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Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes
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URL Source: http://www.sandyhookhoax.com/
Published: Dec 31, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-31 11:41:43 by wudidiz
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#69. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#68)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-06 12:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: titorite (#66) (Edited)
[Link for posted New York Daily News pic captioned: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported aftere shooting rampage.]
This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...

Good points. The temperature was below freezing there from 7 p.m. on Dec 14 until 10 a.m. on Dec 15 and the nydailynews.com article linked below shows the pic you posted, with the article time stamped Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM.

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self
Published: Friday, December 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
Updated: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM
Pic link: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported after shooting rampage. | JB Nicholas for New York Daily News

Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
That weather report is also referenced above at Post #68 in this thread via the link to Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver. This is an excerpted summary by me copied from that thread-posting for the weather conditions on that day:

From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through [Edit to add: the hour of] 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.

This is a link for the Newtown weather conditions on December 15, 2012. From midnight until the hour of 10 a.m., the temperature there was in the 20s; 26 degrees at midnight, falling steadily to 22 degrees by 5 a.m. where it stayed until 10 a.m.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
Edited to shorten sentence 2.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:08:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

You're welcome, JT. Good to know that you think it of interest.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull, All (#70)
It comes down to this. If you believe that an entire town that has been incorporated since 1711 doesn't really exist, and that the people there don't really exist, just because a few people aren't bundled up with heavy winter jackets in a New England town on a mild day in December where the temperatures at the time were in the 40's, well, believe what you wish to believe.
We've been over the weather before GL, and you KNOW that the temperatures were in the 40's at the time those pictures were taken. MOST people have light jackets or sweatshirts on (including some of those kids you claim have "thin shirts" on, where in reality they're wearing an outer shirt over a long sleeve undershirt). One or two people have t-shirts on. I see that often enough when the temps are in that range, and not just in New England.
I don't know what pleasure you derive from these gyrations, and I really don't care. But you are apparently obsessed with convincing people this had to have happened in a Hollywood studio, it just couldn't have happened otherwise.
And JT, I'm highly surprised you're apparently following the "it was all done in the studio" road, where you actually live or lived in NYC, knowing how the people react to temperatures in that range.
Not just that, but don't you think people in that town would say, "hey, that isn't what happened, we don't know those people, that isn't really Newtown", etc.?
And IF "they" HAD decided to do this all in a "studio", going through the trouble of gathering all these people into various scenes, don't you think they'd think about what sort of clothes they "should" have been wearing?
Seeing this trend of cognitive dissonance amongst those who I thought would know better, hell, I think there's absolutely no hope left for any of us. We have been defeated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:34:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: All (#72)
In my opinion, all of this "lookie here, people are wearing this sort of shirt, so it MUST have been done in a studio and none of it is real", is a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?
B) Focus attention on a straw man argument which can easily be knocked down, not only diverting attention away from questions such as those described in A above, but also causing the general public to view any "conspiracy theorists (ie. those who question the official story) as being bat shit crazy.
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:48:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: FormerLurker (#73)
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.

Thanks you for your permission and blessing to fight back in this revolution against the tyranny Former Lurker. Indeed every single other attempt to address grievances of the US people has fallen upon deaf tyrant ears.
If the system be to broken to fix from with in then a few grenades and firebombs from the outside ought to fix things up. Excellent suggestion on your part my friend.
___FIRE
titorite posted on 2013-01-09 2:45:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)
a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?

The title of this thread is about holes in the official story -- not the only valid questions are yours above except when you want to point out that Newtown is a Satanist hub.
Edited for clarity.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-09 14:39:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
GL, do you not think these things out before you proclaim them as viable scenarios? Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-09 23:37:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: GreyLmist (#67) (Edited)

i guess at least one of those pics is a fake
"...Drill before the event: A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill event that took place some months prior to the event itself...."

Sandy Hook: US State-Fabricated Terror
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=62991
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2013-01-10 5:11:32 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#76)
Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?

I've already explained to you before -- at least once and maybe twice -- that I've never said it was all filmed in a studio so I don't think I need to repeat that for us. I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:02:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#77)
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".

I was wondering where you've been. Thanks for the link and your thoughts. They are terrorizing the psyches of the children with their BlackOp/PsyWar routines.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:44:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: GreyLmist (#78)
I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.

So what ARE you trying to accomplish with all these weather reports and pictures of students in sweatshirts, with a few in t-shirts?
You ARE trying to say that this was filmed or televised from somewhere other than Newtown, aren't you?
Do you think the town of Newtown CT doesn't really exist? Because if it did, don't you think people there would notice if none of this really happened?
Incidently, don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-10 23:24:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Like Alex at infowars ways, "there is a war for your mind." People peddling BS are front line soldiers in that war for your mind. Mass mind control on scale never seen before in human history is taking place right now. IMO Alex is one of the soldiers of the elite in this war for your mind. All I know is if Obama signs an executive order banning certain guns I think the shit will hit the fan and there will be a violent uprising to kill any law enforcement officer or soldier that tries to enforce this ban.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 0:37:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#80)
don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?

At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-11 6:24:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.

Do you take drugs? Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 11:27:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: RickyJ (#83)
Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.

There were 6 children alleged to have run out of the school at approx. 9:35 a.m., the time of the alleged shooting -- to Gene Rosen's house (4um video reference). He claims they were sitting in an orderly way on his lawn/at the end of his driveway...when the weather there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. (Newtown weather report reference for Dec 14. Scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page.); presumably having fled the school without their coats but not described as shivering from the cold. I'm supposing that's what you're talking about because, otherwise, the depicted children without coats were mostly shown to be rather calmly walking, standing around, and giving interviews outdoors some time after the alleged lone gunman reportedly killed himself. So, I'm not seeing your argument as explanatory.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-12 0:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#82) (Edited)
At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m.

Not true. At 11 AM the temperature was 39.9 F, and at 10 AM the temperature was 37.9 F, as per the official National Weather Service data for Danbury Municipal Airport. Do you think the temperature instantly jumped to 40 degrees at 11 AM from 34.0 F at 9 AM? Whether you wish to believe that or not, I don't really care, I'm just going by the official weather rather than some private website which may or may not reflect the actual recorded data 100%.
Another mistake you are making is that the children weren't evacuated as soon as the shooting was reported at 9:35 AM. The building wasn't reported as "clear" till 9:53, so those kids weren't evacuated till after 10 AM.
But, so what? The question is, do you honestly think nothing really happened in Newtown, and that the entire population of the town would go along with false reports of an event of this scale if it didn't really happen there, it was all filmed somewhere else as a hoax?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-12 12:28:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: GreyLmist (#82)
From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR
Tabular Listing: December 14, 2012 - 0:00 through December 15, 2012 - 00:00 EST
Time(EST) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility

Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check

pressure

Pressure conditions

° F ° F ° F % mph

in in in in

miles

23:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

22:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00

21:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

20:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW
OK
29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00

19:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

18:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0

OK
29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00

17:53 33.1 24.1 29.8 69 0

OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

16:53 37.9 23.0 32.4 54 0

OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

15:53 46.0 19.9 36.3 35 5 WNW
OK
29.65 30.15 30.14 25.15 clear 10.00

14:53 48.0 21.0 37.6 34 6 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

13:53 46.0 23.0 37.0 40 10 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

12:53 45.0 24.1 36.8 43 12 WSW
OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

11:53 42.1 25.0 35.4 50 9 WSW
OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

10:53 39.9 25.0 34.2 55 10 WSW
OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

9:53 37.9 24.1 32.8 57 8 WSW
OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

8:53 34.0 25.0 30.7 69 7 WSW
OK
29.75 30.25 30.24 25.24 clear 8.00

7:53 21.9 18.0 20.8 84 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.24 25.24 fog 5.00

6:53 21.0 19.0 20.4 92 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 7.00

5:53 21.0 18.0 20.1 88 0

OK
29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 8.00

4:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 8.00

3:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 7.00

2:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.79 30.30 30.29 25.28 clear 8.00

1:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

0:53 24.1 21.0 23.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

23:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0

OK
29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 8.00

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I really don't care if you think the University of Utah is "in on it". Go find some other official source, ie. National Weather Service data, if you don't like Utah or universities in general. Thing is, most official sources require a subscription and are fee based, at least in terms of historical data. So most if not all of the official data available for free is only available from universities.
But again, it's all irrelevant if you consider the fact that the entire town would need to be lying if nothing really happened there at Sandy Hook and if all of those kids and families were actors who staged the entire event at some warmer location, while forgetting that they needed warm clothing if it was supposed to be occuring in a New England town on a winter day.
There are MANY real contradictions and aspects of the event which raise serious questions, but the fact a few kids weren't bundled up in winter coats isn't one of them.
You are free to believe whatever you want, but if you wish to be taken seriously, perhaps you should spend more time on the serious issues rather than highly improbable scenarios which defy logic and reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-12 12:42:29 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: FormerLurker, titorite, Jethro Tull (#86) (Edited)
Before I answer your latest round of stuff, I'm going to test my handy-dandy "Video and Photographic Record + Analyses and Newtown Weather Reports" portable-template that I made in case those references get moved off the page with lots of postings in this subject. That way, I can access the info as needed with a one-click link of this Post # and so can anyone else who wants to check it or transfer it. Ping to notify those whose valuable input is included therein:
4um Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes [video and pictorial record + analyses and weather report postings re: the alleged shooting at Sandy Hook Elem.]
Video and pictorial record postings:

Post #62; videos and pic posted by GreyLmist
Post #66; pic posted by titorite
Post #67; pics and video posted by GreyLmist
Link for Pic #13 at Post #67
Description Edit here to include an additional notation, after the semi-colon, for Pic #13 at Post #67: Man in a purple shirt, woman in a white and blue shirt; + child in background wearing a short sleeve shirt (maybe another shirt with long sleeves) and no coat

Video and pictorial analyses + weather reports:

Post #63; analysis by titorite of pic at the bottom of Post #62
Post #65; analysis by Jethro Tull of pic at the bottom of Post #62
Post #66; analysis by titorite of the pic he posted there
Post #68; Newtown weather report for Dec 14 and summary of those conditions for the day linked by GreyLmist
Post #70; Newtown weather reports for Dec 14 and Dec 15 linked by GreyLmist (with a summary printout of the Dec 14 conditions reported and also a summary of reported conditions from midnight through 10 a.m. on Dec 15) re: analysis of the pic posted by titorite at Post #66

Weather reports are referenced as observed at Danbury Municipal Airport, an official weather station nearby. Contact that official weather station and friendlyforecast.com if further verification of that data is needed.
Edited for punctuation + paragraph 1.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-13 15:08:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: GreyLmist (#87)
Weather reports are referenced as observed at Danbury Municipal Airport, an official weather station nearby. Contact that official weather station and friendlyforecast.com if further verification of that data is needed

Perhaps you should take your own advice. The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.
But like I said, you're squabbling over a non sequitur (ie., the temperature being different by a few degrees at 10 AM doesn't PROVE that all the police, town folks, and news media fabricated this event and filmed it off in some warmer location).
Do you seriously think all of this could have been done without anyone in the town coming forward and stating that none of it happened, it was all done somewhere else?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-14 21:47:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Itistoolate, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, RickyJ, randge, Lod, TommyTheMadArtist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, all, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#88)
Here's this:

"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-14 22:12:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: FormerLurker (#88) (Edited)
The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.

This place has alot of 911 truthers here and we tend to distrust national "official" sources because we know they have lied before time and again and shall again too until their demise.....

I am leary VERY leary of people that invoke officialdom.

I may of been wrong about you just being misguided,,,,shit... I can be wrong.
___FIRE
titorite posted on 2013-01-15 2:09:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: wudidiz (#89)
That looks ok.. a bit long... I've skimmed through a good bit .....
it is interesting if a bit cliche in musical choices at times..
I'd like to see bullet point versions.
Stuff good for passing around offices and such.
If anyone reading this runs an office why aint you pumping this out in your friday social day emails?
___FIRE
titorite posted on 2013-01-15 2:34:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: titorite (#90)
I am leary VERY leary of people that invoke officialdom.

So I guess any ole numbers will do, if they come from any ole source other than official ones, right?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-15 19:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: titorite (#90)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-15 19:05:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: FormerLurker (#93)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?

I think it does not matter if I respond to you or not.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 19:28:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: FormerLurker (#88)
Do you seriously think all of this could have been done without anyone in the town coming forward and stating that none of it happened, it was all done somewhere else?

Unlike you, perhaps, I haven't suggested that everybody in the town was involved.
FL at Post #1 at 4um Title: 4um Sandy Hook Cop in CT on the Contradictions, Inconsistencies & Gun Grab (best interview on the situation I have heard)

The entire event and ensuing circus is nothing but a pile of inconsistencies and contradictions.
A bottom basement B movie would have a more consistent plot and script.
Unless of course it was a horror film where the movie provides a glimpse of what was REALLY going on, such as satanic conspiracies involving the entire town, along with the local, state, and federal governments.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-16 14:07:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: FormerLurker (#88) (Edited)
The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.

We don't have to go to Utah, home State of the Parker family, for an acceptable report of the weather in Connecticut that day. Danbury Municipal Airport is an official weather station near Newtown. Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial is also an official CT weather station nearby but when I posted that as a source from friendlyforecast.com (thinking at the time that you had objected to NOAA's reference of Danbury Municipal Airport, rather than the timeframe issues), you objected that Bridgeport was too near the coast. You said at Post #25 of Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver:

why are you trying to misdirect people here with the weather for a location on the coast, whereas the weather for the town of interest can easily be found via the exact same website?
If you enter NEWTOWN CT and December 15 2012, it'll give you the weather for NEWTOWN CT on that day, and confirms that the temperature was 44 degrees with no wind for the time frame of the press conference.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
If you've ever been to New England and driven to the coast, you'd know that the weather conditions along the coast are always different than what they are a mere 5 - 10 miles or so inland. It's cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, and there is almost always a breeze, even if there is no wind at all further inland.

When you posted umpteen weather reports from Hartford, which is farther away, as well as sources like timeanddate.com and the terrorist-sounding Weather Underground, that was ok by you. And you posted the friendlyforcast.com link above yourself for Newtown instead of Bridgeport. Now you want to insist that your Utah/BYU site is the best go-to source for Newtown, CT weather reporting but I disagree. Nor do I think I have to squabble with you about it or provide a different source when people can make up their own minds on the issue. However, I did find this demo-graph from weathersource.com titled "Official Weather: Newtown, Connecticut" for station: Danbury Muni Arpt on 12/14/2012 that shows a maximum temperature of 44.0, an average temperature of 31.5 and a minimum temperature of 19.0 rather than hourly reporting stats.
On a sidenote, besides the Parker family of Newtown being connected to the Utah region you've directed us to, so is Ryan T. Murphy who is a "native of Newtown, Connecticut" (listed under the Notable people header at that link) and "attended Brigham Young University". "While a student at BYU Murphy served as an assistant to then BYU professor Mack Wilberg" and "has since March 2009 been the associate music director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, working with music director Mack Wilberg."
On another sidenote (since the alleged Sandy Hook shooting is being used to attack the 2nd Amendment like the Leftist version of the PNAC Neocon's "New Pearl Harbor" invocation soon before 9/11), I was watching a documentary recently about former CIA Director William Colby, iirc, that mentioned the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was being broadcast as Pearl Habor was bombed in December of 1941. It was interesting enough under the aforementioned circumstances, I thought, to make note of it here.
Various edits for grammar, punctuation, clarity, readability + additional link and info in next to last paragraph.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-16 16:11:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#93) (Edited)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?

Your just baggin on posters who ask and work questions which appear to threaten your control views of Sandy Hook.
There's any number of photo's which could be from the previous months school emergency drill...
or from the DHS drill at Sandy Hook fire station in 2010...or other drills we are yet to have dated records for.
The ident of Actors* present at this movie set at Sandy Hook fire station is captain obvious.
There's this creepy looking wife [small lady] with a large black man [apology for not naming them]
she has done several interviews ..even the pair holding some que card image of the child so named lost in the shooting.
The Women looks like she is about to cry....always....but does not.
she looks down alot and nods her head in sync with the narrative going on
the pouting/about to cry increases
Then she lifts her head and does this ...Boink,boink eye widening...like she was MK ultra'd....and then puts her head down and does another time period with that and pouting/about to cry.
This couple are assets with some time in preparation for the interviews.....obviously chosen for their superior ability to dupe the sheeple.
Parkervision is to goofy...so they don't keep rolling that con out .
and the other parents whose minds can't control the joy of the prizes they are getting for pulling this con off....they can't keep the smiling and happy feet still.
Like OKC...or the 86 field view CCTV from around the Pentagon...there is video from Sandy Hook school.
The State Attorney general should be demanding this be shown to the public....lets see masked Lanza enter the school and the first moments inside.

There's a picture of Obama posing with the Parker family...he's grinning ear to ear...the Parkers are animated like the plane to Disneyland is just outside.

Sandy Hook is a psy opp - off a drill...its a con....don't be fooled

stop ninnying.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-16 17:13:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: Parrot with speed dial, titorite (#97) (Edited)
like she was MK ultra'd

Edit: Link removed by me | Vimeo video, 23 mins. Warning on Expletive-usage in the commentary. Tried to listen more than watch it due to lighting FX and such.
Pinged titorite because it mentions neuro-linguistic programming, a topic he has referenced before in discussions.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-17 3:47:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: GreyLmist (#98)
I do have an amateur interest.... I am flattered you remember this about me. ... :) One moment whilst I go have me a look at the link.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-17 4:10:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: GreyLmist (#98)
Well.... it clearly starts off with some patterns of it's own. Positive patterns of anti-propaganda... I am not sure how well it might be of use... I am testing it at the moment on otherwise intelligent folk but whom have fallen completely for the organized official narrative, I'll let you know how that works.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-17 5:04:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: titorite (#100)
I decided to remove the link in case it was used unethically by anyone.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-17 7:04:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: Parrot with speed dial (#97)
Your just baggin on posters who ask and work questions which appear to threaten your control views of Sandy Hook.

Hey scatterbrain. Over the past several weeks, you've tossed out moon landings, no-planes hit the WTC towers, and now you're on the side of those saying the town of Newtown CT doesn't exist.
What sort of shit are you shooting into your veins?
Aren't the REAL facts and contradictions sexy enough for you? Do you really NEED to grasp at the most ridiculous tangents and far fetched improbable ideas to make yourself feel like "part of the gang"?
Hey, maybe the "fake" cops, kids, and parents were really producing the live video from Mars, right? Why not, shit, we can't prevent anyone from thinking whatever they want and posting it here on 4um, so it MUST be true.
Funny how when I post ACTUAL FACTS, such as the matter of multiple shooters reported and the murder weapon ie. the "assault rifle", was either locked in the trunk of a drug dealer's car or not found in the area period, you totally ignore those things and jump on "it was all done in a studio, produced by CNN and NBC, etc...
WTF is wrong with you and folks like you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 1:16:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#96) (Edited)

Danbury Municipal Airport is an official weather station near Newtown.
And that is the source of the data I provided. It is collected by the National Weather Service and provided to universities for historical research purposes.
The site YOU use is some fly by night site which contains whatever they feel like posting.
On a sidenote, besides the Parker family of Newtown being connected to the Utah region you've directed us to, so is Ryan T. Murphy who is a "native of Newtown, Connecticut" (listed under the Notable people header at that link) and "attended Brigham Young University". "While a student at BYU Murphy served as an assistant to then BYU professor Mack Wilberg" and "has since March 2009 been the associate music director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, working with music director Mack Wilberg."

The sad thing is, some people here might actually believe that you're on to something.
So now I'm in cahoots with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, William Colby, Dick Cheney or whatever twisted fucking tale you're trying to peddle because I asked you if you truly think the events of Sandy Hook were filmed in a different location, and if the entire town of Newtown CT either doesn't exist, or if the entire town is lying about what happened.
And now the entire state of Utah, its university, and a well known Internet weather source (WeatherUnderground) is ALSO involved in the conspiracy, just because you say so.
I have news for you. The University of Utah is involved with weather research, and they actually do teach that stuff in school, you know, weather forecasting.
It's not something you can pick up from GreyLmist or titorite on Freedom4um, no matter how loud you scream or stomp your feet.
I asked you to find a REPUTABLE source, yet you insist that "Friendlyforecast" is not only reputable, but that it's the ONLY place on earth where you can get "reliable" data.
As far as I know, that "Friendlyforecast" site is a disinfo site that you personally own or are somehow affiliated with, where you can insert your own "data" at your leisure to "prove" something on an Internet forum such as here whenever you feel the need to twist something your way.
And of course you are now trying to say that the National Weather Serice itself is "unreliable", yet some fly by night shady outfit is 100% true and accurate.
I don't know if you've intimidated the other posters on this forum to the point they're afraid to call you on your bullshit, but you certainly have the faucet turned up full blast, and apparently only me and RickyJ have the nerve to stand up to your tirades of lies and misdirection.
So what IS your point to all this? You refuse to answer the question of whether or not you believe that the event was filmed elsewhere, implying either the town of Newtown CT doesn't exist, or it is filled with actors and the real townspeople were knocked off.
Or is it that they are all lying? Can you at least clear that up?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 1:39:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: GreyLmist (#96)
Various edits for grammar, punctuation, clarity, readability + additional link and info in next to last paragraph.

Here we are with a looming assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, and outright civil war, triggered by a staged event, and you're here posting thousands of posts about weather reports, trying to convince everyone that nothing at all happened at Sandy Hook, everyone involved were all "actors" filming in a far away location.
You're doing a stand up job of diverting people away from the HARD FACTS which if they were honestly looked at and called into question by the media, they'd blow this thing wide open.
So, as far as I can tell, YOU and a few of your "pals" here ARE involved with the event in that you are steering people away from REAL questions and ACTUAL facts, causing them to waste their efforts on straw men and red herrings.
And oh yes, you have an obsession with trying to discredit my character and honesty, since I've been posting REAL facts and calling into question ACTUAL contradictions with both THIS story AND 9/11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 1:51:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: FormerLurker (#103)
I feel sorry for people that fall for her lame stuff. She isn't even very good at it. BeAChooser at least tried to seem legit. I guess the pay isn't as good as it was back then.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-18 1:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: FormerLurker (#104) (Edited)
Please quit.

Please?
For the love of god no more teasing us with your fake iQuit rants no more BS words on you. No more dicking around, just please quit.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-18 2:11:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: FormerLurker, Ricky J (#104)
FL: Here we are with a looming assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, and outright civil war, triggered by a staged event, and you're here posting thousands of posts about weather reports, trying to convince everyone that nothing at all happened at Sandy Hook, everyone involved were all "actors" filming in a far away location.
Ricky J: I feel sorry for people that fall for her lame stuff. She isn't even very good at it.

You know, you guys might be on to something.
Deflection and over loading with minutiae, not to mention looney theories, which would immediately serve to discredit legitimate concerns about the convenient events that occurred within 6 months of each other @ Aurora and Sandy Hook...
Makes one wonder if there's some method to all of this extraneous load of ...
Maybe it's not only Shooonra ( so obvious) in 4um's midst - another actively misdirecting discussions to deem this a "kook" site.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-18 2:21:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: titorite (#106)
Please quit.
Please?

Perhaps your personal affections blind you.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-18 2:22:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: titorite (#106)
Please quit.
Please?

Quit? Quit what, defending myself against lame assed accusations, or quit trying to ask your girlfriend what it is she's trying to say?
For the love of god no more teasing us with your fake iQuit rants no more BS words on you. No more dicking around, just please quit.
Why don't you go investigate the "it was all filmed on Mars" angle. I'm sure you'll be right on it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 2:42:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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