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Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes
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Published: Dec 31, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-31 11:41:43 by wudidiz
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#54. To: Parrot with speed dial (#53)
Ya....your working to keep people from exploring this trail

Uh huh. I have a new lead for you. It was actually Hillary Clinton who shot all those kids, that's why she's in the hospital. You can go ahead and make a Youtube video describing the details and claim all the credit for yourself.
I really don't know what the fuck you and your breathren here have been smoking, but it must be some REALLY good shit.
If you paid attention at all to anything I've said here, I'M the one who raised the topic of the satanic symbology in certain photos of the Sandy Hood families and victims.
Is it that it's a bit too close to the truth, and you feel a need to discredit me with your rants and accusations?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 0:53:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Hey, aren't you the guy who said George W Bush was one of our finest presidents, and that 9/11 happened just like he said it did?

You are a certifiable jerk. And yes, now that I think about it longer, your argumentative obnoxious style reminds me of the kook who debated me for 30 days and 30 nights over nothing. Kook!

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-03 1:36:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Well at least you didn't jump on THAT bandwagon. Thus far, I think GL is the only one driving that one.

It's not a bandwagon. It's my investigative and comparative research of possible Crisis Actors and fictional characters in official terror-storylines, as well as suspect covert-agents of foreign powers regarding PsyOps/BlackOps against our nation; such as alleged mall and school shootings, 9/11, etc. For any readers confused by your obscurations of that here, am cross-referencing this 4um thread, titled: "BREAKING NEWS: CT School Shooter Killer Link To LIBOR SCANDAL" -- with emphasis on Posts #11, #13, #15, #17 and #21.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 1:42:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)
Me: However, he is one of the many examples of children and adults [Edit to add: allegedly outdoors] in the area that day with no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt on -- just a thin, summery shirt.

You: That kid, if it's the one I saw in the video you refer to, is wearing what could possibly be a winter/fall longsleeve double shirt. It's impossible to tell exactly since you can only see the top inch or two of his shirt, the rest of it was out of frame.
I wouldn't base my case upon it if I were trying to use it as evidence in court.

It looks like an ordinary, lightweight shirt to me (and he gave more than one interview that day -- at a van in one and the other not -- if you think that view of his shirt is questionable) but I haven't based my weather-attire case on just that. As I said, he's one of many such examples -- of children and adults, a few even wearing short-sleeve summery shirts. You might not have seen the videos and pics showing that or noticed it, if you did see them, but one of the more frequently posted pics that I think you probably have seen (which is one of the strangest photos, imo, of the supposed aftermath) shows the children being marched outdoors in single-file with their hands on the shoulders of the child in front of them. Unlike the children, the two offical-looking adults are dressed warmly but the children are not. Stranger still, those children are being led outdoors in a convenient targeting-formation like ducks in a shooting- gallery row when two other suspects were apprehended outside of the school and nearby it that day. Could have been others roundabout in the area, for all those "guardian officials" knew for sure. Let's not spar about all of that, though. The main reason I'm posting a reply here now is to cite additional points of consideration about the aforementioned-boy and his family, possibly relevant to my research on rings of PsyOp/BlackOp covert-agents of foreign powers here.
In one of his interviews, his mother is interviewed too, with her first and last name reported (last name: Nikitchyuk) and his reported name as "Bear" -- perhaps in reference to Russia/The Bear. He's sometimes reported as a third grader and sometimes as a fourth grader but is described as a first grader at a photo in the February 11, 2011 issue of photos.newtownbee.com so, unless he skipped a grade, he's probably a third grader. This is the caption there:

Sandy Hook School first grader Bear Nikitchyuk created a “dragon that bites” after learning about mythological animals in Chinese culture. (Hallabeck photo)

His father, Andrei/Andre Nikitchyuk, authored this New York Daily News article posted there on December 17, 2012 excerpted below:

BREAKING THE SILENCE! Father of surviving Sandy Hook student admits turning a blind eye to gun violence can no longer be an option
Pic: Andre Nikitchyuk, with son Bear, 8, a third-grader at Sandy Hook Elementary who escaped harm when a teacher pulled him into a room as the shooting began.
My son, a third-grader nick-named “Bear,” went to school on Friday, like any normal day. At school that day, he was the classroom helper with another child and had the job of walking the attendance sheet to the principal’s office.
He describes his experience as hearing gunshots and “seeing” bullets come by them, turning toward them to see what’s going on, but — thankfully — smoke clouded his view.
Our kids were so lucky. A heroic teacher, Abbey Clements, whom we can never sufficiently thank, saw them in the hallway and pulled him into her classroom.

Not only is he said to have been in a position to act as a witness by being selectively sent into the hall when most of the children would be in classrooms, he is the only child who claims at all to have seen bullets flying, maybe -- although smoke clouded his view...and they didn't sound like gunshots but someone kicking a door...and he didn't actually see any gun(s) fired...says he saw smoke and smelled smoke...then a teacher pulled him into her classroom. Moreover, his father with a Russian sounding last name (like the alleged Clackamas/Oregon 15 year-old survivor and her brother) is gunning against our 2nd Amendment, you could say metaphorically. Ergo, I'm going to cross-reference their rather suspicious family (as I see it) with the data compiled in another thread, starting at Post #11 there [Edit to add: and noted above in this thread at Post #56], on the issue of possible and known covert-agents of foreign powers moving in America as enemies of our Republic.
Edited also the Post number linked in the last sentence of the last paragraph.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 21:35:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: GreyLmist, scrapper2 (#52) (Edited)
It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved

Just as in your little circle of pals, you are guilty of projecting your own faults onto others, specifically, those who disagree with you and/or call you on your far fetched schemes.
To see something sinister in a common name is beyond rational. I doubt you would make those claims to people in real life as they may well view you as certifiably insane.
Oh boo hoo hoo, I told you that you were off the deep end because you tried to claim Victoria Soto was satanic JUST BECAUSE the three letters of her name ends with "oto".
That I tried to inject a bit of humor rubs you the wrong way, and now I'm all sorts of bad things.
Now I should get ready for your fellow gang of misfits to come tell me I'm an asshole, a jerk, and all sorts of other things because I popped your little balloon.
You folks are all very quick to pounce on others over perceived wrongs, but cry like little drama queens when someone tries to speak to you as if you were actually adults.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:25:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: scrapper2 (#55)
You are a certifiable jerk. And yes, now that I think about it longer, your argumentative obnoxious style reminds me of the kook who debated me for 30 days and 30 nights over nothing. Kook!

For one, dig up that thread if it exists and post a link. For two, who are you, BeAChooser? Did you create the scrapper2 handle just to have a sleeper account?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:28:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: FormerLurker (#58) (Edited)
That post was made yesterday, almost 24 hours ago, in response to your whirlwind wardances in-process then over a short, conversational sentence about somebody else's interpretation of the 3 "oto" letters, as well as a 3 word file-summary comment posted by me, "Noting a resemblance". Since then, I thought we had reached an amicable understanding and had hoped, if I replied to your post here on the issues of the boy, Bear, and his family that you would have the presence of mind to remember that prior conflict was over with -- or so I thought but, apparently, I was wrong about you having that much rationality and composure. Oh, well. I think that's your problem, not mine.
Edited sentence 1 + for grammar and punctuation.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 23:14:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: GreyLmist (#60)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-04 1:46:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: FormerLurker (#61) (Edited)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.

Ok, then. I apologize for the curt reply but would like to suggest a quick check of the posting-date stamp logs before dashing off an unnecessarily overheated message. While I'm here again, am using this time to list some video examples for the record that I've noticed of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them even in short sleeve, summery shirts. View at the YouTube sites:
At least 27 dead, including 18 children, in Connecticut school shooting - YouTube
At 0:21 children walking in a line with no coat
Girl in no coat and adult female in short sleeve summer shirt at 1:24
Girl in short sleeves at 1:31 and man at 2:06 in white shirt
Connecticut Shooting: Parents React Dec 14th, 2012
At 0:44 girl in white shirt
At 2:20 woman in short sleeve summer shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
At 2:08 female in white shirt
At 2:23 and 2:26 children in short sleeve shirts
US school shooting: Children tell of terror
At 0:22 boy in green shirt with scarf but no coat; 0:36 girl in white shirt
At 1:10-1:20 several with no coat, including a baby boy in green shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
Baby in green shirt with no coat at 1:21; also seen in the previous video and the one below
Man in background wearing short sleeve summer shirt at 1:52
Sandy Hook Massacre Exposed? (With Evidence) 1/2
At 12:17 shirt sleeves, including baby boy in green shirt
Edited for video notations, time-stamp markers and sequence order. Also to add this child in no coat pic example not seen in those videos:

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 4:52:17 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: GreyLmist (#62) (Edited)
All the plates are nice and neatly covered... That ford is very dusty.

That has to be the most awkward way to run I have ever seen....
I would have to shun the stupidity and run for my life proper.

Love how that cop is too weak to pick up a small 50 pound girl and RUN!!!.. nope... Not these actors.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-04 6:02:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: titorite (#63)
Astute observations, titorite. Thanks for your analysis of the pic.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 6:10:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: GreyLmist, 4um, *The Pending Gun Grab* (#62)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-04 9:52:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#65) (Edited)

This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...
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titorite posted on 2013-01-04 14:31:14 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: All (#62) (Edited)
More examples of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them in short sleeve, summery shirts and even one male in shorts:

Girls with no coats

Boy in a T-shirt, man in a white shirt, boy in an orange shirt

Boy in orange shirt again

Girl in a thin, short sleeve shirt

Boy in a thin shirt; last name: Nikitchyuk, nickname: Bear

Female in a white shirt; Carlee Soto?

Girl with no coat, thin shirt(s)

Child with no coat, thin shirt(s)

Boy with no coat, looks like 2 thin shirts

Boy in a blue shirt but could be a sweatshirt

Female in a black shirt

Man in a black shirt

Man in a purple shirt, woman in a white and blue shirt

Man in a blue T- shirt

Woman in a shirt with alleged Sandy Hook parent, male in shorts and a shirt

Child in a short sleeve shirt bottom right corner, others with no coats

No coats, female in short sleeves

Child with thin shirt(s) and no coat. CNN [Updated at 2:45 p.m. ET]: Various locations are being used as staging areas around Newtown. This is outside the Newtown Methodist Church near the school where a woman is hugging a child.
Sandy Hook Elementary School Nurse Sally Cox EXPOSED Newtown Shooting FRAUD - YouTube
At 1:29-1:32 boy in short sleeve shirt, female in white shirt
At 1:37-1:41 several children with no coats and thin shirts, two in short sleeve shirts
At 6:49 boys with thin shirts and no coats, one in short sleeves

Edited to change paths for pics #3 and #4 that weren't working + added several more pics and made some changes in pic descriptions.
Re-edited to add 3 more pics:

Two children in bottom right corner with no coats

Boy with no coat

Several children with no coats, two in short sleeves
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 8:43:17 ET (21 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Thank you, JT, and for your very insightful analysis of the pic. Added 18 more pics and another video for the record at Post #67.
Also, for a linked weather report and summary of those conditions throughout the day, am cross-referencing here Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 11:43:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#68)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-06 12:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: titorite (#66) (Edited)
[Link for posted New York Daily News pic captioned: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported aftere shooting rampage.]
This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...

Good points. The temperature was below freezing there from 7 p.m. on Dec 14 until 10 a.m. on Dec 15 and the nydailynews.com article linked below shows the pic you posted, with the article time stamped Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM.

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self
Published: Friday, December 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
Updated: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM
Pic link: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported after shooting rampage. | JB Nicholas for New York Daily News

Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
That weather report is also referenced above at Post #68 in this thread via the link to Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver. This is an excerpted summary by me copied from that thread-posting for the weather conditions on that day:

From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through [Edit to add: the hour of] 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.

This is a link for the Newtown weather conditions on December 15, 2012. From midnight until the hour of 10 a.m., the temperature there was in the 20s; 26 degrees at midnight, falling steadily to 22 degrees by 5 a.m. where it stayed until 10 a.m.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
Edited to shorten sentence 2.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:08:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

You're welcome, JT. Good to know that you think it of interest.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull, All (#70)
It comes down to this. If you believe that an entire town that has been incorporated since 1711 doesn't really exist, and that the people there don't really exist, just because a few people aren't bundled up with heavy winter jackets in a New England town on a mild day in December where the temperatures at the time were in the 40's, well, believe what you wish to believe.
We've been over the weather before GL, and you KNOW that the temperatures were in the 40's at the time those pictures were taken. MOST people have light jackets or sweatshirts on (including some of those kids you claim have "thin shirts" on, where in reality they're wearing an outer shirt over a long sleeve undershirt). One or two people have t-shirts on. I see that often enough when the temps are in that range, and not just in New England.
I don't know what pleasure you derive from these gyrations, and I really don't care. But you are apparently obsessed with convincing people this had to have happened in a Hollywood studio, it just couldn't have happened otherwise.
And JT, I'm highly surprised you're apparently following the "it was all done in the studio" road, where you actually live or lived in NYC, knowing how the people react to temperatures in that range.
Not just that, but don't you think people in that town would say, "hey, that isn't what happened, we don't know those people, that isn't really Newtown", etc.?
And IF "they" HAD decided to do this all in a "studio", going through the trouble of gathering all these people into various scenes, don't you think they'd think about what sort of clothes they "should" have been wearing?
Seeing this trend of cognitive dissonance amongst those who I thought would know better, hell, I think there's absolutely no hope left for any of us. We have been defeated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:34:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: All (#72)
In my opinion, all of this "lookie here, people are wearing this sort of shirt, so it MUST have been done in a studio and none of it is real", is a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?
B) Focus attention on a straw man argument which can easily be knocked down, not only diverting attention away from questions such as those described in A above, but also causing the general public to view any "conspiracy theorists (ie. those who question the official story) as being bat shit crazy.
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:48:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: FormerLurker (#73)
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.

Thanks you for your permission and blessing to fight back in this revolution against the tyranny Former Lurker. Indeed every single other attempt to address grievances of the US people has fallen upon deaf tyrant ears.
If the system be to broken to fix from with in then a few grenades and firebombs from the outside ought to fix things up. Excellent suggestion on your part my friend.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-09 2:45:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)
a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?

The title of this thread is about holes in the official story -- not the only valid questions are yours above except when you want to point out that Newtown is a Satanist hub.
Edited for clarity.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-09 14:39:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
GL, do you not think these things out before you proclaim them as viable scenarios? Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-09 23:37:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: GreyLmist (#67) (Edited)

i guess at least one of those pics is a fake
"...Drill before the event: A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill event that took place some months prior to the event itself...."

Sandy Hook: US State-Fabricated Terror
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=62991
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2013-01-10 5:11:32 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#76)
Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?

I've already explained to you before -- at least once and maybe twice -- that I've never said it was all filmed in a studio so I don't think I need to repeat that for us. I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:02:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#77)
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".

I was wondering where you've been. Thanks for the link and your thoughts. They are terrorizing the psyches of the children with their BlackOp/PsyWar routines.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:44:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: GreyLmist (#78)
I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.

So what ARE you trying to accomplish with all these weather reports and pictures of students in sweatshirts, with a few in t-shirts?
You ARE trying to say that this was filmed or televised from somewhere other than Newtown, aren't you?
Do you think the town of Newtown CT doesn't really exist? Because if it did, don't you think people there would notice if none of this really happened?
Incidently, don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-10 23:24:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Like Alex at infowars ways, "there is a war for your mind." People peddling BS are front line soldiers in that war for your mind. Mass mind control on scale never seen before in human history is taking place right now. IMO Alex is one of the soldiers of the elite in this war for your mind. All I know is if Obama signs an executive order banning certain guns I think the shit will hit the fan and there will be a violent uprising to kill any law enforcement officer or soldier that tries to enforce this ban.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 0:37:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#80)
don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?

At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-11 6:24:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.

Do you take drugs? Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 11:27:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: RickyJ (#83)
Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.

There were 6 children alleged to have run out of the school at approx. 9:35 a.m., the time of the alleged shooting -- to Gene Rosen's house (4um video reference). He claims they were sitting in an orderly way on his lawn/at the end of his driveway...when the weather there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. (Newtown weather report reference for Dec 14. Scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page.); presumably having fled the school without their coats but not described as shivering from the cold. I'm supposing that's what you're talking about because, otherwise, the depicted children without coats were mostly shown to be rather calmly walking, standing around, and giving interviews outdoors some time after the alleged lone gunman reportedly killed himself. So, I'm not seeing your argument as explanatory.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-12 0:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#82) (Edited)
At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m.

Not true. At 11 AM the temperature was 39.9 F, and at 10 AM the temperature was 37.9 F, as per the official National Weather Service data for Danbury Municipal Airport. Do you think the temperature instantly jumped to 40 degrees at 11 AM from 34.0 F at 9 AM? Whether you wish to believe that or not, I don't really care, I'm just going by the official weather rather than some private website which may or may not reflect the actual recorded data 100%.
Another mistake you are making is that the children weren't evacuated as soon as the shooting was reported at 9:35 AM. The building wasn't reported as "clear" till 9:53, so those kids weren't evacuated till after 10 AM.
But, so what? The question is, do you honestly think nothing really happened in Newtown, and that the entire population of the town would go along with false reports of an event of this scale if it didn't really happen there, it was all filmed somewhere else as a hoax?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-12 12:28:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: GreyLmist (#82)
From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR
Tabular Listing: December 14, 2012 - 0:00 through December 15, 2012 - 00:00 EST
Time(EST) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility

Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check

pressure

Pressure conditions

° F ° F ° F % mph

in in in in

miles

23:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

22:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00

21:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

20:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW
OK
29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00

19:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

18:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0

OK
29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00

17:53 33.1 24.1 29.8 69 0

OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

16:53 37.9 23.0 32.4 54 0

OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

15:53 46.0 19.9 36.3 35 5 WNW
OK
29.65 30.15 30.14 25.15 clear 10.00

14:53 48.0 21.0 37.6 34 6 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

13:53 46.0 23.0 37.0 40 10 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

12:53 45.0 24.1 36.8 43 12 WSW
OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

11:53 42.1 25.0 35.4 50 9 WSW
OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

10:53 39.9 25.0 34.2 55 10 WSW
OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

9:53 37.9 24.1 32.8 57 8 WSW
OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

8:53 34.0 25.0 30.7 69 7 WSW
OK
29.75 30.25 30.24 25.24 clear 8.00

7:53 21.9 18.0 20.8 84 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.24 25.24 fog 5.00

6:53 21.0 19.0 20.4 92 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 7.00

5:53 21.0 18.0 20.1 88 0

OK
29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 8.00

4:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 8.00

3:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 7.00

2:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.79 30.30 30.29 25.28 clear 8.00

1:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

0:53 24.1 21.0 23.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

23:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0

OK
29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 8.00

University of Utah MesoWest
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I really don't care if you think the University of Utah is "in on it". Go find some other official source, ie. National Weather Service data, if you don't like Utah or universities in general. Thing is, most official sources require a subscription and are fee based, at least in terms of historical data. So most if not all of the official data available for free is only available from universities.
But again, it's all irrelevant if you consider the fact that the entire town would need to be lying if nothing really happened there at Sandy Hook and if all of those kids and families were actors who staged the entire event at some warmer location, while forgetting that they needed warm clothing if it was supposed to be occuring in a New England town on a winter day.
There are MANY real contradictions and aspects of the event which raise serious questions, but the fact a few kids weren't bundled up in winter coats isn't one of them.
You are free to believe whatever you want, but if you wish to be taken seriously, perhaps you should spend more time on the serious issues rather than highly improbable scenarios which defy logic and reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-12 12:42:29 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: FormerLurker, titorite, Jethro Tull (#86) (Edited)
Before I answer your latest round of stuff, I'm going to test my handy-dandy "Video and Photographic Record + Analyses and Newtown Weather Reports" portable-template that I made in case those references get moved off the page with lots of postings in this subject. That way, I can access the info as needed with a one-click link of this Post # and so can anyone else who wants to check it or transfer it. Ping to notify those whose valuable input is included therein:
4um Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes [video and pictorial record + analyses and weather report postings re: the alleged shooting at Sandy Hook Elem.]
Video and pictorial record postings:

Post #62; videos and pic posted by GreyLmist
Post #66; pic posted by titorite
Post #67; pics and video posted by GreyLmist
Link for Pic #13 at Post #67
Description Edit here to include an additional notation, after the semi-colon, for Pic #13 at Post #67: Man in a purple shirt, woman in a white and blue shirt; + child in background wearing a short sleeve shirt (maybe another shirt with long sleeves) and no coat

Video and pictorial analyses + weather reports:

Post #63; analysis by titorite of pic at the bottom of Post #62
Post #65; analysis by Jethro Tull of pic at the bottom of Post #62
Post #66; analysis by titorite of the pic he posted there
Post #68; Newtown weather report for Dec 14 and summary of those conditions for the day linked by GreyLmist
Post #70; Newtown weather reports for Dec 14 and Dec 15 linked by GreyLmist (with a summary printout of the Dec 14 conditions reported and also a summary of reported conditions from midnight through 10 a.m. on Dec 15) re: analysis of the pic posted by titorite at Post #66

Weather reports are referenced as observed at Danbury Municipal Airport, an official weather station nearby. Contact that official weather station and friendlyforecast.com if further verification of that data is needed.
Edited for punctuation + paragraph 1.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-13 15:08:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: GreyLmist (#87)
Weather reports are referenced as observed at Danbury Municipal Airport, an official weather station nearby. Contact that official weather station and friendlyforecast.com if further verification of that data is needed

Perhaps you should take your own advice. The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.
But like I said, you're squabbling over a non sequitur (ie., the temperature being different by a few degrees at 10 AM doesn't PROVE that all the police, town folks, and news media fabricated this event and filmed it off in some warmer location).
Do you seriously think all of this could have been done without anyone in the town coming forward and stating that none of it happened, it was all done somewhere else?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-14 21:47:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Itistoolate, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, RickyJ, randge, Lod, TommyTheMadArtist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, all, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#88)
Here's this:

"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-14 22:12:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: FormerLurker (#88) (Edited)
The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.

This place has alot of 911 truthers here and we tend to distrust national "official" sources because we know they have lied before time and again and shall again too until their demise.....

I am leary VERY leary of people that invoke officialdom.

I may of been wrong about you just being misguided,,,,shit... I can be wrong.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 2:09:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: wudidiz (#89)
That looks ok.. a bit long... I've skimmed through a good bit .....
it is interesting if a bit cliche in musical choices at times..
I'd like to see bullet point versions.
Stuff good for passing around offices and such.
If anyone reading this runs an office why aint you pumping this out in your friday social day emails?
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 2:34:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: titorite (#90)
I am leary VERY leary of people that invoke officialdom.

So I guess any ole numbers will do, if they come from any ole source other than official ones, right?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-15 19:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: titorite (#90)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-15 19:05:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: FormerLurker (#93)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?

I think it does not matter if I respond to you or not.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 19:28:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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