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Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes
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Published: Dec 31, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-31 11:41:43 by wudidiz
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#37. To: scrapper2 (#36)
2. why so touchy? In my previous post, I ASKED if you were the guy who blah, blah...I did not "hurl accusations" - sheesh - take a chill pill, eh?

Huh? You're the one who just said "Weren't you the guy who argued with me non- stop for 30 days and 30 nights a few years ago about some forgettable issue? I think christine finally had to intervene and close the thread because it was so nauseatingly drawn out - primarily by you. "
You didn't say "christine finally had to intervene and close the thread because it was so nauseatingly drawn out - primarily by whoever that guy was. ", you said "primarily by you. ".
So yeah, what do expect me to say, thank you sir may I have another?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 18:11:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: FormerLurker (#37)
Oh brother the way this thread dialogue between you and me is starting to snowball over nothing important, it all seems so jarringly familiar. Just sayin'....
Bye.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-02 18:17:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: scrapper2 (#38) (Edited)
Oh brother the way this thread dialogue between you and me is starting to snowball over nothing important, it all seems so jarringly familiar

Have you ever considered the possibility that whoever it was you argued with "for 30 days and nights" might not have been the one at fault, since you appear to be quick on the trigger?
Hey, aren't you the guy who said George W Bush was one of our finest presidents, and that 9/11 happened just like he said it did?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 18:23:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: scrapper2, FormerLurker, Parrot on Speed Dial, wudidiz (#32) (Edited)
FormerLurker: Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?

scrapper2: GreyLmist and Parrot,
I do tend to agree with FL's tongue-in-cheek observation. Please note that FL and I rarely agree on anything.
While referencing the Occult with friends after knocking back several brewskies might evoke considerable interest in that setting, introducing the Occult to sober people as support for a theory that there's more than meets the eye regarding 9-11, Sandy Hook massacre, etc will tend to throw dust and damage the credibility of your original supposition.
Just saying....

scrapper, if you entered this thread at the point of my one sentence reply at Post #24 on what FL had presented and innocuously dubbed as a family-photo of Vicki Soto, I can understand why you mistakenly got the impression, which you apparently did, that I had "drunkenly" introduced the occult angle here and with no basis. What you've described as FL's "tongue-in-cheek observation" (as if a credible rebuttal to my making overmuch, seemingly, about nothing) is actually a backhanded-strawman swipe from FL -- for no apparent reason that I can fathom other than to cause confusion and conflict over what was, until then, simply a conversationally supportive remark (from my video observations) on the occult angle that FL had enlarged upon here after Newtown's Masonic-org medical care complex was noted at Post #1.
Beginning at Post #2, FL presented a 7.5 minute video of Newtown as a major hub of Satanism and then presented the horned hand-gestured Soto family-photo at Post #3, which I made a short comment on 21 posts later. In the meantime, FL had said at Post #6 (as if unaware of the redundant circularity of their opinion) that they were still not convinced the Sandy Hook parents are actors but COULD be Satanists, when their own 7.5 minute video at Post #2 had described Satanists precisely as a network of actors pretending in society that they aren't such. Rather than kick up dust argumentatively by asking FL if they had even watched their own video, I tried to simply show a corroborative example of other investigative research along the very same lines that FL had themself injected into the discussion -- not me or ~~Parrot on Speed Dial~~ Parrot with speed dial either; who had offered their insight-confirmations on the occult issue to me and wudidiz and not to dispute FL or go off-topic of what FL had turned attentions to in this subject multiple times.
And now, here we are in a mixed up mess at the bottom of FL's slippery slope as if they had nothing at all to do with any of that -- just us other "woo-hoos" or whatever -- and you claiming agreement with FL's sarcastic swing. Please try to not be misused so again for their confrontational manuevers, scrapper. Just sayin' and good luck on that.
Edited paragraph 1 + formatting, punctuation and spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 20:56:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Parrot with speed dial (#40)
Ping to Post #40. Had misspelled your name in my post and the To: address line. Sorry about that.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 21:28:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: GreyLmist (#40)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 21:44:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#42)
There's nothing wrong with looking at All the data, leaving no rock unturned, to be meticulously thorough. Especially if there aren't really any conclusions being drawn.
Maybe it's you who's jumping to conclusions here, FL. You seem to be quick to play the devil's advocate and incline to the offcial story. Using news reports as evidence and attacking any noncomformist idea like one of those dogs that barks and lunges at everyone for no apparent reason. Take a chill pill indeed. You're not obliged to determine the outcome of any investigation.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 22:02:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: wudidiz (#43) (Edited)
Like I said to GL, wudidz, watch out for people whose last name is Smith, they might be satanic murderers, or is it sadistic murderers. Either way, they are in thy hell.
It's about as logical as trying to say the victim, Victoria Soto, might be satanic because her last name ends with oto.
It's one thing to notice the devil sign coming from people in the town of Newtown CT, including kids, but a totally different thing to suspect satanic involvement because of a common Mexican name.
You two are experts in jumping to conclusions that defy logic or reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:07:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: wudidiz, GreyLmist (#43)
So wud, do you agree with GL that a slender yet relatively shapely 27 year old victim, Victoria Soto, is the same person as a somewhat chubby 15 year old girl from the opposite end of the country who survived a mall shooting in Oregon?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:12:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: FormerLurker (#45)
My first guess is no.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 22:13:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: wudidiz (#46)
Well at least you didn't jump on THAT bandwagon. Thus far, I think GL is the only one driving that one.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:15:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Do you think Gene Rosen is an actor?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 22:22:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: wudidiz (#48)
Do you think Gene Rosen is an actor?

I would say the odds of Newtown residents being professional actors is between slim and none.
I would also say, however, that some of them are acting quite bizarrely. There are several possibilities as to WHY they are acting that way, ranging from something in the water to satanic involvement.
Who knows exactly what the cause is, but something isn't right about that place. I've experienced first hand strange behavior of the locals in some parts of New York, and I did actually find that there WAS satanic activity in those towns.
The depth of how far it goes is anyone's guess, but Gerarld Rivera had a pretty interesting series of investigative reports on the matter.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:30:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#42)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head

Its the fact that most Americans are so dumbed down.....that they can't see the Occult flung in their faces daily.
So dumbed down,.....they believe the Mars Curiosity Rover....is on Mars.
The level of Illusion and magic is just over the top of late....but then....it was 2012....a very Occult numbered year....and the kickoff to big things,...just as 2001 was with false flag 9-11.
Those reading along who are wondering about Mars Curiosity Rover,....drop by
Cluesforum.....there you will find scientific data showing the impossibility of this supposed mission and its bullet descent/bottle rocket/cable landing.
Its CGI....cluesforum knocks it outta the park.
Those of us who understood the Apollo Moon missions were faked.....know they will go to the well again and again....and get their funding...and toy with the world....in world wide deception.
This is part of the rite of the Occult....crafting the deception and pulling it off.
We find this continually in news cycle.....
The invasion of Libya had fake sets in Qatar which Al Jazerra duped Islam with.
The attack on Syria finds the same game of illusion and magic [words]..used to achieve.
except...all that is not going so well for the Globalists.
Even with Russia hardly supporting Assad regime.....that Army is winning.
of course....that may change soon...as the machine has many impatient movers demanding a different outcome.
GL's not wrong to consider Conspiracy or the Occult in the mix of things.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-02 22:37:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Parrot with speed dial (#50)
GL's not wrong to consider Conspiracy or the Occult in the mix of things.

You appear to be quick to jump to conclusions yourself there Parrot. Again, I didn't say there was no occult involvement, but the fact that a person's name ends with "oto" is proof of nothing.
Soto is a common Mexican name, just like Smith is a common British name, hence my attempt at humor with the analysis of the name Smith.
Get it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:42:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: FormerLurker (#42)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head.

It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved -- and for no logical reason, imo, other than to smite in spite. It is you who are grasping at absurdity straws and jumping strangely to transmute accusingly even a benevolent, corroborative comment made conversationally (on a topic you yourself had inserted here) into something warranting enmity and a targeted strike from you. Evidently (and typically again of you), even my short, one sentence comment wasn't really comprehensively read by you but you've misread much into it, as usual. FYI: I'm not the analyst who interpreted the "oto" letters as a possible Satanic signal in the name of a possibly fictitious character or Crisis Actor. I merely relayed, as a gesture of support, an abbreviated summary on their video-assessment of it to you in response to the horned hand-gesture signal-issues that you had presented as a meaningfully relevant observation in this discussion. I'm not clear on why you've arbitrarily drawn the line of meaningful occult observation at your input only but go ahead and stomp and swipe like an agitated ogre over it, if you insist on manifesting so. I'll just laugh at your shows of force.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 23:05:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: FormerLurker (#51)
You appear to be quick to jump to conclusions yourself there Parrot. Again, I didn't say there was no occult involvement, but the fact that a person's name ends with "oto" is proof of nothing.
Soto is a common Mexican name, just like Smith is a common British name, hence my attempt at humor with the analysis of the name Smith.
Get it?

Ya....your working to keep people from exploring this trail
that gives me pause.
Tell us.....were the Apollo missions real [ie...they landed men on the moon],...or was that faked?
You appear willing to admit deceptions occurred on 9-11...but do ninny over certain details.
You maybe need* to go and read the verses pulled from Virgil's work and the Sibylline Oracles ..so as to grasp why those phrases were used in the making of the Great Seal of the United States.
and then consider why that was transposed on the US Dollar.
Start looking at the Occult like it was a machine....which has buttons which get pushed and then outcomes occur.
Satanism exists....but it is not**...whats operating the levers of the machine.
At times....Satanism or Saturn Cult is convenient deception which the powers do not mind you chasing down the rabbit hole with.
Accept that Illusion and magic occur....so that a desired outcome can be achieved.
Look for it.....its part of the game[competition] and the rite,...which they openly show.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-02 23:17:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Parrot with speed dial (#53)
Ya....your working to keep people from exploring this trail

Uh huh. I have a new lead for you. It was actually Hillary Clinton who shot all those kids, that's why she's in the hospital. You can go ahead and make a Youtube video describing the details and claim all the credit for yourself.
I really don't know what the fuck you and your breathren here have been smoking, but it must be some REALLY good shit.
If you paid attention at all to anything I've said here, I'M the one who raised the topic of the satanic symbology in certain photos of the Sandy Hood families and victims.
Is it that it's a bit too close to the truth, and you feel a need to discredit me with your rants and accusations?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 0:53:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Hey, aren't you the guy who said George W Bush was one of our finest presidents, and that 9/11 happened just like he said it did?

You are a certifiable jerk. And yes, now that I think about it longer, your argumentative obnoxious style reminds me of the kook who debated me for 30 days and 30 nights over nothing. Kook!

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-03 1:36:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Well at least you didn't jump on THAT bandwagon. Thus far, I think GL is the only one driving that one.

It's not a bandwagon. It's my investigative and comparative research of possible Crisis Actors and fictional characters in official terror-storylines, as well as suspect covert-agents of foreign powers regarding PsyOps/BlackOps against our nation; such as alleged mall and school shootings, 9/11, etc. For any readers confused by your obscurations of that here, am cross-referencing this 4um thread, titled: "BREAKING NEWS: CT School Shooter Killer Link To LIBOR SCANDAL" -- with emphasis on Posts #11, #13, #15, #17 and #21.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 1:42:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)
Me: However, he is one of the many examples of children and adults [Edit to add: allegedly outdoors] in the area that day with no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt on -- just a thin, summery shirt.

You: That kid, if it's the one I saw in the video you refer to, is wearing what could possibly be a winter/fall longsleeve double shirt. It's impossible to tell exactly since you can only see the top inch or two of his shirt, the rest of it was out of frame.
I wouldn't base my case upon it if I were trying to use it as evidence in court.

It looks like an ordinary, lightweight shirt to me (and he gave more than one interview that day -- at a van in one and the other not -- if you think that view of his shirt is questionable) but I haven't based my weather-attire case on just that. As I said, he's one of many such examples -- of children and adults, a few even wearing short-sleeve summery shirts. You might not have seen the videos and pics showing that or noticed it, if you did see them, but one of the more frequently posted pics that I think you probably have seen (which is one of the strangest photos, imo, of the supposed aftermath) shows the children being marched outdoors in single-file with their hands on the shoulders of the child in front of them. Unlike the children, the two offical-looking adults are dressed warmly but the children are not. Stranger still, those children are being led outdoors in a convenient targeting-formation like ducks in a shooting- gallery row when two other suspects were apprehended outside of the school and nearby it that day. Could have been others roundabout in the area, for all those "guardian officials" knew for sure. Let's not spar about all of that, though. The main reason I'm posting a reply here now is to cite additional points of consideration about the aforementioned-boy and his family, possibly relevant to my research on rings of PsyOp/BlackOp covert-agents of foreign powers here.
In one of his interviews, his mother is interviewed too, with her first and last name reported (last name: Nikitchyuk) and his reported name as "Bear" -- perhaps in reference to Russia/The Bear. He's sometimes reported as a third grader and sometimes as a fourth grader but is described as a first grader at a photo in the February 11, 2011 issue of photos.newtownbee.com so, unless he skipped a grade, he's probably a third grader. This is the caption there:

Sandy Hook School first grader Bear Nikitchyuk created a “dragon that bites” after learning about mythological animals in Chinese culture. (Hallabeck photo)

His father, Andrei/Andre Nikitchyuk, authored this New York Daily News article posted there on December 17, 2012 excerpted below:

BREAKING THE SILENCE! Father of surviving Sandy Hook student admits turning a blind eye to gun violence can no longer be an option
Pic: Andre Nikitchyuk, with son Bear, 8, a third-grader at Sandy Hook Elementary who escaped harm when a teacher pulled him into a room as the shooting began.
My son, a third-grader nick-named “Bear,” went to school on Friday, like any normal day. At school that day, he was the classroom helper with another child and had the job of walking the attendance sheet to the principal’s office.
He describes his experience as hearing gunshots and “seeing” bullets come by them, turning toward them to see what’s going on, but — thankfully — smoke clouded his view.
Our kids were so lucky. A heroic teacher, Abbey Clements, whom we can never sufficiently thank, saw them in the hallway and pulled him into her classroom.

Not only is he said to have been in a position to act as a witness by being selectively sent into the hall when most of the children would be in classrooms, he is the only child who claims at all to have seen bullets flying, maybe -- although smoke clouded his view...and they didn't sound like gunshots but someone kicking a door...and he didn't actually see any gun(s) fired...says he saw smoke and smelled smoke...then a teacher pulled him into her classroom. Moreover, his father with a Russian sounding last name (like the alleged Clackamas/Oregon 15 year-old survivor and her brother) is gunning against our 2nd Amendment, you could say metaphorically. Ergo, I'm going to cross-reference their rather suspicious family (as I see it) with the data compiled in another thread, starting at Post #11 there [Edit to add: and noted above in this thread at Post #56], on the issue of possible and known covert-agents of foreign powers moving in America as enemies of our Republic.
Edited also the Post number linked in the last sentence of the last paragraph.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 21:35:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: GreyLmist, scrapper2 (#52) (Edited)
It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved

Just as in your little circle of pals, you are guilty of projecting your own faults onto others, specifically, those who disagree with you and/or call you on your far fetched schemes.
To see something sinister in a common name is beyond rational. I doubt you would make those claims to people in real life as they may well view you as certifiably insane.
Oh boo hoo hoo, I told you that you were off the deep end because you tried to claim Victoria Soto was satanic JUST BECAUSE the three letters of her name ends with "oto".
That I tried to inject a bit of humor rubs you the wrong way, and now I'm all sorts of bad things.
Now I should get ready for your fellow gang of misfits to come tell me I'm an asshole, a jerk, and all sorts of other things because I popped your little balloon.
You folks are all very quick to pounce on others over perceived wrongs, but cry like little drama queens when someone tries to speak to you as if you were actually adults.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:25:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: scrapper2 (#55)
You are a certifiable jerk. And yes, now that I think about it longer, your argumentative obnoxious style reminds me of the kook who debated me for 30 days and 30 nights over nothing. Kook!

For one, dig up that thread if it exists and post a link. For two, who are you, BeAChooser? Did you create the scrapper2 handle just to have a sleeper account?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:28:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: FormerLurker (#58) (Edited)
That post was made yesterday, almost 24 hours ago, in response to your whirlwind wardances in-process then over a short, conversational sentence about somebody else's interpretation of the 3 "oto" letters, as well as a 3 word file-summary comment posted by me, "Noting a resemblance". Since then, I thought we had reached an amicable understanding and had hoped, if I replied to your post here on the issues of the boy, Bear, and his family that you would have the presence of mind to remember that prior conflict was over with -- or so I thought but, apparently, I was wrong about you having that much rationality and composure. Oh, well. I think that's your problem, not mine.
Edited sentence 1 + for grammar and punctuation.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 23:14:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: GreyLmist (#60)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-04 1:46:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: FormerLurker (#61) (Edited)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.

Ok, then. I apologize for the curt reply but would like to suggest a quick check of the posting-date stamp logs before dashing off an unnecessarily overheated message. While I'm here again, am using this time to list some video examples for the record that I've noticed of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them even in short sleeve, summery shirts. View at the YouTube sites:
At least 27 dead, including 18 children, in Connecticut school shooting - YouTube
At 0:21 children walking in a line with no coat
Girl in no coat and adult female in short sleeve summer shirt at 1:24
Girl in short sleeves at 1:31 and man at 2:06 in white shirt
Connecticut Shooting: Parents React Dec 14th, 2012
At 0:44 girl in white shirt
At 2:20 woman in short sleeve summer shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
At 2:08 female in white shirt
At 2:23 and 2:26 children in short sleeve shirts
US school shooting: Children tell of terror
At 0:22 boy in green shirt with scarf but no coat; 0:36 girl in white shirt
At 1:10-1:20 several with no coat, including a baby boy in green shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
Baby in green shirt with no coat at 1:21; also seen in the previous video and the one below
Man in background wearing short sleeve summer shirt at 1:52
Sandy Hook Massacre Exposed? (With Evidence) 1/2
At 12:17 shirt sleeves, including baby boy in green shirt
Edited for video notations, time-stamp markers and sequence order. Also to add this child in no coat pic example not seen in those videos:

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 4:52:17 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: GreyLmist (#62) (Edited)
All the plates are nice and neatly covered... That ford is very dusty.

That has to be the most awkward way to run I have ever seen....
I would have to shun the stupidity and run for my life proper.

Love how that cop is too weak to pick up a small 50 pound girl and RUN!!!.. nope... Not these actors.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-04 6:02:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: titorite (#63)
Astute observations, titorite. Thanks for your analysis of the pic.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 6:10:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: GreyLmist, 4um, *The Pending Gun Grab* (#62)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-04 9:52:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#65) (Edited)

This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...
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titorite posted on 2013-01-04 14:31:14 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: All (#62) (Edited)
More examples of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them in short sleeve, summery shirts and even one male in shorts:

Girls with no coats

Boy in a T-shirt, man in a white shirt, boy in an orange shirt

Boy in orange shirt again

Girl in a thin, short sleeve shirt

Boy in a thin shirt; last name: Nikitchyuk, nickname: Bear

Female in a white shirt; Carlee Soto?

Girl with no coat, thin shirt(s)

Child with no coat, thin shirt(s)

Boy with no coat, looks like 2 thin shirts

Boy in a blue shirt but could be a sweatshirt

Female in a black shirt

Man in a black shirt

Man in a purple shirt, woman in a white and blue shirt

Man in a blue T- shirt

Woman in a shirt with alleged Sandy Hook parent, male in shorts and a shirt

Child in a short sleeve shirt bottom right corner, others with no coats

No coats, female in short sleeves

Child with thin shirt(s) and no coat. CNN [Updated at 2:45 p.m. ET]: Various locations are being used as staging areas around Newtown. This is outside the Newtown Methodist Church near the school where a woman is hugging a child.
Sandy Hook Elementary School Nurse Sally Cox EXPOSED Newtown Shooting FRAUD - YouTube
At 1:29-1:32 boy in short sleeve shirt, female in white shirt
At 1:37-1:41 several children with no coats and thin shirts, two in short sleeve shirts
At 6:49 boys with thin shirts and no coats, one in short sleeves

Edited to change paths for pics #3 and #4 that weren't working + added several more pics and made some changes in pic descriptions.
Re-edited to add 3 more pics:

Two children in bottom right corner with no coats

Boy with no coat

Several children with no coats, two in short sleeves
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 8:43:17 ET (21 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Thank you, JT, and for your very insightful analysis of the pic. Added 18 more pics and another video for the record at Post #67.
Also, for a linked weather report and summary of those conditions throughout the day, am cross-referencing here Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 11:43:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#68)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-06 12:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: titorite (#66) (Edited)
[Link for posted New York Daily News pic captioned: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported aftere shooting rampage.]
This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...

Good points. The temperature was below freezing there from 7 p.m. on Dec 14 until 10 a.m. on Dec 15 and the nydailynews.com article linked below shows the pic you posted, with the article time stamped Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM.

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self
Published: Friday, December 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
Updated: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM
Pic link: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported after shooting rampage. | JB Nicholas for New York Daily News

Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
That weather report is also referenced above at Post #68 in this thread via the link to Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver. This is an excerpted summary by me copied from that thread-posting for the weather conditions on that day:

From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through [Edit to add: the hour of] 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.

This is a link for the Newtown weather conditions on December 15, 2012. From midnight until the hour of 10 a.m., the temperature there was in the 20s; 26 degrees at midnight, falling steadily to 22 degrees by 5 a.m. where it stayed until 10 a.m.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
Edited to shorten sentence 2.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:08:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

You're welcome, JT. Good to know that you think it of interest.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull, All (#70)
It comes down to this. If you believe that an entire town that has been incorporated since 1711 doesn't really exist, and that the people there don't really exist, just because a few people aren't bundled up with heavy winter jackets in a New England town on a mild day in December where the temperatures at the time were in the 40's, well, believe what you wish to believe.
We've been over the weather before GL, and you KNOW that the temperatures were in the 40's at the time those pictures were taken. MOST people have light jackets or sweatshirts on (including some of those kids you claim have "thin shirts" on, where in reality they're wearing an outer shirt over a long sleeve undershirt). One or two people have t-shirts on. I see that often enough when the temps are in that range, and not just in New England.
I don't know what pleasure you derive from these gyrations, and I really don't care. But you are apparently obsessed with convincing people this had to have happened in a Hollywood studio, it just couldn't have happened otherwise.
And JT, I'm highly surprised you're apparently following the "it was all done in the studio" road, where you actually live or lived in NYC, knowing how the people react to temperatures in that range.
Not just that, but don't you think people in that town would say, "hey, that isn't what happened, we don't know those people, that isn't really Newtown", etc.?
And IF "they" HAD decided to do this all in a "studio", going through the trouble of gathering all these people into various scenes, don't you think they'd think about what sort of clothes they "should" have been wearing?
Seeing this trend of cognitive dissonance amongst those who I thought would know better, hell, I think there's absolutely no hope left for any of us. We have been defeated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:34:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: All (#72)
In my opinion, all of this "lookie here, people are wearing this sort of shirt, so it MUST have been done in a studio and none of it is real", is a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?
B) Focus attention on a straw man argument which can easily be knocked down, not only diverting attention away from questions such as those described in A above, but also causing the general public to view any "conspiracy theorists (ie. those who question the official story) as being bat shit crazy.
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:48:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: FormerLurker (#73)
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.

Thanks you for your permission and blessing to fight back in this revolution against the tyranny Former Lurker. Indeed every single other attempt to address grievances of the US people has fallen upon deaf tyrant ears.
If the system be to broken to fix from with in then a few grenades and firebombs from the outside ought to fix things up. Excellent suggestion on your part my friend.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-09 2:45:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)
a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?

The title of this thread is about holes in the official story -- not the only valid questions are yours above except when you want to point out that Newtown is a Satanist hub.
Edited for clarity.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-09 14:39:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
GL, do you not think these things out before you proclaim them as viable scenarios? Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-09 23:37:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: GreyLmist (#67) (Edited)

i guess at least one of those pics is a fake
"...Drill before the event: A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill event that took place some months prior to the event itself...."

Sandy Hook: US State-Fabricated Terror
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=62991
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".
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AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2013-01-10 5:11:32 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply

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