust" would ensure that there would be no survivors.
Yet, I predict you will ignore this fact and keep pushing the "directed energy" weapon caused the destruction of the WTC towers despite facts and evidence directly contradicting it.
By all means, keep pushing scenarios that lack facts and evidence and you will earn your salary as a 9/11 disinfo agent.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-23 15:47:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: FormerLurker (#9)
So why should I care, when apparently, many of those who proclaim themselves "truthers" don't?

Real Truthers ALWAYS CARE. Always. We can not give up, we do not forget, we get to the bottom of things and we share what we learn and you can take it or leave it.
Getting to know the truth is about setting ourselves free.
We share the information that others maybe free as well.
We do all this because we care a great deal.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 15:48:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: titorite (#19)
Well said - thanks.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2012-11-23 16:16:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Lod (#20)
Ah, but the problem is titorite doesn't care about the truth. He ignores strong facts and evidence that indicates what most likely happened on 9/11 and pushes the highly improbable that lacks facts and evidence when there no reason to do so.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-23 16:56:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: RickyJ (#21)
You're wrong - he cares greatly about learning the truth.
No one knows exactly what happened on 911. (Except those who committed it.)
All we know is that fedcorp's story is a total lie, just like most everything else that they tell us.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2012-11-23 17:27:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: RickyJ (#21) (Edited)
Ah, but the problem is titorite doesn't care about the truth. He ignores strong facts and evidence that indicates what most likely happened on 9/11 and pushes the highly improbable that lacks facts and evidence when there no reason to do so.

No amount of profanity I have ever used will match the vulgarity you have posted above.
First of all Facts are neither strong nor weak. They are true statements. That is the definition of a fact: A truth.
Regardless of how improbable it may seem.
And once you have the facts their is no reason not to share them... or, for that matter, their is no reason not to share our speculations as well.
Because, thats all we have right? Our speculations... And their is nothing wrong with talking about it and sharing our hypothesis....So why on gods green earth would anyone , let alone truthers, want to stop anyone from sharing their speculations?
For what does it benefit one human to tell the other human to "shut up" and not talk about it?
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 17:31:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Horse (#0)
I liked her emphasis on maintaining a distance from speculation and cultivating basis in what know, that we know, that we know.
It may sound funny to some but I'm sure all the right people get it.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 18:17:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Horse (#16)
That Kinetic energy would not pulverize a million tons before it hit the ground. Nanothermite and C4 do not have enough energy to do what they did on mid-air.

Not to be facetious Horse, but how do you KNOW this to be fact? Did you calculate all the necessary factors, and arrive at your determination through science, or is this just a "hunch"?
How many OTHER 110 story skyscrapers have been demolished in this way in order to compare the effects? Have you ever actually SEEN a "regular" controlled demolition?
Look at the following video and then come back and tell my they used "directed energy beams" to accomplish what you saw.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:29:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Lod, RickyJ, All (#22)
All we know is that fedcorp's story is a total lie, just like most everything else that they tell us.

Yes, WE all know that. HOWEVER, with the more wild, unsubstantiated, "truther" stories out there, which CAN be scientifically and factually dismissed since the evidence proves them to be untrue, those who DON'T know, or are on the fence concerning what may have happened that day, assume ALL "truthers" are uneducated crackpots who'll believe ANYTHING.
And that certainly doesn't do any good for the cause of TRUTH.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:33:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#17)
As we know, Directed Energy technology is not new.

Please list any known type of directed energy weapons which can bring down a 110 story skyscraper.
By "directed energy", do you mean laser, charged particle beam, neutral beam? What exactly IS this weapon you think brought down the towers?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:36:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: titorite (#23)
For what does it benefit one human to tell the other human to "shut up" and not talk about it?

when did this conversation wander into the role of the media?
Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
farmfriend posted on 2012-11-23 18:41:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: FormerLurker (#26)
Like you, I've read and viewed it all.
I wouldn't dismiss neutron bombs to smoke the towers.
I really don't know, and don't dismiss anything.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2012-11-23 18:44:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: titorite, Lod, RickyJ (#19)
Real Truthers ALWAYS CARE. Always. We can not give up, we do not forget, we get to the bottom of things and we share what we learn and you can take it or leave it.

Each and every time I have attempted to present facts when conversing with you in regards to the 9/11 attacks, you have attacked me with a barrage of profantities and insults, along with wild claims with no basis in fact.
Seems to me if you actually cared about what the TRUTH was, you wouldn't behave in that manner.
Since you must have guessed by now I had bozo'd you, apparently you thought you'd play the nice guy in speaking to my handle, trying to score some "points". You're just the gift that keeps on giving.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:45:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: FormerLurker (#30)
I have never profaned you.
Nor any other member here.
Get a grip.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2012-11-23 18:48:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Lod (#29) (Edited)
I wouldn't dismiss neutron bombs to smoke the towers.

Lod, do you know what a neutron bomb is designed to do?
It is designed to kill as many people as possible with radiation, while leaving infrastructure intact as much as possible.
Basically, it is an anti-personel device, designed to be used if it was determined that it would be best to anhilate a population, while leaving their city largely untouched.
It would be the opposite of the sort of weapon that would be necessary to destroy a structure where it was desired to produce little or no lethal radiation.
If a neutron bomb HAD been detonated on 9/11 in NYC, thousands of people, perhaps 10's of thousands or more, would have been dead within hours if they were anywhere near the WTC area when it happened.
Additionally, since we are talking about a nuclear device, there would have been a HUGE EMP, frying any electronic equipment in the vicinity, AND, there would have been a VERY bright flash of light from the towers as the detonation occured, along with a massive burst of debris emanating from the location of the detonation. The towers would not have nor could not have collapsed from the top down as they did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:53:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Lod (#31)
I have never profaned you.
Nor any other member here.
Get a grip.

I was addressing the post to titorite, and just included you in the ping list so that you saw it.
If you doubt what I say, just do a search of posts from titorite to myself. He was especially vile in the 9/11 thread concerning switching aircraft.
I could give you some links if you prefer.
You could also check his posts to RickyJ in that same thread. It wasn't just me who was getting piled on.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:55:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Lod, RickyJ (#31)
Get a grip.

And THIS is exactly what meant earlier when I said I am really starting to NOT care about 9/11 any longer, as this exchange proves just how easy it is for someone with ill intent to paint their target as the bad guy, and those who I personally trusted and looked up to, such as yourself, fall for it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 18:59:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: farmfriend (#28)
when did this conversation wander into the role of the media?

LOL! Ah, Our beloved media. May no one ever claim they informed us.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 19:56:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: FormerLurker, lod, GreyLmist, wudidiz, RickyJ, horse, itistoolate, christine, all, Ping, pang walla walla bing bang. (#30)
Each and every time I have attempted to present facts when conversing with you in regards to the 9/11 attacks, you have attacked me with a barrage of profantities and insults, along with wild claims with no basis in fact.
Seems to me if you actually cared about what the TRUTH was, you wouldn't behave in that manner.
Since you must have guessed by now I had bozo'd you, apparently you thought you'd play the nice guy in speaking to my handle, trying to score some "points". You're just the gift that keeps on giving.

FormerLurker,
That is the weirdest.... weakest... lamest attempt at a conversation twist and guilt redirection.
I have no clue nor interest in what you do with your settings.
In fact I am tired of addressing you because when ever we converse the subject always seems to stray from 911 and into personal nit pickings. And While I can quote where I have said I was mistaken and what not...whats the point?
Instead of making this about me and you or you vrs the world or any other nonesense thing, instead , how about we talk about what we know.... and what this thread is about.

We know we have all kinds of DEW weapons. D.A.P.A.R. doesn't make wicker baskets. It makes military advancements. It is completely possible DEW weapons were used. They existed at that time... nothing being put forward in this interview was fringe. Ms, Woods even stressed avoiding speculation and grounding our conclusions in what can be proven by peer reviewed... PEER REVIEWED.
Peer Review Definition Dec 26, 2005 ... Peer review is the evaluation of creative work or performance by other people in the same field in order to maintain or enhance the quality
So we can see she is not afraid of having her worked double checked and debunked.
To do that though FIRST you must know exactly what it is we are talking about...what the fruits of her labour has been, in said peer review paper.
If you have issue with her findings the point out her work exactly and speak up on what your exact boggle is with her work. And I stress "her" here because I am not wanting to know about the work of others by comparisons. I am familer(sp) with other peoples research. Specifically , if you find flaw in Woods work , I would like to keep it about her work and where you find any issue in it...
Sound good?
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 20:18:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: titorite (#36)
We know we have all kinds of DEW weapons

Name me ONE which can bring down a 110 story skyscraper.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 20:20:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: titorite, christine, tom007, RickyJ, *9-11* (#36)
D.A.P.A.R. doesn't make wicker baskets

You don't even know how to spell it. It's called DARPA.
BTW, there IS no reason why any exotic device would have been necessary to bring down the towers as witnessed.
A controlled sequence of detonations using C4 cutting charges, enhanced perhaps with the addition of nano-thermite, would easily have collapsed floors below the point of collapse, causing the upper structure to pulverize the weakened floors below it as it fell, resulting in a near free fall collapse.
Precision timing achieved by computer control would have been all that was necessary to accomplish the task.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 20:28:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: All, *9-11* (#36)
Concerning Dr. Judy Wood, she herself had explained the collapse as being of sequential failure, and proved how and why that is so.
It's bizarre that she hop on this "directed energy beam" tale, when her own research proves that it was a sequential collapse due to elimination of each floor under the collapsing structure.
A Refutation of the Official Collapse Theory - Dr. Judy Wood
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 20:41:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: FormerLurker (#38)
A controlled sequence of detonations using C4 cutting charges, enhanced perhaps with the addition of nano-thermite,

Something pulverized the concrete, in sequence, and it wasn't a pancaking building from ten stories above.
We are total FOOLS for going along with this shit. There I said it.
Why does not the government open an investigation into this.......
O yeh.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2012-11-23 20:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: FormerLurker (#37)
Name me ONE which can bring down a 110 story skyscraper.

Just one? I have the internet at my disposal. I could name dozens upon dozens in both practical and plausible to the theoretical yet applicable...
High intensity Laser,microwave resonance, perhaps a micro kinetic pellet...I mean, how much do you know about coil guns? Or DEW weapons in general? Are you intimate with the wide range of subject matter and what is in use?

Now, you brought up my miss spelling of D.A.R.P.A. . Was their a reason you did not use proper punctuation of the acronym? Not to split hairs here but this was the exact kind of nit pick bull shit I spoke to earlier. Everyone knew what I meant even you...but only you sought to call it out as if it were a relevant point. Our grammar and minor mistakes their in and of, is irrelevant to the topic at hand. Ms. Judy Woods and her interview here and her work. Try not to detract by distraction but rather , help us stick with the topic at hand. Please.
I'll try hard too.
:)

As for their being no reason for DEW weapons being involved.... well... that is kinda what this interview is about.. and her work... and this whole entire topic that is being discussed.... and you still have not spoken to any flaw or failing you find in her work. You offer alternative theories and that is all well and good but you do not cite what you find to be incorrect , point by point.
Soooooooo.........
Did you wanna talk about her interview and what she suggests?
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 20:50:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Lod (#29)
Like you, I've read and viewed it all.
I wouldn't dismiss neutron bombs to smoke the towers.
I really don't know, and don't dismiss anything.

Yes L, there with you.
I don't dismiss much, anyway.
My point is that a REAL INVESTIGATION could easily get to the bottom of a whole lot of 9-11 but high officials seem uninterested in the subject that has started a world war.
Kinda like WW1.
And WW2.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2012-11-23 20:50:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: tom007 (#40)
Something pulverized the concrete, in sequence, and it wasn't a pancaking building from ten stories above.

It was free fall pancaking, indicating the underlying floor below the collapsing structure had lost ALL structural integrity prior to the upper structure crashing into it.
The increased speed of the upper structure caused a much higher release of kinetic energy than would otherwise have occured, enabling the pulverization of the area of impact.
If the lower floors had NOT been wired for demolition, then the collapse would NOT have been symmetrical nor would if have occured at near free fall speed.
In fact, IF the upper structure had impacted INTACT floors, the collapse would have drastically slowed down and stopped after perhaps 10 or so floors, and the upper structure would have slid off the remaining tower, crashing down into the streets of New York.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 20:55:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: tom007 (#40)
We are total FOOLS for going along with this shit. There I said it.
Why does not the government open an investigation into this.......
O yeh.

In the interview she went over a very valid point...
We the people , are looking into this. We need to know. Given the circumstances of the event and all that was involved in every level, we need to know everything we can about this ESPECIALLY the complete existence of the exact types of weapons they used, down to the serial numbers and manufacturer(s).
The more we all know about this kind of technology the better off we will all be. The more understanding we have , the less likely it will be that such power will be able to be used in such a manner again...the better off we will all be.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 20:56:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: Lod (#22) (Edited)
You're wrong - he cares greatly about learning the truth.

I have to disagree with you on that. The truth isn't mystical or magical, it can be clearly seen from available evidence what most likely took place on the day of 9/11. There might be small details here and there that are different but I highly doubt anything major. Anyway, I have already stated why his theory of directed energy could not have been what caused the towers to collapse. He won't address that because he doesn't care about the truth.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-23 20:58:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: RickyJ (#45) (Edited)
He won't address that because he doesn't care about the truth.

Well,

Thank God at least one of us care about the truth.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 20:59:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: titorite (#41) (Edited)
High intensity Laser,microwave resonance, perhaps a micro kinetic pellet...I mean, how much do you know about coil guns? Or DEW weapons in general? Are you intimate with the wide range of subject matter and what is in use?

You think a laser wouldn't be visible if it were powerful enough to heat up a building sufficiently to cause it to instantly fall into itself? You're confusing Star Trek phasers with what a real laser is. It's simply amplified light, and it simply heats things up. We have NOTHING which can bring down a building, in fact, it's hard enough to heat up a missile in order to destroy it.
Such beams are NOT powerful enough in the atmosphere to do any significant damage except for objects at a very short range.
Ok, so it wasn't a laser.
Microwave resonance? Fancy word for microwave heating effects, where here, we are talking more about anti-personel or (non lethal) weapons designed for combat or riot situations.
Micro kinetic pellet? A hyper-velocity pellet might go through a battleship, but it pretty much just makes a clean hole. It certainly did not nor could it have brought down the WTC.
So can you find any sort of "directed energy weapon" which COULD bring down the WTC?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 21:06:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: titorite, Lod (#46)
Well,
Thank God at least one of us care about the truth.

He finally admits he doesn’t care about the truth. I told you.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-23 21:07:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: FormerLurker (#47) (Edited)
Whatever directed energy weapon they could come up with still wouldn't fit the available evidence since there were survivors of the WTC collapse. Any directed energy weapon that would turn concrete and steel beams into dust surely would have killed any humans as well.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-23 21:11:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: RickyJ, FormerLurker (#48) (Edited)
Sigh

Fuck it , I tried to get yall talking about her work specificly , since this topic was about her and her research. ..but it seems yall can not point out any flaw or are unwilling to attempt it.
At least I think we all know now where you two stand in the line and what loyalties yall perfer serve.
I'll see yall never. It's been real and it's been fun but it aint been real fun, know what mean?

Laters.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 21:16:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: titorite (#41)
Now, you brought up my miss spelling of D.A.R.P.A. . Was their a reason you did not use proper punctuation of the acronym?

First off, it demonstrates you've probably never even read anything in terms of who they are and what they do. DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
If you look up the word, that is what it stands for.
AND, just like every other alphabet soup agency, they do not place punctuation inbetween the letters.
I mean, the FBI doesn't use F.B.I., nor does the CIA use C.I.A
I am thinking you just heard the acronym on YouTube and are spelling it phonetically, being that you didn't notice the R in the first syllable, and heard it in the second syllable where it doesn't belong.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 21:20:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: RickyJ (#49)
Any directed energy weapon that would turn concrete and steel beams into dust surely would have killed any humans as well.

There are other factors which eliminates directed energy weapons as well.
One such item is that any sort of weapon powerful enough to disintegrate a skyscraper would need MASSIVE amounts of power, and would most likely be MASSIVE in size. Where would such a weapon be fired from, and where it would it get its energy?

Another is the matter of how would such a weapon be selective in its destructive power, where not only would it not ALSO destroy objects and structures in back of its target, but that it would be able to focus its energy on EXACTLY where it needed to be in order to cause a sequential top down collapse, progressing downwards as the collapse took place.
If we had such weapons, we would be using them right now against any nation that the elites wanted to attack. It would be more devastating than the nuclear bomb, and such unbalanced power would most assuredly result in a global conflict of unmatched proportion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 21:28:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: titorite, RickyJ (#50)
At least I think we all know now where you two stand in the line and what loyalties yall perfer serve.

Uh huh. Back to the personal stuff against me know, right titorite, since you've lost the argument and can't back up your claims.
If you noticed, I HAVE posted some of Judy Wood's earlier work. She made the case for EXACTLY what I AM saying, in that it was a sequential failure which caused the upper mass to accelerate at near free fall speed.
Neither you nor her have been able to say exactly why C4 or other conventional explosive devices could not have been used to cause that sequential failure from occuring exactly as it did.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 21:32:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: FormerLurker (#52)
There are other factors which eliminates directed energy weapons as well.

The towers were blown outward, No?
Credible evidence of asbestoes, and strange elevator shaft activity before the event. We are collective FOOLS for putting up with this corruption.
The only conclusion I must come to is the existing (jewish owned?) government is behind 9-11.
Prove me wrong.
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
tom007 posted on 2012-11-23 21:41:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: RickyJ (#45)
He won't address that because he doesn't care about the truth.

If he cared about truth he wouldn't have just turned tail and ran. If he cared about truth, he would have either admitted he was wrong and apologized, or presented factual information which bolstered his view.
Thus far, he's called on me to disprove Judy Wood's work, where her OWN previous work demonstrates the opposite of what he is claiming.
Also thus far, he can't seem to find ANY sort of directed energy weapon which exists that could have accomplished what he claims.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 21:42:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: tom007 (#54)
The towers were blown outward, No?

Correct. However, SOME of the horizontal force can be explained by the compression of the air inbetween floors.
The force of EXPLOSIVES however, would greatly enhance that horizontal force, heating and compressing the air even further. Such heat and high pressure were most likely huge factors in the pulverization of the concrete.
In terms of who was behind 9/11, it's obvious that the government is ACTIVELY covering this matter up. In terms of who could have orchestrated the "war games" that morning to coincide with the actual attacks, we all know the answer to that.
Add to that the HUGE coincidence of that part of the Pentagon containing the accounting records which would have revealed where that "missing" 2.2 TRILLION dollars went to was just exactly where that angry arab decided to strike, well, I think we can get a REALLY good idea of who was behind the entire thing.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-23 21:49:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: Horse (#0)
Isn't it interesting that you can tell someone is a lunatic just from her face?
There are actually govt agents who spread conspiracy theories among the gullible to help promote the illusion that the govt is all powerful.
Turtle posted on 2012-11-23 22:29:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Turtle (#57)
Isn't it interesting that you can tell someone is a lunatic just from her face?

Turn the brightness up on your computer so you stop mistaking your reflection on the screen. ;)
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-23 23:17:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#52) (Edited)
If we had such weapons, we would be using them right now against any nation that the elites wanted to attack. It would be more devastating than the nuclear bomb, and such unbalanced power would most assuredly result in a global conflict of unmatched proportion.

You keep presuming that such weapons would have to be ours rather than a foreign attacker's but there's no reason for us to go back again to square one and re-establish the obvious fact that America isn't the only country with Directed Energy/WMD technology. We don't need to play parlor guessing games about what's in America's secret arsenals and the secret arsenals of others that can topple your Jonesian-model, which has never logically explained what happened that day anyway. It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.
We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones. Apparently, you want us to believe that wouldn't be the case on 9/11 with a smaller nuke of some sort or with Directed Energy weaponry either but somehow they would survive being flash-fried by a nano- thermite/thermate explosion -- because it was actually a very low to no-flash form of thermite/thermate that didn't produce much light or heat, just "pancake powder"?? The so-called pancaking powder flew up and outward as the buildings came down. That tells us that there wasn't the weight crashing down that would be required to pulverize the structures.
9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group. Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-24 4:22:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: GreyLmist (#59)
Why is it that you think a directed energy weapon could be contained within such a narrow range as the building and produce such massive damage yet leave human survivors? Please, we all weren't born yesterday. The firemen heard explosions before the building started coming down. What you saw on TV was tons of explosives going off sequentially on each floor. You ask what about the impact zone? Well, you think there was no real planes, so that shouldn't be a problem for you, but you will also notice that the impact zone was the only area that did not explode, the rest of the building did, but the impact area didn't. Obviously they didn't have any explosives in that area.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-24 4:38:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: FormerLurker (#55) (Edited)
Thus far, he's called on me to disprove Judy Wood's work, where her OWN previous work demonstrates the opposite of what he is claiming.

You've been called on to address the current issues, not her previous work. Lots pf people have had to readjust their earlier assessments regarding 9/11. Nothing unusual about that except with Christopher Bollyn, for example, who duplicitously and hostilely postures as if the subject of possible DEW/Beam weaponry originated with Judy Wood when it is traceable to him [as early as Feb 14, 2002].
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-24 4:44:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: RickyJ (#60) (Edited)
Why is it that you think a directed energy weapon could be contained within such a narrow range as the building and produce such massive damage yet leave human survivors? Please, we all weren't born yesterday. The firemen heard explosions before the building started coming down. What you saw on TV was tons of explosives going off sequentially on each floor. You ask what about the impact zone? Well, you think there was no real planes, so that shouldn't be a problem for you, but you will also notice that the impact zone was the only area that did not explode, the rest of the building did, but the impact area didn't. Obviously they didn't have any explosives in that area.

You are right that it isn't a problem for no planers like me that the alleged impacts didn't damage or trigger a preset controlled demolition. Your debate team, though, should have some plausible hypotheticals about it besides serendipity. Thanks for your statement that there were no explosives in those areas but how could anyone be confident that explosive impacts would be contained so as not to interfere with or trigger the areas that were prepared with explosives? They couldn't, imo. I'm not against the idea of conventional controlled demolitions being used as well that day, probably as backup and cover for the evidently unconventional methods that pulverized the structures. What we saw on TV was like a terrifying art show. Since Jones hasn't adequately explained the devastation and you don't think exotic weaponry was used, what's the alternatives left? I doubt you want to consider the possibility that it was completely staged media fakery but, however it happened, Jones' Pied Piper routine is defunct.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-24 5:42:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: titorite, farmfriend, All (#35) (Edited)
farmfriend: when did this conversation wander into the role of the media?

titorite: LOL! Ah, Our beloved media. May no one ever claim they informed us.

9/11 is a horrific view of what the media's roll has been for centuries -- to provide bread and circuses as filler until the governmental wannabe "gods and goddesses" demand human sacrifices. Then they act as enabler "high priests and priestesses" to condition the masses for the slaughters and keep that going until the "ruling classes" are appeased for a while with blood, death, miseries and treasures. Then it ritually repeats, over and over, down through the ages to this one. About the only difference in modern times is that it's called War "of necessity" so that the maximal number of people are sacrificed and plundered. To delude themselves that they aren't barbarians, I suppose the Media and their masters chalk it up to "Fate" and the fault of others -- like at least they're giving some people a gladiator-type fighting chance now to survive the slaughter if they can rather than killing them directly on demand.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-24 7:12:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: GreyLmist (#63)
Their is also the Internet to consider. At one time we were tied to our priests and religion held control....
Then religion was set aside for intellectual reason and our statesmen held control.
Then people got educated, we all learned to read and write (gud nuff) and the paper came to replace our perceptions... followed by Radio... then the talkies and the TV and for a time Major corporations held control.

Then one day the internet came along. And before anyone understood what happened WE were given the opportunity to have control.
The media is still the whore that it is but it can not stop nor control the net.
And it is through this medium that the revolution shall be won.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
titorite posted on 2012-11-24 7:52:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, *9-11*, *No Planers* (#59)
9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group. Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one.

lol
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-11-24 11:02:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: titorite, All (#64) (Edited)
Internet reports of unconventional weaponry used in the Afghanistan invasion. Am not endorsing them as true but here they are for consideration of this topic:
US, NATO using Depleted Uranium to destroy Afghan's Gene Pool - Press TV video at YouTube [warning - graphic]
0:42 -1:07 "People have...lost their lives...without any physical sign of injury. And then there were, of course...bizarre...you know, scenes where...birds on...on...on trees had melted...and...and that kind of posed the question as to what's going on." The U.S. flatly denies this.

poorrichard's blog DU destroying Afghans’ gene pool’
Dr. Mohammad Daud Miraki, the author of Afghanistan After Democracy: The Untold Story Through Photographic Images, told Press TV’s Kabul correspondent on Monday
I have seen people die without any physical signs of injuries on their bodies in Afghanistan. There were bizarre scenes of birds melting on trees.” The United States’ use of radioactive munitions in Afghanistan has destroyed the people’s health and mutilated the genetic future of the country, Press TV reports.

Perpetual Death From America
By Mohammed Daud Miraki, MA, MA, PhD 2-24-3 If they had killed us once, it would not be so bad. But what the Americans have brought upon us [My note: with DU/Depleted Uranium] is not only depriving us but our future generations of our basic god given human right, the right to live. They will be killing us for generations to come"
At the fighting front north of Kabul, where Taliban forces were pounded night and day, many dead Taliban soldiers had no visible injuries except blood flowing out of their mouths, internal bleeding consistent with uranium based and chemical weapons. Furthermore, many dead Taliban soldiers had severe discoloration of the skin, orange, without being burned, while others had their rifles melted in their hands. This aroused suspicion among Taliban and others that weapons used by the US-UK military were not conventional weapons. Many Taliban soldiers that survived the bombing in the north have died after returning to their native villages in the south and southeast of the country. They had no physical injury upon their death, however, died from internal bleeding and other bizarre symptoms including uncontrolled vomiting, diarrhea, and blood loss in urine and stool. Their families were shocked with disbelieves.
Another bizarre, yet tragic scene was reported near Rish-Khor military base in Kabul. Multiple witnesses reported seeing dead birds on tree branches with blood coming out of their mouths. As one witness put it: We were amazed to see all these birds sitting quietly on [tree] branches; but when we shook the tree the birds fell down and we saw blood coming out of their mouths. Then we climbed the trees to see those that were still stuck on tree branches, all of them had bled from their mouths. Two of the birds appeared to be partly melted into the trees branches."
These various claims by witnesses of the US-UK bombing amply establishes that Weapon of Mass Destruction have been used.
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GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-24 15:45:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz, *9-11* (#59) (Edited)
It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.
So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building. As far as any sort of nuke, that has been eliminated due to the facts I present further below, which I have also previously presented on other threads.
We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones.
Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them.
Apparently, you want us to believe that wouldn't be the case on 9/11 with a smaller nuke either of some sort
You were selling neutron bombs earlier, then once you figured out they emit WAY more radiation than coventional nuclear devices, and would have killed people in surrounding areas instantly with lethal radiation, you decided to move to the "micro-nuke" idea.
What part of sequential failure do you not understand? For one, a nuclear device would ONLY have blown out the immediate area of detonation, it would not have resulted in a top down collapse, floor by floor, of the structure.
A bright burst would have been visible, and there would have been an instant pulverization of surrounding structure, most likely in a spherical pattern.
or with Directed Energy weaponry either
Again, point out what sort of weapon would cause a sequential floor by floor collapse at near free fall speed. Where would it be fired from, and where would it get its energy?
Find ANY sort of DEW technology online that could cause a sequential failure to occur...
but somehow they would survive being flash-fried by a nano- thermite/thermate explosion -- because it was actually a very low to no-flash form of thermite/thermate that didn't produce much light or heat, just "pancake powder"??
Do you know what an EXPLOSIVE is? Have you ever seen conventional explosives used to bring down a structure? Conventional explosives produce tremendously high pressure, pulverizing anything in their blast radius. Larger bursts produce the sort of pulverization witnessed in the WTC collapse.

Advanced explosives composed of nano-thermite would most likely provide not only much higher pressures than conventional explosives, but also would be fine tunable in terms of detonation speed depending on their particle size.
Nano-thermite (Wiki)
The so-called pancaking powder flew up and outward as the buildings came down. That tells us that there wasn't the weight crashing down that would be required to pulverize the structures.
With the underlying floors having their support links destroyed by explosives sequentially, there would be little or no resistance to the collapsing mass of debris coming from above. As the air between the floors was instantly compressed to extremely high pressure by the sudden compression of space between the collapsing mass and the floor below, enhanced by the explosive high pressure coming from the explosives themselves, debris was ejected outwards at explosive speeds.
As the debris fell, a huge void of air was formed above the collapsing mass, causing air to rush in from all directions to fill that void. That air contained clouds of dust and drifted upwards once the air in the void had returned back to normal pressure.

9/11 was an Act of War against us, not some campfire-story fashion show that has to be reduced to conformity with a short-stack of thermitic flap- jacks, syrupy molten metal, and remote controlled butter-planes on the side to suit your group.
You're trying to dismiss known facts as if they didn't exist. Planes DID impact the towers, since there is not ONE person who has come forward stating that they had a clear view of the impact area and saw no plane, but did witness an explosion.
The entrance holes were there, and there WAS smoke rising from the damaged areas.
Remote controlled aircraft crashing into the towers is a much more likely sceneraio than relying on Captain Kirk and the starship Enterprise firing a controlled phaser blast from Earth orbit.
Just for kicks, you might want to explain how crashing and exploding planes wouldn't severely damage the sequencing of a preset controlled demolition or immediately trigger a C4Thermitic one.
For one, if the planes were flown remotely, it'd be known EXACTLY where they would impact.
It would not be difficult to avoid placing explosives in the area of planned impact.
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FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 15:50:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: GreyLmist (#61)
You've been called on to address the current issues, not her previous work.

Name what it is about that interview which you feel needs to be addresed. I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured.
Now tell me, what is it about that work that you disagree with.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 15:52:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Later on this.
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GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-24 15:55:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#62)
Your debate team, though, should have some plausible hypotheticals about it besides serendipity. Thanks for your statement that there were no explosives in those areas but how could anyone be confident that explosive impacts would be contained so as not to interfere with or trigger the areas that were prepared with explosives?

GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand? Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.
If anything, you're just the flip side of what the main stream media provides, where they tell ONE impossible story, and your "team" provides the OTHER impossible stories, with both sources mixing in a BIT of truth in order to make it all seem believable.
When all the actual facts and evidence are examined, and the ongoing coverup considered, it becomes clear that YOUR "team" is acting in concert with the MSM team to misdirect readers and obfuscate the entire body of 9/11 knowledge with impossible and implausible events, and lead people away from what REALLY happened on that day.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 16:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: FormerLurker (#68)
I had presented her earlier work to show how she has already proven that a sequential failure had occured.

I do not believe sequential failure occurred. For sequential failure to occur the buildings would have fallen at a much slower rate. What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-24 18:57:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: RickyJ (#71)
What people saw on 9/11 was sequential timed explosions all the way down the building.

That's what I meant by sequential failure. In other words, the underlying floors were demolished with explosives fractions of a second prior to the upper structure converging into them.
Since the upper structure still had to slow down for a fraction of a second as it impacted the floor below, the fall was not pure free fall speed. If the floors had been detonated a full second sooner or so, the collapse would have been MUCH closer to free fall speed, thus revealing that it WAS controlled demolition to even the most perceptially challenged.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 19:09:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: FormerLurker (#67) (Edited)
Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Anyone as lazy as you, so lazy they can not even do a google search for themselves is by no means an activist of any kind.... you're just an angry troll.

Back on ignore... My apologies for taking you off that list.
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titorite posted on 2012-11-24 20:18:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: titorite (#73)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way.
They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast.
Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 20:26:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: titorite (#73)
you're just an angry troll.

Upon further thought, that comment needs to be addressed.
Each and every time you are proven wrong, you lash out with lies and personal attacks.
You prove YOURSELF to be that angry troll you mention. Again, you project YOUR faults onto your victims.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-24 21:20:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: All (#5) (Edited)
rigorousintuition.ca • View topic - Where Did The Towers Go

Link Excerpts:

(Let's remember, the government is always at least 15-20 years ahead in technology from where they publicly admit.)
Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984
Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001
US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006

4um Title: Mini-Neutron Bombs A Major Piece of the 9-11 Puzzle

Various Energy Weaponry: Posts #180, #181 and #182

Possible 9/11 EMP effects:

World Trade Center Demolition

The interview of Dr. Michael Guttenberg, of NYFD’s Office of Medical Affairs, who may have witnessed EMP is here.
[sic] before any tower “collapse”, he noted:

“…on the EMS radio, there was absolute silence for probably 10 or 15 seconds, you know, which to me, it seemed like 10 to 15 seconds, but it was absolute radio silence for a few seconds…”

UNITED WAY - 9-11 funds go to left-wing causes unconnected with terror (you MUST read this!)

Another beneficiary of the September 11 Fund is Legal Services of New York, which received a grant of $40,000 "to replace phones, computers and other office equipment destroyed in the attack."
According to spokeswoman Edwina Martin [sic] the $40,000 grant was necessary because, "If we don't have our phones and computers, we can't do anything and people are left with nothing."
She noted that the offices were "fairly close" to the World Trade Center, and that "equipment wasn't functioning."

YouTube: Media Acknowledges Steel Turned to Dust on 9/11 (Full Clip) | ABC News

Uploaded by Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez on Nov 10, 2010

World Trade Center Demolition [Nukes at the WTC hypotheses]

Lt. Smiouskas believed that a nuclear bomb went off, due to the magnitude of Earth shaking that he felt. As a tower is being destroyed he recalls [sic] seeing “glitter” through the black smoke, during tower destruction.

"Everybody started running north, and this huge volume like ten stories high billowing, pushing black smoke and like a glitter. I guess it was glass that was glitter that was in the cloud of smoke.”

I do not believe this “glitter” was glass in the black smoke. Perhaps it is more likely that gamma rays from nuclear explosions which could readily traverse the black smoke, impinged on his retina. This is like the
a[s] tronauts in earth orbit seeing (retinal) flashes from cosmic rays when they tried to go to a higher earth orbit [sic]

YouTube: 911 FOX Live - the dustification of the World Trade Center North Tower -- glittering smoke at 0:40

Published on May 27, 2012 by CNN911Fakes
911 sparklers in the 911 smoke at the beginning (All that glitters is not gold!). Looks like Disney's fairy godmother is showing up in the 911 magic smoke. Those are not reflections.

4um Title: A Brief Summary: WTC Destruction & High Temperature Aftermath: ONLY Nuclear Bombs and the China Syndrome Fit All the Evidence - Post #67 [Molecular Dissociation]
SPACE WEAPONS IN USE: BOB FITRAKIS -- Warning. Graphic war casualties footage at 5:21-5:35.

'High tech space weapons are in use. The U.S. and Israeli military are lying about them. They're well established in the public record.' Video shows the Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) & mobile version (MTHEL). Lasers have been weaponized since 1971, at least. See Col. Doug Beason's glorification of ABL (airborn lasers), ADS (active denial systems), RME (relay mirrors) and SSL (solid state lasers) in his book The Electron Bomb: How America's New Directed Energy Weapons Will Change the Way Future Wars Will Be Fought (2005). Vid calls attention to the prize-winning documentary Panama Deception. The GHW Bush invasion of Panama in Dec 1989 was used as a testing ground for laser-maser- crazer weapons. Prof. Fitrakis spoke at the Madison 9/11 conference hosted by Prof. Jim Fetzer, Aug 5, 2007 filmed by Josh Harvey of Snowshoefilms (pt. 2 of 2). Scenes from Star Wars in Iraq and Panama Deception. Music thanks to Alistair Hulett, 'Shot Down in Flames'. (see Joe Friendly (youtube) for unedited version). See our video on youtube,'Can You Help Us Please?' for pictures of some of the advanced Israel-US weapons used on Lebanese civilians in July 2006.

Mentions [at 3:41-4:18] the vehicles destroyed in the area of the WTC as being similar to what is seen in the Academy Award-winning documentary, "Panama Deception". An eyewitness [at 4:18-4:57] mentions cars cut in half by lasers. Also mentions melted guns and other similarities to the Afghanistan reporting at Post #66.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 3:41:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: FormerLurker (#74)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibakusha

Those are people that were within 2 km of ground zero, or who were affected by the fallout in any way.
They were not AT ground zero, as they would need to be in some sort of alien ship to withstand a direct nuclear blast.
Get your facts straight and stop peddling BS.

The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

Panoramic view of the monument marking the hypocenter, or ground zero, of the atomic bomb explosion over Nagasaki.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 5:40:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#70) (Edited)
GreyLmist, what part of "they would have known where the planes would impact if THEY flew them via remote control to their targets" do you fail to understand?

Aside from the facts that remote control wouldn't make planes able to exceed their structural limits at such high speeds and low altitudes and that it wouldn't prevent them from being broken apart on the outside of the buildings when they hit, it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.
Edited to reword for clarity.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 6:00:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Me: It's already been discussed elsewhere in this 4um at length that the evidence indicates something involving electromagnetism -- perhaps even micro/mini nukes.

You: So now you think radio waves brought down the towers? Explain to me how a radio wave brought down a 110 story building.

Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

911 The no plane chronicles 5of7

According to one of Steven Earl Jones' audios "thermate can be painted on" (and then "touched off" by some radio-controlled mechanism . The Great Professor does not explain whether you use a brush, or a roller, for the paint job - and is a bit 'light' on details of any 'radio control" mechanism to trigger off this 'toshing'. The point is this: It has to work. It has to work exactly, no 'messing' It has to work accurately, otherwise the building will topple. We should all be very grateful that former Professor Jones does not actually work in the Controlled Demolitions industry - and merely confines himself to making absurd statements about it)

You were selling neutron bombs earlier,

No, I wasn't. Now you're confusing me with other posters.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 6:17:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: FormerLurker (#67)
Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it. Very sensationalistic, too, how WTC 1 started crumbling like on cue at the word "praying".
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 6:50:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#70)
Both you and YOUR team divert attention away from actual hard facts, and lead your readers and followers on trips down the rabbit hole. The more bizarre your claim, the harder you push it, while tearing down those who find holes in your theories.

I think you're confusing me with Jones again there -- and yourself. Please be more careful not to do that henceforth.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-27 8:23:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: GreyLmist (#76)
Introducing the Particle-Beam Weapon by Dr. Richard M. Roberds; published in Air University Review, July-August 1984
Particle beams do not have any destructive power of their own, other than frying the electronics of their targets by overloading them with charged particles.
So no, they would not have been able to bring down ANY structure, never mind a 110 story skyscraper. Besides, they'd need some sort of platform to fire this beam from. Where would it be?
Millimeter-wave energy to be used in a weapon by Peter Clarke; published in EE Times June 6, 2001
Millimeter-wave is just another word for extremely high frequency microwaves. High power microwaves heat their targets. Other uses are for radar, and for body scanners at airports.
They can not bring down structures.

US hails airborne laser as weapons milestone, ABC News, October 29, 2006
At short distances, an airborne laser can heat up a missile to the point it fails. It can not bring down a structure.
So no, you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers.
Try again.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:13:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#77)
The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

You can't even use Wiki very well can you...
From Ground zero - Wiki

The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).

So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels.
Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:18:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: GreyLmist (#78)
it also would not guarantee that they would explode, splatter fuel and burn inside the buildings without damaging preset demolitions or immediately igniting thermitics. I would think that's just common sense.

Explosives could be set in areas where the planes would have been KNOWN to NOT impact.
Specialized explosives exist which can only be triggered by detonators.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:21:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: GreyLmist (#79) (Edited)
Don't confuse me with Steven Jones. He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

You're attempting to debunk the ACTUAL EVIDENCE of nano-thermite found in the WTC debris, and spewing every ridiculous tale you can dream up of phaser beams which don't exist, nuclear explosions, massive conspiracies involving every television network and their employees, the airports, the FAA, victim's families, they ALL had to be in on it for your no-plane theories to be even remotely possible.
It's quite obvious what you and your "team" are up to, and it has nothing to do with clarifying what happened the morning of 9/11; instead, you are on a mission to dirty the waters as much as possible, mixing every looney piece of misinformation you can conjure up with a small set of actual true facts, most likely to discredit those actual facts with your ridiculously impossible assertions.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:27:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: GreyLmist (#80)
Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it

So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:28:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: GreyLmist (#79)
He thinks radio waves triggered thermitics to bring down 110 story buildings:

You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams".
In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance).
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-27 14:32:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: FormerLurker (#83) (Edited)
Me: The bombs were detonated in the air. Ground zero is the blast radius -- not an impact point on the ground. See pic caption at the Wikipedia site:

FL: You can't even use Wiki very well can you...
From Ground zero - Wiki

The term ground zero (sometimes also known as surface zero[1] as distinguished from zero point[2]) describes the point on the Earth's surface closest to a detonation.[3] In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below the detonation (see hypocenter).

So go stand under a nuclear detonation and tell us how it feels.
Ground zero is the area on the ground under or at the point of detonation. If you think ANY living creature can survive the temperature of the sun, along with incredible amounts of gamma radiation as well as the blast itself, you just go ahead and keep on believing that.

Maybe you better define what you think are the measurements for the term Ground Zero. Is it the same size as the bomb above it before it explodes? Is it the size of the bomb's pattern of explosion, regardless of any casualties and damages beyond it? Is it just precisely the very middle/hypocenter of the blast? -- a pinpoint? What are the dimensions of a hypocenter? Shima Hospital in Hiroshima? [Ref. your Wikipedia link and the red marked map of Ground Zero there, which looks like a much bigger area than a hospital.] When the WTC is spoken of as Ground Zero, the dimensions are 16 acres. [Ref. your Wikipedia link]
In the first place, as your own Wiki reference says:

The origins of the term ground zero began with the Manhattan Project and the bombing of Japan. The Strategic Bombing Survey of the atomic attacks, released in June 1946, used the term liberally, defining it as: "For convenience, the term 'ground zero' will be used to designate the point on the ground directly beneath the point of detonation, or 'air zero.'"[4] William Laurence, an embedded reporter with the Manhattan Project, reported that "Zero" was "the code name given to the spot chosen for the atomic bomb test" in 1945.[5]
The Oxford English Dictionary, citing the use of the term in a 1946 New York Times report on the destroyed city of Hiroshima, defines ground zero as "that part of the ground situated immediately under an exploding bomb, especially an atomic one."
The term was military slang, used at the Trinity site where the weapon tower for the first nuclear weapon was at "point zero", and moved into general use very shortly after the end of World War II. At Hiroshima, the hypocenter of the attack was Shima Hospital.

The points on the ground directly beneath the bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are: the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- closest to the detonations as compared to their surrounding areas within the larger blast and fallout ranges. Ground Zero defined as an Air Zero coordinate point is ridiculous, imo. The bomb-target wasn't just Shima Hospital in Hiroshima. They could have used a regular bomb for that if it was, without all the "Ground Zero" hype. The bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and there were many survivors there -- more than expected. Depending on the source, 1 (certified) to 165 also survived the bombing of Nagasaki. [165 - Reference the link titorite posted: Hibakusha - Wikipedia; 1 - Reference thesurvivorsclub.org: Meet the Only Survivor of Both Atomic Bombs Dropped on Japan - Tsutomu Yamaguchi]
Secondly, the causal reason we're talking about WWII Japan here is because (at #67) you twisted my general comment (at #59) from "atomic blast zones" to "Ground Zero" but, at that time, you seemed to equate the term with the blast zones generally, too, rather than splitting hairs over the hypocenter line upward to the bomb, as you've done since then.

Me at Post #59: "We know that there were surivors in Japan within the atomic blast zones."
You at Post #67: "Oh really? Go find ANY reference on the Internet which exists that states there were survivors at Ground Zero in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The temperature turns as hot as that of the Sun, so go find me some people who survived several millions degrees of heat, besides being dosed with levels of radiation which would instantly kill them."

The Hibakusha link states that 210,830 were still alive in March of this year. If you disagree, you could ask the Japanese government about that, I suppose. But if you really think that temperatures "as hot as that of the sun" were confined by Ground Zero definition in Hiroshima to the hypocenter of Shima Hospital, you shouldn't be too disagreeable, imo. I don't know at what point you actually think "ANY living creature" would have to be on this planet to survive such a temperature emanating from Japan -- the poles, maybe -- but, of course, when investigating the possibility (however remote) of nukes at the WTC on 9/11, we are not doing so on the same scale as the bombings of Japan.
Edited to expand quote from Post #67 and for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 8:24:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: GreyLmist (#88)
Not many people are going to read this here on 4um. Not sure if you are being paid to post this or you really believe it, but the government sucks at innovation and technology. If they didn't steal ideas and inventions from others then they would have nothing. I don't believe they are ahead in technology for a second because they are just slightly above the retard level. All they have is force through hired goons, intelligent people know this and do not let the world know of their inventions until they are ready to make them public on a world wide scale. The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-11-28 10:06:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: RickyJ, GreyLmist (#89)
The government if anything is behind the technology curve in the private world, not ahead of it.

So?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-11-28 10:17:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: FormerLurker (#82)
you haven't found any directed energy weapon capable of bringing down ANY building never mind the WTC towers.
Try again.

You at Post #27:

By "directed energy", do you mean laser, charged particle beam, neutral beam? What exactly IS this weapon you think brought down the towers?

I don't know exactly or I could have saved myself a lot of work and typing at Post #76 as a mini-perspective on Directed Energy and related issues. As I said at 4um Post #67 in that list, "I still think Christopher Bollyn's research dating back to February 2002 is highly probable." The Soviet technology in question that he mentioned (among other weaponry) can be found at 4um Posts #180 and #181 in that list.
I'm certain, though, that thermitics didn't powderize the Towers and toast the vehicles on 9/11. The reason I posted the listed info isn't so you could declare our government as a non-suspect in those matters, which you basically have; although I don't necessarily disagree, since I suspect such weaponry involved wouldn't have been from our arsenal anyway. The reason I posted the info was as a reference convenience. The reason I posted it from #5, rather than as a direct response to your 1st question at #27, was because the rigorousintuition link was at #5, which I wanted to post some historical examples from first.
Since you don't know either what might be in the arsenals of the enemies who attacked us on 9/11 with their prescripted Acts of War, I don't know what you think you are doing by trying to trivialize and shut-down any investigation along these lines besides aiding and abetting Jones who has misled people like you with his mythical "chains of evidence". He didn't craft that incongruity to catch any perps, domestic or foreign, and undoubtedly doesn't want to risk it being thrown out of a court as the inadmissable junk that it is because that would put the kibosh some on his limelight and financial prospects thereafter.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 10:45:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: RickyJ (#89)
Not sure if you are being paid to post this

You can be sure that I am not being paid to post this or anything else.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 10:52:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: GreyLmist (#88)
So you are now on record stating that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it.
Your entire reason for this is because you are trying to say that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers, with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation, and that they would survive several millions of degrees of heat. Of course this heat would not have turned cement dust to glass in your universe, nor would the blast have totally destroyed the structure instantly.
Do you think we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 10:52:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: GreyLmist, *9-11* (#91) (Edited)
You dismiss the bona-fide evidence and promote bizarro tales with ZERO basis in fact.
You demonstrate your lack of education in terms of what is possible and what isn't, as well as your inability to reason logically.
There IS no "atom disintegrator beam" or whatever it is you are peddling. If any such weapon existed here on Earth, we would have already experienced WWIII.
There IS however VERY strong evidence that nano-thermite explosives exist which are more powerful than standard explosives, and nano-thermite HAS BEEN FOUND in the WTC debris.
THAT explains why you are doing EVERYTHING you can to dismiss such evidence and cloud the waters with pure BS, since apparently you are in league with those whose interests are served by burying any sort of evidence which points to who actually perpetrated the 9/11 attacks.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 10:58:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: FormerLurker (#86)
Me: Everyone who watches that video should be amazed at all the debris flying at WTC 1 from WTC 2 as it fell and it was practically like water off a duck's back -- no significant damage from it
FL: So what are you peddling now? Are you trying to say that the towers never collapsed, that they're still standing?

Don't be obtuse. It has nothing to do with me peddling anything. It is simply an obvious fact that WTC 1 was not significantly damaged from the barrage of debris during the downing of WTC 2, as we're told other buildings farther away were. Serendipity doesn't explain it, imo. If you can't, then wake up.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 11:16:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: GreyLmist (#91) (Edited)
I'm certain, though, that thermitics didn't powderize the Towers and toast the vehicles on 9/11.

Uh huh. Someone who thinks you could sit on a nuclear bomb and have it detonate under your fat bottom, and be able to walk away with a few minor aches and pains, is CERTAIN that nano-thermite explosives couldn't destroy floors in a structure.
ANY explosive used in a top down demolotion would have caused the cement to powderize from the high heat and air pressure created by compressing the air between the collapsing floors, combined with the explosive force of the explosives themselves, PLUS the actual impact force of the collapsing upper mass impacting the lower mass.
Nano-thermite would have most likely raised the overall temperature considerably, creating pockets of high intensity heat within the debris clouds, thus leading to scorching of things in the way, such as cars.
It is NOT science fiction, unlike the crapola you are peddling here.
For the third time on this thread, I'll post a video of various controlled demolotions. If you pay attention you'll note how the collapse creates DUST CLOUDS.

The reason I posted the listed info isn't so you could declare our government as a non-suspect in those matters, which you basically have;
Liar. Nano-thermite explosives would ONLY be available to our government, or others who have stolen the design, ie. countries such as Israel. I've posted for almost a decade that 9/11 was an inside job, providing compelling evidence of such.
And here you are, the 4um shill, trying to paint yourself as the true "9/11 warrior" fighting for truth against all odds, where you do nothing but discredit the hard work various researchers have performed over the past 10 years and spew forth ridiculous nonsense that can be so easily scientifically, logically, and factually dismissed, only a total and complete fool would try to peddle such laughable stories.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 11:21:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: GreyLmist (#95)
It is simply an obvious fact that WTC 1 was not significantly damaged from the barrage of debris during the downing of WTC 2, as we're told other buildings farther away were.

You are stating a non-fact. You were NOT there to witness the damage, and there were no close ups of the exterior walls of the uncollapsed tower after the collapse of WTC 2.
Secondly, those other buildings were damaged because debris hit the TOP of those buildings and were traveling at greater speeds since they were LOWER than the tower which collapsed.
Huge chunks of debris didn't hit the other tower, whereas large solid chunks of debris obviously DID hit the lower buildings. In fact, aren't you telling everyone that the entire building turned to dust? If it was nothing but dust, then how was dust supposed to damage the other tower?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 11:26:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: GreyLmist (#95)
Besides what I just posted in terms of your claims that WTC 1 was undamaged by the collapse of WTC 2, exactly what ARE you trying to say? Are you stating that the buildings did NOT collapse? Or are you saying that the videos of the collapse were produced in a super secret Hollywood studio, and that they actually simply disintegrated like on Star Trek?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 11:31:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: FormerLurker, *9-11* (#87)
You claimed that it is possible to destroy a 110 story skyscaper using "electromagnetism", while hopping all over "direct energy beams".
In case you didn't know, a "beam" of electromagnetism is a high frequency radio wave known as a microwave beam (radar for instance).

I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism. Questioning Directed Energy isn't hopping all over anything. I don't think you have all the correct answers so I'm surely not going to stop questioning because you think that you do and act as if it shouldn't be discussed or not before a specific type is silently sensed.
Electromagnetism

Pic caption: The phenomena associated with lightning (left) and magnets (right) are both caused by electromagnetism, one of the four fundamental forces of nature.
Different frequencies of oscillation give rise to the different forms of electromagnetic radiation, from radio waves at the lowest frequencies, to visible light at intermediate frequencies, to gamma rays at the highest frequencies.

Is there anything you don't want to argue about?
Maybe you've heard of a puzzle on the grounds of CIA HQ at Langley: Kryptos. I tried to decipher the unsolved section years ago and, in the process, I saw a 9/11 pattern in the frequencies of the letters, even though it was there since 11-3-1990. I suspect the reason that last section is harder to solve than the previous 3 is because there could be a skip-sequence between some phrases that switches to a different decoding method. The reason I'm mentioning it is because the 2nd section was reported as solved before that sculpture happened onto my radar screen, so to speak, and it reads:

IT WAS TOTALLY INVISIBLE HOWS THAT POSSIBLE ? THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED UNDERGRUUND TO AN UNKNOWN LOCATION X DOES LANGLEY KNOW ABOUT THIS ? THEY SHOULD ITS BURIED OUT THERE SOMEWHERE X WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ? ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE X THIRTY EIGHT DEGREES FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES SIX POINT FIVE SECONDS NORTH SEVENTY SEVEN DEGREES EIGHT MINUTES FORTY FOUR SECONDS WEST X LAYER TWO

Speaking of underground locations, I was watching part of a documentary recently about New York from a series called, "Underground Cities", iirc. The railroad there was secret and cars were secretly transported on elevators -- one was FDR's. I thought it was quite interesting and wouldn't rule out that something destructive might have been directed from underground on 9/11.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 12:29:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: GreyLmist (#99) (Edited)
I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Other than heating effects as seen in microwave ovens, or as in some "non- lethal" battlefield microwave devices, WTF do you think is so magical about radio waves that it can disintegrate a 110 story building?
Huh?
To you, actual evidence found in the debris, as in NANO-THERMITE, is incapable of heating anything up, whereas ficticious weapons such as phaser beams from an orbitting space ship make perfect sense.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 13:00:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: FormerLurker (#93) (Edited)
So you are now on record stating that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it.
Your entire reason for this is because you are trying to say that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers, with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation, and that they would survive several millions of degrees of heat. Of course this heat would not have turned cement dust to glass in your universe, nor would the blast have totally destroyed the structure instantly.
Do you think we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well?

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I don't know why that line copied from your post but I have not said that it is possible to stand directly under a nuclear detonation and live to talk about it. Everyone at the Shima Hospital hypocenter in Hiroshima reportedly died from the explosion. Everyone in the Hiroshima blast zone did not.
Nor have I said that a nuclear bomb could have been detonated in both WTC towers with nobody being affected by lethal gamma radiation. In fact, I posted commentary at Post #76 from a Lt. who may have been exposed to gamma rays.
You are the only one who insists on talking about standing directly under a nuclear bomb. I was talking about such blast zones more generally. Where in the WWII Japan cities targeted do you think the "several millions of degrees of heat" stopped and cooled down enough for there to be any survivors? Since there were survivors, even near the blast center, maybe you should ask yourself if we'll be sending a manned ship to land on the sun sometime soon as well -- not me. How big do you think those cities were?
I don't think it takes "several millions of degrees of heat" to turn cement dust to glass. Do you just make anything up that you want to pin on me and think it's going to fly or what? Again, we aren't talking about the same scale of bombs as over Japan. Even so, you don't really know that there weren't people killed from much smaller nukes at the WTC. You just presume they were killed from jet fuel/office fires and a thermitic "blast furnace" -- and "pancaking".
Edited for grammar, next to last sentence of paragraph 3 and last sentence of the last paragraph, after the hyphenation there.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 13:30:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: FormerLurker (#100)
Me: I said that the evidence -- burned cars, unburned paper -- indicates something involving electromagnetism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Other than heating effects as seen in microwave ovens, or as in some "non- lethal" battlefield microwave devices, WTF do you think is so magical about radio waves that it can disintegrate a 110 story building?
Huh?
To you, actual evidence found in the debris, as in NANO-THERMITE, is incapable of heating anything up, whereas ficticious weapons such as phaser beams from an orbitting space ship make perfect sense.

Are you trying to convince me that you're just a heckling noisemaker? You don't have to try so much.
Did you even read the excerpts from the Electromagnetism Wikipedia link? I don't thinks so. See if you can grasp this paraphrasing this time: Radio waves are low frequency electromagnetism. Gamma rays are high frequency electromagnetism. That does not mean that gamma rays are radio waves, nor are radio waves synonymous with the intermediate frequency range.
Who says there was actual evidence of nano-thermite in the debris? Jones doesn't count as reliable source. What he claims as evidence of that is what's bizarre and appears fictitious. Does he pay you to be his assistant? Are you aware that America isn't the only country that has nano-thermite?
Try slowing down and counting to 10 or 110 before you hit send again so that you can give your automatic writings a bit more thought. This stormy transmission fell flatter than a WTC pancake on my grading scale.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:16:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: GreyLmist (#102)
Try to find ANY radio wave capable of causing molecular disintegration on a scale required to bring down a 110 story building. In fact, find me ANY electromagnetic wave or beam weapon capable of bringing down ANY building.
And I'm not talking about what you see in science fiction movies.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:22:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: GreyLmist (#102)
Who says there was actual evidence of nano-thermite in the debris?

Apparently you've been so busy looking into phaser rays you overlooked the actual bonafide evidence pertaining to 9/11.
There's Dr. Niels Harrit of Copenhagen University, for one...
Niels Holger Harrit, PhD
Here's a vid you may want to watch.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:27:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: FormerLurker (#103)
Do you think everything about Directed Energy, Electromagnetism, and Molecular Dissociation is radio waves? It don't think that's so.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:33:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: FormerLurker (#104)
I'll try to watch that later. He's like a Jones parrot, imo, so his credibility with me on the thermitic subject is likewise in the range of absolute zero.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:39:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: GreyLmist (#101)
For one, you are trying to sell the notion that nuclear explosives were used to bring down the towers. That IS what you're saying isn't it?
You ignore the VERY real fact that nuclear explosions produce LETHAL radiation. Such radiation would have killed any humans within the immediate area instantly.
You ALSO ignore the fact that nuclear explosions produce temperatures comparable to that of the sun. We are not talking about an air burst thousands of feet over the target, we (more like YOU) are talking about a device INSIDE the WTC towers.
Thus, temperatures within the WTC WOULD HAVE BEEN in the millions of degrees. Yet you overlook such critical facts.
You ALSO overlook the fact that a nuclear detonation would have created a spherical burst, and would have been VERY noticable had it of happened.
So YOU ma'am overlook ALL critical facts, stomp your feet that it HAS to be as you say, and accuse those who are better educated than you of either being stupid or planting "disinfo".
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:39:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: FormerLurker (#85) (Edited)
nuclear explosions, massive conspiracies involving every television network and their employees, the airports, the FAA, victim's families, they ALL had to be in on it for your no-plane theories to be even remotely possible.

I have never said "ALL" knowingly. Now let's talk about the airports and the FAA. Are you claiming they wouldn't have been in on your remote control theory?
Edited 1st and 2nd sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:46:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: GreyLmist (#105) (Edited)
Do you think everything about Directed Energy, Electromagnetism, and Molecular Dissociation is radio waves? It don't think that's so.

Coherent light (LASER), and directed RADIO WAVES, whether or not they be high frequency (as in microwaves or millimeter waves) can ONLY heat their targets.
Charged particle beams will destroy electronics by damaging silicon and/or gallium arsenide semiconductor junctions.
EMP devices can overload conductive materials with induced currents, thus disabling electrical devices ranging from motors, transformers, and electronic devices.
You will NOT find any other sort of "electromagnetic" weapon, since electromagnetic devices can only heat their targets or disable electrical devices.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:47:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: GreyLmist (#108)
let's talk about the airports and the FAA. Are you claiming they wouldn't have been in on your remote control theory?

Of course not. The airports needn't have had anything at all to do with the swapping of planes in flight, and the FAA would not have been aware of it if the planes were swapped with the transponders turned off.
Primary radar only "sees" location, not altitude, thus a swap would have been possible with another plane climbing into the flight path of the original plane, flying side by side momentarily, then having the original plane descend.
Not only that, but the "war games" that morning inserted MANY false blips on FAA radar, guaranteeing that the controllers would be confused as to what they were seeing.
Adding to that is the issue of at least one of the "hijacked" aircraft having been flown through a blind spot in primary radar coverage.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:51:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: FormerLurker (#107)
I'm out of time for dealing with your flack at the moment. When I get back, you should have something posted in response to my question about your remote control theory, the airports and the FAA being in on it. Also, plan to discuss your varied building-collapse scenarios.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:52:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: GreyLmist (#106)
I'll try to watch that later. He's like a Jones parrot

He's the one who found the evidence of nano-thermite. Check your facts.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:52:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: GreyLmist (#111)
the airports and the FAA being in on it

You're the one peddling that idea. For YOUR story to be true, where no actual planes took off that day, not only the airports but the victims and their families ALSO would have had to of been in on it.
Or are you also saying those victims never really existed either?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 14:54:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: FormerLurker (#110)
Of course not. The airports needn't have had anything at all to do with the swapping of planes in flight, and the FAA would not have been aware of it if the planes were swapped with the transponders turned off.

Try to stay focused. I said your remote control theory, not plane swap theory. Sheesh. L8r.
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GreyLmist posted on 2012-11-28 14:55:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: GreyLmist (#114)
Try to stay focused. I said your remote control theory, not plane swap theory.

They are not two separate "theories" genius. Try to think before you type.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-11-28 15:15:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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