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Title: Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens
Source: http://gunwatch.blogspot.com
URL Source: http://gunwatch.blogspot.com
Published: Dec 16, 2012
Author: gunwatch
Post Date: 2012-12-16 20:12:01 by abraxas
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Views: 1086
Comments: 18

Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens Saturday, December 15, 2012 13:10
The are several documented cases where armed citizens have stopped mass attacks by gunmen. Let me list a few: The Pearl, Mississippi school shooting was stopped by the vice principal Joel Myrick with a Colt .45, The Appalachian School shooting was stopped by two students with handguns. Both of the above incidents were stopped by the armed citizens threatening the shooter without firing.
Pearl High School Link
Appalacian Law School Link
Plans to slay everyone in the Muskegon, Michigan, store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their “gnawing hunger for crack cocaine” fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back.
Muskegon Shooting Link
The mass church shooting in Colorado Springs was stopped by the shooter being shot by a church member with a CCW permit.
New Life Church Link
The Santa Clara gunshop shooting in 1999 was stopped by an armed citizen after the shooter declared that he was going to kill everyone. Police found a list of intended victims in his car. Only the perpetrator, Richard Gable Stevens was shot.
Santa Clara Gunshop Link
The December, 1991, Aniston, Alabama defense where a CCW holder stopped armed robbers who were herding employees, customers, and his wife into a cooler. He shot both robbers, killing one.
Aniston Shoney’s Shooting Link
July 13, 2009, in Virginia at the Golden Food Market: The gunman tried to shoot several people, was stopped by a CCW carrier.
Golden Food Market Shooting Link
Just recently, in Early Texas, armed citizen Vic Stacy shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle. Stacy made a very long shot with his revolver, three times as far as the perpetrator was from the police officer, who had an AR-15 type rifle.
Early Texas Peach House Shooting Link
That sounds like a very good story… but it never made the national news.
I wonder who made the decision to spike that story.
Of course, when a mass shooting is stopped by an armed citizen, there are not as many victims. This leads to the charge that it would not really have been a “mass shooting”.
2012-12-15 13:00:38
Source: http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/mass-killings-stopped-by-armed-citizens.html
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#1. To: abraxas (#0)
Great post, abraxas. When I went to work in L.A. I was always packing heat regardless of the law. In fact, when I was sitting in a Korean restaurant across from CBS lot, I remember a retired cop from Chicago telling me I'd be a fool to be not packing heat in this town considering the gang problem and that the law won't protect victims but instead pardon the offenders!

purplerose posted on 2012-12-17 10:50:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: abraxas (#0) (Edited)
With reference to the Shady Hook school tragedy, I don't know if an "armed citizen" in the school would have helped any. The principal, after all, was the first person killed.
Having every teacher holstered up has its problems. There are, frankly, some teachers that shouldn't be carrying deadly weapons. The gun for a teacher works only if that teacher has a faster draw and better aim than the bad guy - and if the teacher is willing to shoot to kill; not every teacher would be a good shootist. Would the teachers be trained and made to do frequent target practice? Would the teacher take the gun home with him/her or leave it in the school overnight? What if the teacher didn't want a gun in her own home, even if only for nights and weekends? Suppose some kids grabs the teacher's gun?
The teacher presumably would be carrying this gun within reach at all times while on the job. This means the teacher would have a holster and gun where the kids would see it every day all day; it's possible these kids would grow up feeling that having a gun on one's belt is normal and acceptable.
On the other hand, giving guns to all the teachers would probably make the teachers' unions far more effective in negotiating for pay increases and the like, and probably no one would dare cross a teachers' picket line.

Shoonra posted on 2012-12-20 0:00:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Shoonra (#2)
Once again, I ask you why it is ok for the teachers to be armed in Israel but not in America?

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James Deffenbach posted on 2012-12-20 0:15:36 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Shoonra, All (#2)
Friday, Dec. 14, 2012; Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Texas school where teachers carry guns prepared to protect students
Texas Gov. Rick Perry urged school districts to review their plans to ensure they are prepared to respond to incidents such as the horrific shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday.
David Thweatt, superintendent of the tiny Harrold school district in northwest Texas, believes his staff is ready.
Besides special locks and security cameras, an undisclosed number of staff members and teachers carry concealed handguns.
Thweatt said the "guardian plan," which drew international attention when it was implemented in 2008, definitely enhances student safety.
"Is that 100 percent? No," Thweatt said Friday in a telephone interview. "Nothing is 100 percent. But what we do know is that we've done all we can to protect our children."
At the time the plan was put in place, Harrold, about 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth, was the only known public school district in Texas and the U.S. that allowed staff members and teachers to carry concealed weapons. Thweat said he knows of some other districts that have since adopted similar policies, but declined to name them.
Harrold school officials do not announce which teachers are "packing" and those participating must have proper concealed carry licenses. They must also be approved by the school board to carry on school grounds.
Board members approved the measure because the district is at least 20 minutes from the nearest station of the Wilbarger County Sheriff's Department.
The district has one school, with about 110 students and 15 teachers, according to the Texas Education Agency.
"We have one entry to the school," Thweatt said, adding that special locks can be activated from his office. "We also have the cameras, but we didn't have anything to deal with an active shooter."
The guardian plan was researched for more than a year before the school board considered it. Some board members didn't like it.
"My board at first didn't want to be the poster child for this," he said.
But Thweatt said he wanted to minimize casualties that could quickly increase while waiting for deputies. He didn't want a plan where you "lock yourself in your closet and hope that an intruder won't hurt you. So what we came up with was a policy that would protect."
Still, the strategy draws criticism from people who "don't believe guns, kids and schools mix," Thweatt said.
There has not been an incident on his campus, and Thweatt doesn't expect one.
He said his heart was heavy after learning of Friday's shooting in Connecticut, in which 20 elementary school students were killed by a 20-year-old gunman.
"It's just tearing me up," he said. "...I have children of my own. I can't stand to think of my little guys just getting slaughtered like that. My heart just bleeds for these people.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/12/14/4486104/texas-school-where-teachers- carry.html#storylink=omni_popular
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
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X-15 posted on 2012-12-20 0:25:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: James Deffenbach, Shoonra (#3)
Once again, I ask you why it is ok for the teachers to be armed in Israel but not in America?

hehehehehe...and Shoon's response is nil, nada, mute...
Morale of the story: Guns are bad in 'merika but good in Izzy, yes?
If Shoon is Jewish, she/he owns guns. Like my Jewish neighbor told me, his ancestors gave up their guns to a nice gun control vegan guy called Adolph and it didn't turn out too well for them so he's not going to make the same mistake.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 0:28:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: scrapper2 (#5)
hehehehehe...and Shoon's response is nil, nada, mute...

Second time I have asked him too. Don't know why he is so bashful about answering a simple question like that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton
The human herd stampedes on the fields of facts and the valleys of truth to get to the desert of ignorance. Saman Mohammadi
"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner." Mencken
"..if the military is going to defend our freedoms, then we need freedoms to defend. Our freedoms must be restored before the military can defend them..." Lawrence M. Vance
Você me trata desse jeito só porque eu sou preto. Junior (my youngest son)
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-12-20 1:13:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: X-15 (#4)
Texas Gov. Rick Perry urged school districts to review their plans to ensure they are prepared to respond to incidents such as the horrific shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday.
David Thweatt, superintendent of the tiny Harrold school district in northwest Texas, believes his staff is ready.
Besides special locks and security cameras, an undisclosed number of staff members and teachers carry concealed handguns.

Say what you will about Hairdo, I think it was quite smart of Perry to make it known to MSM that he supports schools having a locked and loaded defensive plan in place. He's advising kooks in America that their dream of 15 minutes of fame would be a very short 10 second gurgle if they try to pull anything in Texas.
It's interesting that the recent mass killings have not taken place in Texas or Florida - 2 states that are armed to the teeth. Killers ( and their manipulators) like gun free zones like schools and theaters and malls and states like CT and Colorado and CA. - for good reason.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 1:14:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: James Deffenbach (#6)
Don't know why he is so bashful about answering a simple question like that.

Shoonra needs to get clearance for his response from He She Napolitano - Nappy is not answering her page at this hour.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 1:16:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: scrapper2 (#7)
He's advising kooks in America that their dream of 15 minutes of fame would be a very short 10 second gurgle if they try to pull anything in Texas.

I don't think these recent mass shootings can all be attributed to "kooks" ... reviewing the vids that are available really makes this one hard to buy. The Coroner looks to be a vampire and states that all of the children had been shot by a rifle when no rifle was found inside the school.
One of the parents is relaxed and laughing until called to speak for the camera and all of a sudden his demeanor changes from jolly to grief stricken.
Several witnesses speak of men wearing camo and black being handcuffed face down, one having been dragged out of the woods after being chased there by police.
Where are the school's video tapes ? Who were these men running around and being arrested and cuffed ? How many guns could this 20 year old kid carry and fire proficiently ? Why does the coroner say every kid he had inspected was shot by a long rifle but we're told no rifles made it into the school ? Some reports state the dead Lanza kid had 4 pistols, not just 2. (WTF is going on ?)
What happened to the purple van with blown out rear window ? And when has any of these so-called mass shooters killed so many without just wounding a few ? I've only heard about one teacher being wounded but haven't seen any evidence of this teacher being wounded. No kids wounded - all killed ... bullshit.
Can the perps keep this fraud under wraps ?
Treason has conspired with Greed and colluded with Murderers to overthrow "OUR" country.
"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!
noone222 posted on 2012-12-20 3:31:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: scrapper2, 4 (#7)
It's interesting that the recent mass killings have not taken place in Texas or Florida - 2 states that are armed to the teeth

Nor have there been any of these types of school shootings in NYC. Back in the early 70s, the NYPD began stationing a police officer in some of the most dangerous schools in the city. Crime dropped dramatically, and to this date there is some form of security in many, if not most, public schools. So to answer the leftist loons who dismiss positioning trained, armed people in our schools, the idea is decades old and highly successful.

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-12-20 8:45:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Shoonra, 4 (#2)
Having every teacher holstered up has its problems.

I realize this is a dopey question considering your overt liberalism, but here it is anyway. Why does the loony left like yourself insist on making a reasonable solution difficult? IMO an armed teacher isn't the best way to go. They have enough to do and anytime someone wears two hats, one of their functions usually suffers. The NYPD has assigned uniformed and plain clothes police officers to schools since the late 60s, early 70s. Today, there is still a security program in many inner city schools which are supervised by the police department. Have you noticed that there hasn't been any of these types of shootings in these gun-free zones?

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-12-20 10:30:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
Obviously Bloomberg did not get the memo about NYC police in schools. If he did, heads would roll. If Bloomberg goes nuts about sugary sodas in schools, I can only imagine the fit he'd throw about police WITH GUNS - eeeeeeeek - keeping schools safe.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 11:46:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: farmfriend, Artisan, CA slaves @4um (#7)
On the subject of Governors, what's up with our "beloved" Moonbeam? He is MIA. I would have thought after Sandy Hook happened, Brown would be hogging the mike 24/7 urging Messiah to use an Executive Order to outlaw guns in 'merika.But I haven't heard a peep from Brown.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 11:52:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: scrapper2, Artisan (#13)
what's up with our "beloved" Moonbeam?

He has prostate cancer.
I think he is leaving it up to the legislature so he doesn't have to take the heat. State senator is going to push legislation requiring you to register to buy ammo.
The advantage of exercising every day is so when you die, they'll say, 'Well, he looks good doesn't he?'
farmfriend posted on 2012-12-20 12:38:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: farmfriend, shooters, 4 (#14)
check out this link for scores of citizens would didn't wait for the cops -

www.prattontexas.com/antiwimpshell.htm
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2012-12-20 13:19:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Shoonra (#2) (Edited)
Shroonra: Help! Help! Police! There's a armed man breaking into my house and he's going to kill me!
Police: We're on our way!
Shooter: BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM.
Police: Hello? Hello? Anybody there?
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2012-12-20 13:20:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: scrapper2 (#13)
what's up with our "beloved" Moonbeam? He is MIA.

Ya' think?

Jethro Tull posted on 2012-12-20 14:02:45 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Shoonra (#2)
The principal, after all, was the first person killed.

Unarmed principal.......
Why is it okay for teachers in Israel to conduct class with an AK on their back but not teachers in the US?
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
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abraxas posted on 2012-12-20 20:26:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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