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Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes
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URL Source: http://www.sandyhookhoax.com/
Published: Dec 31, 2012
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Post Date: 2012-12-31 11:41:43 by wudidiz
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#1. To: wudidiz (#0) (Edited)

When I clicked on the link that stated the police immediately searched every nook and cranny this ad was on the upper right side of the page that the article was on.
Masonic-care ???
I went back to get the url in order to post it and the ad had changed.
I tried it again and had to refresh it several times but the ad did come up again.
Treason has conspired with Greed and colluded with Murderers to overthrow "OUR" country.
"Bankers" - Kill em all and let Satan sort em out" !!!
noone222 posted on 2012-12-31 12:31:49 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: wudidiz, Itistoolate, noone222 (#0)
This story gets stranger by the day.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 13:18:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: All (#2)
Family photo of slain teacher Vicki Soto.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 13:26:59 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: FormerLurker (#2)
Good find, thank you.
Notice the p.o. box 210666 at about 3:55
Does this mean you've worked past the cognitive dissonance and recognize the parents' acting?

Regardless, the fact that the home of satanism is Newton Connecticut is astonishing, isn't it? I mean, of all the towns in the U.S....
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 13:41:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: wudidiz, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0)
Instead of demanding action in the form of confiscating guns, talking heads on TV networks should be demanding answers to very real questions concerning the events surrounding Sandy Hook Elementary.
Where's the security video? It would show exactly who walked into the school prior to the shootings. Where was the AR-15 found, and has it been tested for ballistics?
Why were there 4 handguns found in the school, and why did early reports claim that Lanza's mother worked at the school and was shot there, where in reality she had no connection to the school and was shot in her home?
This smells worse than 9/11 and the Aurora shootings combined.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 13:43:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: wudidiz (#4)
Does this mean you've worked past the cognitive dissonance and recognize the parents' acting?

Wud, being critical of information found on the Internet OR on television doesn't equate to "cognitive dissonance", it is simply not lapping up every shred of disinformation placed out there by those with an agenda.
I try to verify any dubious claims prior to accepting them as bonafide factual evidence, especially before trying to convince others that those claims have merit.
I'm still not convinced the parents are "actors". They COULD be satanists however. Apparently, Newtown is rife with them.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 13:48:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: FormerLurker (#6)
I'm still not convinced the parents are "actors". They COULD be satanists however. Apparently, Newtown is rife with them.

Good enough.
If there were no children killed they're actors.
Question:
Were there any broken (gunshot) school windows?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 13:54:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: FormerLurker (#6)
"cognitive dissonance"

At least one of us is experiencing it ;)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 13:55:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: wudidiz (#7)
If there were no children killed they're actors.
Why do you believe that no children were killed? Is it just because you weren't there to see it happen?
Were there any broken (gunshot) school windows?
Don't know, since I wasn't there. It's obvious that there is a slew of false information being tossed out concerning this event, and not much in the way of hard evidence, except for the fact that most of the news reports conflict with each other.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 14:07:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: wudidiz (#8)
At least one of us is experiencing it ;)

You need to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff wudidiz. Believing every tale you hear on the Internet isn't healthy or conducive to uncovering the truth of the situation.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 14:09:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: FormerLurker (#9)
Why do you believe that no children were killed? Is it just because you weren't there to see it happen?

It's the most likely reason for parents acting. It's the most likely reason for All the acting.
There were no broken windows. "Hundreds of shots" and NOT. ONE. BROKEN WINDOW.
Not one witness of gunshots.
Odd.
Seems to me as though if there was even one child killed that at least one person would have heard gunshots.
Maybe I'm just too skeptical....
FL, this "parent" was texted from cbs:

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 14:12:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: wudidiz (#11)
Seems to me as though if there was even one child killed that at least one person would have heard gunshots.

Um, did you miss the 911 tapes regarding shots fired at the school, and the reports of gunfire from survivors?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 14:14:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: FormerLurker (#10)
Believing every tale you hear on the Internet isn't healthy or conducive to uncovering the truth of the situation.

It's painfully obvious to me that they're actors.
Maybe if you and I were both sitting beside each other we could watch each youtube vid together and analyze it point by point, but until then you're left alone with your own sense of discernment.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 14:15:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: FormerLurker (#12)
Um, did you miss the 911 tapes regarding shots fired at the school,

Yeah, and the cops showed up 20 minutes later.

and the reports of gunfire from survivors?

Vid, please? :)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 14:18:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: FL, All (#14)
Vid, please? :)

This might take a while ;)
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 14:27:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: wudidiz (#14)
I'll see what I can dig up, but it won't be this minute, I've a lot to do concerning real work before the day's over.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2012-12-31 14:32:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: FormerLurker (#16)
I'll see what I can dig up

Good luck.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 14:36:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: noone222 (#1)
www.masonicare.org/retire...community/lockwood-lodge/
jobs.masonicare.org/newtown-jobs
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 15:01:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: noone222, All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#18)
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"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2012-12-31 15:04:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: wudidiz (#15)
I have one question wud. How did those children end up with rifle bullets in them if there were no shots fired?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-01 19:48:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: wudidiz (#17)
Here you go wud. If you do a Google search, you'll find tons more.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-01 19:50:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: wudidiz (#15)
Here's some witness reports wud...
Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher.
"That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he told The Associated Press. "He was very brave."
One student told NBC Connecticut she was in the gym when she heard “seven loud booms.”
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-01 19:53:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: FormerLurker, wudidiz (#21) (Edited)
Here you go wud. If you do a Google search, you'll find tons more.
[video]

wudidiz didn't ask for a video of gunfire at the school reported by the media, FL. He asked for a video with reports of gunfire from survivors. They've reported sounds but only one boy that I know of claims to have seen what he thought were bullets going past the hall that he was next to, then says a teacher pulled him into her classroom. He didn't actually see gunshots; said it sounded like someone was kicking the door, not gunshots, and didn't see anyone hurt. However, he is one of the many examples of children and adults [Edit to add: allegedly outdoors] in the area that day with no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt on -- just a thin, summery shirt.
Newtown Teacher Saved Boy From 'Bullets Going By Him' In Elementary School Shooting - with video at the top of the page
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 3:53:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Family photo of slain teacher Vicki Soto.

Saw a video on the occult issues that commented on the "oto" part of her last name possibly indicating the O.T.O. initials for Ordo Templi Orientis/Order of the Temple of the East.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 4:12:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz (#23)
wudidiz didn't ask for a video of gunfire at the school reported by the media, FL

ANY "reports of gunfire" will come from the media, since I doubt you personally know people who live in that town and can interview them yourself.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 10:35:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: GreyLmist (#23)
However, he is one of the many examples of children and adults [Edit to add: allegedly outdoors] in the area that day with no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt on -- just a thin, summery shirt.

You REALLY love to jump to odd conclusions with the flimsiest of "evidence". That kid, if it's the one I saw in the video you refer to, is wearing what could possibly be a winter/fall longsleeve double shirt. It's impossible to tell exactly since you can only see the top inch or two of his shirt, the rest of it was out of frame.
I wouldn't base my case upon it if I were trying to use it as evidence in court.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 10:39:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#25)
wudidiz didn't ask for a video of gunfire at the school reported by the media, FL
ANY "reports of gunfire" will come from the media, since I doubt you personally know people who live in that town and can interview them yourself.

You showed a vid with a girl saying she heard 7 loud booms. Could have been anything. You'd think she would have heard hundreds, don't you? Far from convincing anyway. Why isn't the media given the videos from the security cameras?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 13:17:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: wudidiz (#27)
Why isn't the media given the videos from the security cameras?

Possibly the same reason the FBI isn't releasing the Pentagon security videos from 9/11.
Unlike 9/11 Sandy Hook IS still an active investigation, but if they WANTED to show it, they damn well could and would, IF it supported the "lone gunman" theory, or in the case of 9/11, the "Flight 77 hit the Pentagon" theory.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 13:38:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: wudidiz (#27) (Edited)
In terms of gunshots wud, if there are 26 dead people with rifle wounds, I'd say there was gunfire.
WHO shot those 26 people is what the question is, especially being the murder weapon was locked in the trunk of the "lone nut's car", oh wait, it was in some drug dealer's car, or who knows where really.
Why there is so much confusion as to the facts in this case is ALSO a matter of question. Thing is, it smells of covert black op due to the conflicting reports, but it doesn't make any sense that the ENTIRE EVENT never happened.
The people behind such events have NO problem at all killing innocent people, as can be seen from past and current events.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 13:43:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: GreyLmist, wudidiz (#24)
Family photo of slain teacher Vicki Soto.
Saw a video on the occult issues that commented on the "oto" part of her last name possibly indicating the O.T.O. initials for Ordo Templi Orientis/Order of the Temple of the East.

Oh ya....Aleister Crowley and the OTO
9-11 numbers were his from his own writings....ie Airliner #'s...building floors at WTC
People who are open to gov false flag need to take the next step if they are hesitant towards the Occult [The Hidden]
The Great Seal of the United States on the US Dollar is cryptic/encoded as per nations destiny and the Path
Its no accident that Apollo** is prominent in NASA and especially the Moon [symbolic of Dominion,..dominion of the Night....the Light of Darkness]
Adolf Hitler and his occult cronies used the Zeus temple brought from ancient Pergamum/Pergama.
Obama gave a speech in Berlin in front of this.
and then had a Temple layout background for his Democratic party win.
Americans think the Great Seal speaks a message of the nations greatness and the prosperity they will all share in
They are wrong....the truth is.....this Occult points back to Zeus and Apollo
This is the unfinished work...
Washington DC is of course steeped in the Occult as per street layout,symbols,statues and numbers/lat/longitude.
The two seals interlaced.....there are 2 other interlace positions.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-02 15:37:43 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: GreyLmist (#24)
Saw a video on the occult issues that commented on the "oto" part of her last name possibly indicating the O.T.O. initials for Ordo Templi Orientis/Order of the Temple of the East.

Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 15:43:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: GreyLmist, FormerLurker, Parrot on Speed Dial (#31)
Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?

GreyLmist and Parrot,
I do tend to agree with FL's tongue-in-cheek observation. Please note that FL and I rarely agree on anything.
While referencing the Occult with friends after knocking back several brewskies might evoke considerable interest in that setting, introducing the Occult to sober people as support for a theory that there's more than meets the eye regarding 9-11, Sandy Hook massacre, etc will tend to throw dust and damage the credibility of your original supposition.
Just saying....

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-02 16:07:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: scrapper2 (#32)
Please note that FL and I rarely agree on anything

Really? I thought we were on the same page on most topics. Guess I missed the memo... :)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 16:20:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: FormerLurker (#33)
Weren't you the guy who argued with me non-stop for 30 days and 30 nights a few years ago about some forgettable issue? I think christine finally had to intervene and close the thread because it was so nauseatingly drawn out - primarily by you.
And there have been other topics that have came up since - Obamacare related I seem to recall - wherein you and I have held diametrically opposed positions.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-02 16:55:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: scrapper2 (#34)
Weren't you the guy who argued with me non-stop for 30 days and 30 nights a few years ago about some forgettable issue? I think christine finally had to intervene and close the thread because it was so nauseatingly drawn out - primarily by you.
And there have been other topics that have came up since - Obamacare related I seem to recall - wherein you and I have held diametrically opposed positions.

I think you're confusing me with someone else, unless you're in favor of Obamacare or something.
I don't recall ever getting into any "argument" over Obamacare with anyone, here on the forum or in the real world.
If you look over our posting history back and forth, there is nothing there which matches what you say, and christine never had to get involved with anything between us. Like I said, you probably have me confused with someone else, but jeez, don't be so quick to hurl accusations at someone who's not even the person you have a problem with.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 17:27:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: FormerLurker (#35)
you probably have me confused with someone else, but jeez, don't be so quick to hurl accusations at someone who's not even the person you have a problem with.

1. you are correct that I have you confused with someone else, if you checked back and did not come across any lengthy mind numbing thread with me and you have never supported Obamacare - sorry!
2. why so touchy? In my previous post, I ASKED if you were the guy who blah, blah...I did not "hurl accusations" - sheesh - take a chill pill, eh?

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-02 18:06:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: scrapper2 (#36)
2. why so touchy? In my previous post, I ASKED if you were the guy who blah, blah...I did not "hurl accusations" - sheesh - take a chill pill, eh?

Huh? You're the one who just said "Weren't you the guy who argued with me non- stop for 30 days and 30 nights a few years ago about some forgettable issue? I think christine finally had to intervene and close the thread because it was so nauseatingly drawn out - primarily by you. "
You didn't say "christine finally had to intervene and close the thread because it was so nauseatingly drawn out - primarily by whoever that guy was. ", you said "primarily by you. ".
So yeah, what do expect me to say, thank you sir may I have another?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 18:11:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: FormerLurker (#37)
Oh brother the way this thread dialogue between you and me is starting to snowball over nothing important, it all seems so jarringly familiar. Just sayin'....
Bye.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-02 18:17:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: scrapper2 (#38) (Edited)
Oh brother the way this thread dialogue between you and me is starting to snowball over nothing important, it all seems so jarringly familiar

Have you ever considered the possibility that whoever it was you argued with "for 30 days and nights" might not have been the one at fault, since you appear to be quick on the trigger?
Hey, aren't you the guy who said George W Bush was one of our finest presidents, and that 9/11 happened just like he said it did?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 18:23:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: scrapper2, FormerLurker, Parrot on Speed Dial, wudidiz (#32) (Edited)
FormerLurker: Hmmm. Did you know that the name Smith ends with "ith", which could mean "In Thy Hell", and that the first two letters, "Sm", could mean "Sadistic Murderer"?

scrapper2: GreyLmist and Parrot,
I do tend to agree with FL's tongue-in-cheek observation. Please note that FL and I rarely agree on anything.
While referencing the Occult with friends after knocking back several brewskies might evoke considerable interest in that setting, introducing the Occult to sober people as support for a theory that there's more than meets the eye regarding 9-11, Sandy Hook massacre, etc will tend to throw dust and damage the credibility of your original supposition.
Just saying....

scrapper, if you entered this thread at the point of my one sentence reply at Post #24 on what FL had presented and innocuously dubbed as a family-photo of Vicki Soto, I can understand why you mistakenly got the impression, which you apparently did, that I had "drunkenly" introduced the occult angle here and with no basis. What you've described as FL's "tongue-in-cheek observation" (as if a credible rebuttal to my making overmuch, seemingly, about nothing) is actually a backhanded-strawman swipe from FL -- for no apparent reason that I can fathom other than to cause confusion and conflict over what was, until then, simply a conversationally supportive remark (from my video observations) on the occult angle that FL had enlarged upon here after Newtown's Masonic-org medical care complex was noted at Post #1.
Beginning at Post #2, FL presented a 7.5 minute video of Newtown as a major hub of Satanism and then presented the horned hand-gestured Soto family-photo at Post #3, which I made a short comment on 21 posts later. In the meantime, FL had said at Post #6 (as if unaware of the redundant circularity of their opinion) that they were still not convinced the Sandy Hook parents are actors but COULD be Satanists, when their own 7.5 minute video at Post #2 had described Satanists precisely as a network of actors pretending in society that they aren't such. Rather than kick up dust argumentatively by asking FL if they had even watched their own video, I tried to simply show a corroborative example of other investigative research along the very same lines that FL had themself injected into the discussion -- not me or ~~Parrot on Speed Dial~~ Parrot with speed dial either; who had offered their insight-confirmations on the occult issue to me and wudidiz and not to dispute FL or go off-topic of what FL had turned attentions to in this subject multiple times.
And now, here we are in a mixed up mess at the bottom of FL's slippery slope as if they had nothing at all to do with any of that -- just us other "woo-hoos" or whatever -- and you claiming agreement with FL's sarcastic swing. Please try to not be misused so again for their confrontational manuevers, scrapper. Just sayin' and good luck on that.
Edited paragraph 1 + formatting, punctuation and spelling.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 20:56:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Parrot with speed dial (#40)
Ping to Post #40. Had misspelled your name in my post and the To: address line. Sorry about that.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 21:28:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: GreyLmist (#40)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 21:44:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#42)
There's nothing wrong with looking at All the data, leaving no rock unturned, to be meticulously thorough. Especially if there aren't really any conclusions being drawn.
Maybe it's you who's jumping to conclusions here, FL. You seem to be quick to play the devil's advocate and incline to the offcial story. Using news reports as evidence and attacking any noncomformist idea like one of those dogs that barks and lunges at everyone for no apparent reason. Take a chill pill indeed. You're not obliged to determine the outcome of any investigation.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 22:02:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: wudidiz (#43) (Edited)
Like I said to GL, wudidz, watch out for people whose last name is Smith, they might be satanic murderers, or is it sadistic murderers. Either way, they are in thy hell.
It's about as logical as trying to say the victim, Victoria Soto, might be satanic because her last name ends with oto.
It's one thing to notice the devil sign coming from people in the town of Newtown CT, including kids, but a totally different thing to suspect satanic involvement because of a common Mexican name.
You two are experts in jumping to conclusions that defy logic or reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:07:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: wudidiz, GreyLmist (#43)
So wud, do you agree with GL that a slender yet relatively shapely 27 year old victim, Victoria Soto, is the same person as a somewhat chubby 15 year old girl from the opposite end of the country who survived a mall shooting in Oregon?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:12:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: FormerLurker (#45)
My first guess is no.
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 22:13:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: wudidiz (#46)
Well at least you didn't jump on THAT bandwagon. Thus far, I think GL is the only one driving that one.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:15:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Do you think Gene Rosen is an actor?
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it.” ~ Patrick Henry

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-02 22:22:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: wudidiz (#48)
Do you think Gene Rosen is an actor?

I would say the odds of Newtown residents being professional actors is between slim and none.
I would also say, however, that some of them are acting quite bizarrely. There are several possibilities as to WHY they are acting that way, ranging from something in the water to satanic involvement.
Who knows exactly what the cause is, but something isn't right about that place. I've experienced first hand strange behavior of the locals in some parts of New York, and I did actually find that there WAS satanic activity in those towns.
The depth of how far it goes is anyone's guess, but Gerarld Rivera had a pretty interesting series of investigative reports on the matter.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:30:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#42)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head

Its the fact that most Americans are so dumbed down.....that they can't see the Occult flung in their faces daily.
So dumbed down,.....they believe the Mars Curiosity Rover....is on Mars.
The level of Illusion and magic is just over the top of late....but then....it was 2012....a very Occult numbered year....and the kickoff to big things,...just as 2001 was with false flag 9-11.
Those reading along who are wondering about Mars Curiosity Rover,....drop by
Cluesforum.....there you will find scientific data showing the impossibility of this supposed mission and its bullet descent/bottle rocket/cable landing.
Its CGI....cluesforum knocks it outta the park.
Those of us who understood the Apollo Moon missions were faked.....know they will go to the well again and again....and get their funding...and toy with the world....in world wide deception.
This is part of the rite of the Occult....crafting the deception and pulling it off.
We find this continually in news cycle.....
The invasion of Libya had fake sets in Qatar which Al Jazerra duped Islam with.
The attack on Syria finds the same game of illusion and magic [words]..used to achieve.
except...all that is not going so well for the Globalists.
Even with Russia hardly supporting Assad regime.....that Army is winning.
of course....that may change soon...as the machine has many impatient movers demanding a different outcome.
GL's not wrong to consider Conspiracy or the Occult in the mix of things.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-02 22:37:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: Parrot with speed dial (#50)
GL's not wrong to consider Conspiracy or the Occult in the mix of things.

You appear to be quick to jump to conclusions yourself there Parrot. Again, I didn't say there was no occult involvement, but the fact that a person's name ends with "oto" is proof of nothing.
Soto is a common Mexican name, just like Smith is a common British name, hence my attempt at humor with the analysis of the name Smith.
Get it?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-02 22:42:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: FormerLurker (#42)
What it comes down to GL is that if you see the devil everywhere to the point you see something sinister about a person's name just because it ends with the letters "oto", not only are you grasping at straws, but you are jumping to absurdities which are so far from being meaningful observations as to deserve a "sarcastic swipe" across the head.

It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved -- and for no logical reason, imo, other than to smite in spite. It is you who are grasping at absurdity straws and jumping strangely to transmute accusingly even a benevolent, corroborative comment made conversationally (on a topic you yourself had inserted here) into something warranting enmity and a targeted strike from you. Evidently (and typically again of you), even my short, one sentence comment wasn't really comprehensively read by you but you've misread much into it, as usual. FYI: I'm not the analyst who interpreted the "oto" letters as a possible Satanic signal in the name of a possibly fictitious character or Crisis Actor. I merely relayed, as a gesture of support, an abbreviated summary on their video-assessment of it to you in response to the horned hand-gesture signal-issues that you had presented as a meaningfully relevant observation in this discussion. I'm not clear on why you've arbitrarily drawn the line of meaningful occult observation at your input only but go ahead and stomp and swipe like an agitated ogre over it, if you insist on manifesting so. I'll just laugh at your shows of force.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-02 23:05:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: FormerLurker (#51)
You appear to be quick to jump to conclusions yourself there Parrot. Again, I didn't say there was no occult involvement, but the fact that a person's name ends with "oto" is proof of nothing.
Soto is a common Mexican name, just like Smith is a common British name, hence my attempt at humor with the analysis of the name Smith.
Get it?

Ya....your working to keep people from exploring this trail
that gives me pause.
Tell us.....were the Apollo missions real [ie...they landed men on the moon],...or was that faked?
You appear willing to admit deceptions occurred on 9-11...but do ninny over certain details.
You maybe need* to go and read the verses pulled from Virgil's work and the Sibylline Oracles ..so as to grasp why those phrases were used in the making of the Great Seal of the United States.
and then consider why that was transposed on the US Dollar.
Start looking at the Occult like it was a machine....which has buttons which get pushed and then outcomes occur.
Satanism exists....but it is not**...whats operating the levers of the machine.
At times....Satanism or Saturn Cult is convenient deception which the powers do not mind you chasing down the rabbit hole with.
Accept that Illusion and magic occur....so that a desired outcome can be achieved.
Look for it.....its part of the game[competition] and the rite,...which they openly show.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-02 23:17:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Parrot with speed dial (#53)
Ya....your working to keep people from exploring this trail

Uh huh. I have a new lead for you. It was actually Hillary Clinton who shot all those kids, that's why she's in the hospital. You can go ahead and make a Youtube video describing the details and claim all the credit for yourself.
I really don't know what the fuck you and your breathren here have been smoking, but it must be some REALLY good shit.
If you paid attention at all to anything I've said here, I'M the one who raised the topic of the satanic symbology in certain photos of the Sandy Hood families and victims.
Is it that it's a bit too close to the truth, and you feel a need to discredit me with your rants and accusations?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 0:53:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Hey, aren't you the guy who said George W Bush was one of our finest presidents, and that 9/11 happened just like he said it did?

You are a certifiable jerk. And yes, now that I think about it longer, your argumentative obnoxious style reminds me of the kook who debated me for 30 days and 30 nights over nothing. Kook!

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-03 1:36:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: FormerLurker (#47)
Well at least you didn't jump on THAT bandwagon. Thus far, I think GL is the only one driving that one.

It's not a bandwagon. It's my investigative and comparative research of possible Crisis Actors and fictional characters in official terror-storylines, as well as suspect covert-agents of foreign powers regarding PsyOps/BlackOps against our nation; such as alleged mall and school shootings, 9/11, etc. For any readers confused by your obscurations of that here, am cross-referencing this 4um thread, titled: "BREAKING NEWS: CT School Shooter Killer Link To LIBOR SCANDAL" -- with emphasis on Posts #11, #13, #15, #17 and #21.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 1:42:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: FormerLurker (#26) (Edited)
Me: However, he is one of the many examples of children and adults [Edit to add: allegedly outdoors] in the area that day with no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt on -- just a thin, summery shirt.

You: That kid, if it's the one I saw in the video you refer to, is wearing what could possibly be a winter/fall longsleeve double shirt. It's impossible to tell exactly since you can only see the top inch or two of his shirt, the rest of it was out of frame.
I wouldn't base my case upon it if I were trying to use it as evidence in court.

It looks like an ordinary, lightweight shirt to me (and he gave more than one interview that day -- at a van in one and the other not -- if you think that view of his shirt is questionable) but I haven't based my weather-attire case on just that. As I said, he's one of many such examples -- of children and adults, a few even wearing short-sleeve summery shirts. You might not have seen the videos and pics showing that or noticed it, if you did see them, but one of the more frequently posted pics that I think you probably have seen (which is one of the strangest photos, imo, of the supposed aftermath) shows the children being marched outdoors in single-file with their hands on the shoulders of the child in front of them. Unlike the children, the two offical-looking adults are dressed warmly but the children are not. Stranger still, those children are being led outdoors in a convenient targeting-formation like ducks in a shooting- gallery row when two other suspects were apprehended outside of the school and nearby it that day. Could have been others roundabout in the area, for all those "guardian officials" knew for sure. Let's not spar about all of that, though. The main reason I'm posting a reply here now is to cite additional points of consideration about the aforementioned-boy and his family, possibly relevant to my research on rings of PsyOp/BlackOp covert-agents of foreign powers here.
In one of his interviews, his mother is interviewed too, with her first and last name reported (last name: Nikitchyuk) and his reported name as "Bear" -- perhaps in reference to Russia/The Bear. He's sometimes reported as a third grader and sometimes as a fourth grader but is described as a first grader at a photo in the February 11, 2011 issue of photos.newtownbee.com so, unless he skipped a grade, he's probably a third grader. This is the caption there:

Sandy Hook School first grader Bear Nikitchyuk created a “dragon that bites” after learning about mythological animals in Chinese culture. (Hallabeck photo)

His father, Andrei/Andre Nikitchyuk, authored this New York Daily News article posted there on December 17, 2012 excerpted below:

BREAKING THE SILENCE! Father of surviving Sandy Hook student admits turning a blind eye to gun violence can no longer be an option
Pic: Andre Nikitchyuk, with son Bear, 8, a third-grader at Sandy Hook Elementary who escaped harm when a teacher pulled him into a room as the shooting began.
My son, a third-grader nick-named “Bear,” went to school on Friday, like any normal day. At school that day, he was the classroom helper with another child and had the job of walking the attendance sheet to the principal’s office.
He describes his experience as hearing gunshots and “seeing” bullets come by them, turning toward them to see what’s going on, but — thankfully — smoke clouded his view.
Our kids were so lucky. A heroic teacher, Abbey Clements, whom we can never sufficiently thank, saw them in the hallway and pulled him into her classroom.

Not only is he said to have been in a position to act as a witness by being selectively sent into the hall when most of the children would be in classrooms, he is the only child who claims at all to have seen bullets flying, maybe -- although smoke clouded his view...and they didn't sound like gunshots but someone kicking a door...and he didn't actually see any gun(s) fired...says he saw smoke and smelled smoke...then a teacher pulled him into her classroom. Moreover, his father with a Russian sounding last name (like the alleged Clackamas/Oregon 15 year-old survivor and her brother) is gunning against our 2nd Amendment, you could say metaphorically. Ergo, I'm going to cross-reference their rather suspicious family (as I see it) with the data compiled in another thread, starting at Post #11 there [Edit to add: and noted above in this thread at Post #56], on the issue of possible and known covert-agents of foreign powers moving in America as enemies of our Republic.
Edited also the Post number linked in the last sentence of the last paragraph.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 21:35:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: GreyLmist, scrapper2 (#52) (Edited)
It is you who imagines something sinister almost everywhere, to the point of arguing like a control freak "puppetmaster" bent on recklessly smashing input contributions that you deem unapproved

Just as in your little circle of pals, you are guilty of projecting your own faults onto others, specifically, those who disagree with you and/or call you on your far fetched schemes.
To see something sinister in a common name is beyond rational. I doubt you would make those claims to people in real life as they may well view you as certifiably insane.
Oh boo hoo hoo, I told you that you were off the deep end because you tried to claim Victoria Soto was satanic JUST BECAUSE the three letters of her name ends with "oto".
That I tried to inject a bit of humor rubs you the wrong way, and now I'm all sorts of bad things.
Now I should get ready for your fellow gang of misfits to come tell me I'm an asshole, a jerk, and all sorts of other things because I popped your little balloon.
You folks are all very quick to pounce on others over perceived wrongs, but cry like little drama queens when someone tries to speak to you as if you were actually adults.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:25:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: scrapper2 (#55)
You are a certifiable jerk. And yes, now that I think about it longer, your argumentative obnoxious style reminds me of the kook who debated me for 30 days and 30 nights over nothing. Kook!

For one, dig up that thread if it exists and post a link. For two, who are you, BeAChooser? Did you create the scrapper2 handle just to have a sleeper account?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-03 22:28:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: FormerLurker (#58) (Edited)
That post was made yesterday, almost 24 hours ago, in response to your whirlwind wardances in-process then over a short, conversational sentence about somebody else's interpretation of the 3 "oto" letters, as well as a 3 word file-summary comment posted by me, "Noting a resemblance". Since then, I thought we had reached an amicable understanding and had hoped, if I replied to your post here on the issues of the boy, Bear, and his family that you would have the presence of mind to remember that prior conflict was over with -- or so I thought but, apparently, I was wrong about you having that much rationality and composure. Oh, well. I think that's your problem, not mine.
Edited sentence 1 + for grammar and punctuation.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-03 23:14:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: GreyLmist (#60)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-04 1:46:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: FormerLurker (#61) (Edited)
I just read your comment today, must have missed it yesterday. I don't spend all my time on forums, I have more pressing matters to attend to.

Ok, then. I apologize for the curt reply but would like to suggest a quick check of the posting-date stamp logs before dashing off an unnecessarily overheated message. While I'm here again, am using this time to list some video examples for the record that I've noticed of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them even in short sleeve, summery shirts. View at the YouTube sites:
At least 27 dead, including 18 children, in Connecticut school shooting - YouTube
At 0:21 children walking in a line with no coat
Girl in no coat and adult female in short sleeve summer shirt at 1:24
Girl in short sleeves at 1:31 and man at 2:06 in white shirt
Connecticut Shooting: Parents React Dec 14th, 2012
At 0:44 girl in white shirt
At 2:20 woman in short sleeve summer shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
At 2:08 female in white shirt
At 2:23 and 2:26 children in short sleeve shirts
US school shooting: Children tell of terror
At 0:22 boy in green shirt with scarf but no coat; 0:36 girl in white shirt
At 1:10-1:20 several with no coat, including a baby boy in green shirt
Connecticut Shooting Sandy Hook Elementary Teachers' Reactions to Gunshots - ABC News - YouTube
Baby in green shirt with no coat at 1:21; also seen in the previous video and the one below
Man in background wearing short sleeve summer shirt at 1:52
Sandy Hook Massacre Exposed? (With Evidence) 1/2
At 12:17 shirt sleeves, including baby boy in green shirt
Edited for video notations, time-stamp markers and sequence order. Also to add this child in no coat pic example not seen in those videos:

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 4:52:17 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: GreyLmist (#62) (Edited)
All the plates are nice and neatly covered... That ford is very dusty.

That has to be the most awkward way to run I have ever seen....
I would have to shun the stupidity and run for my life proper.

Love how that cop is too weak to pick up a small 50 pound girl and RUN!!!.. nope... Not these actors.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-04 6:02:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: titorite (#63)
Astute observations, titorite. Thanks for your analysis of the pic.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-04 6:10:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: GreyLmist, 4um, *The Pending Gun Grab* (#62)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-04 9:52:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#65) (Edited)

This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...
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titorite posted on 2013-01-04 14:31:14 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: All (#62) (Edited)
More examples of children and adults outside that day in shirts and no coat/jacket/sweater/sweatshirt -- a number of them in short sleeve, summery shirts and even one male in shorts:

Girls with no coats

Boy in a T-shirt, man in a white shirt, boy in an orange shirt

Boy in orange shirt again

Girl in a thin, short sleeve shirt

Boy in a thin shirt; last name: Nikitchyuk, nickname: Bear

Female in a white shirt; Carlee Soto?

Girl with no coat, thin shirt(s)

Child with no coat, thin shirt(s)

Boy with no coat, looks like 2 thin shirts

Boy in a blue shirt but could be a sweatshirt

Female in a black shirt

Man in a black shirt

Man in a purple shirt, woman in a white and blue shirt

Man in a blue T- shirt

Woman in a shirt with alleged Sandy Hook parent, male in shorts and a shirt

Child in a short sleeve shirt bottom right corner, others with no coats

No coats, female in short sleeves

Child with thin shirt(s) and no coat. CNN [Updated at 2:45 p.m. ET]: Various locations are being used as staging areas around Newtown. This is outside the Newtown Methodist Church near the school where a woman is hugging a child.
Sandy Hook Elementary School Nurse Sally Cox EXPOSED Newtown Shooting FRAUD - YouTube
At 1:29-1:32 boy in short sleeve shirt, female in white shirt
At 1:37-1:41 several children with no coats and thin shirts, two in short sleeve shirts
At 6:49 boys with thin shirts and no coats, one in short sleeves

Edited to change paths for pics #3 and #4 that weren't working + added several more pics and made some changes in pic descriptions.
Re-edited to add 3 more pics:

Two children in bottom right corner with no coats

Boy with no coat

Several children with no coats, two in short sleeves
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 8:43:17 ET (21 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
Grey, your #62 is a terrific breakdown of the many examples of the inconsistencies related to Sandy Hook.
Take a close look at the picture you end your post with. It's clearly staged. When one is running from an active gunman, they run. Now, look at the feet of the female in the blue top. If she's running she takes the smallest steps I've ever seen, the same applies for all of them. Also, the cop involved wouldn't be holding hands and running in a line along with the civilians. I'd think his training would be to place those folks in front of him (he has a bullet proof vest on for crying out loud) and shield them as they ran.
This pic is a major FAIL.

Thank you, JT, and for your very insightful analysis of the pic. Added 18 more pics and another video for the record at Post #67.
Also, for a linked weather report and summary of those conditions throughout the day, am cross-referencing here Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 11:43:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#68)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-06 12:12:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: titorite (#66) (Edited)
[Link for posted New York Daily News pic captioned: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported aftere shooting rampage.]
This is supposed to be a picture of a December night in Connecticut. A body is being moved.
I notice that nobody is cold in the winter night air... hell even the dudes coffee doesn't stream... he must have soda water in that cup...

Good points. The temperature was below freezing there from 7 p.m. on Dec 14 until 10 a.m. on Dec 15 and the nydailynews.com article linked below shows the pic you posted, with the article time stamped Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM.

UPDATED: 26 dead, including 20 kids, in Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting: Gunman Adam Lanza, 20, kills teacher mom in her Newtown home, drives her car to her school and opened fire before killing self
Published: Friday, December 14, 2012, 10:51 AM
Updated: Saturday, December 15, 2012, 9:47 AM
Pic link: A victim killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School being transported after shooting rampage. | JB Nicholas for New York Daily News

Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 14 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
That weather report is also referenced above at Post #68 in this thread via the link to Post #54 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver. This is an excerpted summary by me copied from that thread-posting for the weather conditions on that day:

From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees but went no higher in the afternoon than 46 degrees for the 3 hours of 3 p.m. through 5 p.m. -- dropping rapidly from there during the hour of 5 p.m. (approx. sunset) to very near the freezing point again at 6 p.m. (33 degrees) and steadily dropping below freezing therafter to 26 degrees through [Edit to add: the hour of] 11 p.m.; with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.

This is a link for the Newtown weather conditions on December 15, 2012. From midnight until the hour of 10 a.m., the temperature there was in the 20s; 26 degrees at midnight, falling steadily to 22 degrees by 5 a.m. where it stayed until 10 a.m.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012 -- scroll down to about 1/3 of the page for that day's report; Observed at: Danbury Municipal Airport, CT.
Edited to shorten sentence 2.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:08:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
Not a stone unturned with you Grey. I'm bookmarking this thread. Lots of juicy morsels here, thanks.

You're welcome, JT. Good to know that you think it of interest.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-06 13:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: GreyLmist, Jethro Tull, All (#70)
It comes down to this. If you believe that an entire town that has been incorporated since 1711 doesn't really exist, and that the people there don't really exist, just because a few people aren't bundled up with heavy winter jackets in a New England town on a mild day in December where the temperatures at the time were in the 40's, well, believe what you wish to believe.
We've been over the weather before GL, and you KNOW that the temperatures were in the 40's at the time those pictures were taken. MOST people have light jackets or sweatshirts on (including some of those kids you claim have "thin shirts" on, where in reality they're wearing an outer shirt over a long sleeve undershirt). One or two people have t-shirts on. I see that often enough when the temps are in that range, and not just in New England.
I don't know what pleasure you derive from these gyrations, and I really don't care. But you are apparently obsessed with convincing people this had to have happened in a Hollywood studio, it just couldn't have happened otherwise.
And JT, I'm highly surprised you're apparently following the "it was all done in the studio" road, where you actually live or lived in NYC, knowing how the people react to temperatures in that range.
Not just that, but don't you think people in that town would say, "hey, that isn't what happened, we don't know those people, that isn't really Newtown", etc.?
And IF "they" HAD decided to do this all in a "studio", going through the trouble of gathering all these people into various scenes, don't you think they'd think about what sort of clothes they "should" have been wearing?
Seeing this trend of cognitive dissonance amongst those who I thought would know better, hell, I think there's absolutely no hope left for any of us. We have been defeated.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:34:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: All (#72)
In my opinion, all of this "lookie here, people are wearing this sort of shirt, so it MUST have been done in a studio and none of it is real", is a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?
B) Focus attention on a straw man argument which can easily be knocked down, not only diverting attention away from questions such as those described in A above, but also causing the general public to view any "conspiracy theorists (ie. those who question the official story) as being bat shit crazy.
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-08 23:48:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: FormerLurker (#73)
Now go ahead and launch your grenades and fire bombs, if you feel the need.

Thanks you for your permission and blessing to fight back in this revolution against the tyranny Former Lurker. Indeed every single other attempt to address grievances of the US people has fallen upon deaf tyrant ears.
If the system be to broken to fix from with in then a few grenades and firebombs from the outside ought to fix things up. Excellent suggestion on your part my friend.
___FIRE
titorite posted on 2013-01-09 2:45:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: FormerLurker (#73) (Edited)
a misdirection ploy designed to accomplish several things;
A) Draw attention away from truly serious question such as "where was the rifle found, and was it really the same rifle that shot those people", and "how did Lanza get to the school if it wasn't his car that was found outside the school, but that of a drug dealer". Also, how did the murder weapon (as initially reported) end up in that car if the owner wasn't involved. Oh yeah, what about the person arrested in the woods behind the school, what's the story with that?

The title of this thread is about holes in the official story -- not the only valid questions are yours above except when you want to point out that Newtown is a Satanist hub.
Edited for clarity.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-09 14:39:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: GreyLmist (#75)
GL, do you not think these things out before you proclaim them as viable scenarios? Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-09 23:37:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: GreyLmist (#67) (Edited)

i guess at least one of those pics is a fake
"...Drill before the event: A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill event that took place some months prior to the event itself...."

Sandy Hook: US State-Fabricated Terror
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=62991
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2013-01-10 5:11:32 ET (2 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: FormerLurker (#76)
Do you truly believe it possible that the Sandy Hook shooting was all an elaborate hoax televised from a studio location out in the Hollywood hills or something?
If not, could you tell us what you are really saying?

I've already explained to you before -- at least once and maybe twice -- that I've never said it was all filmed in a studio so I don't think I need to repeat that for us. I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:02:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#77)
edit. I was out in the sticks for over a month...far far away from the media...while all this was happening. I take it you already know what I am just finding out. Did a search last night "terror drill at sandy hook elementary". These people have no shame using kids as pawns in their little games. And then expect Americans to give up their guns "for the children".

I was wondering where you've been. Thanks for the link and your thoughts. They are terrorizing the psyches of the children with their BlackOp/PsyWar routines.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-10 8:44:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: GreyLmist (#78)
I will say that the weather here was in the 40s yesterday afternoon and it was not warm, imo.

So what ARE you trying to accomplish with all these weather reports and pictures of students in sweatshirts, with a few in t-shirts?
You ARE trying to say that this was filmed or televised from somewhere other than Newtown, aren't you?
Do you think the town of Newtown CT doesn't really exist? Because if it did, don't you think people there would notice if none of this really happened?
Incidently, don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-10 23:24:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: FormerLurker (#72)
Like Alex at infowars ways, "there is a war for your mind." People peddling BS are front line soldiers in that war for your mind. Mass mind control on scale never seen before in human history is taking place right now. IMO Alex is one of the soldiers of the elite in this war for your mind. All I know is if Obama signs an executive order banning certain guns I think the shit will hit the fan and there will be a violent uprising to kill any law enforcement officer or soldier that tries to enforce this ban.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 0:37:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#80)
don't you think if there were a school shooting and parents rushed to see if their kid was ok or not, they might not have been thinking about whether or not their child had their jacket on?

At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-11 6:24:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: GreyLmist (#82)
At what point do you think parents or someone might have reasonably given a thought to whether or not the children had their jackets on? At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. You and Ricky seem to have a problem with a pictorial record of this. That says more about both of you than it does me.

Do you take drugs? Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-11 11:27:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: RickyJ (#83)
Have you ever been in a life or death situation? You don't think about putting a damn coat on when your like is on the line! Sure the kids wore their coats to school in the morning, but then after they got in the school they took them off.

There were 6 children alleged to have run out of the school at approx. 9:35 a.m., the time of the alleged shooting -- to Gene Rosen's house (4um video reference). He claims they were sitting in an orderly way on his lawn/at the end of his driveway...when the weather there was very near freezing until 11 a.m. (Newtown weather report reference for Dec 14. Scroll down approx. 1/3 of the page.); presumably having fled the school without their coats but not described as shivering from the cold. I'm supposing that's what you're talking about because, otherwise, the depicted children without coats were mostly shown to be rather calmly walking, standing around, and giving interviews outdoors some time after the alleged lone gunman reportedly killed himself. So, I'm not seeing your argument as explanatory.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-12 0:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ (#82) (Edited)
At the time of the alleged shooting the temperature there was very near freezing until 11 a.m.

Not true. At 11 AM the temperature was 39.9 F, and at 10 AM the temperature was 37.9 F, as per the official National Weather Service data for Danbury Municipal Airport. Do you think the temperature instantly jumped to 40 degrees at 11 AM from 34.0 F at 9 AM? Whether you wish to believe that or not, I don't really care, I'm just going by the official weather rather than some private website which may or may not reflect the actual recorded data 100%.
Another mistake you are making is that the children weren't evacuated as soon as the shooting was reported at 9:35 AM. The building wasn't reported as "clear" till 9:53, so those kids weren't evacuated till after 10 AM.
But, so what? The question is, do you honestly think nothing really happened in Newtown, and that the entire population of the town would go along with false reports of an event of this scale if it didn't really happen there, it was all filmed somewhere else as a hoax?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-12 12:28:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: GreyLmist (#82)
From Past Weather Conditions for KDXR
Tabular Listing: December 14, 2012 - 0:00 through December 15, 2012 - 00:00 EST
Time(EST) Temperature Dew Wet Bulb Relative Wind Wind Quality Pressure Sea level Altimeter 1500 m Weather Visibility

Point Temperature Humidity Speed Direction check

pressure

Pressure conditions

° F ° F ° F % mph

in in in in

miles

23:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

22:53 26.1 23.0 25.1 88 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 9.00

21:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

20:53 27.0 23.0 25.6 85 3 WSW
OK
29.73 30.23 30.22 25.22 clear 10.00

19:53 28.9 24.1 27.3 82 0

OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

18:53 30.0 24.1 27.9 78 0

OK
29.70 30.20 30.19 25.19 clear 10.00

17:53 33.1 24.1 29.8 69 0

OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

16:53 37.9 23.0 32.4 54 0

OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

15:53 46.0 19.9 36.3 35 5 WNW
OK
29.65 30.15 30.14 25.15 clear 10.00

14:53 48.0 21.0 37.6 34 6 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

13:53 46.0 23.0 37.0 40 10 W
OK
29.64 30.14 30.13 25.14 clear 10.00

12:53 45.0 24.1 36.8 43 12 WSW
OK
29.66 30.16 30.15 25.16 clear 10.00

11:53 42.1 25.0 35.4 50 9 WSW
OK
29.68 30.18 30.17 25.18 clear 10.00

10:53 39.9 25.0 34.2 55 10 WSW
OK
29.72 30.22 30.21 25.21 clear 10.00

9:53 37.9 24.1 32.8 57 8 WSW
OK
29.74 30.24 30.23 25.23 clear 9.00

8:53 34.0 25.0 30.7 69 7 WSW
OK
29.75 30.25 30.24 25.24 clear 8.00

7:53 21.9 18.0 20.8 84 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.24 25.24 fog 5.00

6:53 21.0 19.0 20.4 92 0

OK
29.75 30.26 30.25 25.24 clear 7.00

5:53 21.0 18.0 20.1 88 0

OK
29.75 30.27 30.25 25.24 clear 8.00

4:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.76 30.27 30.26 25.25 clear 8.00

3:53 21.9 19.0 21.1 88 0

OK
29.77 30.28 30.27 25.26 clear 7.00

2:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.79 30.30 30.29 25.28 clear 8.00

1:53 23.0 19.9 22.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

0:53 24.1 21.0 23.1 88 0

OK
29.80 30.31 30.30 25.29 clear 7.00

23:53 23.0 21.0 22.4 92 0

OK
29.82 30.33 30.32 25.30 clear 8.00

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I really don't care if you think the University of Utah is "in on it". Go find some other official source, ie. National Weather Service data, if you don't like Utah or universities in general. Thing is, most official sources require a subscription and are fee based, at least in terms of historical data. So most if not all of the official data available for free is only available from universities.
But again, it's all irrelevant if you consider the fact that the entire town would need to be lying if nothing really happened there at Sandy Hook and if all of those kids and families were actors who staged the entire event at some warmer location, while forgetting that they needed warm clothing if it was supposed to be occuring in a New England town on a winter day.
There are MANY real contradictions and aspects of the event which raise serious questions, but the fact a few kids weren't bundled up in winter coats isn't one of them.
You are free to believe whatever you want, but if you wish to be taken seriously, perhaps you should spend more time on the serious issues rather than highly improbable scenarios which defy logic and reason.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-12 12:42:29 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: FormerLurker, titorite, Jethro Tull (#86) (Edited)
Before I answer your latest round of stuff, I'm going to test my handy-dandy "Video and Photographic Record + Analyses and Newtown Weather Reports" portable-template that I made in case those references get moved off the page with lots of postings in this subject. That way, I can access the info as needed with a one-click link of this Post # and so can anyone else who wants to check it or transfer it. Ping to notify those whose valuable input is included therein:
4um Title: The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes [video and pictorial record + analyses and weather report postings re: the alleged shooting at Sandy Hook Elem.]
Video and pictorial record postings:

Post #62; videos and pic posted by GreyLmist
Post #66; pic posted by titorite
Post #67; pics and video posted by GreyLmist
Link for Pic #13 at Post #67
Description Edit here to include an additional notation, after the semi-colon, for Pic #13 at Post #67: Man in a purple shirt, woman in a white and blue shirt; + child in background wearing a short sleeve shirt (maybe another shirt with long sleeves) and no coat

Video and pictorial analyses + weather reports:

Post #63; analysis by titorite of pic at the bottom of Post #62
Post #65; analysis by Jethro Tull of pic at the bottom of Post #62
Post #66; analysis by titorite of the pic he posted there
Post #68; Newtown weather report for Dec 14 and summary of those conditions for the day linked by GreyLmist
Post #70; Newtown weather reports for Dec 14 and Dec 15 linked by GreyLmist (with a summary printout of the Dec 14 conditions reported and also a summary of reported conditions from midnight through 10 a.m. on Dec 15) re: analysis of the pic posted by titorite at Post #66

Weather reports are referenced as observed at Danbury Municipal Airport, an official weather station nearby. Contact that official weather station and friendlyforecast.com if further verification of that data is needed.
Edited for punctuation + paragraph 1.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-13 15:08:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: GreyLmist (#87)
Weather reports are referenced as observed at Danbury Municipal Airport, an official weather station nearby. Contact that official weather station and friendlyforecast.com if further verification of that data is needed

Perhaps you should take your own advice. The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.
But like I said, you're squabbling over a non sequitur (ie., the temperature being different by a few degrees at 10 AM doesn't PROVE that all the police, town folks, and news media fabricated this event and filmed it off in some warmer location).
Do you seriously think all of this could have been done without anyone in the town coming forward and stating that none of it happened, it was all done somewhere else?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-14 21:47:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: Itistoolate, titorite, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, RickyJ, randge, Lod, TommyTheMadArtist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, all, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#88)
Here's this:

"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-14 22:12:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: FormerLurker (#88) (Edited)
The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.

This place has alot of 911 truthers here and we tend to distrust national "official" sources because we know they have lied before time and again and shall again too until their demise.....

I am leary VERY leary of people that invoke officialdom.

I may of been wrong about you just being misguided,,,,shit... I can be wrong.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 2:09:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: wudidiz (#89)
That looks ok.. a bit long... I've skimmed through a good bit .....
it is interesting if a bit cliche in musical choices at times..
I'd like to see bullet point versions.
Stuff good for passing around offices and such.
If anyone reading this runs an office why aint you pumping this out in your friday social day emails?
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 2:34:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: titorite (#90)
I am leary VERY leary of people that invoke officialdom.

So I guess any ole numbers will do, if they come from any ole source other than official ones, right?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-15 19:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: titorite (#90)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-15 19:05:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: FormerLurker (#93)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?

I think it does not matter if I respond to you or not.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-15 19:28:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: FormerLurker (#88)
Do you seriously think all of this could have been done without anyone in the town coming forward and stating that none of it happened, it was all done somewhere else?

Unlike you, perhaps, I haven't suggested that everybody in the town was involved.
FL at Post #1 at 4um Title: 4um Sandy Hook Cop in CT on the Contradictions, Inconsistencies & Gun Grab (best interview on the situation I have heard)

The entire event and ensuing circus is nothing but a pile of inconsistencies and contradictions.
A bottom basement B movie would have a more consistent plot and script.
Unless of course it was a horror film where the movie provides a glimpse of what was REALLY going on, such as satanic conspiracies involving the entire town, along with the local, state, and federal governments.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-16 14:07:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: FormerLurker (#88) (Edited)
The data I posted IS the official data from the National Weather Service, provided by the University of Utah free of charge. Friendlyforecast.com is NOT an official source of National Weather Service data.

We don't have to go to Utah, home State of the Parker family, for an acceptable report of the weather in Connecticut that day. Danbury Municipal Airport is an official weather station near Newtown. Bridgeport/Igor|Sikorsky Memorial is also an official CT weather station nearby but when I posted that as a source from friendlyforecast.com (thinking at the time that you had objected to NOAA's reference of Danbury Municipal Airport, rather than the timeframe issues), you objected that Bridgeport was too near the coast. You said at Post #25 of Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver:

why are you trying to misdirect people here with the weather for a location on the coast, whereas the weather for the town of interest can easily be found via the exact same website?
If you enter NEWTOWN CT and December 15 2012, it'll give you the weather for NEWTOWN CT on that day, and confirms that the temperature was 44 degrees with no wind for the time frame of the press conference.
Newtown CT (Fairfield County) Hourly Weather Data For December 15 2012
If you've ever been to New England and driven to the coast, you'd know that the weather conditions along the coast are always different than what they are a mere 5 - 10 miles or so inland. It's cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, and there is almost always a breeze, even if there is no wind at all further inland.

When you posted umpteen weather reports from Hartford, which is farther away, as well as sources like timeanddate.com and the terrorist-sounding Weather Underground, that was ok by you. And you posted the friendlyforcast.com link above yourself for Newtown instead of Bridgeport. Now you want to insist that your Utah/BYU site is the best go-to source for Newtown, CT weather reporting but I disagree. Nor do I think I have to squabble with you about it or provide a different source when people can make up their own minds on the issue. However, I did find this demo-graph from weathersource.com titled "Official Weather: Newtown, Connecticut" for station: Danbury Muni Arpt on 12/14/2012 that shows a maximum temperature of 44.0, an average temperature of 31.5 and a minimum temperature of 19.0 rather than hourly reporting stats.
On a sidenote, besides the Parker family of Newtown being connected to the Utah region you've directed us to, so is Ryan T. Murphy who is a "native of Newtown, Connecticut" (listed under the Notable people header at that link) and "attended Brigham Young University". "While a student at BYU Murphy served as an assistant to then BYU professor Mack Wilberg" and "has since March 2009 been the associate music director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, working with music director Mack Wilberg."
On another sidenote (since the alleged Sandy Hook shooting is being used to attack the 2nd Amendment like the Leftist version of the PNAC Neocon's "New Pearl Harbor" invocation soon before 9/11), I was watching a documentary recently about former CIA Director William Colby, iirc, that mentioned the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was being broadcast as Pearl Habor was bombed in December of 1941. It was interesting enough under the aforementioned circumstances, I thought, to make note of it here.
Various edits for grammar, punctuation, clarity, readability + additional link and info in next to last paragraph.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-16 16:11:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: FormerLurker, titorite (#93) (Edited)
So titor ite, do YOU think the entire town of Newtown either doesn't exist, or that the entire town is lying and nothing really happened there?

Your just baggin on posters who ask and work questions which appear to threaten your control views of Sandy Hook.
There's any number of photo's which could be from the previous months school emergency drill...
or from the DHS drill at Sandy Hook fire station in 2010...or other drills we are yet to have dated records for.
The ident of Actors* present at this movie set at Sandy Hook fire station is captain obvious.
There's this creepy looking wife [small lady] with a large black man [apology for not naming them]
she has done several interviews ..even the pair holding some que card image of the child so named lost in the shooting.
The Women looks like she is about to cry....always....but does not.
she looks down alot and nods her head in sync with the narrative going on
the pouting/about to cry increases
Then she lifts her head and does this ...Boink,boink eye widening...like she was MK ultra'd....and then puts her head down and does another time period with that and pouting/about to cry.
This couple are assets with some time in preparation for the interviews.....obviously chosen for their superior ability to dupe the sheeple.
Parkervision is to goofy...so they don't keep rolling that con out .
and the other parents whose minds can't control the joy of the prizes they are getting for pulling this con off....they can't keep the smiling and happy feet still.
Like OKC...or the 86 field view CCTV from around the Pentagon...there is video from Sandy Hook school.
The State Attorney general should be demanding this be shown to the public....lets see masked Lanza enter the school and the first moments inside.

There's a picture of Obama posing with the Parker family...he's grinning ear to ear...the Parkers are animated like the plane to Disneyland is just outside.

Sandy Hook is a psy opp - off a drill...its a con....don't be fooled

stop ninnying.

Parrot with speed dial posted on 2013-01-16 17:13:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: Parrot with speed dial, titorite (#97) (Edited)
like she was MK ultra'd

Edit: Link removed by me | Vimeo video, 23 mins. Warning on Expletive-usage in the commentary. Tried to listen more than watch it due to lighting FX and such.
Pinged titorite because it mentions neuro-linguistic programming, a topic he has referenced before in discussions.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-17 3:47:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: GreyLmist (#98)
I do have an amateur interest.... I am flattered you remember this about me. ... :) One moment whilst I go have me a look at the link.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-17 4:10:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: GreyLmist (#98)
Well.... it clearly starts off with some patterns of it's own. Positive patterns of anti-propaganda... I am not sure how well it might be of use... I am testing it at the moment on otherwise intelligent folk but whom have fallen completely for the organized official narrative, I'll let you know how that works.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-17 5:04:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: titorite (#100)
I decided to remove the link in case it was used unethically by anyone.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-17 7:04:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: Parrot with speed dial (#97)
Your just baggin on posters who ask and work questions which appear to threaten your control views of Sandy Hook.

Hey scatterbrain. Over the past several weeks, you've tossed out moon landings, no-planes hit the WTC towers, and now you're on the side of those saying the town of Newtown CT doesn't exist.
What sort of shit are you shooting into your veins?
Aren't the REAL facts and contradictions sexy enough for you? Do you really NEED to grasp at the most ridiculous tangents and far fetched improbable ideas to make yourself feel like "part of the gang"?
Hey, maybe the "fake" cops, kids, and parents were really producing the live video from Mars, right? Why not, shit, we can't prevent anyone from thinking whatever they want and posting it here on 4um, so it MUST be true.
Funny how when I post ACTUAL FACTS, such as the matter of multiple shooters reported and the murder weapon ie. the "assault rifle", was either locked in the trunk of a drug dealer's car or not found in the area period, you totally ignore those things and jump on "it was all done in a studio, produced by CNN and NBC, etc...
WTF is wrong with you and folks like you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 1:16:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: GreyLmist, RickyJ, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#96) (Edited)

Danbury Municipal Airport is an official weather station near Newtown.
And that is the source of the data I provided. It is collected by the National Weather Service and provided to universities for historical research purposes.
The site YOU use is some fly by night site which contains whatever they feel like posting.
On a sidenote, besides the Parker family of Newtown being connected to the Utah region you've directed us to, so is Ryan T. Murphy who is a "native of Newtown, Connecticut" (listed under the Notable people header at that link) and "attended Brigham Young University". "While a student at BYU Murphy served as an assistant to then BYU professor Mack Wilberg" and "has since March 2009 been the associate music director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, working with music director Mack Wilberg."

The sad thing is, some people here might actually believe that you're on to something.
So now I'm in cahoots with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, William Colby, Dick Cheney or whatever twisted fucking tale you're trying to peddle because I asked you if you truly think the events of Sandy Hook were filmed in a different location, and if the entire town of Newtown CT either doesn't exist, or if the entire town is lying about what happened.
And now the entire state of Utah, its university, and a well known Internet weather source (WeatherUnderground) is ALSO involved in the conspiracy, just because you say so.
I have news for you. The University of Utah is involved with weather research, and they actually do teach that stuff in school, you know, weather forecasting.
It's not something you can pick up from GreyLmist or titorite on Freedom4um, no matter how loud you scream or stomp your feet.
I asked you to find a REPUTABLE source, yet you insist that "Friendlyforecast" is not only reputable, but that it's the ONLY place on earth where you can get "reliable" data.
As far as I know, that "Friendlyforecast" site is a disinfo site that you personally own or are somehow affiliated with, where you can insert your own "data" at your leisure to "prove" something on an Internet forum such as here whenever you feel the need to twist something your way.
And of course you are now trying to say that the National Weather Serice itself is "unreliable", yet some fly by night shady outfit is 100% true and accurate.
I don't know if you've intimidated the other posters on this forum to the point they're afraid to call you on your bullshit, but you certainly have the faucet turned up full blast, and apparently only me and RickyJ have the nerve to stand up to your tirades of lies and misdirection.
So what IS your point to all this? You refuse to answer the question of whether or not you believe that the event was filmed elsewhere, implying either the town of Newtown CT doesn't exist, or it is filled with actors and the real townspeople were knocked off.
Or is it that they are all lying? Can you at least clear that up?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 1:39:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#104. To: GreyLmist (#96)
Various edits for grammar, punctuation, clarity, readability + additional link and info in next to last paragraph.

Here we are with a looming assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, and outright civil war, triggered by a staged event, and you're here posting thousands of posts about weather reports, trying to convince everyone that nothing at all happened at Sandy Hook, everyone involved were all "actors" filming in a far away location.
You're doing a stand up job of diverting people away from the HARD FACTS which if they were honestly looked at and called into question by the media, they'd blow this thing wide open.
So, as far as I can tell, YOU and a few of your "pals" here ARE involved with the event in that you are steering people away from REAL questions and ACTUAL facts, causing them to waste their efforts on straw men and red herrings.
And oh yes, you have an obsession with trying to discredit my character and honesty, since I've been posting REAL facts and calling into question ACTUAL contradictions with both THIS story AND 9/11.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 1:51:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#105. To: FormerLurker (#103)
I feel sorry for people that fall for her lame stuff. She isn't even very good at it. BeAChooser at least tried to seem legit. I guess the pay isn't as good as it was back then.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-18 1:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#106. To: FormerLurker (#104) (Edited)
Please quit.

Please?
For the love of god no more teasing us with your fake iQuit rants no more BS words on you. No more dicking around, just please quit.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-18 2:11:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#107. To: FormerLurker, Ricky J (#104)
FL: Here we are with a looming assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, and outright civil war, triggered by a staged event, and you're here posting thousands of posts about weather reports, trying to convince everyone that nothing at all happened at Sandy Hook, everyone involved were all "actors" filming in a far away location.
Ricky J: I feel sorry for people that fall for her lame stuff. She isn't even very good at it.

You know, you guys might be on to something.
Deflection and over loading with minutiae, not to mention looney theories, which would immediately serve to discredit legitimate concerns about the convenient events that occurred within 6 months of each other @ Aurora and Sandy Hook...
Makes one wonder if there's some method to all of this extraneous load of ...
Maybe it's not only Shooonra ( so obvious) in 4um's midst - another actively misdirecting discussions to deem this a "kook" site.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-18 2:21:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#108. To: titorite (#106)
Please quit.
Please?

Perhaps your personal affections blind you.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-18 2:22:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#109. To: titorite (#106)
Please quit.
Please?

Quit? Quit what, defending myself against lame assed accusations, or quit trying to ask your girlfriend what it is she's trying to say?
For the love of god no more teasing us with your fake iQuit rants no more BS words on you. No more dicking around, just please quit.
Why don't you go investigate the "it was all filmed on Mars" angle. I'm sure you'll be right on it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 2:42:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#110. To: scrapper2 (#107)
You know, you guys might be on to something.
Deflection and over loading with minutiae, not to mention looney theories, which would immediately serve to discredit legitimate concerns about the convenient events that occurred within 6 months of each other @ Aurora and Sandy Hook...
Makes one wonder if there's some method to all of this extraneous load of ...

I've noticed there are at minimum TWO major shills here at work for some time now.
They are GreyLmist AND titorite.
If you follow their posts, see who they attack, and what their target was saying prior to the attack, you'll see a pattern.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 2:45:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#111. To: RickyJ (#105)
I feel sorry for people that fall for her lame stuff. She isn't even very good at it. BeAChooser at least tried to seem legit. I guess the pay isn't as good as it was back then.

Sad thing is, it doesn't even HAVE to be good bullshit to fool people these days, it just needs to come from someone they "trust" because they've posted a few tidbits of truth here and there, and appear to be a "truth seeker" because they say they are.
So why waste money on GOOD shills when a cheap one will get the job done just as well if not better.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 2:51:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#112. To: scrapper2, christine, GreyLmist, titorite, FormerLurker, RickyJ (#107)
You know, you guys might be on to something.
Deflection and over loading with minutiae, not to mention looney theories, which would immediately serve to discredit legitimate concerns about the convenient events that occurred within 6 months of each other @ Aurora and Sandy Hook...
Makes one wonder if there's some method to all of this extraneous load of ...
Maybe it's not only Shooonra ( so obvious) in 4um's midst - another actively misdirecting discussions to deem this a "kook" site.

What looney theories?
Do you even know what you're talking about?
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 2:56:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#113. To: wudidiz (#112)
Do you even know what you're talking about?

You bet I do.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-18 2:59:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#114. To: scrapper2 (#107) (Edited)
Maybe it's not only Shooonra ( so obvious) in 4um's midst - another actively misdirecting discussions to deem this a "kook" site.

Actually, Shoonra has some valid questions here and there and apparently HAS come around to looking at inconvenient facts which don't agree with the "official story" concerning more than a few topics. I may be wrong, but that's the impression I get. At minimum she's honest about her views and beliefs.
People pick on her simply because she's Jewish and hasn't always been as open minded as some people would like. I've never seen her outright lie or act like a drama queen though, unlike those other two.
What it comes down to is that I'd trust her before I'd trust those other two, if push ever came to shove.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 3:00:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#115. To: wudidiz (#112)
What looney theories?

Do you believe that the Sandy Hook shootings didn't actually occur and that the cops never went to the school, kids never fled the school, and that it was all filmed somewhere other than Newtown CT?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 3:04:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#116. To: FormerLurker (#115)
Do you believe that the Sandy Hook shootings didn't actually occur and that the cops never went to the school, kids never fled the school, and that it was all filmed somewhere other than Newtown CT?

That is kinda what I believe... I... but what I really wanna know if any of the children that attended the school remember any of the alleged dead.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-18 5:48:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#117. To: scrapper2 (#108)
Perhaps your personal affections blind you.

I just dislike the little disinfo agent. true to form he is quick to attempt to shut down those theories he disapporoves of. Like george bush said, let us never tolerate outragous conspiracy theories... well former lurker is the enforcer of the rule. When their is a conspiracy theory he disapproves of he will be there to constantly derail the topic and mess with the author/posters and make a general nuisance of himself as best as he can muster.
So I suppose i might be a bit blinded by my personal bias.
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titorite posted on 2013-01-18 5:52:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#118. To: titorite (#117)
I just dislike the little disinfo agent.

Funny how a disinfo agent such as yourself calls others who see through your bullshit "disinfo agents".
I've posted factual contradictions and legitimate questions concerning this probable staged event, yet you attack me as if I'm saying it all happened exactly as the media portrays it.
Yeah, it all happened on Mars titor ite. Surprised you aren't jumping on THAT bandwagon.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 9:20:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#119. To: scrapper2 (#113)
You bet I do.

I bet you don't.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 9:23:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#120. To: titorite (#116)
That is kinda what I believe... I... but what I really wanna know if any of the children that attended the school remember any of the alleged dead.

Perhaps you should take a ride there and go ask them. Don't you think if none of those people were real there'd be SOMEBODY from that town posting such info on YouTube?
Don't you think SOMEONE from the town would say nothing happened, that no cops were called to the scene, and don't you think the State Police would quickly deny such a thing occured, and those who faked such an event would be quickly identified and delt with?
As usual, you ignore the very real evidence of a true conspiracy, and jump on the "EVERYONE in CONNECTICUT is lying" bandwagon, and imply that all of the news media, police, and actual victims are lying or are "actors".
You ignore the fact factions within our own government murdered 3000 people on the morning of 9/11/2001, and try to convince people that they'd somehow find it difficult to kill a relative handful of people in Newtown CT in order to push for "gun control".
Do you think the Aurora CO movie theater shootings never really happened either?
It's quite obvious to me and a few others that you and your girlfriend are doing your best to divert attention away from the REAL conspiracy here.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 9:28:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#121. To: FormerLurker, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#115)
Do you believe that the Sandy Hook shootings didn't actually occur and that the cops never went to the school, kids never fled the school, and that it was all filmed somewhere other than Newtown CT?

I believe the parents of the supposed victims are lying actors.
I haven't seen any evidence of dead children. Have you?
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 9:31:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#122. To: FormerLurker (#120)
It's quite obvious to me and a few others that you

are a few units short of a full set of units.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 9:33:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#123. To: All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#122)
Some Newtown residents say the school should be demolished and a memorial built on the property in honour of those killed Dec. 14. Others believe the school should be renovated and the areas where the killings occurred removed.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 9:36:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#124. To: All (#123)
any of you fuckin half-wits that think this wasn't staged watch this:
www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83011813/
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 9:48:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#125. To: wudidiz (#121)
So let me see. Nobody in Newtown is real, since if they were, they'd be screaming bloody murder how the parents aren't real people. And the kids aren't real, since if they were, they'd be telling everyone how nothing happened at their school.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-18 10:00:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#126. To: FormerLurker (#125)
Get those kids to tell you how there's no santa claus.
Show me a picture of Emily Parker with her "family" that wasn't photoshopped.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 10:11:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#127. To: All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#126)
Get those kids to tell you how there's no santa claus.

Kids what don't believe in santa get NO presents.
;)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 10:14:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#128. To: All (#87) (Edited)
Post #87 | Video and Photographic Record + Analyses and Newtown Weather Reports
Post #89 | YouTube video there:
SANDY HOOK HOAX BLOWN TO PIECES - THE ACTORS, PUPPETS AND MOTIVES - GUN CONTROL AGENDA SCAM (OLD)

References bump. Edited for spacing.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-18 11:04:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#129. To: GreyLmist (#128)
Anyone who spends an hour and a half watching that and still thinks this event wasn't staged...
there's no sense discussing anything further with them imo...
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-18 12:33:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#130. To: All (#128)
Post #87 | Video and Photographic Record + Analyses and Newtown Weather Reports

Post #67; pics and video posted by GreyLmist

The Parkers are at photo #14 of Post #67. Robbie Parker is the man in a blue T-shirt.
Little girl killed in Connecticut lived in NM - YouTube
Published on Dec 15, 2012 by KRQE

Little girl killed in Connecticut lived in NM
Comments at the site:
"This story states that she attended school in New Mexico, they must move around a lot-maybe not, the stories are changing so fast nobody can keep up or get any reliable info."
"The Ogden, Utah newspaper reported the Parker family had moved from Ogden to Newtown eight months prior to the massacre 12/14/12."
"He moved his family from Utah to Connecticut eight months ago after accepting a job as a physician's assistant in the newborn unit at Danbury Hospital.
By Chelsea J. Carter, CNN
cnn.com/2012/12/16/us/connecticut-emilie-parker/index.html"

Ogden, Utah lawyer, Jill Cottle-Garrett, is the alleged aunt of Emilie Parker:
Father remembers his last talk with daughter, Emilie Parker [1.75 min. WTNH video at left of article]
Updated: Sunday, 16 Dec 2012
Stephanie Simoni

"Emilie Allis Parker was the sweetest was the sweetest little girl I've ever known," Jill Cottle Garrett, the girl's aunt, said. [sic]
Parker revealed his final conversation with his young daughter.
"I'd actually been teaching her Portuguese and so our last conversation was in Portuguese, and she told me good morning and asked how I was doing and I said I was doing well. She said that she loved me and I gave her a kiss and I was out the door."

Sandy Hook - Jill Cottle Aunt Of Emilie Parker says Emilie has two big sisters - YouTube

Published on Jan 10, 2013 by JrStudi0s
Sandy Hook Aunt Of Emilie Parker Confused About her own nieces

Approx. 2 months before the alleged shooting:
2nd cyclist dies after crashing in LOTOJA race
By Paul Nelson
October 3rd, 2012

SALT LAKE CITY — A second man who crashed at this year's LOTOJA Classic Bike Race Sept. 9 has died. Family members are remembering him as a man who loved to compete but also loved to share everything he had with the community.
This was the ninth time retired dentist Douglas Cottle rode the LOTOJA Classic. His daughter, Jill Cottle-Garrett, believes another rider clipped his tire, throwing him off the bike. She says he crash-landed on his face.
"[He had] over 30 fractures in his face," she said. She says her father was sent to an elderly care facility after he was discharged from the hospital. [sic]
She also says he tried to stand, even though doctors said he wasn't ready to. During one of these attempts, she says her father fell and hit his head, sending him into a coma he wouldn't recover from.

LOTOJA - Wikipedia

The LoToJa Bicycle Classic is a 206-mile (332 km), one-day amateur bicycle road race from Logan, UT to Jackson Hole, WY, USA. It is usually held in September the first Saturday after Labor Day, and attracts national and International participants. LoToJa is one of the longest one-day road cycling races in the U.S, and is the longest one-day race sanctioned by USA Cycling, the sport's governing body based in Colorado Springs, CO. The race began in 1983 and will celebrate its 30th anniversary in 2012. In 1983 the race had nine participants. In 2011, it had over 1,500 riders.
LoToJa is pronounced “low-to-juh” by some and "la-TOE-juh" by others. It starts at Sunrise Cyclery in Logan, Utah and heads north into southeastern Idaho and winds across western Wyoming. The finish line is near the base of the Grand Teton at Jackson Hole Mountain Resort, one of America's top ski destinations.

Newtown, Connecticut - Wikipedia

Newtown Seal pic link

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-18 13:14:10 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#131. To: All (#130)
Father remembers his last talk with daughter, Emilie Parker [1.75 min. WTNH video at left of article]
"I'd actually been teaching her Portuguese and so our last conversation was in Portuguese, and she told me good morning and asked how I was doing and I said I was doing well. She said that she loved me and I gave her a kiss and I was out the door."

Minutes of carnage lead to lifetime of grief and anxiety in Newtown - CNN.com

In another Newtown house, 6-year-old Emilie Parker woke up to say goodbye to her father, Robbie, before he left for work at a local hospital. He had been teaching Portuguese to his daughter, and she practiced by saying "bom dia" (good morning) and asking how he was.
Emilie told her daddy she loved him and gave him a kiss. Then Robbie Parker dashed out the door.

Excerpts from Post #96:

On a sidenote, besides the Parker family of Newtown being connected to the Utah region you've directed us to, so is Ryan T. Murphy who is a "native of Newtown, Connecticut" (listed under the Notable people header at that link) and "attended Brigham Young University". "While a student at BYU Murphy served as an assistant to then BYU professor Mack Wilberg" and "has since March 2009 been the associate music director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, working with music director Mack Wilberg."
On another sidenote (since the alleged Sandy Hook shooting is being used to attack the 2nd Amendment like the Leftist version of the PNAC Neocon's "New Pearl Harbor" invocation soon before 9/11), I was watching a documentary recently about former CIA Director William Colby, iirc, that mentioned the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was being broadcast as Pearl Habor was bombed in December of 1941. It was interesting enough under the aforementioned circumstances, I thought, to make note of it here.

Bom dia, she said. Such a coincidence...and more over at 4um Title:
Israeli ‘witch hunt’ cripples freedom of speech and ICC

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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-18 14:40:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#132. To: wudidiz (#129)
Anyone who spends an hour and a half watching that and still thinks this event wasn't staged...
there's no sense discussing anything further with them imo...

For those who haven't watched it yet, here's a highlight:
At 1:18:38 Alexis/Alexi Haller, alleged uncle of Noah Pozner - no accent but a slight one at 1:20:53 and 1:21:13. Alexi Haller with an accent at 1:22:23.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-18 15:00:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#133. To: All (#131)
On a sidenote, besides the Parker family of Newtown being connected to the Utah region you've directed us to, so is Ryan T. Murphy who is a "native of Newtown, Connecticut" (listed under the Notable people header at that link) and "attended Brigham Young University". "While a student at BYU Murphy served as an assistant to then BYU professor Mack Wilberg" and "has since March 2009 been the associate music director of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, working with music director Mack Wilberg."
On another sidenote (since the alleged Sandy Hook shooting is being used to attack the 2nd Amendment like the Leftist version of the PNAC Neocon's "New Pearl Harbor" invocation soon before 9/11), I was watching a documentary recently about former CIA Director William Colby, iirc, that mentioned the Mormon Tabernacle Choir was being broadcast as Pearl Habor was bombed in December of 1941. It was interesting enough under the aforementioned circumstances, I thought, to make note of it here.

Utah - Wikipedia

Nickname(s): Beehive State
The Utah Territory was created with the Compromise of 1850

Newtown, Connecticut - Wikipedia

The Newtown Bee, the local weekly newspaper, has been serving the area since 1877, and has been owned and operated by the Smith family since 1881.

Wondering if that Smith family of Newtown is linked to this one, originally from New England:
Joseph Smith - Wikipedia

founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, the predominant branch of which is Mormonism. [Brigham Young] led them to the Utah Territory
Joseph Smith became interested in religion at about the age of twelve,[11 With his family, he also took part in religious folk magic,[14]

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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-20 17:20:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#134. To: All (#130) (Edited)
Ogden, Utah lawyer, Jill Cottle-Garrett, is the alleged aunt of Emilie Parker
[sic]
Approx. 2 months before the alleged shooting:
2nd cyclist dies after crashing in LOTOJA race
By Paul Nelson
October 3rd, 2012

SALT LAKE CITY — A second man who crashed at this year's LOTOJA Classic Bike Race Sept. 9 has died. Family members are remembering him as a man who loved to compete but also loved to share everything he had with the community.
This was the ninth time retired dentist Douglas Cottle rode the LOTOJA Classic. His daughter, Jill Cottle-Garrett, believes another rider clipped his tire, throwing him off the bike. She says he crash-landed on his face.
"[He had] over 30 fractures in his face," she said. She says her father was sent to an elderly care facility after he was discharged from the hospital. [sic]
She also says he tried to stand, even though doctors said he wasn't ready to. During one of these attempts, she says her father fell and hit his head, sending him into a coma he wouldn't recover from.

LOTOJA - Wikipedia

Cross-referencing + notes for investigative research:
Post #41 of 4um Title: Cabal Having Difficulty Telling a Consistent Sandy Hook Story
Nancy Lanza's brother is Kingston Police Officer James Champion
Albert Champion (founder of Champion Spark Plug) | Champion (spark plug)
Was wondering if the mother's family is related to the family that Champion Spark Plug was named after.
Before founding Champion Spark Plug, Albert Champion was a French road bicycle racer, who won the 1899 Paris–Roubaix. [sic] In 1927 (aged 49), he collapsed and died of a heart attack while escorting his wife to the dance floor of the Hotel Meurice during a banquet in Paris. He was being honoured for making the spark plugs that helped Charles Lindbergh cross the Atlantic alone that year.
Edited for formatting + next to last sentence.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-21 7:19:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#135. To: GreyLmist (#134)
The Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Holes

The UN-Official Story Of The Sandy Hook School Shooting Is Riddled With Wide Eyed Speculation That Stretches The Imagination Far Past the Breaking Point Causing Ones Brain to Develop a Foggy Grey Mist.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-01-21 7:35:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#136. To: All (#130) (Edited)
Little girl killed in Connecticut lived in NM - YouTube
Published on Dec 15, 2012 by KRQE

Family Speaks At Memorial Service For Emilie Parker

(KUTV) One of the twenty students killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in Connecticut was 6-year-old Emilie Parker.
“This sucks, there is no reason for us to be here tonight,” Robbie Parker began his speech at a memorial service held for his daughter Emilie on Thursday at Ben Lomond High School in Ogden.
He, along with friends and family, wore green to the memorial service, the colors of Sandy Hook Elementary School, to show support to the other grieving families.
Although the Parkers live in Connecticut, they chose to return to Ogden to bury Emilie Parker. Ogden is where the family is from and Emilie was born.

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Cross-referencing 4um Title: 'Horrific' New Mexico shooting leaves 5 dead; investigators arrest 15-year- old
Edited for spacing.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-21 7:48:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#137. To: All (#136)
Family Speaks At Memorial Service For Emilie Parker [KUTV, Utah]

[Robbie Parker], along with friends and family, wore green to the memorial service, the colors of Sandy Hook Elementary School, to show support to the other grieving families.

Pic link

The smiling Soto family (below) on Dec 16, 2012 - Today Show interview, approx. 48 hrs. after the alleged shooting; wearing green because it was Vicki's favorite color. No mention of green being a Sandy Hook Elementary school-color:
todaynews.today.com article: Slain hero teacher's family: 'She loved those students more than anything' - with video at the site
By Jillian Eugenios, TODAY contributor
16 Dec 2012 9:23am, EST

The Soto family paid homage to Vicki with her favorite color -- wearing green scarves and handing out green ribbons to the community.

BEST NEWS Sandy Hook School Teacher Vicki Soto, Died a Hero Shielding Her Students From Gunman - YouTube

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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-21 8:40:00 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#138. To: noone222 (#135)
You don't like my research notes and filing system?
The Champion family might not be as well known in your area as around here. I'm interested in checking the possibility that there might be a familial link there to Nancy Lanza, if you don't mind. Well, even if you do mind, I reckon.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-21 8:54:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#139. To: GreyLmist (#138)
I'm interested in checking the possibility that there might be a familial link there to Nancy Lanza, if you don't mind. Well, even if you do mind, I reckon.

There seems to be a ton of info swirling about without unfounded speculation added. If your research found indisputable facts that could be entered into the fray I believe it would be of value. Pure speculation adds nothing and may be counter-productive if it leads to furthering negative opinions relative to "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hat wearing bitter clingers."
A cursory perusal of any metropolitan phone book would illustrate the zillions of people named Champion without any connection to Spark Plugs, butt plugs or hair plugs.
Jus sayin !
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-01-21 9:03:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#140. To: noone222 (#139) (Edited)
Are you having a bad hair day? I posted some of that info on the founder of Champion Spark Plug quite awhile ago in the thread I linked to above and it didn't irk you so much before. Maybe you didn't see it then but I've posted info since on Emilie Parker's grandfather, who was a bicycle racer too, and was reminded of Champion's bicycle racing again so I wanted to file the data in one post for my research convenience. If you're not interested even in the Charles Lindberg notation regarding Albert Champion and can't or don't want to help with researching the Champion family lineage, maybe someone else might read the post who can help out with info on that.
Edited to reword for accuracy + reference-link addition.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-21 9:35:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#141. To: All (#137)
BEST NEWS Sandy Hook School Teacher Vicki Soto, Died a Hero Shielding Her Students From Gunman - YouTube

Didn't know until I saw an infomercial yesterday on TV that this brand of coffee machine is what Vicki Soto's alleged brother was pitching in answer to the reporter's question at 1:23, although there are other examples of it more advanced:
How to use the Keurig Coffee Machine

Because of this alleged Soto family pic and others like it re: the Parker family, etc., regarding research of Sandy Hook as an occult hub, perhaps, it might arguably be considered that the alleged Soto brother's anecdote could possibly have been a "witch's brew" inside-joke. I'll just surmise instead that the Keurig system isn't very environmentally friendly.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-26 5:20:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#142. To: GreyLmist (#141)
I think the use of the keurig was more of an NLP "grounding" it is something the remaining struggling middle class can relate to in many of their homes. When watching that particular piece of propaganda that morning many folks will of already brewed themselves a keurig.
They want you into their "stories" They want to paint a picture of this a tragedy. Tough to do as they are all so smiley .... WTF are they all so smiley about?.... it darn sure runs counter to the convayence of sorrow.

Checkered jacket bitch is the professional there I think. Her intonations , her amount of time on the propaganda shot, her superior acting skills , I mean I dare say out of all of them hers was the best performance in this charade of villainy..
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titorite posted on 2013-01-26 5:56:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#143. To: All (#137) (Edited)
[Robbie Parker], along with friends and family, wore green to the memorial service, the colors of Sandy Hook Elementary School, to show support to the other grieving families.
The smiling Soto family [sic] approx. 48 hrs. after the alleged shooting; wearing green because it was Vicki's favorite color. No mention of green being a Sandy Hook Elementary school-color:

Research notes:
YouTube video hypothesis : The Sandy Hook Owl Code. [yellow + blue = green; letter frequencies of those colors re: 9/11]
Excerpt from an article at veteranstoday.com: Sandy Hook was “them” doing 9/11 “on the cheap.”
Excerpt from the Comments section of another article at veteranstoday.com: George [~~_H_~~ W] Bush's Grandfather Prescott Bush who was Senator of Conn[ecticut]
Edited for strikethrough and initial correction + 2nd line in the quoted section.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-26 6:02:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#144. To: All (#140)
researching the Champion family

References re: the Lanza family
Post # 26 of 4um Title: Sandy Hook massacre Official story spins out of control
Killer's family rooted in Merrimack Valley, NH » Merrimack Valley » EagleTribune.com, North Andover, MA
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-26 6:06:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#145. To: titorite (#142)
I think the use of the keurig was more of an NLP "grounding" it is something the remaining struggling middle class can relate to in many of their homes. When watching that particular piece of propaganda that morning many folks will of already brewed themselves a keurig.
They want you into their "stories" They want to paint a picture of this a tragedy.

Agreed.

They want to paint a picture of this a tragedy. Tough to do as they are all so smiley .... WTF are they all so smiley about?.... it darn sure runs counter to the convayence of sorrow.
Checkered jacket bitch is the professional there I think. Her intonations , her amount of time on the propaganda shot, her superior acting skills , I mean I dare say out of all of them hers was the best performance in this charade of villainy..

Bizzare, indeed, imo -- like so many other things are about the narrative.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-26 6:22:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#146. To: All (#144) (Edited)
Killer's family rooted in Merrimack Valley, NH » Merrimack Valley » EagleTribune.com, North Andover, MA

Noting for research:
SSDI Death Index Sandy Hook ‘Shooter’ Adam Lanza Died One Day Before School Massacre

The following data is available at GenealogyBank.com;

The SSDI database shows Adam Lanza to be expired on December 13, 2012, one day prior to the school shooting. Confirmation Status is listed as “Proven”. However the state of issue is New Hampshire.

Comment at the site: "New Hampshire is where the SSN was issued. Lanza was born in New Hampshire. They did not move to Newtown until ’98."
Another comment at the site:
http://bayimg.com/OAJMmAAEa
"This is from the master file. I paid 10.00 to look it up."

Edited to try and display that pic. View at the bayimg.com site.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-28 12:05:04 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#147. To: GreyLmist, Itistoolate (#146)
coinicidence?

"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 13:42:35 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#148. To: GreyLmist (#146) (Edited)
This is a great discovery on that death certificate regarding Adam dying a day before the shooting incident in Sandy Hook. If this is genuine that he died the day before the shooting, then the next questions begs as to what was the real cause of his death?
Somebody seriously ought to submit this to those in Congress concerning yesterday's discussion on C-SPAN on gun control. Cause I'm really starting to suspect that the usual suspects are those in our government behind these shootings to create mass hysteria.
I'm just fed up and not listening to any more sob story accounts of shootings. I just change the channel. Too many shooting incidents which many lead up to coincidences that point to this clandestine government staging them. True, that some of these shootings may be isolated but too many have been related to each other and many of them have WAY too many holes in their stories for the people like myself to even have empathy for.
Eric Holder appeases Mexican gang members over the Southern border by aiding, abetting and covering up gun supplying and ammunitions to the international drug cartel mafias. And of course, he's the same asshole that wants to take away our guns. I'm not sick of guns... I'm sick of the lies we are being fed!

purplerose posted on 2013-01-31 14:13:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#149. To: wudidiz (#147)
coinicidence?

Coincidence as in maybe it's a different Adam P. Lanza? Seems unlikely to me.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-31 15:16:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#150. To: wudidiz (#147)
Thanks for posting that pic, btw. I couldn't get it to display downsized.
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GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-31 15:19:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#151. To: purplerose (#148)
This is a great discovery on that death certificate regarding Adam dying a day before the shooting incident in Sandy Hook.

Hat tip to the Intelhub and posters there for that investigative info. I just clerically filed it here with an archived-article reference on the family's New Hampshire roots.

If this is genuine that he died the day before the shooting, then the next questions begs as to what was the real cause of his death?

Yes and also about the possible complicity of his alleged family members in the Sandy Hook scheme of things.

Somebody seriously ought to submit this to those in Congress concerning yesterday's discussion on C-SPAN on gun control. Cause I'm really starting to suspect that the usual suspects are those in our government behind these shootings to create mass hysteria.

I suspect that too and suspect Congress would ignore all evidence that is contrary to their tyrannical agendas.

I'm just fed up and not listening to any more sob story accounts of shootings. I just change the channel. Too many shooting incidents which many lead up to coincidences that point to this clandestine government staging them. True, that some of these shootings may be isolated but too many have been related to each other and many of them have WAY too many holes in their stories for the people like myself to even have empathy for.

I suspect much of what's called world history has been stage-managed hoaxings, gov-sponsored clandestinely and otherwise.

Eric Holder appeases Mexican gang members over the Southern border by aiding, abetting and covering up gun supplying and ammunitions to the international drug cartel mafias. And of course, he's the same asshole that wants to take away our guns. I'm not sick of guns... I'm sick of the lies we are being fed!

Reconstituted citizen State Militias would be a powerful Constitutional antidote for their lies.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-31 16:17:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#152. To: GreyLmist (#149)
Coincidence as in maybe it's a different Adam P. Lanza?

No. Coincidence as in heavy sarcasm.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 16:52:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#153. To: GreyLmist (#150)
Thanks for posting that pic, btw. I couldn't get it to display downsized.

You're welcome.
Add "width=800" (without the quotations) after the " before the >

No more, no less.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 16:58:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#154. To: wudidiz (#152)
No. Coincidence as in heavy sarcasm.

Oh. lol My sarcasm detector was on the fritz. :/ Thanks for the pic sizing directions in your next post. I recalled you telling us about that before and tried it several times. It's worked well on other pics (like the Sandy Hook photos about the weather issue) but not that day for that one for some reason. Likewise, sometimes I can set video displays to start here at a particular point of time and sometimes I can't. Get a message about frames format incompatibility for that option or some such wording to that effect or else no message about why it isn't working. Usually works ok, though, for setting the video urls to start at the site at a particular point by appending #t=XhXmXs at the end of the url path with X being the number of hours, minutes, and seconds as needed.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-01-31 18:21:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#155. To: noone222 (#139) (Edited)
Pure speculation adds nothing and may be counter-productive if it leads to furthering negative opinions relative to "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hat wearing bitter clingers."

I think she knows that all too well, which is exactly why she does it, and very poorly might I add. She certainly doesn't hold a candle to BeAChooser.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-31 19:51:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#156. To: noone222, GreyLmist (#135)
...Riddled With Wide Eyed Speculation That Stretches The Imagination Far Past the Breaking Point Causing Ones Brain to Develop a Foggy Grey Mist...

Whose brain?
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 21:05:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#157. To: GreyLmist, noone222 (#138)
Well, even if you do mind, I reckon.

Well, yeah.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 21:06:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#158. To: noone222, GreyLmist (#139) (Edited)
Pure speculation adds nothing and may be counter-productive if it leads to furthering negative opinions relative to "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hat wearing bitter clingers."

Speculation is counter-productive?
Is it the cause of negative opinions to "conspiracy theorists"?
I think that credit goes to the conspirators.
Now, anyone who buys that "tin-foil hat conspiracy theory" load of counter-productivity is useless and doesn't matter anyway.
Just sayin.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 21:13:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#159. To: RickyJ, GreyLmist, noone222 (#155) (Edited)
Pure speculation adds nothing and may be counter-productive if it leads to furthering negative opinions relative to "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hat wearing bitter clingers."

I think she knows that all too well, which is exactly why she does it, and very poorly might I add. She certainly doesn't hold a candle to BeAChooser.

How the hell can you compare BeAChooser to GreyLmist?

"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-01-31 22:10:30 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#160. To: wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, noone222 (#159)
What is it exactly that you're trying to prove wud?
Serious confusion exists on the reported facts alone, it it not necessary to try to tie Charles Linberg or King Tut from Egypt to the killings. What purpose does wild speculation serve other than to cloud the picture?
It comes down to dealing with the most likely scenarious, not the most remote and unlikely ones unless there is truly strong reason to do so.
So I'm asking, what are you trying to achieve?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-01-31 22:17:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#161. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist (#160)
making an effort to stop the hypocritical control freaks from bothering someone who's very bright, very hard working and putting in a lot of painstaking effort to discover the truth about things that have happened.
understand I'm biased as I know firsthand how much more perceptive and discerning Grey is than some of the posters that are antagonizing her.
I don't expect this answer to satisfy you, but there you have it anyway
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-02-01 0:19:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#162. To: purplerose (#148)
Eric Holder appeases Mexican gang members over the Southern border by aiding, abetting and covering up gun supplying and ammunitions to the international drug cartel mafias. And of course, he's the same asshole that wants to take away our guns. I'm not sick of guns... I'm sick of the lies we are being fed!

"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-02-01 0:23:47 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#163. To: GreyLmist (#151)
I suspect much of what's called world history has been stage-managed hoaxings, gov-sponsored clandestinely and otherwise.

The old adage is proven true all the time, the victors write the history books. And the first casualty of war is the truth.

"It is the habit of unhappiness to rewrite our lives and from a different beginning come to a different ending. We cling to the past and what it could have been; what we wanted, or thought we wanted, before we were taught by a broken heart that our own good intentions have little effect on the way things are."
D. W. Buffa, Breach of Trust
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-02-01 0:26:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#164. To: All (#161)
The producers of these psyops know something most of us don't.
They know that most people will believe the Big Lie.
They know that anyone who looks and sees through the veil will be ridiculed and ostracized.

They're counting on it.
And so they should. It happens every time.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-02-01 0:32:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#165. To: wudidiz, All (#164)
www.veteranstoday.com/201...on-aurora-and-sandy-hook/
The Nexus of Tyranny: The Strategy Behind Tucson, Aurora and Sandy Hook

christine posted on 2013-02-01 1:16:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#166. To: christine, GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops*, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch*, *No Planers* (#165)
Sandy Hook poses so many uncertainties and even contradictions that it should come as no surprise that virtually every aspect of whatever happened is being subjected to the most minute scrutiny.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-02-01 1:42:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#167. To: wudidiz (#164)
The producers of these psyops know something most of us don't.
They know that most people will believe the Big Lie.
They know that anyone who looks and sees through the veil will be ridiculed and ostracized.

They're counting on it.
And so they should. It happens every time.

I agree.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being literally raped every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-02-01 4:42:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#168. To: christine (#165)
The Nexus of Tyranny: The Strategy Behind Tucson, Aurora and Sandy Hook

This is an extremely interesting look at the mass shootings. It shows to what extremes some entity is willing to go in order to subjugate us. It's actually very concerning, dangerously concerning to consider how well their programming has worked. These ghouls are not a part of us. They can't be, can they ?
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being literally raped every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-02-01 4:51:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#169. To: noone222 (#167)
I agree.

Thank you.
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-02-01 5:02:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#170. To: noone222, christine, all (#168)
www.abeldanger.net/2012/1...rayleigh-enterprises.html
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-02-01 5:21:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#171. To: wudidiz (#170)
If you think about it the PTB have had us living in an illusion that they've created for at least 100 years (through a financial prison) ... is it a stretch to think that these shootings are simply more of the same ?
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-02-01 5:26:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#172. To: noone222 (#171)
Not according to my experience.
I'm looking at Serco RCA DHS Freemason Satanic Pedophile Ring Hollywood
It goes deep.

It's too much, I'm going to sleep.
(rhyme unintended)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz posted on 2013-02-01 6:12:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#173. To: James Deffenbach (#163)
I suspect much of what's called world history has been stage-managed hoaxings, gov-sponsored clandestinely and otherwise.

The old adage is proven true all the time, the victors write the history books. And the first casualty of war is the truth.

I think the truth can be mended despite its enemies. Their ahistorical and histrionic bunkum we can do without.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-02-01 13:39:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#174. To: wudidiz (#161)
Thank you, wud. My independent research here on the Lanza family has been more controversial than I thought it would be, sparse as it was. Even so, I think the New Hampshire info that I might not have noticed or archived otherwise was useful, at least to me, regarding the social security data until further research from elsewhere was more publicly known. My research on the Paley family is even sparser, so hopefully there will be less rumblings when I post that at another thread where I have a some notes stored pertaining to them.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-02-01 14:39:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#175. To: All (#141)
BEST NEWS Sandy Hook School Teacher Vicki Soto, Died a Hero Shielding Her Students From Gunman - YouTube

Noticed that the Soto family interview video that was posted and linked at #137 and #141 has been deleted. Am re-posting it from the todaynews.today.com source.
Article with video at the page: Slain hero teacher's family: 'She loved those students more than anything'
Video popout link

Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-02-01 15:02:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#176. To: wudidiz (#172)
MUST SEE! Sandy Hook Versus Real Existence School Shootings! And Also The Academy Award Would Go To?

Itistoolate posted on 2013-02-01 15:50:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#177. To: wudidiz (#166)
Sandy Hook was another attampt by the anti-gunners to whip up support to take our guns away.
This would be the first step to tyranny.
The Bill of Rights spells out our rights in the First Amendment, and then tells us how to protect those rights in the 2nd Amendemnt with the 'right to keep and bear arms". This right is an "individual right" as noted by the Supreme Court in Heller v. City of Chicago. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2013-02-05 17:46:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#178. To: wudidiz (#170)
"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

What a great quote - thanks and Amen!
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2013-02-05 18:04:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#179. To: GreyLmist (#143)
Excerpt from an article at veteranstoday.com: Sandy Hook was “them” doing 9/11 “on the cheap.”

I agree with this completely. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2013-02-06 17:11:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#180. To: wudidiz, Lod (#170)
This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless.

This is the most important part of the quote. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2013-02-06 17:13:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#181. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#77) (Edited)
"...Drill before the event: A highly circulated photo depicts students walking in a single file formation with their hands on each others’ shoulders and eyes shut. Yet this was the image of a drill event that took place some months prior to the event itself...."

Cross-referencing Post #7 at 4um Title: Joyce Riley Interviews Mike Powers Sandy Hook Investigation (Edited version no commercials)
Re: interview statements by the alleged school nurse, the Paley twins, and student Ella Seaver on being told to close their eyes while walking; similar to Barry Jennings' statement about being instructed repeatedly by a firefighter to not look down while walking through WTC 7.
Edited for spacing.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-02-08 0:34:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#182. To: All (#67)
Sandy Hook Elementary School Nurse Sally Cox EXPOSED Newtown Shooting FRAUD - YouTube
At 1:29-1:32 boy in short sleeve shirt, female in white shirt
At 1:37-1:41 several children with no coats and thin shirts, two in short sleeve shirts
At 6:49 boys with thin shirts and no coats, one in short sleeves

That video has been removed and I can't find a copy of it.
Replacement video and pic showing people dressed in summery clothing (shorts, short sleeves) and others without coats, not appearing to be cold:
Sandy Hook News Chopper Helicopter - Crystal Clear - HD and Zooms - YouTube
Published on Jan 24, 2013
@4:31 we see Gene Rosen near the corner of the building, @4:41 the man in the purple top steps precisely with his back to the sun on the shadow of the utility pole, the shadow of the utility pole and this man line up precisely. Extending that shadow path to the driveway across the street, we can arrive at a Time Stamp due to shadow direction analysis of 10:57am EST. Plus or minus 4 minutes.

[My note: Post #70: From midnight until the hour of 11 a.m., temperatures decreased for 8 hours far below the freezing point (from 23 to 21 degrees), then went to very near freezing (34 degrees) for 2 hours until 11 a.m. when it registered at 40 degrees ... with the winds and humidity impacting the windchill factor, which would make it seem colder than the logged temperatures.]

Sandy Hook - woman in short sleeve blue shirt:

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-02-08 2:22:06 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#183. To: All (#182)
Post #87: Video and Photographic Record + Analyses and Newtown Weather Reports

Video near the bottom of Post #67 listed there was removed. A replacement video and pic are posted at #182.

This post is my updated template for the Newtown weather issues and info.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-02-08 2:39:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#184. To: GreyLmist, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, Itistoolate, titorite, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#183)
asheepnomore.net/2013/10/...ananda-street-sandy-hook/
sandyhooktruth.wordpress....records-yogananda-street/
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-10-29 2:43:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#185. To: wudidiz, 4 (#184) (Edited)
asheepnomore.net/2013/10/...ananda-street- sandy-hook/ [Title: "Interesting Property Records – Yogananda Street (Sandy Hook)" Posted on October 28, 2013 | Pic: record of addresses for Peter Lanza; Adam Lanza not listed as a relative]
sandyhooktruth.wordpress....records-yogananda- street/ [Title: "Interesting Property Records – Yogananda Street" Posted on January 10, 2013 | Pic: record of addresses for Peter Lanza; Adam Lanza not listed as a relative]

Very interesting indeed. Other than a slight variation in the above pic addresses for the Peter Lanza Properties Record, the article info and linked sources for it seem to be the same at both sites, with an easier reading format at the 2nd site: sandyhooktruth.wordpress.com
Am archiving the article's linked sources here:

The properties can be viewed here, just type in “Yogananda” street.
data.visionappraisal.com/NewtownCT/search.asp [Edit to add: Routes to vgsi.com/vision/Applications/ParcelData/Home.aspx]
John Trentacosta is the CEO of Newtown Savings Bank
nsbonline.com/blog/?p=202
and is also on the Federal Reserve Advisory Council.
acorn-online...trentacosta-named-to-federal-reserve-advisory-council.html [Edit to add: link not working]
Snapshot of Trentacosta article with United Way info
sandyhooktruth.files.wordpress...trentacosta-federal-reserve.jpg?w=640
Fundraising info link:
montville-ct.patch.com...newtown-savings-bank-teams-with-united-way...

The endnote at the site you listed 1st, asheepnomore.net, has an interesting Pic on the school demolition. It recommeds reading all of the comments at the sandyhooktruth.wordpress.com but I recommend the Comments section at both sites. There is only one currently at asheepnomore.net and it talks about the Navy shipyard shooting too. The sandyhooktruth.wordpress.com site references much intriguing research at September cluesforum.info on CT State Rep. John Frey of the "White House Fellows" program.
Re: the United Way fundraising management/Disaster Capitalism connection in the article, noted and linked above
In the aftermath of 9/11, CNSNews.com did extensive investigative reporting regarding September 11th Fund misspending and administrative abuses of trust by its handlers: the United Way, the Red Cross, the New York Community Trust, etc. This link has a copy of one of those reports: UNITED WAY - 9/11 funds go to left-wing causes unconnected with terror (you MUST read this!) 4um Post-reference for that at #76 here. More at #66 here re: "some undetermined amount that was being allocated through Red Cross/United Way managers of the 9/11 Fund for the purpose of legal representation for incarcerated terror suspects like the Dancing Israelis."
Edited for bracketed link notations, spelling and spacing + to reword last paragraph.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-10-29 19:42:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#186. To: wudidiz, All (#185) (Edited)
John Trentacosta is the CEO of Newtown Savings Bank
nsbonline.com/blog/?p=202

Excerpts from the statements posted there by John F. Trentacosta on January 5, 2013:

Our Bank is actively providing support in our role as depository for the Sandy Hook School Support Fund. We have been receiving thousands of letters, phone calls and contributions from all over the world. ... The volume of mail over the past several weeks has been so great that we reassigned many of our employees to attend to this. Last weekend, our Trustees, and their spouses, provided generous assistance opening mail and sorting checks in our Community Room.

This is to clarify and correct the header info for these two Trentacosta links:

and [John Trentacosta] is also on the Federal Reserve Advisory Council.
acorn-online...trentacosta-named-to-federal-reserve-advisory-council.html [Edit to add: link not working]
Snapshot of Trentacosta article with ~~United Way~~ Federal Reserve info
sandyhooktruth.files.wordpress...trentacosta-federal-reserve.jpg?w=640

On the Trentacosta/Fed Res issue: Couldn't find even a Wayback Machine page-copy for the non-working, acorn-online newslink. Also couldn't find a newscopy for the unsourced article-snapshot linked at sandyhooktruth.files.wordpress (dated April 1, 2011 and titled there as: "Newtown Savings Bank president John Trentacosta named to Federal Reserve advisory council") but I was able to find a corroborative Press Release from March 2011 by Newtown Savings Bank, titled there as: "Newtown Savings Bank President Named to Federal Reserve Bank Council" and "Newtown Savings Bank President Named to Federal Reserve Bank of NY CDIA Council". That's also corroborated at jasperjottings-daily.com...page/2/ | jlinkedin-trentacosta-john and at linkedin.com under John Trentacosta's Additional Information: ... Federal Reserve Board Community Depository, Institutions Advisory Council 2009 – Present ...
This is a link for Google's html cache of the file: http://www.newyorkfed.org/aboutthefed/annual/annual12/advisory.pdf for the "FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK ADVISORY GROUPS 2012 ANNUAL REPORT", where Trentacosta's name is listed on Pg. 2 there but somewhat anomalously (like numerous others throughout those 6 sample pages) with an odd mixture of caps and lowercase letters (JOhN F. TRENTACOSTA President and Chief Executive Officer Newtown Savings Bank Newtown, Conn. COMMUNITY DEPOSITORY INSTITUTIONS ADVISORY COUNCIL). Rather sloppy for an official report.
The federalreserve.gov site has a posted letter, allegedly from Trentacosta, that is addressed to them, the Treasury Dept., the FDIC and is also copied to Senators Richard Blumenthal and Joseph I. Lieberman (Sample pages at Google's html cache here; Full version at: http://www.federalreserve.gov/SECRS/2012/October/20121025/R-1442/R- 1442_101612_109393_566338455062_1.pdf). Will post some excerpts from that 4 page letter in another posting.
This is to expand the header of this link (which is last in the archived list at Post #185 above for the sandyhooktruth.wordpress.com references) to clarify that it is the link Re: the United Way fundraising management/Disaster Capitalism connection

Fundraising info link: CT newsource with article info on the United Way,
Newtown Savings Bank and its CEO/Pres. Trentacosta (Federal Reserve council/advisor)
montville-ct.patch.com...newtown-savings-bank-teams-with-united-way...

This is an excerpt from that article:

The bank can't disclose how much has been raised so far, but support has been widespread and the United Way has been utilizing the press and social media to spread the word.

Edited for spacing.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-10-30 21:00:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#187. To: wudidiz, Itistoolate, All, *Banker and Finance Weirdness* (#186) (Edited)
The federalreserve.gov site has a posted letter, allegedly from Trentacosta, that is addressed to them, the Treasury Dept., the FDIC and is also copied to Senators Richard Blumenthal and Joseph I. Lieberman (Sample pages at Google's html cache here; Full version at: http://www.federalreserve.gov/SECRS/2012/October/20121025/ R-1442/R- 1442_101612_109393_566338455062_1.pdf). Will post some excerpts from that 4 page letter in another posting.

Flagged Itis to this post because the alleged Trentacosta letter to the Federal Reserve, et al. (noted above and from October of 2012 -- two months before the alleged Sandy Hook shootings), seems to have something to do with Switzerland's Bank of International Settlements and its Basel III regulations wreaking havoc on mortgage and bank solvency issues here. These are some excerpts about that:

RE: Basel III Capital Proposals
Over the past fifteen years, in order to continue to service its marketplace and to enhance earnings, the Bank has entered the secondary mortgage market. We currently have $825 million in loans that we have sold but have retained servicing. Given the capital constraints of a mutual bank, placing these loans in portfolio would have been virtually impossible.
with respect to mortgage banking the current proposal's restrictions on mortgage servicing rights will negatively impact our capital and consequently our ability to maintain our current position in our market place. This will clearly reduce competition, create a higher reliance on the national players and result in higher pricing for our consumers.
The complexity of the mortgage risk weights based on loan-to-value ratios will create a regulatory burden for us. Over the last several months, we have reacted to the needs of certain borrowers that would have qualified for Federal programs such as HAMP or HARP except that we had sold these loans to the Federal Home Loan Bank under their MPF Program. Non-eligibility for favorable treatment for loans sold to the FHLB system remains a mystery to us. These borrowers have reached out to us for assistance and we have attempted to meet their needs by repurchasing these loans and offering more favorable terms.
the current proposal's restrictions on mortgage servicing rights will negatively impact our capital and consequently our ability to maintain our current position in our market place. This will clearly reduce competition, create a higher reliance on the national players and result in higher pricing for our consumers.
In addition this aspect of the proposal could materially impact the Bank's earnings.
I am sure I am not the only banker concerned with the proposal to increase risk weights for delinquent loans. Since we already set aside reserves for loans that fall into more serious stages of delinquency, this proposal would have us take charges to capital twice. This appears to make no sense to us in the industry as loan risk is currently managed through the ALLL process. If this proposal were to be adopted, we would clearly be less inclined to work with our borrowers and more likely to deploy balance sheet clean-up strategies through loans sales. Once placed in the hands of "problem asset purchasers" this could have a negative impact on housing, in general.
Also we question the limitation of 1.25% of total risk-weighted assets for the loan loss reserve. We believe this to be counter-intuitive to building stronger balance sheets and safer banks.
The Bank currently has an unrealized gain of $1.1 million in available for sale securities on its bond portfolio. When rates eventually rise, these bonds have the capacity to be significantly under-water, negatively impacting capital under the proposed rules. This will eventually lead the Bank into classifying more securities into "Held to Maturity" which will have an adverse effect on the Bank's liquidity management. An increasing focus on HTM classifications will also result in the Bank purchasing shorter duration instruments and require management to adjust investment policies and practices, accordingly.
More specifically, the changes to the residential mortgage risk-weights will have a profound impact on the Bank's regulatory capital ratios causing our risk-weighted assets number to increase by at least $20 million for this change alone. The increase is likely to be higher than that; however, it is difficult to track all of those instances where the Bank holds both a first and second mortgage on the same property whereby the second lien pushes the loan-to-value above the stated threshold causing both loans to be treated as Category 2 loans.
The impact of a 150% risk weight for non-residential nonaccrual loans results in an additional $4.7 million increase for risk-weighted assets. Finally, although not fully effective until 2018, the amount of the Bank's combined mortgage servicing assets and deferred tax assets below the deduction threshold level must be risk weighted at 250%. The Bank's risk-weighted assets will jump another $15 million when this goes into effect. Although difficult to model with certainty given the complexity and vagueness of the proposed rules, the Bank's Tier 1 Risk-Based Capital and Total Risk-Based Capital ratios will be further negatively impacted by all of these risk-weighting changes.
While supporting stronger capital requirements for the U.S. banking system, Basel III makes no differentiation for community banks and in particular, the mutual form of organization.
It appears that our form of organization was not considered at all when considering these proposed capital rules.
If left unaddressed, the Basel III proposals could be the beginning of a rapid decline of the mutual form of organization among Banks. This would be a terrible loss for the industry and the communities that we serve.

Soon thereafter, Fed Res councilman/advisor John Trentacosta's Newtown Savings Bank became the depository for undisclosed amounts of money contributed to the Sandy Hook School Support Fund -- in conjuction with the United Way, a notorious maladministrator of the September 11th Fund (Reference the last paragraph of Post #185 above).
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-10-30 22:22:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#188. To: All, *9-11* (#187) (Edited)
Soon thereafter, Fed Res councilman/advisor John Trentacosta's Newtown Savings Bank became the depository for undisclosed amounts of money contributed to the Sandy Hook School Support Fund -- in conjuction with the United Way, a notorious maladministrator of the September 11th Fund (Reference the last paragraph of Post #185 above).

Sandy Hook School Support Fund and September 11th Fund info ping, Posts #185, #186 and #187.
Edited to add clarifications.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-10-30 22:38:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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