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Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes
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URL Source: http://www.sandyhookhoax.com/
Published: Dec 31, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-31 11:41:43 by wudidiz
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#2. To: wudidiz, Itistoolate, noone222 (#0)
This story gets stranger by the day.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 13:18:51 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#3. To: All (#2)
Family photo of slain teacher Vicki Soto.

FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 13:26:59 ET (1 image) Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#24. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Family photo of slain teacher Vicki Soto.

Saw a video on the occult issues that commented on the "oto" part of her last name possibly indicating the O.T.O. initials for Ordo Templi Orientis/Order of the Temple of the East.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 4:12:17 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#31. To: GreyLmist (#24)
Saw a video on the occult issues that commented on the "oto" part of her last name possibly indicating the O.T.O. initials for Ordo Templi Orientis/Order of the Temple of the East.

Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 15:43:19 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#32. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, Parrot on Speed Dial (#31)
Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?

GreyLmist and Parrot,
I do tend to agree with FL's tongue-in-cheek observation. Please note that FL and I rarely agree on anything.
While referencing the Occult with friends after knocking back several brewskies might evoke considerable interest in that setting, introducing the Occult to sober people as support for a theory that there's more than meets the eye regarding 9-11, Sandy Hook massacre, etc will tend to throw dust and damage the credibility of your original supposition.
Just saying....

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-02 16:07:58 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#40. To: scrapper2, FormerLurker, Parrot on Speed Dial, wudidiz (#32) (Edited)
FormerLurker: Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?

scrapper2: GreyLmist and Parrot,
I do tend to agree with FL's tongue-in-cheek observation. Please note that FL and I rarely agree on anything.
While referencing the Occult with friends after knocking back several brewskies might evoke considerable interest in that setting, introducing the Occult to sober people as support for a theory that there's more than meets the eye regarding 9-11, Sandy Hook massacre, etc will tend to throw dust and damage the credibility of your original supposition.
Just saying....

scrapper, if you entered this thread at the point of my one sentence reply at Post #24 on what FL had presented and innocuously dubbed as a family-photo of Vicki Soto, I can understand why you mistakenly got the impression, which you apparently did, that I had "drunkenly" introduced the occult angle here and with no basis. What you've described as FL's "tongue-in-cheek observation" (as if a credible rebuttal to my making overmuch, seemingly, about nothing) is actually a backhanded-strawman swipe from FL -- for no apparent reason that I can fathom other than to cause confusion and conflict over what was, until then, simply a conversationally supportive remark (from my video observations) on the occult angle that FL had enlarged upon here after Newtown's Masonic-org medical care complex was noted at Post #1.
Beginning at Post #2, FL presented a 7.5 minute video of Newtown as a major hub of Satanism and then presented the horned hand-gestured Soto family-photo at Post #3, which I made a short comment on 21 posts later. In the meantime, FL had said at Post #6 (as if unaware of the redundant circularity of their opinion) that they were still not convinced the Sandy Hook parents are actors but COULD be Satanists, when their own 7.5 minute video at Post #2 had described Satanists precisely as a network of actors pretending in society that they aren't such. Rather than kick up dust argumentatively by asking FL if they had even watched their own video, I tried to simply show a corroborative example of other investigative research along the very same lines that FL had themself injected into the discussion -- not me or ~~Parrot on Speed Dial~~ Parrot with speed dial either; who had offered their insight-confirmations on the occult issue to me and wudidiz and not to dispute FL or go off-topic of what FL had turned attentions to in this subject multiple times.
And now, here we are in a mixed up mess at the bottom of FL's slippery slope as if they had nothing at all to do with any of that -- just us other "woo-hoos" or whatever -- and you claiming agreement with FL's sarcastic swing. Please try to not be misused so again for their confrontational manuevers, scrapper. Just sayin' and good luck on that.
Edited paragraph 1 + formatting, punctuation and spelling.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 20:56:09 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#42. To: GreyLmist (#40)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head.

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 21:44:35 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#52. To: FormerLurker (#42)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head.

It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved -- and for no logical reason, imo, other than to smite in spite. It is you who are grasping at absurdity straws and jumping strangely to transmute accusingly even a benevolent, corroborative comment made conversationally (on a topic you yourself had inserted here) into something warranting enmity and a targeted strike from you. Evidently (and typically again of you), even my short, one sentence comment wasn't really comprehensively read by you but you've misread much into it, as usual. FYI: I'm not the analyst who interpreted the "oto" letters as a possible Satanic signal in the name of a possibly fictitious character or Crisis Actor. I merely relayed, as a gesture of support, an abbreviated summary on their video-assessment of it to you in response to the horned hand-gesture signal-issues that you had presented as a meaningfully relevant observation in this discussion. I'm not clear on why you've arbitrarily drawn the line of meaningful occult observation at your input only but go ahead and stomp and swipe like an agitated ogre over it, if you insist on manifesting so. I'll just laugh at your shows of force.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 23:05:57 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#58. To: GreyLmist, scrapper2 (#52) (Edited)
It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved

Just as in your little circle of pals, you are guilty of projecting your own faults onto others, specifically, those who disagree with you and/or call you on your far fetched schemes.
To see something sinister in a common name is beyond rational. I doubt you would make those claims to people in real life as they may well view you as certifiably insane.
Oh boo hoo hoo, I told you that you were off the deep end because you tried to claim Victoria Soto was satanic JUST BECAUSE the three letters of her name ends with "oto".
That I tried to inject a bit of humor rubs you the wrong way, and now I'm all sorts of bad things.
Now I should get ready for your fellow gang of misfits to come tell me I'm an asshole, a jerk, and all sorts of other things because I popped your little balloon.
You folks are all very quick to pounce on others over perceived wrongs, but cry like little drama queens when someone tries to speak to you as if you were actually adults.

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:25:48 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#60. To: FormerLurker (#58) (Edited)
That post was made yesterday, almost 24 hours ago, in response to your whirlwind wardances in-process then over a short, conversational sentence about somebody else's interpretation of the 3 "oto" letters, as well as a 3 word file-summary comment posted by me, "Noting a resemblance". Since then, I thought we had reached an amicable understanding and had hoped, if I replied to your post here on the issues of the boy, Bear, and his family that you would have the presence of mind to remember that prior conflict was over with -- or so I thought but, apparently, I was wrong about you having that much rationality and composure. Oh, well. I think that's your problem, not mine.
Edited sentence 1 + for grammar and punctuation.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 23:14:20 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#61. To: GreyLmist (#60)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-04 1:46:58 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#62. To: FormerLurker (#61) (Edited)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.

Ok, then. I apologize for the curt reply but would like to suggest a quick check of the posting-date stamp logs before dashing off an unnecessarily overheated message. While I'm here again, am using this time to list some video examples for the record that I've noticed of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them even in short sleeve, summery shirts. View at the YouTube sites:
At least 27 dead, including 18 children, in Connecticut school shooting - YouTube
At 0:21 children walking in a line with no coat
Girl in no coat and adult female in short sleeve summer shirt at 1:24
Girl in short sleeves at 1:31 and man at 2:06 in white shirt
Connecticut Shooting: Parents React Dec 14th, 2012
At 0:44 girl in white shirt
At 2:20 woman in short sleeve summer shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
At 2:08 female in white shirt
At 2:23 and 2:26 children in short sleeve shirts
US school shooting: Children tell of terror
At 0:22 boy in green shirt with scarf but no coat; 0:36 girl in white shirt
At 1:10-1:20 several with no coat, including a baby boy in green shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
Baby in green shirt with no coat at 1:21; also seen in the previous video and the one below
Man in background wearing short sleeve summer shirt at 1:52
Sandy Hook Massacre Exposed? (With Evidence) 1/2
At 12:17 shirt sleeves, including baby boy in green shirt
Edited for video notations, time-stamp markers and sequence order. Also to add this child in no coat pic example not seen in those videos:

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 4:52:17 ET (1 image) Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#65. To: GreyLmist, 4um, *The Pending Gun Grab* (#62)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-04 9:52:56 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#65) (Edited)

This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...

titorite posted on 2013-01-04 14:31:14 ET (1 image) Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#70. To: titorite (#66) (Edited)
[Link for posted New York Daily News pic captioned: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported aftere shooting rampage.]
This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...

Good points. The temperature was below freezing there from 7 p.m. on Dec 14 until 10 a.m. on Dec 15 and the nydailynews.com article linked below shows the pic you posted, with the article time stamped Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM.

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self
Published: Friday, December 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
Updated: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM
Pic link: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported after shooting rampage. | JB Nicholas for New York Daily News

Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
That weather report is also referenced above at Post #68 in this thread via the link to Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver. This is an excerpted summary by me copied from that thread-posting for the weather conditions on that day:

From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through [Edit to add: the hour of] 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.

This is a link for the Newtown weather conditions on December 15, 2012. From midnight until the hour of 10 a.m., the temperature there was in the 20s; 26 degrees at midnight, falling steadily to 22 degrees by 5 a.m. where it stayed until 10 a.m.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
Edited to shorten sentence 2.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:08:01 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull, All (#70)
It comes down to this. If you believe that an entire town that has been incorporated since 1711 doesn't really exist, and that the people there don't really exist, just because a few people aren't bundled up with heavy winter jackets in a New England town on a mild day in December where the temperatures at the time were in the 40's, well, believe what you wish to believe.
We've been over the weather before GL, and you KNOW that the temperatures were in the 40's at the time those pictures were taken. MOST people have light jackets or sweatshirts on (including some of those kids you claim have "thin shirts" on, where in reality they're wearing an outer shirt over a long sleeve undershirt). One or two people have t-shirts on. I see that often enough when the temps are in that range, and not just in New England.
I don't know what pleasure you derive from these gyrations, and I really don't care. But you are apparently obsessed with convincing people this had to have happened in a Hollywood studio, it just couldn't have happened otherwise.
And JT, I'm highly surprised you're apparently following the "it was all done in the studio" road, where you actually live or lived in NYC, knowing how the people react to temperatures in that range.
Not just that, but don't you think people in that town would say, "hey, that isn't what happened, we don't know those people, that isn't really Newtown", etc.?
And IF "they" HAD decided to do this all in a "studio", going through the trouble of gathering all these people into various scenes, don't you think they'd think about what sort of clothes they "should" have been wearing?
Seeing this trend of cognitive dissonance amongst those who I thought would know better, hell, I think there's absolutely no hope left for any of us. We have been defeated.

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:34:41 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#73. To: All (#72)
In my opinion, all of this "lookie here, people are wearing this sort of shirt, so it MUST have been done in a studio and none of it is real", is a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?
B) Focus attention on a straw man argument which can easily be knocked down, not only diverting attention away from questions such as those described in A above, but also causing the general public to view any "conspiracy theorists (ie. those who question the official story) as being bat shit crazy.
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:48:28 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)
a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?

The title of this thread is about holes in the official story -- not the only valid questions are yours above except when you want to point out that Newtown is a Satanist hub.
Edited for clarity.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-09 14:39:35 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
GL, do you not think these things out before you proclaim them as viable scenarios? Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-09 23:37:38 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#76)
Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?

I've already explained to you before -- at least once and maybe twice -- that I've never said it was all filmed in a studio so I don't think I need to repeat that for us. I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:02:17 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#80. To: GreyLmist (#78)
I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.

So what ARE you trying to accomplish with all these weather reports and pictures of students in sweatshirts, with a few in t-shirts?
You ARE trying to say that this was filmed or televised from somewhere other than Newtown, aren't you?
Do you think the town of Newtown CT doesn't really exist? Because if it did, don't you think people there would notice if none of this really happened?
Incidently, don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?

FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-10 23:24:35 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#82. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#80)
don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?

At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-11 6:24:06 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.

Do you take drugs? Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.

RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 11:27:31 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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#84. To: RickyJ (#83)
Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.

There were 6 children alleged to have run out of the school at approx. 9:35 a.m., the time of the alleged shooting -- to Gene Rosen's house (4um video reference). He claims they were sitting in an orderly way on his lawn/at the end of his driveway...when the weather there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. (Newtown weather report reference for Dec 14. Scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page.); presumably having fled the school without their coats but not described as shivering from the cold. I'm supposing that's what you're talking about because, otherwise, the depicted children without coats were mostly shown to be rather calmly walking, standing around, and giving interviews outdoors some time after the alleged lone gunman reportedly killed himself. So, I'm not seeing your argument as explanatory.

GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-12 00:13:07 ET Reply Untrace Trace Private Reply
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