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Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver
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Published: Dec 20, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-20 02:04:36 by wudidiz
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Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver
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#1. To: christine, titorite, scrapper2, Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, Artisan, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, HighLairEon, Esso, Parrot with speed dial, Lod, Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG, all (#0)

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-20 2:07:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: wudidiz (#1) (Edited)
This is making its rounds all over the net tonight on the various sites I frequent.
Personally I think he is dim witted enough to be legit.

/s

titorite posted on 2012-12-20 2:10:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: wudidiz (#0) (Edited)
He has the same extensive vocabulary as our "brainiac" ( cough, cough) Messiah...uh huh uh huh...
Someone please send a teleprompter as a Christmas gift to this Medical Examiner.

scrapper2 posted on 2012-12-20 2:12:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: wudidiz (#0)
Perfect!!! A medical examiner you couldn't trust to tell the truth if he knew it!!!
I can just see his fist pump after the interview as he exclaims "Nailed it!"
We are SOOO fucked.
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Hmmmmm posted on 2012-12-20 9:15:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Hmmmmm, titorite, scrapper2 (#4)
We are SOOO fucked.

It's okay. The world's supposed to end tomorrow anyway.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-20 9:53:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: wudidiz, All, , *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0) (Edited)
I've seen enough videos of people allegedly outdoors there but dressed in no jackets or very light jackets and with no windblown hair to convince me that what we've been seeing could be staged to some extent from an indoor set somewhere. It's like they seem oblivious to the fact that Connecticut is a northerly, New England state and it is nearly Winter; because they aren't really outside. Either that or maybe they're largely mass hypnotized and so don't shiver in the cold like people who aren't most likely would in that region at this time of year. Very doubtful, imo, that weather conditions there this week have actually been so remarkably extraordinary.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-20 12:57:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: wudidiz (#0)
Wow. The 3 Stooges could have given a more informative press conference.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 13:28:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: wudidiz (#0)
Anyone who knows coroners at all knows almost all of them are more than a little strange.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2012-12-20 13:38:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: GreyLmist (#6)
I've seen enough videos of people allegedly outdoors there but dressed in no jackets or very light jackets and with no windblown hair to convince me that what we've been seeing could be staged to some extent from an indoor set somewhere. It's like they seem oblivious to the fact that Connecticut is a northerly, New England state and it is nearly Winter; because they aren't really outside.

You are off your rocker GL. It's been relatively mild in the day in New England these past several days, so no, this isn't on a soundstage in Hollywood.
I guess to you, EVERYTHING you see in the form of video comes from Hollywood.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 13:45:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: FormerLurker (#9) (Edited)
You are off your rocker GL. It's been relatively mild in the day in New England these past several days, so no, this isn't on a soundstage in Hollywood.
I guess to you, EVERYTHING you see in the form of video comes from Hollywood.

Can you even make a substantive reply that doesn't resemble a mudpie? I guess to you, EVERYTHING you see as a fact of official presentations is real simply because you believe it to be so but the .gov weather report very near there from the 17th to today (Ref: Medical Examiner vid above posted the 18th) doesn't much jive with yours. The windchill factor has gone down to freezing with winds generally not listed as calm (below 3 mph). Where the chart states weather conditions as Fair, that doesn't equate to warm -- just not snow, sleet, hail, rain, fog...that sort of thing.
http://w1.weather.gov/obhistory/KDXR.html
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-20 14:54:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: wudidiz (#5)
It's okay. The world's supposed to end tomorrow anyway.

Oh, I hope so.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Esso posted on 2012-12-20 15:16:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: FormerLurker (#7)
The 3 Stooges could have given a more informative press conference.

The Marx Brothers would've been good in the role too.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Esso posted on 2012-12-20 15:18:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: GreyLmist (#10) (Edited)
EVERYTHING you see as a fact of official presentations is real simply because you believe it to be so but the .gov weather report very near there from the 17th to today (Ref: Medical Examiner vid above posted the 18th) doesn't much jive with yours. The windchill factor has gone down to freezing

Bullshit, you've just proven you make things up as you go. You're less credible than ANY news reporter.
I live in Northern New England, and it's been relatively mild these past few days, during the day at least.
Connecticut is in Southern New England, with Newtown being close to NYC.
On the day of the press conference, (December 15th if you bothered looking it up) the temperature was a balmy 44 degrees at noontime in Hartford.
It certainly wasn't freezing or close to it, and there was NOT any wind.
Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford
You jump to absurd conclusions without doing even the most basic research, and make announcements as if they were fact, where in reality they are just delusions in your mind.
In terms of the date, look at the date the press conference video was posted...

Here's the CNN link that reports the medical examiner's news conference;
[Updated at 3:55 p.m. ET] The state's chief medical examiner says he believes all of the victims were shot more than once.
The medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver II, speaking at a news conference in Newtown, said that all of the victims died of gunshot wounds, and the manner of death was homicide. The seven bodies he examined personally had three to 11 wounds each, he said.
“I believe everyone was hit more than once,” Carver said.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 15:22:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Esso (#12)
The Marx Brothers would've been good in the role too.

Yeah, but did they have the experience of Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-20 15:31:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: FormerLurker (#14) (Edited)
Yeah, but did they have the experience of Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, and Dr. Howard?

I think it was in "A Day at the Races" Groucho Marx was a veterinarian and human psychiatrist at a sanitarium. Seems like a perfect fit to me.
Then there's always me & Dakmar. That'd be a hoot.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

Esso posted on 2012-12-20 16:03:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: FormerLurker, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#13) (Edited)
What's your point? The video you referenced in your post is no longer available here and was not available yesterday for viewing at the CNN article link that you referenced either -- which oddly happens to be dated Dec. 15 but the date on the video there is Dec. 16. ??? I was able to view it by clicking on the Full Story link at the bottom of the page and it is not the same video referenced here [Edit to add: by wudidiz, which I commented on]. Afaik, your Medical Examiner video- reference is an interview that was from days earlier.
Hartford is about 50 miles from Newton -- nearly an hour away; much farther than the .gov weather report that I referenced for nearby Danbury. We can surmise that the videos in question were allegedly filmed before sunset (which was reportedly around 5:00 p.m.) because it is still daylight. These weather reports below from Newton (for a three day span which includes Dec 14 through Dec 16, when the video-ref. you posted was stamped at the CNN site) show that there were no calm winds recorded there on Dec 16 at any time frame and no calm winds from about 7:00 a.m. until after sunset on the 14th and 15th. Note, too, that there were freezing and near freezing temperatures recorded and calm winds does not mean no wind, just less than 3 mph. Temps in the 40s are not warm without a coat and windchill factor makes it seem colder than it is. (Scroll down; Observed at: Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial, CT):
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 16 2012
Edited to correct the first two weather report links and to include the bracket insert in paragraph 1.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-21 14:39:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: GreyLmist (#16) (Edited)
Per the link you posted the temperature for Little Danbury CT was 45 degrees F on December 15th at 3PM with a 5.8 MPH breeze.
Little Danbury CT is right on the coast, which typically has some type of breeze or wind on most days. Newtown CT on the other hand is further inland, almost as far from the coast as Hartford, but more to the southwest towards NYC.
So even IF the weather info you posted was relevant, the temperature was almost 50 degrees, far from freezing, and would be quite comfortable.
The coroner's news conference which took place in Newtown CT was reported at CNN on 3:55 PM December 15th, if you bothered looking it up.
To a New Englander, a temperature of 42 degrees with no wind on a sunny day would be comfortable with a light jacket.
You don't give up do you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-21 14:51:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: GreyLmist (#16)
According to the Weather Underground website, the wind speed for Newtown CT on the 15th of December 2012 was 0 mph at 3PM and the temperture was 44 degrees at that time.
www.wunderground.com/hist.../12/15/Da ilyHistory.html? req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-21 15:01:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: GreyLmist (#16)
In terms of date, here are a few links which report the coroner's press conference on Dec. 15, 2012;
Medical Examiner: Newtown Shooting Victims Suffered 'Devastating Set of Injuries'
Medical examiner: all Sandy Hook victims died of multiple gunshot wounds
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-21 15:13:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: wudidiz (#0)
The guy is under a lot of pressure. I think he knows without a doubt that boy didn't kill all those kids and is worried that if he says so he will be the next victim. He might figure they plan on possibly offing him anyway since they know he knows the truth. It would be interesting to see if his behaviour here is his normal behaviour at press conferences, if he has ever done one before. If it isn't, then I think he has been threatened about what he says to the public.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2012-12-21 15:32:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: GreyLmist (#6)
Yankees take northern temperatures easier.
Like wise they can not take southern summers.
My wife , shes from Monteral QC. So thats my experience with it.
_____________________________________________________________Never lose an opportunity of seeing anything beautiful. Welcome it in every face, in every sky, in every flower. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson ______________________________________________ I should read more of Emerson.
titorite posted on 2012-12-21 17:06:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: FormerLurker (#18) (Edited)
According to the Weather Underground website, the wind speed for Newtown CT on the 15th of December 2012 was 0 mph at 3PM and the temperture was 44 degrees at that time.
www.wunderground.com/hist.../12/15/Da ilyHistory.html? req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

The Weather Underground?!? Let me get this straight. I posted an official NOAA .gov weather report link for nearby Danbury spanning the timeframe which was relevant to the video referenced by wudidiz that I had commented on; but that wasn't good enough for you, someone who believes the official presentations are factual, so you instead:

1. gave me your own personal weather report and this link from timeanddate.com of conditions in Hartford that is farther away and
2. injected into the discussion a different video of the Medical Examiner being interviewed, which was likely from a different timeframe (i.e. not the same day as the video referenced by wudidiz; which shows a fence in the background and your reference doesn't), and then posted a link to CNN where your video example couldn't be viewed there (except by going through a Full Story routing link to a different article) but it does show a date-stamp conflict on the video box that's a day later than the article you posted -- which has no updated time-stamp to explain that discrepancy.

I addressed your video-sidetrack issues anyway, with linked weather reports from the nearby Danbury area going days further back to Dec 14 (the day of the reported shooting) showing that there were no calm winds recorded between 7:00 a.m. until after sunset for the timeframe of your posted video; but that still wasn't good enough for you. So, you have now:

1. given me very abbreviated linked-info for Danbury...from The Weather Undergound...which calls to mind the terrorists Bernadine Dohrn (who declared War on America) and her husband, Bill Ayers (who regrets that more wasn't done along the lines of the murderous bombings that their terrorist group inflicted).
2. You claimed a 3PM timeframe of 0 mph wind logged there in a graph for Dec 15 as relevant to the Medical Examiner interview that you had referenced tangentially and then provided two linked articles for me to search through that say nothing at all about 3PM or any other specific time for that interview.
3. You state that the interview you referenced tangentially took place at 3:55 PM December 15th, as if it was my job to research and pinpoint that hour for your reference when it has nothing to do with the video from wudidiz that I commented on; with reference to other questionable examples than just the Medical Examiner on that particular day (or not) regarding wind and temperature; especially re: the 14th -- the day of said shooting.
4. You also state: "even IF the weather info you posted was relevant, the temperature was almost 50 degrees, far from freezing, and would be quite comfortable."
However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds. That info is relevant to your posted video somewhat in consideration of distance (from Hartford to Treadwell Park, Newton -- about 1 mile from the school; which is cited at your news.yahoo.com link as the location of the Dec 15th Medical Examiner interview) but it is not relevant to the issues I noted in my first comment here as to numerous other examples of other dates and timeframes.

FL: Little Danbury CT is right on the coast, which typically has some type of breeze or wind on most days. Newtown CT on the other hand is further inland, almost as far from the coast as Hartford, but more to the southwest towards NYC.

For the record: The distance between Hartford and Newtown is approx. 50 miles/1 hour. The distance from Newtown to New York City is approx. 80 miles/1.5 hours. The distance from Newtown/Little Danbury Municipal Airport to the Bridgeport weather station is approx. 20-30 miles/30 mins. Since the NOAA .gov site for Danbury Municipal Airport (that I linked first) has changed to info for Dec 19th through the 22nd, I will repost here (for reference and comparison convenience) your timeanddate.com weather report site and your date-changeable wunderground.com weather report site for Danbury, CT. Also, the 3 friendlyforecast.com links that I listed at #16 [for Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County)/Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial, CT] with an additional 4 more for the week onward from Fri, Dec 14 through Thu, Dec 20. Incidentally, your own wunderground.com site for Danbury, CT shows a minimum temp of 21 degrees, a maximum temp of 48 degrees and an average temp of 34 degrees with winds reaching above 10 mph from 8AM to 5PM on the date of Dec 14 (which is the date and timeframes of most relevance to what I initially commented on, aside from the Medical Examiner) and that info corroborates my suspicion "that what we've been seeing could be staged to some extent from an indoor set somewhere." Note that I didn't say everything we've been seeing about this matter was staged on an indoor set somewhere, as you insinuated that's what I meant.
I do not have unlimited time to debate your side issues on this. Suffice it to say, regarding your video reference, that there was wind speed of close to 6 mph recorded at the Danbury link I posted for the 15th during the 3PM-4PM timeframe, which you noted for the Medical Examiner interview in question on the 15th -- high enough that it should have been noticeable as to hair ruffling and such in that video; with the windchill factor likely colder than the 45 degrees recorded there. I, too, live in a northern region and have for most of my life. I do not consider temps in the 40s (windy or not) to be warm enough to be outdoors for an extended period without a coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt, which is what is depicted in a number of videos with no sign of the people appearing to feel cold. So, unless you want to stand in a temp adjusted walk-in cooler for quite some time in a thin shirt with a fan blowing at adjusted wind speeds for every video example in question and then testify that your hair wasn't blowing and you didn't feel chilly at all, what you've declared to be comfortable and mild conditions for others is entirely irrelevant and I thoroughly disagree with that assertion.
Scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page to reference:
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 16 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 17 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 18 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 19 2012
Little Danbury CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 20 2012
Edited for clarity and readability.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 7:15:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: GreyLmist (#22) (Edited)
Your problem, GL, is that refuse to accept reality. People who live in New England know for a fact what the weather has been like. You don't. Rather than accepting the fact that there are such things as real people and real towns, you think EVERYTHING of importance is filmed in a studio somewhere.
If you had any sense at all you'd be able to eliminate what is real from what isn't, but in your case, NOTHING is real, not the people, not the town, not the weather, nothing.
That is why you have no credibility.
The links I provided prove that the temperature at the time of the press conference was mild, with a temperature of 44 degrees with zero wind at 3PM and 4PM on December 15th in Newtown CT.
You can tap dance all you want, it's not going to change that fact.
Oh, and your link to LITTLE Danbury is irrelevant, since the town of DANBURY is NOT the same town as LITTLE Danbury, which is about 25 miles away to the south, with Little Danbury right on the coast, whereas Danbury is inland.
As far as MINIMUM temperatures, those occur around 5 AM or so, NOT in the middle of the afternoon. Have you ever left the southern regions of the US and been up in New England?
You can spin and gyrate all over the place with tons of irrelevant links and page upon page of your opinion, but it doesn't matter, you can NOT change reality to make it into something YOU want it to be.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 11:07:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: GreyLmist (#22)
Have you even tried using Google Maps to see where Little Danbury is in relation to Danbury and Newtown? Little Danbury is the southern region of the town of Fairfield, which is right on the coast between Norwich and Bridgeport.
Newtown is due north of it, about 25 miles inland. Danbury is about 10 miles west of Newtown. The coast almost always has some type of breeze, where inland areas are often calm. Regardless, the weather report for Newtown indicates ZERO wind with a temperature of 44 degrees at the time of the press conference, and THAT is what the facts are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 11:24:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist (#22) (Edited)
It's ALSO apparent that you are deliberately tossing out red herrings here, since the VERY SAME weather site which you are using to look up the weather for the town of Fairfield - Little Danbury can ALSO be used to look up the weather info for NEWTOWN CT, the location of interest. So why are you trying to misdirect people here with the weather for a location on the coast, whereas the weather for the town of interest can easily be found via the exact same website?
If you enter NEWTOWN CT and December 15 2012, it'll give you the weather for NEWTOWN CT on that day, and confirms that the temperature was 44 degrees with no wind for the time frame of the press conference.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
If you've ever been to New England and driven to the coast, you'd know that the weather conditions along the coast are always different than what they are a mere 5 - 10 miles or so inland. It's cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, and there is almost always a breeze, even if there is no wind at all further inland.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 11:31:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: GreyLmist (#22) (Edited)
However, your own Hartford weather report reference (from timeanddate.com that you posted first as being comparable to Newtown) shows the temperature dropping rapidly there from 44 degrees at Noon to below freezing at 6PM with the 3PM-4PM range around 36 degrees (barely above freezing) but it has no data for wind speeds.

You are lying. If you use the same website you've been using to look up weather on the coast of Connecticut, and instead enter HARTFORD for December 15, 2012, you will see that the temperature there was 44 to 42 degrees between 3 and 4 PM of that day, with no wind at 3PM, and a mild wind of 3.5 mph at 4PM.
Hartford CT (Hartford County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012

In terms of what I had posted in regards to Hartford earlier, it matches what the Friendly Forecast website gives. Anybody can look it up to verify that fact.
Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford
As far as the wind data, scroll down on the timeanddate webpage till you see "Detailed list of observations in Hartford" and expand the item for "Weather on Dec 15". You will see that there was no wind at 2:53 PM, and a 3 mph wind at 3:53 PM, which agrees with the Friendly Forecast site.
At 6PM (from the Hartford-Brainard Airport) the temperature was 40 degrees. The observation for 5:53 PM from the timeanddate site is reported as 36 degrees. Both sites report 34 degrees at 7PM and 6:53PM. So no, the temperature did not dip to below freezing at 6PM as you claim, which really doesn't matter, but indicates you are either making this up as you go or are seriously confused when it comes to looking up data.
Regardless, it's the weather for Hartford, not Newtown, where Newtown stayed at 44 degrees during the timeframe and had no wind at all.
Is it that you don't know how to look things up, or are you deliberately misleading people on this for whatever reason? Can't you just admit that you were wrong?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 12:07:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: FormerLurker (#24) (Edited)
Have you even tried using Google Maps to see where Little Danbury is in relation to Danbury and Newtown?

Yes, I looked at several maps of the areas -- including Bridgeport.

Little Danbury is the southern region of the town of Fairfield, which is right on the coast between Norwich and Bridgeport.
Newtown is due north of it, about 25 miles inland. Danbury is about 10 miles west of Newtown. The coast almost always has some type of breeze, where inland areas are often calm. Regardless, the weather report for Newtown indicates ZERO wind with a temperature of 44 degrees at the time of the press conference, and THAT is what the facts are.

The NOAA .gov link that I posted first (but is no longer showing the timeframe in question) was for Danbury Municipal Airport, not the coast, but you discarded that official presentation which was closest. I am not going to presume your terrorist-sounding Weather Underground site (for the area of Danbury in-general and from no weather station in particular, which could have been issued from somebody's garage, for all I know at this point) ought to be considered as more accurate than the friendlyforecast.com info that I posted from yet another official weather station -- in Bridgeport -- which shows winds at about 6 mph for the 2 hours of 3PM-4PM on Dec 15th.
The fact is that there is no point in further splitting hairs about that because I'll be addressing your video again in my next reply, eventually -- in comparison to the one posted by wudidiz. Moreover, as I said in my previous post, the date of Dec 14 and those timeframes (the day of the reported shooting; the day before your reference) are of most relevance to examples I've mentioned other than the Medical Examiner.
I found more detailed wind data as to speed and direction at your Weather Underground site, btw (past a large blank section and an astronomy section, towards the bottom of the page). Suffice it to say that the speed was not logged at 0 mph all day or at any time on the 15th -- again, a logging of Calm simply meaning below 3 mph. If below 3 mph was the avg. wind speed calculated for that day there (which seems to be the case, as most timeframes are shown non-numerically/non-specifically as Calm), then that would get inaccurately translated to 0 mph but it is not a reflection of fact. A graph on the page there (for Dec 15) shows temps no higher than 45 degrees and dropping rapidly to just slightly above 40 degrees by 4PM, which is 5 mins. from the time you gave as the start point for the CNN recording of the Medical Examiner being interviewed.
Also, that site shows wind speeds ranging from above zero to higher than 10 mph (max. 12 mph, avg. 2 mph) for the hours of 8AM to 5PM on the more crucial date of Dec 14th, with an avg. temp of 34 degrees -- no higher than 46 degrees (which lasted 2 hours) and a windchill factor of no more than 43.9 degrees. Enough said on all of these issues rehashed in this reply, imo. Let's do move on now to the video comparisons that I spoke of in my third paragraph above because this line of argument is actually quite detrimental to your stance and that analysis might be somewhat less so.
Edited for spacing and grammar.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 13:41:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: FormerLurker (#26)
Here you go again, swarming the board with post after post indicating that you definitely aren't even really reading what I've said, just making a jumble of misconstruances to insult. Well, now you can wait for the comparative analysis I mentioned because I'm too busy to wade through your nouveau bog and do that too. L8r, mudslinger.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 13:55:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: FormerLurker (#23)
in your case, NOTHING is real

P.S. I'm going dub that slam your "Strawberry Fields Forever" Beatlemania post. lol
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 14:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: GreyLmist (#27)
WTF don't you understand about the fact the press conference took place on Saturday, December 15th, between 3 and 4 PM? You are all over the place with dates and times, ranging from the day of the shooting to four days later, and all over the place with geographic locations, ranging from the Connecticut coast (Little Danbury) to Hartford, to God knows where else.
You refuse to accept that the temperature of 44 degrees with no wind does not require heavy clothing, nor will zero wind stir up people's hairdo's.
You're beating a dead horse. Just admit you're wrong.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 14:30:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)
The NOAA .gov link that I posted first (but is no longer showing the timeframe in question) was for Danbury Municipal Airport, not the coast

Judging from your inability to read the weather pages which ARE available, or to determine the correct geographic location, I'd say you were off on that as well.
Regardless, you posted post after post of weather from LITTLE DANBURY, NOT DANBURY, across a 4 or 5 day timeframe.
You refuse to look at data from Newtown or Danbury, misrepresent and lie about data concerning Hartford, and are grasping at non-existant straws.
Then you wonder why a lot of people can see right through your "no-planes" nonsense.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 14:40:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)
I am not going to presume your terrorist-sounding Weather Underground site (for the area of Danbury in-general and from no weather station in particular, which could have been issued from somebody's garage, for all I know at this point)ought to be considered as more accurate than the friendlyforecast.com info that I posted from yet another official weather station -- in Bridgeport -- which shows winds at about 6 mph for the 2 hours of 3PM-4PM on Dec 15th.
A) From Weather Underground (weather service) - Wiki
Weather Underground is a commercial weather service that provides real-time weather information via the Internet. Weather Underground provides weather reports for most major cities across the world on its Web site, as well as local weather reports for newspapers and Web sites. Most of its United States information comes from the National Weather Service (NWS), as information from that agency is within the public domain by federal law. The Web site is available in many languages, and an ad-free version of the site with additional features is available for an annual fee.

B) Bridgeport is on the coast. Why is it you like to confuse inland weather with coastal weather?

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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 14:47:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)
I found more detailed wind data as to speed and direction at your Weather Underground site, btw (past a large blank section and an astronomy section, towards the bottom of the page). Suffice it to say that the speed was not logged at 0 mph all day or at any time on the 15th --
Uh huh. From History for Danbury, CT (Weather Underground)
Do you know how to read a graph? Between 2PM and 11PM there was 0 mph winds (ie. NO WIND).

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 15:08:14 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: FormerLurker (#31) (Edited)
You refuse to look at data from Newtown or Danbury, misrepresent and lie about data concerning Hartford, and are grasping at non-existant straws.

Get real. I am the first person to have posted an official weather report for Danbury -- not you -- and it was the one you rejected from NOAA .gov at Danbury Municipal Airport. So, I posted another offical weather station report for the nearby area -- friendlyforecast.com in Bridgeport -- and I have only posted those two official sources. It is you who have confused even yourself by injecting other than an official source and farther away; backtracking to cite Danbury in-general from a hodge-podge compiling of a commercial source when you refused to accept the official source from that very same area. Bye4now.
Edited next to last sentence.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 15:20:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: FormerLurker (#33) (Edited)
Between 2PM and 11PM there was 0 mph winds (ie. NO WIND).

You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for what I already explained to you about loggings of Calm winds there not meaning no wind -- just less than 3 mph -- and how that would inaccurately translate as an average of no wind because of non-numerical/non-specific entries in those timeframes. Take a break. I have other work to do now.
Edited italics.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 15:29:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)
At 6PM (from the Hartford-Brainard Airport) the temperature was 40 degrees. The observation for 5:53 PM from the timeanddate site is reported as 36 degrees. Both sites report 34 degrees at 7PM and 6:53PM. So no, the temperature did not dip to below freezing at 6PM as you claim, which really doesn't matter, but indicates you are either making this up as you go or are seriously confused when it comes to looking up data.

P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM. Check it fast to verify because the data for Dec 15th is being phased off of the page now to move forward.
Edited to include first sentence, for highlighting, parenthesis, spelling and to correct the link.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2012-12-22 15:43:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: GreyLmist (#35) (Edited)
You'll have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for what I already explained to you about loggings of Calm winds there not meaning no wind -- just less than 3 mph -- and how that would inaccurately translate as an average of no wind because of non-numerical/non-specific entries in those timeframes.

Like I said, you DON'T GIVE UP do you, even when proven wrong with factual data.
Here's some more data for you. In case you didn't know, Eastern Standard Time (EST) is 5 hours behind Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), and in 24 hour time, 3PM is 1500, 4PM is 1600. Thus, 3PM to 4PM EST would be 2000 to 2100 GMT in 24 hour time.
And oh yeah, 0 means ZERO.

From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR (Danbury Municipal Airport) Edit: fixed link
Tabular Listing: December 15, 2012 - 0:00 through December 16, 2012 - 00:00 GMT
Time(GMT) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility

Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check

pressure

Pressure conditions

° F ° F ° F % mph

in in in in

miles

23:53 33.1 27.0 30.8 78 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 10.00

22:53 32.0 27.0 30.1 81 0

OK
29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

21:53 37.0 27.0 33.1 67 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

20:53 42.1 26.1 35.7 53 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

19:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

18:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

17:53 44.1 26.1 36.9 49 5 NE
OK
29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 10.00

16:53 42.1 26.1 35.8 53 5 NNE
OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 10.00

15:53 41.0 28.0 35.8 60 5 E
OK
29.82 30.32 30.32 25.30 clear 10.00

14:53 34.0 28.9 32.0 82 0

OK
29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 7.00

13:53 28.0 25.0 27.0 88 0

OK
29.81 30.32 30.31 25.29 fog 6.00

12:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

11:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.78 30.30 30.28 25.27 clear 8.00

10:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.78 30.29 30.28 25.27 clear 8.00

9:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 9.00

8:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 9.00

7:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 7.00

6:53 26.1 21.9 24.7 84 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 10.00

5:53 25.0 21.9 24.0 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 10.00

4:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

3:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00

2:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

1:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW
OK
29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00

0:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

23:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0

OK
29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00

At 19:53 GMT (2:53 PM EST) there was ZERO wind, and at 20:53 GMT (3:53 PM EST) there was ALSO ZERO wind. Do you get it yet?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 15:52:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: GreyLmist (#36)
P.S. It's not a matter of "as I claim". The info at your very own source in that reply (Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford at timeanddate.com) shows the temp plunging to 31 degrees by 6PM.

Are you high, blind, or just lying to see if you can get away with it?
From Recent Weather in U.S.A. – Connecticut – Hartford
Dec 15
5:53 PM Clear. Chilly. 36 °F No wind - 62% 30.26 "Hg 10 mi
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:04:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Pinguinte (#37)
Neil, I've tried various ways to fix this table, but no matter what I do in preview, once posted it'll delete the last < / table> tag and break the output.
Any ideas?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:12:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: All (#39)
It looks like once subsequent text passed the last row of the table, everythings back to normal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-22 16:12:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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