Title: 911 and Thermite, The official Conspiracy Theory? Source:
YouTube URL Source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=505uzsWbC30 Published:May 9, 2011 Author:108morris108 Post Date:2012-11-23 15:54:13 by GreyLmist Keywords:9/11, Andrew Johnson, Steven Jones, Thermites Theory Views:871 Comments:67
From the Description Section:
Thermite does not turn steel to dust. Thermite does create a lot of flames. Each tower weighed 500,000 tons, no-one has seen anything like the quantity of flames that thermite would have created. Many more anomalies too. Burned out vehicles alongside unburnt paper (a lot of it) left intact. [sic]
Thermite is simply Aluminium and Iron Oxide, two substances which were in great quantity in the Towers.
Poster Comment:
Jones' Thermite Theory evidently not published as peer reviewed.
I know, but "Sugar Britches" sounded a little too forward.
I always kinda liked "Chicky-Poo" but PC has forced me to tone it down to "Missy."
Wouldn't want to end up like Andrew Dice Clay.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
I always kinda liked "Chicky-Poo" but PC has forced me to tone it down to "Missy."
Wouldn't want to end up like Andrew Dice Clay.
I still call chics "chics". Not every women takes offense to the term.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Yeah, never know when you're gonna need a good supply of effin' "A"s.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
Sorry about sidetracking your thread, Grey. To get back on topic, this sounded like another misdirection play. None of them seem to know what caused their collapse, but they definately know what didn't.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
I still call chics "chics". Not every women takes offense to the term.
I don't. I don't care if you leave the toilet seat up either.
Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
I don't care if you leave the toilet seat up either.
I'm a sweetee. I wipe the seatee.
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
Does anyone honestly believe that the global elites whose wealth and power depend on manipulation of the global chess board would leave something like the Presidency up to chance?
It's true that thermite, even the minute amounts that cling to processed steel, has explosive and combustible features. The remarkable thing is that these features were not known until after Sept 11th. In fact it was examination of the building debris that made that discovery possible.
As no one was watching out for thermite when the WTC was being built, it is possible that there was enough thermite embedded in the structure to intensify or accelerate the building's collapse. But this would have been a surprise to everyone. This may explain why some architects and others insist - by relying on pre-2001 data - that there was something impossible about the way the building fell.
I used to make thermite when I was a kid and anyone who thinks it was used in the WTC doesn't know anything about thermite.
Oh, so you are more knowledgeable than a Professor of Physics and a Physical chemist based upon the experimentation you made as a youthful Darwin Award Candidate?
"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
It's true that thermite, even the minute amounts that cling to processed steel, has explosive and combustible features. The remarkable thing is that these features were not known until after Sept 11th. In fact it was examination of the building debris that made that discovery possible.
Thing is Shoonra, the thermite found wasn't ordinary thermite, it was determined to be nanothermite, which is only available from military weapons sources, or for SOME commericial applications such as explosives.
As far as thermite being present on processed steel, can you find me any sort of reference which makes that assertion?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
A Nano-thermite or "super-thermite"[1] is a metastable intermolecular composite (MICs) characterized by a particle size of its main constituents, a metal and a metal oxide, under 100 Nanometers. This allows for high and customizable reaction rates. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as for general applications involving propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.
You're hopping up and down saying that it HAD to be a "directed energy beam" that caused the collapses, while ignoring the fact that the DOD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in EXPLOSIVES.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Weapons grade, availlable only to the military and military connected. Much like the weapon grade anthrax unleashed after 9/11.
I never really looked into nano-thermite in any depth until today. To find out it has been researched for use as an explosive by the military sheds new light on the overall picture.
So THAT is most likely why they found nano-thermite in the debris, IT was most probably the explosive used in the demolition of the towers.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
They had to silence Steven Jones the best they could since he found hard evidence that it was indeed an inside job. He loses his job at BYU, while this nut Judy is still working and trying to sell a book now. They don't fear Judy, she is on their side anyway.
They had to silence Steven Jones the best they could since he found hard evidence that it was indeed an inside job
That is pretty strong evidence that those who attack Jones are the same people who are actively involved in the coverup, knowingly or not.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
No problemo. It's not a no-fun zone and I was busy elsewhere anyway. Btw, I'd like to buy a vowel, please -- in Gentile English. They're out of my price range in the Hebrew language, scarce as they are there. lol Just jesting. :)
To get back on topic, this sounded like another misdirection play. None of them seem to know what caused their collapse, but they definately know what didn't.
I think the best way to get back on topic is with a short review first of Jones' thermitic-ploy to impede and derail the 9/11 Truth Movement -- similar to his Cold Fusion intrigues mentioned in the opening video:
1. Jones appeared as a hijacker of the Truth Movement in 2005 and proceeded to marginalize a number of pioneering researchers, then "synthesize" as his own platform the years of groundwork that had been established and compiled by them and many others prior to his Celebrity-guru casting.
2. Jones wrote a paper in 2006 about molten metal that he had declared as such from photos.
3. Sometime after Jones wrote his paper in 2006, he says a woman contacted him and said she had scooped some dirt off of steel at a 9/11 Memorial site so that it didn't get rained on and saved it in a bucket -- might have been years after 9/11 when she did that (if she even actually did so); might not have been soil from the WTC at all and it might have been in the bucket for years before she sent it to him, getting degraded and compromised by contaminates. She could have scooped up some dust and debris from a welding-area floor and stirred that into the bucket too, for all anyone knows.
4. The dubious chain of evidence on the samples that "Los Alamos" Jones claims were sent to him from others are similarly outrageous and unreliable; and therefore likely to be dismissed as inadmissible in a court of law, unless the judge happens to be utterly corrupt.
[Reference Post #1 and Post #3 at 2010 4um Title: "Evidence Refutes the Official 9-11 Investigation: The Scientific Forensic Facts"]
5. Evidently, Jones has been making a mockery of the 9/11 investigation and using his fans to help him detour it while the perps make their getaway.
6. Research his Cold Fusion manueverings and listen to Jones tell you himself in the video below what I've noted above (2nd and 3rd): 9/11: The Molten Metal "Evidence"
Professor Steven Jones reveals the source of his "molten metal" evidence that he claims is proof that thermite was used to bring down the WTC. The entire video can be found at question911.com [links in the Description Section]
I remember scoffing @ "the anonymous lady with the bucket of wtc scrap" years ago when i saw Jones speak at alex jones 2006 conference. Scientifically thats a deal breaker & not credible at all re: the chain of evidence.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you".Sirach 4:28
BTW, did you even know that nanothermite is used in EXPLOSIVES?
From Nano-thermite - Wiki
A Nano-thermite or "super-thermite"[1] is a metastable intermolecular composite (MICs) characterized by a particle size of its main constituents, a metal and a metal oxide, under 100 Nanometers. This allows for high and customizable reaction rates. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as for general applications involving propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics.
You're hopping up and down saying that it HAD to be a "directed energy beam" that caused the collapses, while ignoring the fact that the DOD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in EXPLOSIVES.
I haven't been hopping up and down and you are misreading the situation. I'm of the opinion that Directed Energy Weaponry of some sort was probably used in demolishing the Towers and also caused the vehicle damages -- not necessarily from America's arsenal; perhaps from a foreign arsenal or that of some hostile force(s) warring against us, not likely Muslim/Arab nationalists or "Al Qaeda" but most probably are Zio-fanatic and Communistic, Globalist-idealogues, as the evidence widely indicates. Although it's very obvious that conventional controlled demolition cannot account for the WTC devastations on 9/11, I have said that they probably were used as backup and cover for unconventional demolition methods. Also, I haven't ruled out nukes of some sort yet; do suspect it was some combination of conventional and unconventional means -- otherwise, as I see it, the only other alternative is Media-staged Fakery. Your group staying stuck on thermitics that surely don't account for dustification and toasted cars is unrealistic, imo.
So what if the DoD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in explosives? It's their job to look into explosive things but that doesn't mean thermite is highly explosive or a superhigh-explosive in nano form because it isn't. My guess is that they've been looking into it as an incendiary for underwater explosives because it can still burn there.
just to be safe, perhaps – 9/11 nanothermite advocates also maintain the fall-back position that, even if nanothermite by itself is not a high explosive, when combined with an organic substance (also asserted to not be itself a high explosive), a high-explosive is created. To that T. Mark Hightower responds: “There is only one sure way to make nanothermite a high explosive. If you combine enough high explosives with nanothermite, you can get a mixture that is a high explosive. But the same can be said for my breakfast cereal.”
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I remember scoffing @ "the anonymous lady with the bucket of wtc scrap" years ago when i saw Jones speak at alex jones 2006 conference. Scientifically thats a deal breaker & not credible at all re: the chain of evidence.
Thanks for that input, Artisan. Hopefully, it will help others to start seeing through his schtick.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Shortly after he learned that Dr. Wood lost her job and became unemployed, Jones announced he had been “forced out” of his job and diverted attention onto his claims of persecution, playing the victim card again. It became known that Jones had moved to a new residence, then a few months later retired and was promoted to Professor Emeritus, the highest level of achievement for a professor. Someone fired from his job is not promoted. Jones did not go without an income. So, if Jones was not fired but promoted, why has he played the martyr? The timing and focus strongly suggest it was a useful diversion. But no matter the motive, the conclusion is that Jones is dishonest.
And the same can be said of Jones’ thermite myth. Thermite is also a diversion, stalling and playing out the clock for the perps. Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
_______________________________________________________________________________ The US government has declared civil war on itself. Its lust for war grew so great... Liberty before death. We run , we live, We fight again, till we win. We did not start this fight. We damn sure did not willingly pay our taxes to buy the bullets and drones that shall be used to kill us. We will correct the violations of this rogue nation....our rogue nation. We will fix this because nobody else can. You will work to help me help us all to fix this failure. After you're done educating yourself,Take Action!!!
So what if the DoD has been looking into nano-thermite since the 90's for use in explosives?
Again, name me even ONE hypothetical directed energy weapon capable of bringing down the WTC towers. Don't tell me you can't tell me since it's classified, since you dismiss nano-thermite explosives just because the actual design info for such explosives isn't public knowledge.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air.
Keep posting half-truths. It's already clear that the military AND national laboratories have been developing nano-thermite explosives for quite some time prior to 9/11.
AND, nano-thermite WAS found in the WTC debris. How'd it get there, elves perhaps?
As far as turning a building to "powder", ANY controlled demolition would have done that if a top down series of explosions were coordinated with the actual collapse.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air.
Keep posting half-truths. It's already clear that the military AND national laboratories have been developing nano-thermite explosives for quite some time prior to 9/11.
AND, nano-thermite WAS found in the WTC debris. How'd it get there, elves perhaps?
As far as turning a building to "powder", ANY controlled demolition would have done that if a top down series of explosions were coordinated with the actual collapse.
There's a photo of Ground Zero workers sitting in front of a beam that had been cut off with a cutting charge, probably in a clay or porcelain mold. The perfect slag melt with no splatters is proof that the vertical beam wasn't cut (after the collapse) with a wrecker's torch or lance.
No, nano thermite is all the proof needed to swing the guilty from the gallows.
We shouldn't confuse it with fairie dust after the fact.
Shortly after he learned that Dr. Wood lost her job and became unemployed, Jones announced he had been “forced out” of his job and diverted attention onto his claims of persecution, playing the victim card again. It became known that Jones had moved to a new residence, then a few months later retired and was promoted to Professor Emeritus, the highest level of achievement for a professor. Someone fired from his job is not promoted. Jones did not go without an income. So, if Jones was not fired but promoted, why has he played the martyr? The timing and focus strongly suggest it was a useful diversion. But no matter the motive, the conclusion is that Jones is dishonest.
And the same can be said of Jones’ thermite myth. Thermite is also a diversion, stalling and playing out the clock for the perps. Thermite is used in welding. It does not turn a building to powder in mid air.
There's a great video where a guy fills a flower pot with thermite, sets it on a car engine and lights it. 10 or 15 seconds later the pot emerges from the bottom of the engine that it burned through.
I've used thermite once, to weld a ground wire in an airport computer room to bond all of the elevated flooring metal to Earth. (elevated computer rooms allow for easy rewiring of equipment-and whoever spec'ed that thermite welded ground was naive, mechanical ground lugs are much better)
It's not used too often for welding in any other construction field I'm aware of.
No, nano thermite is all the proof needed to swing the guilty from the gallows.
That's why there are those here who are actively dismissing the actual evidence, and are trying to confuse people with regular thermite rather than mentioning nano-thermite.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
There's a photo of Ground Zero workers sitting in front of a beam that had been cut off with a cutting charge...
I remember that. IIRC, it was cut about a 45 degree angle, no?
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
...whoever spec'ed that thermite welded ground was naive...
Sounds like it.
[Thermite]'s not used too often for welding in any other construction field I'm aware of.
I think the only welding use of thermite I've ever heard of is field welding railroad rails. Could be wrong about that.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner. My Man Godfrey (1936)
There's a great video where a guy fills a flower pot with thermite, sets it on a car engine and lights it. 10 or 15 seconds later the pot emerges from the bottom of the engine that it burned through.
Why didn't the flower pot turn to dust?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Me: So what if the DoD has been looking into nano- thermite since the 90's for use in explosives?
You: Again, name me even ONE hypothetical directed energy weapon capable of bringing down the WTC towers. Don't tell me you can't tell me since it's classified, since you dismiss nano-thermite explosives just because the actual design info for such explosives isn't public knowledge.
No, you dismiss Directed Energy Weapons, even though some are public knowledge. I haven't dismissed nano-thermite because of some secret design. It doesn't account for the observed evidence. Since you've wildly claimed at Post #36 that ANY controlled demolition would have turned a building to powder if a top down series of explosions were coordinated with the actual collapse, thermite in whatever form wasn't even needed (except by Jones to detour investigations and have his comedic chain of "evidence" laughed out of a court at some point like a bad joke on his congregation). It wasn't even effective as a dramatic 9/11 light-show.
In the Directed Energy discussion, you want to talk about thermite. In a thermite topic, you want to talk about Directed Energy weapons. This is the Directed Energy discussion where I've posted some material for consideration there:
4um Title: 911 What Happened - Not How It Happened - Dr Judy Wood - Post #76
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No, nano thermite is all the proof needed to swing the guilty from the gallows.
That's why there are those here who are actively dismissing the actual evidence, and are trying to confuse people with regular thermite rather than mentioning nano-thermite.
photo of Ground Zero workers sitting in front of a beam that had been cut off with a cutting charge...
I remember that. IIRC, it was cut about a 45 degree angle, no?
Yes! and the slag was formed in a perfect outside bead with no splash over, (ceramic mold) and it would have been impossible (and entirely too dangerous, even with a crane sling spotting the beam to protect the worker from sudden death) to cut that box beam from the inside with a torch or a lance.
