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Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver
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Published: Dec 20, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-20 02:04:36 by wudidiz
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Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver
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#1. To: christine, titorite, scrapper2, Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, Artisan, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, HighLairEon, Esso, Parrot with speed dial, Lod, Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, all (#0)

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-20 2:07:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: wudidiz (#1) (Edited)
This is making its rounds all over the net tonight on the various sites I frequent.
Personally I think he is dim witted enough to be legit.

/s

titorite posted on 2012-12-20 2:10:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: wudidiz (#0) (Edited)
He has the same extensive vocabulary as our "brainiac" ( cough, cough) Messiah...uh huh uh huh...
Someone please send a teleprompter as a Christmas gift to this Medical Examiner.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 2:12:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: wudidiz (#0)
Perfect!!! A medical examiner you couldn't trust to tell the truth if he knew it!!!
I can just see his fist pump after the interview as he exclaims "Nailed it!"
We are SOOO fucked.
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Hmmmmm posted on 2012-12-20 9:15:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Hmmmmm, titorite, scrapper2 (#4)
We are SOOO fucked.

It's okay. The world's supposed to end tomorrow anyway.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-20 9:53:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: wudidiz, All, , *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0) (Edited)
I've seen enough videos of people allegedly outdoors there but dressed in no jackets or very light jackets and with no windblown hair to convince me that what we've been seeing could be staged to some extent from an indoor set somewhere. It's like they seem oblivious to the fact that Connecticut is a northerly, New England state and it is nearly Winter; because they aren't really outside. Either that or maybe they're largely mass hypnotized and so don't shiver in the cold like people who aren't most likely would in that region at this time of year. Very doubtful, imo, that weather conditions there this week have actually been so remarkably extraordinary.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-20 12:57:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: wudidiz (#0)
Wow. The 3 Stooges could have given a more informative press conference.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 13:28:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: wudidiz (#0)
Anyone who knows coroners at all knows almost all of them are more than a little strange.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2012-12-20 13:38:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: GreyLmist (#6)
I've seen enough videos of people allegedly outdoors there but dressed in no jackets or very light jackets and with no windblown hair to convince me that what we've been seeing could be staged to some extent from an indoor set somewhere. It's like they seem oblivious to the fact that Connecticut is a northerly, New England state and it is nearly Winter; because they aren't really outside.

You are off your rocker GL. It's been relatively mild in the day in New England these past several days, so no, this isn't on a soundstage in Hollywood.
I guess to you, EVERYTHING you see in the form of video comes from Hollywood.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 13:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: FormerLurker (#9) (Edited)
You are off your rocker GL. It's been relatively mild in the day in New England these past several days, so no, this isn't on a soundstage in Hollywood.
I guess to you, EVERYTHING you see in the form of video comes from Hollywood.

Can you even make a substantive reply that doesn't resemble a mudpie? I guess to you, EVERYTHING you see as a fact of official presentations is real simply because you believe it to be so but the .gov weather report very near there from the 17th to today (Ref: Medical Examiner vid above posted the 18th) doesn't much jive with yours. The windchill factor has gone down to freezing with winds generally not listed as calm (below 3 mph). Where the chart states weather conditions as Fair, that doesn't equate to warm -- just not snow, sleet, hail, rain, fog...that sort of thing.
http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KDXR.html
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-20 14:54:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: wudidiz (#5)
It's okay. The world's supposed to end tomorrow anyway.

Oh, I hope so.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Esso posted on 2012-12-20 15:16:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: FormerLurker (#7)
The 3 Stooges could have given a more informative press conference.

The Marx Brothers would've been good in the role too.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Esso posted on 2012-12-20 15:18:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: GreyLmist (#10) (Edited)
EVERYTHING you see as a fact of official presentations is real simply because you believe it to be so but the .gov weather report very near there from the 17th to today (Ref: Medical Examiner vid above posted the 18th) doesn't much jive with yours. The windchill factor has gone down to freezing

Bullshit, you've just proven you make things up as you go. You're less credible than ANY news reporter.
I live in Northern New England, and it's been relatively mild these past few days, during the day at least.
Connecticut is in Southern New England, with Newtown being close to NYC.
On the day of the press conference, (December 15th if you bothered looking it up) the temperature was a balmy 44 degrees at noontime in Hartford.
It certainly wasn't freezing or close to it, and there was NOT any wind.
Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford
You jump to absurd conclusions without doing even the most basic research, and make announcements as if they were fact, where in reality they are just delusions in your mind.
In terms of the date, look at the date the press conference video was posted...

Here's the CNN link that reports the medical examiner's news conference;
[Updated at 3:55 p.m. ET] The state's chief medical examiner says he believes all of the victims were shot more than once.
The medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver II, speaking at a news conference in Newtown, said that all of the victims died of gunshot wounds, and the manner of death was homicide. The seven bodies he examined personally had three to 11 wounds each, he said.
“I believe everyone was hit more than once,” Carver said.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 15:22:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Esso (#12)
The Marx Brothers would've been good in the role too.

Yeah, but did they have the experience of Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 15:31:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: FormerLurker (#14) (Edited)
Yeah, but did they have the experience of Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard?

I think it was in "A Day at the Races" Groucho Marx was a veterinarian and human psychiatrist at a sanitarium. Seems like a perfect fit to me.
Then there's always me & Dakmar. That'd be a hoot.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Esso posted on 2012-12-20 16:03:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: FormerLurker, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#13) (Edited)
What's your point? The video you referenced in your post is no longer available here and was not available yesterday for viewing at the CNN article link that you referenced either -- which oddly happens to be dated Dec. 15 but the date on the video there is Dec. 16. ??? I was able to view it by clicking on the Full Story link at the bottom of the page and it is not the same video referenced here [Edit to add: by wudidiz, which I commented on]. Afaik, your Medical Examiner video- reference is an interview that was from days earlier.
Hartford is about 50 miles from Newton -- nearly an hour away; much farther than the .gov weather report that I referenced for nearby Danbury. We can surmise that the videos in question were allegedly filmed before sunset (which was reportedly around 5:00 p.m.) because it is still daylight. These weather reports below from Newton (for a three day span which includes Dec 14 through Dec 16, when the video-ref. you posted was stamped at the CNN site) show that there were no calm winds recorded there on Dec 16 at any time frame and no calm winds from about 7:00 a.m. until after sunset on the 14th and 15th. Note, too, that there were freezing and near freezing temperatures recorded and calm winds does not mean no wind, just less than 3 mph. Temps in the 40s are not warm without a coat and windchill factor makes it seem colder than it is. (Scroll down; Observed at: Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial, CT):
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 16 2012
Edited to correct the first two weather report links and to include the bracket insert in paragraph 1.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-21 14:39:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16) (Edited)
Per the link you posted the temperature for Little Danbury CT was 45 degrees F on December 15th at 3PM with a 5.8 MPH breeze.
Little Danbury CT is right on the coast, which typically has some type of breeze or wind on most days. Newtown CT on the other hand is further inland, almost as far from the coast as Hartford, but more to the southwest towards NYC.
So even IF the weather info you posted was relevant, the temperature was almost 50 degrees, far from freezing, and would be quite comfortable.
The coroner's news conference which took place in Newtown CT was reported at CNN on 3:55 PM December 15th, if you bothered looking it up.
To a New Englander, a temperature of 42 degrees with no wind on a sunny day would be comfortable with a light jacket.
You don't give up do you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-21 14:51:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: GreyLmist (#16)
According to the Weather Underground website, the wind speed for Newtown CT on the 15th of December 2012 was 0 mph at 3PM and the temperture was 44 degrees at that time.
www.wunderground.com/hist.../12/15/Da ilyHistory.html? req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-21 15:01:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: GreyLmist (#16)
In terms of date, here are a few links which report the coroner's press conference on Dec. 15, 2012;
Medical Examiner: Newtown Shooting Victims Suffered 'Devastating Set of Injuries'
Medical examiner: all Sandy Hook victims died of multiple gunshot wounds
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-21 15:13:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: wudidiz (#0)
The guy is under a lot of pressure. I think he knows without a doubt that boy didn't kill all those kids and is worried that if he says so he will be the next victim. He might figure they plan on possibly offing him anyway since they know he knows the truth. It would be interesting to see if his behaviour here is his normal behaviour at press conferences, if he has ever done one before. If it isn't, then I think he has been threatened about what he says to the public.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-12-21 15:32:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: GreyLmist (#6)
Yankees take northern temperatures easier.
Like wise they can not take southern summers.
My wife , shes from Monteral QC. So thats my experience with it.
_____________________________________________________________Never lose an opportunity of seeing anything beautiful. Welcome it in every face, in every sky, in every flower. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ______________________________________________ I should read more of Emerson.
titorite posted on 2012-12-21 17:06:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: FormerLurker (#18) (Edited)
According to the Weather Underground website, the wind speed for Newtown CT on the 15th of December 2012 was 0 mph at 3PM and the temperture was 44 degrees at that time.
www.wunderground.com/hist.../12/15/Da ilyHistory.html? req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

The Weather Underground?!? Let me get this straight. I posted an official NOAA .gov weather report link for nearby Danbury spanning the timeframe which was relevant to the video referenced by wudidiz that I had commented on; but that wasn't good enough for you, someone who believes the official presentations are factual, so you instead:

1. gave me your own personal weather report and this link from timeanddate.com of conditions in Hartford that is farther away and
2. injected into the discussion a different video of the Medical Examiner being interviewed, which was likely from a different timeframe (i.e. not the same day as the video referenced by wudidiz; which shows a fence in the background and your reference doesn't), and then posted a link to CNN where your video example couldn't be viewed there (except by going through a Full Story routing link to a different article) but it does show a date-stamp conflict on the video box that's a day later than the article you posted -- which has no updated time-stamp to explain that discrepancy.

I addressed your video-sidetrack issues anyway, with linked weather reports from the nearby Danbury area going days further back to Dec 14 (the day of the reported shooting) showing that there were no calm winds recorded between 7:00 a.m. until after sunset for the timeframe of your posted video; but that still wasn't good enough for you. So, you have now:

1. given me very abbreviated linked-info for Danbury...from The Weather Undergound...which calls to mind the terrorists Bernadine Dohrn (who declared War on America) and her husband, Bill Ayers (who regrets that more wasn't done along the lines of the murderous bombings that their terrorist group inflicted).
2. You claimed a 3PM timeframe of 0 mph wind logged there in a graph for Dec 15 as relevant to the Medical Examiner interview that you had referenced tangentially and then provided two linked articles for me to search through that say nothing at all about 3PM or any other specific time for that interview.
3. You state that the interview you referenced tangentially took place at 3:55 PM December 15th, as if it was my job to research and pinpoint that hour for your reference when it has nothing to do with the video from wudidiz that I commented on; with reference to other questionable examples than just the Medical Examiner on that particular day (or not) regarding wind and temperature; especially re: the 14th -- the day of said shooting.
4. You also state: "even IF the weather info you posted was relevant, the temperature was almost 50 degrees, far from freezing, and would be quite comfortable."
However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds. That info is relevant to your posted video somewhat in consideration of distance (from Hartford to Treadwell Park, Newton -- about 1 mile from the school; which is cited at your news.yahoo.com link as the location of the Dec 15th Medical Examiner interview) but it is not relevant to the issues I noted in my first comment here as to numerous other examples of other dates and timeframes.

FL: Little Danbury CT is right on the coast, which typically has some type of breeze or wind on most days. Newtown CT on the other hand is further inland, almost as far from the coast as Hartford, but more to the southwest towards NYC.

For the record: The distance between Hartford and Newtown is approx. 50 miles/1 hour. The distance from Newtown to New York City is approx. 80 miles/1.5 hours. The distance from Newtown/Little Danbury Municipal Airport to the Bridgeport weather station is approx. 20-30 miles/30 mins. Since the NOAA .gov site for Danbury Municipal Airport (that I linked first) has changed to info for Dec 19th through the 22nd, I will repost here (for reference and comparison convenience) your timeanddate.com weather report site and your date-changeable wunderground.com weather report site for Danbury, CT. Also, the 3 friendlyforecast.com links that I listed at #16 [for Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County)/Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial, CT] with an additional 4 more for the week onward from Fri, Dec 14 through Thu, Dec 20. Incidentally, your own wunderground.com site for Danbury, CT shows a minimum temp of 21 degrees, a maximum temp of 48 degrees and an average temp of 34 degrees with winds reaching above 10 mph from 8AM to 5PM on the date of Dec 14 (which is the date and timeframes of most relevance to what I initially commented on, aside from the Medical Examiner) and that info corroborates my suspicion "that what we've been seeing could be staged to some extent from an indoor set somewhere." Note that I didn't say everything we've been seeing about this matter was staged on an indoor set somewhere, as you insinuated that's what I meant.
I do not have unlimited time to debate your side issues on this. Suffice it to say, regarding your video reference, that there was wind speed of close to 6 mph recorded at the Danbury link I posted for the 15th during the 3PM-4PM timeframe, which you noted for the Medical Examiner interview in question on the 15th -- high enough that it should have been noticeable as to hair ruffling and such in that video; with the windchill factor likely colder than the 45 degrees recorded there. I, too, live in a northern region and have for most of my life. I do not consider temps in the 40s (windy or not) to be warm enough to be outdoors for an extended period without a coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt, which is what is depicted in a number of videos with no sign of the people appearing to feel cold. So, unless you want to stand in a temp adjusted walk-in cooler for quite some time in a thin shirt with a fan blowing at adjusted wind speeds for every video example in question and then testify that your hair wasn't blowing and you didn't feel chilly at all, what you've declared to be comfortable and mild conditions for others is entirely irrelevant and I thoroughly disagree with that assertion.
Scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page to reference:
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 16 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 17 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 18 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 19 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 20 2012
Edited for clarity and readability.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 7:15:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: GreyLmist (#22) (Edited)
Your problem, GL, is that refuse to accept reality. People who live in New England know for a fact what the weather has been like. You don't. Rather than accepting the fact that there are such things as real people and real towns, you think EVERYTHING of importance is filmed in a studio somewhere.
If you had any sense at all you'd be able to eliminate what is real from what isn't, but in your case, NOTHING is real, not the people, not the town, not the weather, nothing.
That is why you have no credibility.
The links I provided prove that the temperature at the time of the press conference was mild, with a temperature of 44 degrees with zero wind at 3PM and 4PM on December 15th in Newtown CT.
You can tap dance all you want, it's not going to change that fact.
Oh, and your link to LITTLE Danbury is irrelevant, since the town of DANBURY is NOT the same town as LITTLE Danbury, which is about 25 miles away to the south, with Little Danbury right on the coast, whereas Danbury is inland.
As far as MINIMUM temperatures, those occur around 5 AM or so, NOT in the middle of the afternoon. Have you ever left the southern regions of the US and been up in New England?
You can spin and gyrate all over the place with tons of irrelevant links and page upon page of your opinion, but it doesn't matter, you can NOT change reality to make it into something YOU want it to be.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 11:07:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: GreyLmist (#22)
Have you even tried using Google Maps to see where Little Danbury is in relation to Danbury and Newtown? Little Danbury is the southern region of the town of Fairfield, which is right on the coast between Norwich and Bridgeport.
Newtown is due north of it, about 25 miles inland. Danbury is about 10 miles west of Newtown. The coast almost always has some type of breeze, where inland areas are often calm. Regardless, the weather report for Newtown indicates ZERO wind with a temperature of 44 degrees at the time of the press conference, and THAT is what the facts are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 11:24:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist (#22) (Edited)
It's ALSO apparent that you are deliberately tossing out red herrings here, since the VERY SAME weather site which you are using to look up the weather for the town of Fairfield - Little Danbury can ALSO be used to look up the weather info for NEWTOWN CT, the location of interest. So why are you trying to misdirect people here with the weather for a location on the coast, whereas the weather for the town of interest can easily be found via the exact same website?
If you enter NEWTOWN CT and December 15 2012, it'll give you the weather for NEWTOWN CT on that day, and confirms that the temperature was 44 degrees with no wind for the time frame of the press conference.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
If you've ever been to New England and driven to the coast, you'd know that the weather conditions along the coast are always different than what they are a mere 5 - 10 miles or so inland. It's cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, and there is almost always a breeze, even if there is no wind at all further inland.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 11:31:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: GreyLmist (#22) (Edited)
However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds.

You are lying. If you use the same website you've been using to look up weather on the coast of Connecticut, and instead enter HARTFORD for December 15, 2012, you will see that the temperature there was 44 to 42 degrees between 3 and 4 PM of that day, with no wind at 3PM, and a mild wind of 3.5 mph at 4PM.
Hartford CT (Hartford County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012

In terms of what I had posted in regards to Hartford earlier, it matches what the Friendly Forecast website gives. Anybody can look it up to verify that fact.
Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford
As far as the wind data, scroll down on the timeanddate webpage till you see "Detailed list of observations in Hartford" and expand the item for "Weather on Dec 15". You will see that there was no wind at 2:53 PM, and a 3 mph wind at 3:53 PM, which agrees with the Friendly Forecast site.
At 6PM (from the Hartford-Brainard Airport) the temperature was 40 degrees. The observation for 5:53 PM from the timeanddate site is reported as 36 degrees. Both sites report 34 degrees at 7PM and 6:53PM. So no, the temperature did not dip to below freezing at 6PM as you claim, which really doesn't matter, but indicates you are either making this up as you go or are seriously confused when it comes to looking up data.
Regardless, it's the weather for Hartford, not Newtown, where Newtown stayed at 44 degrees during the timeframe and had no wind at all.
Is it that you don't know how to look things up, or are you deliberately misleading people on this for whatever reason? Can't you just admit that you were wrong?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 12:07:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: FormerLurker (#24) (Edited)
Have you even tried using Google Maps to see where Little Danbury is in relation to Danbury and Newtown?

Yes, I looked at several maps of the areas -- including Bridgeport.

Little Danbury is the southern region of the town of Fairfield, which is right on the coast between Norwich and Bridgeport.
Newtown is due north of it, about 25 miles inland. Danbury is about 10 miles west of Newtown. The coast almost always has some type of breeze, where inland areas are often calm. Regardless, the weather report for Newtown indicates ZERO wind with a temperature of 44 degrees at the time of the press conference, and THAT is what the facts are.

The NOAA .gov link that I posted first (but is no longer showing the timeframe in question) was for Danbury Municipal Airport, not the coast, but you discarded that official presentation which was closest. I am not going to presume your terrorist-sounding Weather Underground site (for the area of Danbury in-general and from no weather station in particular, which could have been issued from somebody's garage, for all I know at this point) ought to be considered as more accurate than the friendlyforecast.com info that I posted from yet another official weather station -- in Bridgeport -- which shows winds at about 6 mph for the 2 hours of 3PM-4PM on Dec 15th.
The fact is that there is no point in further splitting hairs about that because I'll be addressing your video again in my next reply, eventually -- in comparison to the one posted by wudidiz. Moreover, as I said in my previous post, the date of Dec 14 and those timeframes (the day of the reported shooting; the day before your reference) are of most relevance to examples I've mentioned other than the Medical Examiner.
I found more detailed wind data as to speed and direction at your Weather Underground site, btw (past a large blank section and an astronomy section, towards the bottom of the page). Suffice it to say that the speed was not logged at 0 mph all day or at any time on the 15th -- again, a logging of Calm simply meaning below 3 mph. If below 3 mph was the avg. wind speed calculated for that day there (which seems to be the case, as most timeframes are shown non-numerically/non-specifically as Calm), then that would get inaccurately translated to 0 mph but it is not a reflection of fact. A graph on the page there (for Dec 15) shows temps no higher than 45 degrees and dropping rapidly to just slightly above 40 degrees by 4PM, which is 5 mins. from the time you gave as the start point for the CNN recording of the Medical Examiner being interviewed.
Also, that site shows wind speeds ranging from above zero to higher than 10 mph (max. 12 mph, avg. 2 mph) for the hours of 8AM to 5PM on the more crucial date of Dec 14th, with an avg. temp of 34 degrees -- no higher than 46 degrees (which lasted 2 hours) and a windchill factor of no more than 43.9 degrees. Enough said on all of these issues rehashed in this reply, imo. Let's do move on now to the video comparisons that I spoke of in my third paragraph above because this line of argument is actually quite detrimental to your stance and that analysis might be somewhat less so.
Edited for spacing and grammar.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 13:41:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: FormerLurker (#26)
Here you go again, swarming the board with post after post indicating that you definitely aren't even really reading what I've said, just making a jumble of misconstruances to insult. Well, now you can wait for the comparative analysis I mentioned because I'm too busy to wade through your nouveau bog and do that too. L8r, mudslinger.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 13:55:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: FormerLurker (#23)
in your case, NOTHING is real

P.S. I'm going dub that slam your "Strawberry Fields Forever" Beatlemania post. lol
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 14:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: GreyLmist (#27)
WTF don't you understand about the fact the press conference took place on Saturday, December 15th, between 3 and 4 PM? You are all over the place with dates and times, ranging from the day of the shooting to four days later, and all over the place with geographic locations, ranging from the Connecticut coast (Little Danbury) to Hartford, to God knows where else.
You refuse to accept that the temperature of 44 degrees with no wind does not require heavy clothing, nor will zero wind stir up people's hairdo's.
You're beating a dead horse. Just admit you're wrong.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 14:30:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)
The NOAA .gov link that I posted first (but is no longer showing the timeframe in question) was for Danbury Municipal Airport, not the coast

Judging from your inability to read the weather pages which ARE available, or to determine the correct geographic location, I'd say you were off on that as well.
Regardless, you posted post after post of weather from LITTLE DANBURY, NOT DANBURY, across a 4 or 5 day timeframe.
You refuse to look at data from Newtown or Danbury, misrepresent and lie about data concerning Hartford, and are grasping at non-existant straws.
Then you wonder why a lot of people can see right through your "no-planes" nonsense.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 14:40:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)
I am not going to presume your terrorist-sounding Weather Underground site (for the area of Danbury in-general and from no weather station in particular, which could have been issued from somebody's garage, for all I know at this point)ought to be considered as more accurate than the friendlyforecast.com info that I posted from yet another official weather station -- in Bridgeport -- which shows winds at about 6 mph for the 2 hours of 3PM-4PM on Dec 15th.
A) From Weather Underground (weather service) - Wiki
Weather Underground is a commercial weather service that provides real-time weather information via the Internet. Weather Underground provides weather reports for most major cities across the world on its Web site, as well as local weather reports for newspapers and Web sites. Most of its United States information comes from the National Weather Service (NWS), as information from that agency is within the public domain by federal law. The Web site is available in many languages, and an ad-free version of the site with additional features is available for an annual fee.

B) Bridgeport is on the coast. Why is it you like to confuse inland weather with coastal weather?

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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 14:47:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)
I found more detailed wind data as to speed and direction at your Weather Underground site, btw (past a large blank section and an astronomy section, towards the bottom of the page). Suffice it to say that the speed was not logged at 0 mph all day or at any time on the 15th --
Uh huh. From History for Danbury, CT (Weather Underground)
Do you know how to read a graph? Between 2PM and 11PM there was 0 mph winds (ie. NO WIND).

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 15:08:14 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: FormerLurker (#31) (Edited)
You refuse to look at data from Newtown or Danbury, misrepresent and lie about data concerning Hartford, and are grasping at non-existant straws.

Get real. I am the first person to have posted an official weather report for Danbury -- not you -- and it was the one you rejected from NOAA .gov at Danbury Municipal Airport. So, I posted another offical weather station report for the nearby area -- friendlyforecast.com in Bridgeport -- and I have only posted those two official sources. It is you who have confused even yourself by injecting other than an official source and farther away; backtracking to cite Danbury in-general from a hodge-podge compiling of a commercial source when you refused to accept the official source from that very same area. Bye4now.
Edited next to last sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 15:20:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: FormerLurker (#33) (Edited)
Between 2PM and 11PM there was 0 mph winds (ie. NO WIND).

You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for what I already explained to you about loggings of Calm winds there not meaning no wind -- just less than 3 mph -- and how that would inaccurately translate as an average of no wind because of non-numerical/non-specific entries in those timeframes. Take a break. I have other work to do now.
Edited italics.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 15:29:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)
At 6PM (from the Hartford-Brainard Airport) the temperature was 40 degrees. The observation for 5:53 PM from the timeanddate site is reported as 36 degrees. Both sites report 34 degrees at 7PM and 6:53PM. So no, the temperature did not dip to below freezing at 6PM as you claim, which really doesn't matter, but indicates you are either making this up as you go or are seriously confused when it comes to looking up data.

P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM. Check it fast to verify because the data for Dec 15th is being phased off of the page now to move forward.
Edited to include first sentence, for highlighting, parenthesis, spelling and to correct the link.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 15:43:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: GreyLmist (#35) (Edited)
You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for what I already explained to you about loggings of Calm winds there not meaning no wind -- just less than 3 mph -- and how that would inaccurately translate as an average of no wind because of non-numerical/non-specific entries in those timeframes.

Like I said, you DON'T GIVE UP do you, even when proven wrong with factual data.
Here's some more data for you. In case you didn't know, Eastern Standard Time (EST) is 5 hours behind Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), and in 24 hour time, 3PM is 1500, 4PM is 1600. Thus, 3PM to 4PM EST would be 2000 to 2100 GMT in 24 hour time.
And oh yeah, 0 means ZERO.

From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) Edit: fixed link
Tabular Listing: December 15, 2012 - 0:00 through December 16, 2012 - 00:00 GMT
Time(GMT) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility

Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check

pressure

Pressure conditions

° F ° F ° F % mph

in in in in

miles

23:53 33.1 27.0 30.8 78 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 10.00

22:53 32.0 27.0 30.1 81 0

OK
29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

21:53 37.0 27.0 33.1 67 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

20:53 42.1 26.1 35.7 53 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

19:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

18:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

17:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 5 NE
OK
29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 10.00

16:53 42.1 26.1 35.8 53 5 NNE
OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 10.00

15:53 41.0 28.0 35.8 60 5 E
OK
29.82 30.32 30.32 25.30 clear 10.00

14:53 34.0 28.9 32.0 82 0

OK
29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 7.00

13:53 28.0 25.0 27.0 88 0

OK
29.81 30.32 30.31 25.29 fog 6.00

12:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

11:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.78 30.30 30.28 25.27 clear 8.00

10:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.78 30.29 30.28 25.27 clear 8.00

9:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 9.00

8:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 9.00

7:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 7.00

6:53 26.1 21.9 24.7 84 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

5:53 25.0 21.9 24.0 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 10.00

4:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

3:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00

2:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

1:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW
OK
29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00

0:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

23:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0

OK
29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00

At 19:53 GMT (2:53 PM EST) there was ZERO wind, and at 20:53 GMT (3:53 PM EST) there was ALSO ZERO wind. Do you get it yet?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 15:52:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: GreyLmist (#36)
P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM.

Are you high, blind, or just lying to see if you can get away with it?
From Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford
Dec 15
5:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind - 62% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:04:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Pinguinte (#37)
Neil, I've tried various ways to fix this table, but no matter what I do in preview, once posted it'll delete the last < / table> tag and break the output.
Any ideas?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:12:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: All (#39)
It looks like once subsequent text passed the last row of the table, everythings back to normal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:12:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: GreyLmist (#36) (Edited)
P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM. Check it fast to verify because the data for Dec 15th is being phased off of the page now to move forward.

While I'm at it, here's the tabular data from the timeanddate.com page for Hartford CT on December 15th 2012 before it falls off the historical time window;
Edit: Had another browser window with more complete data, so I updated the table.
Dec 15
2:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 44 °F No wind 47% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi
3:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 42 °F 3 mph 49% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi
4:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 40 °F No wind 51% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi
5:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind 62% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi
6:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 34 °F No wind 67% 30.27 "Hg 10 mi
7:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 31 °F 3 mph 79% 30.29 "Hg 10 mi
8:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 32 °F No wind 79% 30.29 "Hg 8 mi
9:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind 64% 30.29 "Hg 10 mi
10:53 PM Passing clouds. Chilly. 36 °F 3 mph 62% 30.29 "Hg 10 mi
11:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 35 °F 3 mph 67% 30.28 "Hg 10 mi
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:54:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Pinguinite (#39)
Post 39 was meant for you, I misspelled your handle in the To: field. Something about post 37 is messed up. Tried using a closing table tag, and it looks ok in preview, but once you hit the post button the last closing table tag is deleted, causing the post to get all messed up.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 17:29:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: FormerLurker (#41)
While I'm at it, here's the tabular data from the timeanddate.com page for Hartford CT on December 15th 2012 before it falls off the historical time window;

Quit giving me weather reports for Hartford. Dec 15th doesn't even appear at that one anymore.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 3:58:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: FormerLurker (#38) (Edited)
Like I said, you DON'T GIVE UP do you, even when proven wrong with factual data.
Here's some more data for you. In case you didn't know, Eastern Standard Time (EST) is 5 hours behind Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), and in 24 hour time, 3PM is 1500, 4PM is 1600. Thus, 3PM to 4PM EST would be 2000 to 2100 GMT in 24 hour time.
And oh yeah, 0 means ZERO.
From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) Edit: fixed link
Tabular Listing: December 15, 2012 - 0:00 through December 16, 2012 - 00:00 GMT

You haven't proven anything wrong. Let's recap what's going on here circularly with you.
The discussion of weather reports started at Post #10, where I gave you this official NOAA .gov stamped link with the ID of KDXR in the path for Danbury Municipal Airport: http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KDXR.html
Even though it is not necessary to do any Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) conversions there because the timeframes are posted more simply in Eastern Standard Time (EST), KDXR/Danbury Municipal Airport wasn't a suitable enough location for you then -- or at least not from the NOAA .gov source -- and you promptly detoured the matter at Post #13 to farther away Hartford; prefering instead to discuss the weather conditions there for comparison via your timeanddate.com link. At Post #16, I tried to bring the focus back closer to the Newtown area from an official weather station near there but one having a different location than KDXR/Danbury Municipal Airport, which you had found objectionable at that time. I picked: Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial, CT at the friendlyforecast.com site. Whereupon, at Post #18, you preferred to reference the Danbury area more generally from an unofficial, patchworked commercial-source: the terrorist sounding Weather Underground site.
At Post #22, I listed the official weather station reports from friendlyforecast.com for the week of Dec 14th through Dec 20th and your two unofficial links, as well, for comparison. Then, after the above noted deflections from you, (this is the funny part) at Post #25 you accuse me of misdirecting people to the coast and tossing out red herrings there instead of using this friendlyforecast.com link (as my official weather station substitute-site for NOAA), which happens to be from...Danbury Municipal Airport and is the very same location I had posted in the first place that you replaced with Hartford. lol Now that you finally seem to be ok with the Danbury Municipal Airport location and that friendlyforecast website as an official reference, that'll be fine by me and, for ease of access, I'll even post links here for the week of Dec 14th through Dec 20th.
At Post #26, you proceeded to give me more weather reports for farther away Hartford and stuff and now here we are at another funny part -- your info at Post #37 for ID:...KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport), which is the very same KDXR ID I gave you with the official NOAA .gov link. lol I can only guess that maybe you just don't like NOAA .gov for some reason -- even though the format there does (afaik) numerically log precise speeds below 3 mph rather than using the less-specific, text-word "Calm" for those ranges -- but it has become unusable now anyway for the timeframes in question.
I don't know how you circuitously got to that far removed, MesoWest / University of Utah locale for the Dec 15th tabulation there of KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) in Connecticut or why (since you already knew that the friendlyforecast site is the more direct and user-friendly path for Danbury Municipal Airport info) but it is unnecessarily overcomplicated with the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) format rather than the Eastern Standard Time (EST) format used for Danbury Municipal Airport readings at the friendlyforecast site. I'm supposing that you selected it because it numerically shows wind speeds of 0 mph rather than the text-format of "Calm" for speeds below 3 mph. Perhaps you've decided that every other weather site posted, even by you, is unreliable if it states "Calm" instead of 0. (Ex: your Weather Underground site at the bottom of the page) | Edited to correct this section by extracting what I had mistakenly said about the number of zeros listed at the MesoWest/Utah site so as to minimize confusion here about it.
Edited to correct errors in this section by rewording and highlighting: My impression of your weather source out West is that they only log whole number estimations of wind speeds and maybe don't log wind speeds there below ~~strike5out~~ 3 mph. Am not sure but think that the zero readings are probably numerical-shorthand for the word "Calm" (meaning below a mph point, which doesn't necessarily equate to 0 exactly) and may not really be an accurate reflection of no wind at all, imo. Due to the MesoWest/Utah problems of GMT complexity and non-proximity to Connecticut, I suggest we use the official friendlyforecast data for Danbury Municipal Airport in any other discussions of the weather conditions for the Newtown, CT area:
Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT [scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page to reference]
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 16 2012
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 17 2012
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 18 2012
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 19 2012
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 20 2012
Edited for various readability issues and Post #25 link correction.
Two additional error-edits noted with major restructuring at ending paragraphs 6 and 7.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 8:46:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: FormerLurker (#41)
Edit: Had another browser window with more complete data, so I updated the table.
Dec 15
2:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 44 °F No wind 47% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi
3:53 PM Sunny. Quite cool. 42 °F 3 mph 49% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi
4:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 40 °F No wind 51% 30.25 "Hg 10 mi

Does this mean you're willing to agree that those temps in the 40s are not quite comforable but quite cool and chilly?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 9:25:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: GreyLmist (#43)
Quit giving me weather reports for Hartford. Dec 15th doesn't even appear at that one anymore.

You're the one who keeps trying to say that Hartford had high winds, and that it dropped to freezing in the day. Stop spewing bullshit and perhaps I wont have to keep correcting you.
However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds.
I proved you were full of it on that comment. You also loved to post weather for the Connecticut coast, which has nothing to do with the weather in Newtown.
As far as Newtown, it was 44-42 degrees at the time of the news conference with no wind. Do you acknowledge that to be true or not?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 13:24:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: GreyLmist (#45)
Does this mean you're willing to agree that those temps in the 40s are not quite comforable but quite cool and chilly?

Warm enough to be comfortable with a light jacket. Do you agree that no wind would result in no wind blown hair?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 13:25:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: GreyLmist (#44)
University of Utah locale for the Dec 15th tabulation there of KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) in Connecticut or why (since you already knew that the friendlyforecast site is the more direct and user-friendly path for Danbury Municipal Airport info) but it is unnecessarily overcomplicated with the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) format rather than the Eastern Standard Time (EST)

Hey genius, that is the official weather data for the Danbury Municipal Airport, which you love to toss around yet you can't seem to understand it.
0 mph means exactly that. AND, GMT is the official time for weather data. If it's too tough for you to understand, stop posting about things that are beyond your understanding.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 13:28:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: GreyLmist (#44) (Edited)
your info at Post #37 for ID:...KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport), which is the very same KDXR ID I gave you with the official NOAA .gov link.

What don't you comprehend about the fact the NOAA site only goes back several days, and doesn't show the weather for the 15th anymore?
Are you saying that the official data isn't correct, that really it was below freezing with high winds, just because YOU say so?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 13:31:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Neil, I've tried various ways to fix this table, but no matter what I do in preview, once posted it'll delete the last < / table> tag and break the output.

A quick look seems to show it is a rather complex table. The program code that does the work with this is 3rd party. The idea is to ensure that all the HTML coding is properly done so no unclosed HTML tagging bleeds past the end of the document and screws up the rest of the text on the web page. It does that by first tearing the HTML text apart, preserving the HTML codes along side each piece of text, and then reassembling it. So if it's missing the / table tag, then I can only guess things were a bit too complex for that module to handle. A bug.
I know that's not a helpful answer. I'll have to play with it to be sure before seeing about a possible fix. I don't expect my working with that 3rd party software would be very productive though, but maybe there is an update.

Pinguinite posted on 2012-12-23 13:50:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Pinguinite (#50)
So if it's missing the / table tag, then I can only guess things were a bit too complex for that module to handle. A bug.

I also noticed the original code contains a < clear="all"> at the end, but it get's converted to < c***r="all"> on a preview.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 13:56:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: wudidiz (#0) (Edited)
Some public officers have very poor media relations skills, and Dr. H. Wayne Carver is among those.
Because of the very nature of the duties of the Office of Medical Examiner (or coroner, a common law elected position that has been replaced in many jurisdictions) most do not employ press relations people. The duties also seem to attract ghoulish doctors, some of who would likely fail in private practice. (Viewing the video speaks for itself.)
Do any of you kiddies remember what a weirdo "The Coroner To The Stars", Dr. Thomas Noguchi was?
He finally went too far and was fired when he speculated about the death of Natalie Wood, weaving a press conference scenario of how she may have fallen from a boat with no way of knowing if his account resembled the facts.
Carver's attempts at levity (it was a spree killing at a school you goddam weirdo) was not only in extremely poor taste but it also demonstrates just how socially deprived/disordered he is. (Here's a hint, Doctor. When no one returns your smiles get serious and remember that it isn't about you, you inept and disgusting tub of shit)
Also, his layer of blubber and possible use of narcotics (used by many doctors and health care professionals with access to them) may reduce his sensitivity to cold. When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-23 15:48:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.

No wind chill that day. There was no wind after 2 in the afternoon, and the temperature was 44 to 42 degrees.
That's a balmy winter day for New Englanders, light coats or a doctor's smock over a t-shirt would be sufficient.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 16:11:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52) (Edited)
his layer of blubber and possible use of narcotics (used by many doctors and health care professionals with access to them) may reduce his sensitivity to cold. When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.

Noted, although he's much less critical, imo, concerning investigations of observed weather-effect anomalies than are more pertinent examples of others and the landscape on Dec 14th. There were no calm winds reported for Newton from 9:00 a.m. until 6 p.m. on that date. Winds were between a low of 4 mph and a high of 11.5 mph the entire time for daylight-condtions re: allegedly filming outdoors and other factors in question like noticeable movements or not of things such as hair, breath-vapor, tree branches, leaves, etc.; people in thin shirts -- especially children -- appearing not to be cold after supposedly being outside for quite a while; many parents and adults seemingly unconcerned about children without warmer clothing in-transit to and from the fire station and during interviews. From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.
Edited for clarifications, readability, etc.
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GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 19:03:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)
Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras.
Uh huh.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 20:50:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: GreyLmist, All (#54) (Edited)
There were no calm winds reported for Newton from 9:00 a.m. until 6 p.m. on that date. Winds were between a low of 4 mph and a high of 11.5 mph the entire time for daylight-condtions re: allegedly filming outdoors and other factors in question like noticeable movements or not of things such as hair, tree branches, leaves, breath-vapor, etc.; people in thin shirts -- especially children -- appearing not to be cold after supposedly being outside for quite a while; many parents and adults seemingly unconcerned about children without warmer clothing in-transit to and from the fire station and during interviews. From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.

Please try to post more relevant info if you're going to give a weather report.
First off, the children did not begin to leave the school till somewhere around 10 AM. At that time, the temperature was 38 degrees with a 7 mph wind. The temperature then climbed steadily up to 48 degrees through 3 PM. The winds ranged from 5 to 12 mph during that timeframe.
From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR
Tabular Listing: December 14, 2012 - 0:00 through December 15, 2012 - 00:00 EST
Time(EST) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility

Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check

pressure

Pressure conditions

° F ° F ° F % mph

in in in in

miles

23:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

22:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00

21:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

20:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW
OK
29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00

19:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

18:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0

OK
29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00

17:53 33.1 24.1 29.8 69 0

OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

16:53 37.9 23.0 32.4 54 0

OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

15:53 46.0 19.9 36.3 35 5 WNW
OK
29.65 30.15 30.14 25.15 clear 10.00

14:53 48.0 21.0 37.6 34 6 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

13:53 46.0 23.0 37.0 40 10 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

12:53 45.0 24.1 36.8 43 12 WSW
OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

11:53 42.1 25.0 35.4 50 9 WSW
OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

10:53 39.9 25.0 34.2 55 10 WSW
OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

9:53 37.9 24.1 32.8 57 8 WSW
OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

8:53 34.0 25.0 30.7 69 7 WSW
OK
29.75 30.25 30.24 25.24 clear 8.00

7:53 21.9 18.0 20.8 84 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.24 25.24 fog 5.00

6:53 21.0 19.0 20.4 92 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 7.00

5:53 21.0 18.0 20.1 88 0

OK
29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 8.00

4:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 8.00

3:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 7.00

2:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.79 30.30 30.29 25.28 clear 8.00

1:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

0:53 24.1 21.0 23.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

23:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0

OK
29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 8.00

University of Utah MesoWest
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You can report weather at 11 PM and say that it was freezing, but so what? These events did not happen at 11 PM at night, so why even bother bringing it up?

As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples?
Concerning "seeing" the breaths of people outdoors, that usually doesn't happen unless the humidity is high and the difference between the dew point and actual temperature is 5 degrees or less. Throughout the timeframe of the evacuation and reuniting of the children and their parents, the difference was greater than that, so not seeing condensation is to be expected. In fact it'd be quite odd if there HAD been condensation at those temperatures on a sunny day.
As far as wind, there are signs of wind in various clips. You won't see the tree branches sway at those wind speeds however.
In terms of clothing, all of the images I've seen appear consistant with what people would wear in those conditions, with some children wearing heavy winter coats, while others wore sweatshirts or light jackets.
You again are gyrating around some dubious claims in an effort to conclude that this was all shot in a Hollywood studio. Get a grip of yourself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 21:44:32 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: FormerLurker (#55) (Edited)
Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras.
Uh huh.

What we can be relatively certain about is that officialdom typically tells us absurdities malevolently and you will act like the crab for them that pulls others back into the box if they try to think outside of it beyond the setting of your one-dimensional parameters. Secretive societies with a penchant for playing funeral games -- and idealogues, too, that tend to believe the ends justify the means and will lie or worse to get what they want -- probably aren't news to you so posturing as if there couldn't be any such thing involved in this is odd, especially considering that this is from your post at #58 of 4um Title: How 9-11 Was Done:

You will find NO "professional experience", since the man couldn't even fly a single engine plane. Apparently he was handed this "license" as part of the "Legend".
From Wiki

In larger networks the organization can be complex with many methods to avoid detection, including clandestine cell systems. Often the players have never met. [sic] sometimes a person with a well-prepared synthetic identity, called a Legend in tradecraft, may attempt to infiltrate a target organization.
See also: Russian Spy Ring Aimed to Make Children Agents - WSJ.com - with 3.5 min. audio
The spies' false identities, also called "legends," were good enough for them to get jobs and mortgages and start families in America,

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GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 22:07:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)
You're trying to equate the "legend" of Hani Hanjour's flying experience with the existance of an entire town of people, many who know each other personally, who are neighbors with the people whose lives were affected by this massacre.
You are claiming that these people who have had their children killed, along with the families of the teachers and principal, are all fake.
You are trying to claim that everyone, including the children, are all actors. Do you not realize how insane you sound?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 22:13:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: FormerLurker (#56) (Edited)
I posted a summary of the weather for the day at Newtown, CT from the nearby Danbury Municipal Airport (not somewhere out West, like your college-reference) with a link to verify. That you post something conflicting doesn't make mine wrong. I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly-covert Utah. Regardless, take a hike and find somebody else to talk to.
Edited sentence 1.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 22:34:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: GreyLmist (#59)
I posted a summary of the weather for the day from Danbury Municipal Airport. That you post something conflicting doesn't make mine wrong. I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly- covert Utah.

Are you retarded? Did you even look at the source of the MesoWest data? It's from the National Weather Service you fool.
The weather I posted is THE OFFICIAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DATA FROM DANBURY MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. Do you UNDERSTAND?
That you can't read tabular data just indicates you aren't very bright. You didn't exactly post conflicting data, you just tossed out a lot of red herrings that had nothing to do with the weather around the time of the evacuation of the school.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 22:40:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: GreyLmist (#59)
You can report weather at 11 PM and say that it was freezing, but so what? These events did not happen at 11 PM at night, so why even bother bringing it up?

As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 22:42:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: FormerLurker (#53)
When I take opiates or synthetic equivalents I'm less susceptible to wind chill.
No wind chill that day. There was no wind after 2 in the afternoon, and the temperature was 44 to 42 degrees.
That's a balmy winter day for New Englanders, light coats or a doctor's smock over a t-shirt would be sufficient.

Well, that's a bit cool for me, and I did notice that the doctor was wearing a long lab coat and that he kept his hands in his pockets while keeping his arms tight to his body. In short, he was posing as expected of a doctor in 40°-ish weather who wanted to be recorded in a clean white lab blouse instead of something more appropriate, i.e., his classic grey tweed LONDON FOG overcoat.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-23 22:44:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#59)
I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility

I sort of suspect you work for the folks at Fort Meade, that or Tel Aviv. You toss out these "it was all done in Hollywood" tales on sensitive topics, such as 9/11 and now the Sandy Hook shootings, to make anyone who questions the official tale look like an idiot or worse.
There ARE some serious questions that need to be asked about this case. However, insisting that it was all done in a studio, that there were no children killed that morning, and that all of the town is fake, the people are all actors, well, that's something somebody would post if they are ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING in the COVER UP itself of what REALLY happened that morning.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 22:47:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#62)
I did notice that the doctor was wearing a long lab coat and that he kept his hands in his pockets while keeping his arms tight to his body. In short, he was posing as expected of a doctor in 40°-ish weather who wanted to be recorded in a clean white lab blouse instead of something more appropriate

Also, remember that the temps dip to the 20's at night, so on a sunny day with no wind, and the temps around the mid-forties, a typical New Englander would find that to be pretty mild.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 22:49:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker (#59)
I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility in Mormonly- covert Utah. Regardless, take a hike and find somebody else to talk to.

Congratulations Former Lurker, you got the nut to crack.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-12-23 22:52:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: RickyJ (#65)
I think the nut cracked well before this evening... LOL
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-23 22:56:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#63) (Edited)
I sort of suspect you work for the folks at Fort Meade, that or Tel Aviv.

I've lost track of how many times I've heard that type of thing from you and Ricky. I guess that means you're both way more "cracked" than me, as you said.

You toss out these "it was all done in Hollywood" tales on sensitive topics, such as 9/11 and now the Sandy Hook shootings, to make anyone who questions the official tale look like an idiot or worse.

You don't look like an idiot because I question things of official presentations, FL. More like because you don't question their presentations enough and instead would rather mangle and twist most anything I and other questioners say or post info about on such subjects and then fabricate it into an unrecognizable mess.
Edited sentence 1 at section 1 and sentence 2 at section 2.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 23:44:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: FormerLurker (#61)
As far as your claims of "thin shirts" and all that, can you post an image of any examples?

Many but none to you.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-23 23:55:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: FormerLurker (#64)
Also, remember that the temps dip to the 20's at night, so on a sunny day with no wind, and the temps around the mid-forties, a typical New Englander would find that to be pretty mild.

Especially a man as fat as that medical examiner was. All that fat insulates him pretty good.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-12-23 23:59:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: FormerLurker (#64)
Also, remember that the temps dip to the 20's at night, so on a sunny day with no wind, and the temps around the mid-forties, a typical New Englander would find that to be pretty mild.

Right.
Plus, he may have been basking in the (imaginary) warmth of the (adoring) media.
He certainly managed to charm himself by attempting to speak plainly which ordinarily I would applaud. But he was just plain smarmy and clearly taken with himself. He didn't seen to know that, while his office warranted the media attention his poor presentation clearly did not.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 0:06:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: GreyLmist (#67)
Edited sentence 1 at section 1 and sentence 2 at section 2.

If you could only edit your thoughts and see the facts rather than your delusions, you'd be better off.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 0:24:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist (#68)
Many but none to you.

If there's many, then you should be able to find at least one or two images that you could post here, right?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 0:24:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach (#63)
I sort of suspect your MesoWest site and maybe you too are linked to the NSA facility
I sort of suspect you work for the folks at Fort Meade, that or Tel Aviv...

Oh good grief.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 0:25:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
Oh good grief is right. But you know what they say, speak in haste, repent at leisure.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-12-24 0:27:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: RickyJ, HOUNDDAWG (#69)
Especially a man as fat as that medical examiner was. All that fat insulates him pretty good.

Just going to the market I see people in t-shirts and shorts when the temperatures are in the mid forties or above. Myself I think that's pushing it, I at least wear an outer shirt or a thin jacket, with jeans, till the temperatures are in the mid 50's or so..
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 0:29:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: HOUNDDAWG (#73)
Oh good grief.

It's a Charlie Brown Christmas... LOL
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 0:31:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#73)
I'll withdraw the statement about FL since I've decided that the NSA would probably laugh at the thought.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 0:33:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#76)
Oh good grief.
It's a Charlie Brown Christmas... LOL

Picture Schroeder with his head down on the piano....

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 0:34:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: GreyLmist (#77)
I'll withdraw the statement about FL since I've decided that the NSA would probably laugh at the thought.

Oh thanks, for a while there I thought my cover was blown. Now I can go to sleep without worrying over it...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 0:36:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach (#77) (Edited)
I'll withdraw the statement about FL since I've decided that the NSA would probably laugh at the thought.

I was hoping to witness the burying of the manually activated debranching tool last night, as the spirit of mutual respect was rising from the ashes.....
4um is my home because I feel a lot of love from the good folks here. Feelings that are non aligned confuse and confound me.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 0:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Oh thanks, for a while there I thought my cover was blown. Now I can go to sleep without worrying over it...

Hibernate all winter if you want. I'm sure it would be a cold day in some dimension usually described as very hot before you or Ricky ever withdraw yours so I won't wait for it.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 0:44:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: HOUNDDAWG (#78)
Picture Schroeder with his head down on the piano....

Hmmm.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 0:45:47 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: James Deffenbach, X-15, christine, Jethro Tull, titorite, FormerLurker, Esso, GreyLmist (#74)
Oh good grief is right. But you know what they say, speak in haste, repent at leisure.

Eactly.
I sense defensive and hastily posted replies that are needless. No one's stock will ever drop in my eyes because he or she failed to parry and thrust before the Sun rises....

In fact at Liberty Forum NewsReader once savaged me in a lengthy post that he hoped would warrant an immediate and detailed counterattack.
"That's mee", I replied. Everyone laffed and all was well.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 0:54:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: HOUNDDAWG (#83) (Edited)
I may be one of the worst ones to give anyone any advice but when I find that I just can't get along with someone at all and know that no matter what I say they are never going to change their mind I will usually add them to the kill file. Or as some call it the bozo filter. Not in every case but in most cases. Especially with people who are disrespectful and who seem to be ineducable.
edit: Just to be sure everyone understands what I am saying here, I am not calling either poster engaged in this contretemps ineducable. Only that some people seem to be and that could just be personality conflicts, I don't know. I just know life is too short for such things.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-12-24 1:02:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: HOUNDDAWG (#80)
I was hoping to witness the burying of the manually activated debranching tool last night, as the spirit of mutual respect was rising from the ashes.....
4um is my home because I feel a lot of love from the good folks here. Feelings that are non aligned confuse and confound me.

I'll say a little prayer for you on that...
Crabb Family Please Forgive Me (lyrics onscreen)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 1:04:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: HOUNDDAWG, GreyLmist, christine, Jethro Tull, Lod, James Deffenbach (#80)
I was hoping to witness the burying of the manually activated debranching tool last night, as the spirit of mutual respect was rising from the ashes.....
4um is my home because I feel a lot of love from the good folks here. Feelings that are non aligned confuse and confound me.

Well here's a little Christmas cheer for everyone...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 1:19:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: FormerLurker, Shoonra (#86) (Edited)
Well here's a little Christmas cheer for everyone...

Cheers to all y'all. You too, Shoonra.
Edited for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 1:28:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: James Deffenbach (#84)
I may be one of the worst ones to give anyone any advice but when I find that I just can't get along with someone at all and know that no matter what I say they are never going to change their mind I will usually add them to the kill file. Or as some call it the bozo filter. Not in every case but in most cases. Especially with people who are disrespectful and who seem to be ineducable.
edit: Just to be sure everyone understands what I am saying here, I am not calling either poster engaged in this contretemps ineducable. Only that some people seem to be and that could just be personality conflicts, I don't know. I just know life is too short for such things.

*bozo filter*
No my friend, it needed to be said and in fact the idea crossed my mind not 20 minutes ago.
And like you I concluded that the circs do not warrant such a drastic remedy, nor would I relish losing two interesting and passionate posters from my circle of trust.
My concern is that this place could steadily degenerate into Goldi Land II. And then I'd no longer have a home, a sanctuary where friends share my happiness, my heartaches, my tears and fears, and then I'd be a lost old man adrift in a virtual sea, trying to avoid the net that is cast so wide that only the CIA could be the primary beneficiary.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 1:28:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: GreyLmist (#85)
Thank you my friend.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 1:30:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: FormerLurker (#86)
Thank you my friend.

HOUNDDAWG posted on 2012-12-24 1:31:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: GreyLmist, Shoonra (#87)
Cheers to all y'all. You too, Shoornra.

Shoonra might enjoy this one more. I'm not sure if these guys are elves, but they're dancing...

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 1:40:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: HOUNDDAWG (#90)
You're very welcome Dawg, glad you enjoyed it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 1:41:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: HOUNDDAWG (#88)
And like you I concluded that the circs do not warrant such a drastic remedy, nor would I relish losing two interesting and passionate posters from my circle of trust.

Neither would I. I don't think of either of them as bozo material, was just thinking that if they couldn't get along then it might be something they would want to consider. Or not. I assume they both know it is available so I really don't need to say any more about it.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-12-24 1:47:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: James Deffenbach (#93)
Wow James, you're talking about me as if I can't read your post. Gee whiz dude.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 1:49:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: FormerLurker (#94)
No, I know you can. And I never insulted you, did I? If I did it wasn't intentional. I said that I didn't see either of you as bozo material, only that you guys might consider putting the other one on bozo if you just can't get along. Having said that it is really none of my business what you decide to do in that regard. Merry Christmas.
"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2012-12-24 1:52:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: James Deffenbach (#95)
You're taking this way too seriously. You need to watch the elves dance I think.
Anyways, Merry Christmas to you too.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 1:54:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker (#57)
FL: Yep, the entire town of Newtown is filled with actors, people who don't have a real life, and are just there to act for the cameras.
Uh huh.
GlM: What we can be relatively certain about is that officialdom typically tells us absurdities malevolently and you will act like the crab for them that pulls others back into the box if they try to think outside of it beyond the setting of your one-dimensional parameters.

Well said and evidently true.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-24 2:25:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: HOUNDDAWG (#52)
Dr. H. Wayne Carver

Seems to me like he's acting. If he is he's definitely not the only one. Can you see that, Dawg? Did you see the "Sandy Hook Actors" youtube vid?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-24 2:29:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker (#67)
You don't look like an idiot because I question things of official presentations, FL. More like because you don't question their presentations enough and instead would rather mangle and twist most anything I and other questioners say or post info about on such subjects and then fabricate it into an unrecognizable mess.

Exactly.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-24 2:31:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: wudidiz (#99) (Edited)
Here you go wud, you TOO can attract your very own elves!
It's directions on how to do it from a guy on YouTube, so you know it HAS to be true.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-24 2:50:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: HOUNDDAWG (#89) (Edited)
Thank you my friend.

Thanks for being one. Liked that circle of trust vid -- except the part that said, "No buddies".
Edited for spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 3:13:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: James Deffenbach (#93)
I assume they both know it is available

I do but try to forget about it.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 3:19:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: wudidiz (#98)
Seems to me like he's acting. If he is he's definitely not the only one. Can you see that, Dawg? Did you see the "Sandy Hook Actors" youtube vid?

Is it time to get back to work already? Well, then:

Linda Lavin (Alice) pic at mysticgames.com/famouspeople
ALICE Original Season 2 Opening Theme 1977-78 LINDA LAVIN - YouTube
[My note] Announcement at the 1 minute mark says: Season 2 to be released by Warner Archive before the end of 2012!

Sandy Hook Mass Media Psyop: Outtakes and Bloopers

Am not claiming that the first woman interviewed in the Outtakes and Bloopers video is definitely Linda Lavin. Just sayin' they look and sound very much alike, imo. If anyone else besides me thinks so too, would be good to hear that I'm not the only one.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-24 4:10:35 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: HOUNDDAWG (#83)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2012-12-24 10:26:38 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: wudidiz, Itistoolate, All (#59)
Mormonly-covert Utah.

Am only referencing that quote above by me to note for the record that alleged Sandy Hook school-shooting victim, Emilie Parker, is reportedly a native of Utah. Found that info by further researching a video posted by Itistoolate.

Websearch reference: Emilie Parker Fund | Facebook
www.facebook.com/EmilieParkerFund
Native of Utah, Emilie Parker was killed in the shooting at Sandy Hook Elem. We are seeking to assist the Parkers by setting up the Emilie Parker Memorial Fund

4um video reference (YouTube Title: Robbie Parker Fake Actor Sandy Hook Shooting) at Post #29 of thread: Cabal Having Difficulty Telling a Consistent Sandy Hook Story

Starting at 1:32, Robbie Parker (alleged father of reported victim, Emilie Parker) mentions "two really good friends at home" who set up a Facebook page to help raise money for Emilie. Evidently, (Ogden) Utah is what he meant when he said: "at home"

Excerpts from Standard-Examiner (Ogden, Utah) at standard.net: Emilie Parker will be buried in Ogden

By Contributed
The Associated Press
Sun, 12/16/2012 - 5:02pm

On Saturday, Robbie Parker was one of the first parents to speak publicly about their loss. He told the world about a little girl who loved to draw and was always smiling, and he also reserved surprising words of sympathy for the gunman's family.
"She was beautiful. She was blond. She was always smiling," he said.
To the man's family, he said, "I can't imagine how hard this experience must be for you."

Excerpts from abc4.com: Ogden girl killed in Connecticut school massacre

Updated: 12/14 10:17 pm | Published: 12/14 9:38 pm
Reported by: Cristina Rendon

OGDEN, Utah (ABC4 News) – Love and prayers are pouring in for Emilie Parker, an Ogden native who was killed in the Newtown, CT school massacre.
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Brad Schultz, a close family friend, said the Parker family moved to Connecticut last year. Emilie’s father is a physician’s assistant and found work in the Newtown area.
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This is the second tragedy for the Parker family. Emilie’s grandfather, Douglas Cottle, died from injuries sustained in a bike crash at the LOTOJA race held in September 2012.
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“They’re going through a really difficult time so that’s why my friend Alan Prothero and I thought it would be a great idea to put together this fund,” he [Schultz] said.
The fund is called the Emilie Parker Fund on Facebook.
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Schultz said Emilie will be brought back to Utah and laid to rest in Ogden.
If you would like to donate to the family, an account has been set up at America First Credit Union under “Emilie Parker Memorial Account.” The account number is 9056862.

Excerpts from deseretnews.com: Emilie Parker family plans memorial, fund for fellow victims

By Emiley Morgan, Deseret News
Published: Wednesday, Dec. 19 2012 6:23 a.m. MST

The girl's family also announced the Emilie Parker Fund Tuesday, the proceeds of which "will go to help all of the Sandy Hook Elementary families affected in whatever ways each family deems necessary," according to a statement.
Numerous fundraisers already are under way for the young girl's family, who relocated to Connecticut from Ogden within in the past year, including a Facebook page with information about numerous community fundraisers, an account set up in the girl's name and other ways to donate.
The Emilie Parker Fund will benefit all victims of the shooting.
"The victims will live forever in our hearts, and we hope to create a memorial — an enduring legacy — for them in Newtown, as well as help rebuild and heal the shattered lives of all affected," the family said in the statement.
Meantime, members of the Ogden community and throughout the state have joined together to help the family in various ways.
Blair Christensen, Karlee Dutson and Kami Smith, founders of the online pop-up market website Brickyard Buffalo, heard of the tragedy in Connecticut and, learning that Emilie was from Ogden, wanted to do something help the Parker family.
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Brickyard Buffalo also is working with other vendors and local designers and plans to feature more products on the website soon, Christensen said, with the proceeds going directly to the victims' families.
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"It's neat to see the community come together," she said. [sic]
Members of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints congregations who knew the Parkers gathered Monday to tie pink ribbons throughout the neighborhood.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-27 20:40:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: wudidiz, All (#103) (Edited)

Linda Lavin (Alice) pic at mysticgames.com/famouspeople
ALICE Original Season 2 Opening Theme 1977-78 LINDA LAVIN - YouTube
[My note] Announcement at the 1 minute mark says: Season 2 to be released by Warner Archive before the end of 2012!
Sandy Hook Mass Media Psyop: Outtakes and Bloopers
Am not claiming that the first woman interviewed in the Outtakes and Bloopers video is definitely Linda Lavin. Just sayin' they look and sound very much alike, imo. If anyone else besides me thinks so too, would be good to hear that I'm not the only one.

Cross-referencing possibly related threads:

4um Title: The Newest Reality TV HIT Show: Sandy Hook
4um Title: Crisis Actors | URL Source: http://crisisactors.org/

Linked [Edit to note: currently] on the right-sidebar of the Crisis Actors website at crisisactors.org [Edit to add: under the Crisis Acting News header about 2/3 of the way down the page]:

ALiCE training offers active shooter prep for schools - Bellefontaine Examiner [Excerpts]
Created on Monday, 17 December 2012 Written by Mandy Loehr
Following Friday’s horrific school shooting that claimed many lives in Connecticut, area school officials are focusing on ways to combat such an intruder situation that they hope they never have to encounter.
An active shooter training program offered through the Hardin County Sheriff’s Office called ALiCE — an acronym for Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evade — has been offered starting this school year for staff members at Bellefontaine City Schools and Riverside Schools.
Sgt. Scott Holbrook of the Hardin County Sheriff’s Office has assisted with the training offered at these Logan County schools following the implementation of the program at several Hardin County schools during the past several years.
“AliCE training is just a part of my responsibilities at the sheriff’s office, but I am reminded once again how truly important it is,” the sergeant said in an e-mail.

Although there are Logan and Hardin counties in several States, this article is in reference to Ohio; the Logan County seat there being Bellefontaine. Riverside is a city in Montgomery County, Ohio, and is a part of the Dayton Metropolitan statistical area.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 7:21:23 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: All (#105)
Mormonly-covert Utah.

Am only referencing that quote above by me to note for the record that alleged Sandy Hook school-shooting victim, Emilie Parker, is reportedly a native of Utah.

Am referencing the comment again to note a pic at Salt Lake City, Utah's Deseret News source in an article about the alleged Newtown, Connecticut school shooting:

Parents only slightly more afraid for children's safety at school | Compiled by Lois M. Collins, Deseret News | Published: Friday, Dec. 28 2012 7:00 p.m. MST

That is the only source where I've seen the above mentioned photo (captioned there: A mother hugs her daughter following a shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. Associated Press):

Cross-referencing 4um Title: Jonathan Lee Riches Impersonates Adam Lanza's Uncle, 'Jonathan Lanza,' Gets Arrested | URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Interview of Marsha Lanza (allegedly of Crystal Lake, Illinois and alleged aunt of Adam Lanza) starts at 1:07 of the 2nd video in the line-up at the top of that huffingtonpost article-page.

This is a pic of Marsha Lanza:

Am posting the two photos for comparison because there seems, imo, to be somewhat of a resemblance between the alleged aunt of Adam Lanza and the alleged mother of a Sandy Hook Elementary student reported at Deseret News -- enough (with some make-up, hair-extensions, and possibly airbrushing/photoshopping) that I wouldn't rule out yet that they could be very closely related or a Mormonly-covert actress, perhaps, playing both roles.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 9:16:22 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: GreyLmist (#36)
I saw the crisis actors at Sandy Hook it convinced me that it was a fraud. But here is an interesting fact that no one has ever mentioned. Gun control advocate Josh Sugarman is from Newtown Connecticut. Sugarman is the head of the top gun control organization in America. Oh guns are so scary. I know something about the zionist sugar interests in the Americas. So I always wondered why a zionist named Sugarman would be a leading advocate of gun control. The sugar people committed so many horrors, they would be the last ones you would ever want to surrender your guns to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Sugarmann

Donald Wallgren posted on 2014-07-01 13:46:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: Donald Wallgren (#108)
what do you mean that you saw the crisis actors at Sandy Hook? are you saying you were there?
To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.
christine posted on 2014-07-01 15:34:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: christine (#109)
Thank you for your reply. I was never there, I saw that character on youtube laughing and smiling until the cameras began to roll, and then he began to cry as if on cue. But I thought it was interesting that Josh Sugarmann, the head of the largest gun control organization in America, grew up in Newtown Connecticut. I've never heard that mentioned before. If I were a detective, Sugarmann would be a prime suspect, seeing as how his organization benefitted.

Donald Wallgren posted on 2014-07-01 22:06:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: Donald Wallgren, christine (#110)
BigZio®

Big Zio Sugar.
Should be a brand name down here.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2014-07-01 22:13:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: Donald Wallgren (#110)
I saw that "actor" on film too, Donald. I agree that that was very suspicious.
And the involvement of Sugarmann is very plausible too.
To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.
christine posted on 2014-07-01 23:51:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: Donald Wallgren, 4 (#110)
I've never heard that mentioned before. If I were a detective, Sugarmann would be a prime suspect, seeing as how his organization benefited.

Unfortunately to seek publicity for a non profit organization isn't a crime, although the Sugarmann connection is curious.
Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.
Jethro Tull posted on 2014-07-02 8:33:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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