When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
No wind chill that day. There was no wind after 2 in the afternoon, and the temperature was 44 to 42 degrees.
That's a balmy winter day for New Englanders, light coats or a doctor's smock over a t-shirt would be sufficient.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
his layer of blubber and possible use of narcotics (used by many doctors and health care professionals with access to them) may reduce his sensitivity to cold. When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
Noted, although he's much less critical, imo, concerning investigations of observed weather-effect anomalies than are more pertinent examples of others and the landscape on Dec 14th. There were no calm winds reported for Newton from 9:00 a.m. until 6 p.m. on that date. Winds were between a low of 4 mph and a high of 11.5 mph the entire time for daylight-condtions re: allegedly filming outdoors and other factors in question like noticeable movements or not of things such as hair, breath-vapor, tree branches, leaves, etc.; people in thin shirts -- especially children -- appearing not to be cold after supposedly being outside for quite a while; many parents and adults seemingly unconcerned about children without warmer clothing in-transit to and from the fire station and during interviews. From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras.
Uh huh.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
There were no calm winds reported for Newton from 9:00 a.m. until 6 p.m. on that date. Winds were between a low of 4 mph and a high of 11.5 mph the entire time for daylight-condtions re: allegedly filming outdoors and other factors in question like noticeable movements or not of things such as hair, tree branches, leaves, breath-vapor, etc.; people in thin shirts -- especially children -- appearing not to be cold after supposedly being outside for quite a while; many parents and adults seemingly unconcerned about children without warmer clothing in-transit to and from the fire station and during interviews. From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.
Please try to post more relevant info if you're going to give a weather report.
First off, the children did not begin to leave the school till somewhere around 10 AM. At that time, the temperature was 38 degrees with a 7 mph wind. The temperature then climbed steadily up to 48 degrees through 3 PM. The winds ranged from 5 to 12 mph during that timeframe.
You can report weather at 11 PM and say that it was freezing, but so what? These events did not happen at 11 PM at night, so why even bother bringing it up?
As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples?
Concerning "seeing" the breaths of people outdoors, that usually doesn't happen unless the humidity is high and the difference between the dew point and actual temperature is 5 degrees or less. Throughout the timeframe of the evacuation and reuniting of the children and their parents, the difference was greater than that, so not seeing condensation is to be expected. In fact it'd be quite odd if there HAD been condensation at those temperatures on a sunny day.
As far as wind, there are signs of wind in various clips. You won't see the tree branches sway at those wind speeds however.
In terms of clothing, all of the images I've seen appear consistant with what people would wear in those conditions, with some children wearing heavy winter coats, while others wore sweatshirts or light jackets.
You again are gyrating around some dubious claims in an effort to conclude that this was all shot in a Hollywood studio. Get a grip of yourself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras.
Uh huh.
What we can be relatively certain about is that officialdom typically tells us absurdities malevolently and you will act like the crab for them that pulls others back into the box if they try to think outside of it beyond the setting of your one-dimensional parameters. Secretive societies with a penchant for playing funeral games -- and idealogues, too, that tend to believe the ends justify the means and will lie or worse to get what they want -- probably aren't news to you so posturing as if there couldn't be any such thing involved in this is odd, especially considering that this is from your post at #58 of 4um Title: How 9-11 Was Done:
You will find NO "professional experience", since the man couldn't even fly a single engine plane. Apparently he was handed this "license" as part of the "Legend".
From Wiki
In larger networks the organization can be complex with many methods to avoid detection, including clandestine cell systems. Often the players have never met. [sic] sometimes a person with a well-prepared synthetic identity, called a Legend in tradecraft, may attempt to infiltrate a target organization.
You're trying to equate the "legend" of Hani Hanjour's flying experience with the existance of an entire town of people, many who know each other personally, who are neighbors with the people whose lives were affected by this massacre.
You are claiming that these people who have had their children killed, along with the families of the teachers and principal, are all fake.
You are trying to claim that everyone, including the children, are all actors. Do you not realize how insane you sound?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I posted a summary of the weather for the day at Newtown, CT from the nearby Danbury Municipal Airport (not somewhere out West, like your college-reference) with a link to verify. That you post something conflicting doesn't make mine wrong. I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly-covert Utah. Regardless, take a hike and find somebody else to talk to.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I posted a summary of the weather for the day from Danbury Municipal Airport. That you post something conflicting doesn't make mine wrong. I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly- covert Utah.
Are you retarded? Did you even look at the source of the MesoWest data? It's from the National Weather Service you fool.
The weather I posted is THE OFFICIAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA FROM DANBURY MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. Do you UNDERSTAND?
That you can't read tabular data just indicates you aren't very bright. You didn't exactly post conflicting data, you just tossed out a lot of red herrings that had nothing to do with the weather around the time of the evacuation of the school.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
You can report weather at 11 PM and say that it was freezing, but so what? These events did not happen at 11 PM at night, so why even bother bringing it up?
As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
No wind chill that day. There was no wind after 2 in the afternoon, and the temperature was 44 to 42 degrees.
That's a balmy winter day for New Englanders, light coats or a doctor's smock over a t-shirt would be sufficient.
Well, that's a bit cool for me, and I did notice that the doctor was wearing a long lab coat and that he kept his hands in his pockets while keeping his arms tight to his body. In short, he was posing as expected of a doctor in 40°-ish weather who wanted to be recorded in a clean white lab blouse instead of something more appropriate, i.e., his classic grey tweed LONDON FOG overcoat.
I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility
I sort of suspect you work for the folks at Fort Meade, that or Tel Aviv. You toss out these "it was all done in Hollywood" tales on sensitive topics, such as 9/11 and now the Sandy Hook shootings, to make anyone who questions the official tale look like an idiot or worse.
There ARE some serious questions that need to be asked about this case. However, insisting that it was all done in a studio, that there were no children killed that morning, and that all of the town is fake, the people are all actors, well, that's something somebody would post if they are ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING in the COVER UP itself of what REALLY happened that morning.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I did notice that the doctor was wearing a long lab coat and that he kept his hands in his pockets while keeping his arms tight to his body. In short, he was posing as expected of a doctor in 40°-ish weather who wanted to be recorded in a clean white lab blouse instead of something more appropriate
Also, remember that the temps dip to the 20's at night, so on a sunny day with no wind, and the temps around the mid-forties, a typical New Englander would find that to be pretty mild.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly- covert Utah. Regardless, take a hike and find somebody else to talk to.
Congratulations Former Lurker, you got the nut to crack.
I think the nut cracked well before this evening... LOL
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I sort of suspect you work for the folks at Fort Meade, that or Tel Aviv.
I've lost track of how many times I've heard that type of thing from you and Ricky. I guess that means you're both way more "cracked" than me, as you said.
You toss out these "it was all done in Hollywood" tales on sensitive topics, such as 9/11 and now the Sandy Hook shootings, to make anyone who questions the official tale look like an idiot or worse.
You don't look like an idiot because I question things of official presentations, FL. More like because you don't question their presentations enough and instead would rather mangle and twist most anything I and other questioners say or post info about on such subjects and then fabricate it into an unrecognizable mess.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Also, remember that the temps dip to the 20's at night, so on a sunny day with no wind, and the temps around the mid-forties, a typical New Englander would find that to be pretty mild.
Especially a man as fat as that medical examiner was. All that fat insulates him pretty good.
Also, remember that the temps dip to the 20's at night, so on a sunny day with no wind, and the temps around the mid-forties, a typical New Englander would find that to be pretty mild.
Right.
Plus, he may have been basking in the (imaginary) warmth of the (adoring) media.
He certainly managed to charm himself by attempting to speak plainly which ordinarily I would applaud. But he was just plain smarmy and clearly taken with himself. He didn't seen to know that, while his office warranted the media attention his poor presentation clearly did not.
Edited sentence 1 at section 1 and sentence 2 at section 2.
If you could only edit your thoughts and see the facts rather than your delusions, you'd be better off.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
If there's many, then you should be able to find at least one or two images that you could post here, right?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Oh good grief is right. But you know what they say, speak in haste, repent at leisure.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
Especially a man as fat as that medical examiner was. All that fat insulates him pretty good.
Just going to the market I see people in t-shirts and shorts when the temperatures are in the mid forties or above. Myself I think that's pushing it, I at least wear an outer shirt or a thin jacket, with jeans, till the temperatures are in the mid 50's or so..
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I'll withdraw the statement about FL since I've decided that the NSA would probably laugh at the thought.
Oh thanks, for a while there I thought my cover was blown. Now I can go to sleep without worrying over it...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#80. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach (#77)(Edited)
I'll withdraw the statement about FL since I've decided that the NSA would probably laugh at the thought.
I was hoping to witness the burying of the manually activated debranching tool last night, as the spirit of mutual respect was rising from the ashes.....
4um is my home because I feel a lot of love from the good folks here. Feelings that are non aligned confuse and confound me.
Oh thanks, for a while there I thought my cover was blown. Now I can go to sleep without worrying over it...
Hibernate all winter if you want. I'm sure it would be a cold day in some dimension usually described as very hot before you or Ricky ever withdraw yours so I won't wait for it.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Picture Schroeder with his head down on the piano....
Hmmm.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: James Deffenbach, X-15, christine, Jethro Tull, titorite, FormerLurker, Esso, GreyLmist (#74)
Oh good grief is right. But you know what they say, speak in haste, repent at leisure.
Eactly.
I sense defensive and hastily posted replies that are needless. No one's stock will ever drop in my eyes because he or she failed to parry and thrust before the Sun rises....
In fact at Liberty Forum NewsReader once savaged me in a lengthy post that he hoped would warrant an immediate and detailed counterattack.
"That's mee", I replied. Everyone laffed and all was well.
I may be one of the worst ones to give anyone any advice but when I find that I just can't get along with someone at all and know that no matter what I say they are never going to change their mind I will usually add them to the kill file. Or as some call it the bozo filter. Not in every case but in most cases. Especially with people who are disrespectful and who seem to be ineducable.
edit: Just to be sure everyone understands what I am saying here, I am not calling either poster engaged in this contretemps ineducable. Only that some people seem to be and that could just be personality conflicts, I don't know. I just know life is too short for such things.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
I was hoping to witness the burying of the manually activated debranching tool last night, as the spirit of mutual respect was rising from the ashes.....
4um is my home because I feel a lot of love from the good folks here. Feelings that are non aligned confuse and confound me.
#86. To: HOUNDDAWG, GreyLmist, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach (#80)
I was hoping to witness the burying of the manually activated debranching tool last night, as the spirit of mutual respect was rising from the ashes.....
4um is my home because I feel a lot of love from the good folks here. Feelings that are non aligned confuse and confound me.
Well here's a little Christmas cheer for everyone...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
I may be one of the worst ones to give anyone any advice but when I find that I just can't get along with someone at all and know that no matter what I say they are never going to change their mind I will usually add them to the kill file. Or as some call it the bozo filter. Not in every case but in most cases. Especially with people who are disrespectful and who seem to be ineducable.
edit: Just to be sure everyone understands what I am saying here, I am not calling either poster engaged in this contretemps ineducable. Only that some people seem to be and that could just be personality conflicts, I don't know. I just know life is too short for such things.
*bozo filter*
No my friend, it needed to be said and in fact the idea crossed my mind not 20 minutes ago.
And like you I concluded that the circs do not warrant such a drastic remedy, nor would I relish losing two interesting and passionate posters from my circle of trust.
My concern is that this place could steadily degenerate into Goldi Land II. And then I'd no longer have a home, a sanctuary where friends share my happiness, my heartaches, my tears and fears, and then I'd be a lost old man adrift in a virtual sea, trying to avoid the net that is cast so wide that only the CIA could be the primary beneficiary.
Shoonra might enjoy this one more. I'm not sure if these guys are elves, but they're dancing...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
And like you I concluded that the circs do not warrant such a drastic remedy, nor would I relish losing two interesting and passionate posters from my circle of trust.
Neither would I. I don't think of either of them as bozo material, was just thinking that if they couldn't get along then it might be something they would want to consider. Or not. I assume they both know it is available so I really don't need to say any more about it.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
