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Title: Alex Jones interview with Piers Morgan on CNN. He did not do himself or the movement any favors. It was embarrassing to watch.
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Published: Jan 7, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-01-07 21:37:18 by christine
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#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
I kinda got a kick out of that. lmao!
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-01-07 23:11:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: christine (#0)
Christine I am at a loss for words. Just unbelievable. If someone was sitting in their living room and watching this what do you think was their impression ? I almost felt sorry for Morgan. This is the man that has stated on his program that he is the leader of the patriot movement. Good God!

john stadtmiller posted on 2013-01-07 23:19:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
Someone should have tazed Jones and dragged him off the stage.

I don't watch or listen to Alex Jones or to Piers Morgan. So I think I can be pretty objective in my impression of this interview.
Alex Jones had all the facts at his finger tips - he was well prepared, I'll give him that - but because he tried so hard to squeeze every fact in, obviously fearing he would not have a chance, he'd be cut off - Jones does come across frenzied and frazzled - Piers Morgan plays Jones like a piano.
It's too bad. I agree with you, JT.
I think the anti-gun folks won re: this particular interview because Jones was too intense, too fearful, too emotional - symbolizing the type of irrational gun owner MSM wants to show as justifying gun control, ie. not wanting the Jones kind of person getting his hands on lethal weapons.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-08 0:00:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: john stadtmiller (#10)
I wouldn't get too worked up. They're both nothing more than shock jocks.
Don't blame me. I didn't vote.
Obnoxicated posted on 2013-01-08 0:30:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Obnoxicated (#12)
I wouldn't get too worked up. They're both nothing more than shock jocks.

It is all show business for them. Heck, this Piers guy might even be a decent guy in real life, but he has a part to play and he plays it for the bucks.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-08 0:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: john stadtmiller (#10)
Christine I am at a loss for words. Just unbelievable. If someone was sitting in their living room and watching this what do you think was their impression ? I almost felt sorry for Morgan. This is the man that has stated on his program that he is the leader of the patriot movement. Good God!

Apparently Alex Jones does not know how to debate in calm rational manner. He has done the same to people calling in on his radio show. This could be precisely the reason Piers had him on the show. He knew how he would act.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-08 1:01:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: All (#14) (Edited)
Alex should have brought this up, but he was too angry I suppose to think clearly. Looking at people killed with guns in each country is not the right way to compare homicide in America and homicide in Great Britain.
The correct way to compare it is to look at all homicides regardless of the way the person was killed. The total for 2010 in the USA is 14,748. The total for Great Britain in 2010 is 636. But since America has approx 6 times the population of Great Britain to properly compare the two nations regarding homicide rates you must either multiply the Great Britain stats by 6 or divide the USA stats by 6. If you multiply the Great Britain stats for homicide in 2010 by 6 it is 3,816.

That is a lot less than America, but Great Britain also has a much lower amount of illegal immigrants than the USA and that inflates the USA numbers by quite a bit. Many Mexican criminals wanted for murder in Mexico come to the USA to avoid being captured. They continue their life of crime here and inflate our homicide numbers.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-01-08 1:15:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Obnoxicated (#12)
I wouldn't get too worked up. They're both nothing more than shock jocks.

Furthermore, the folks who watch CNN already have their minds made up.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-01-08 2:00:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: scrapper2 (#11)
I think the anti-gun folks won re: this particular interview because Jones was too intense, too fearful, too emotional - symbolizing the type of irrational gun owner MSM wants to show as justifying gun control, ie. not wanting the Jones kind of person getting his hands on lethal weapons.

Precisely.
The proper way to win this debate is to just say, "We have a Constitution. It is the highest law of the land."
That throws the ball back and makes it very hot for them to touch. ANY response along the "Well nothing is absolute" or "They didn't mean an M16!" is met with, "Well, the First Amendment didn't forsee obnoxious Cable Talk-Jocks either. When are you terminating your show?"
The point is, you're not going to win on their turf and on their terms. You have to play the Schoolteacher Game with them and leave them with a binary choice -- the choice you want and something nobody wants.
A people unwilling to use force, once diplomatic efforts have been exhausted, in order to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule over them.

mirage posted on 2013-01-08 2:05:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: mirage (#17)
The point is, you're not going to win on their turf and on their terms. You have to play the Schoolteacher Game with them and leave them with a binary choice -- the choice you want and something nobody wants.

That's about the size of it.
I couldn't bring myself to watch the posted videos because I don't want to pop a gasket before I've even had my coffee this morning. I know I'd get just as mad as AJ listening to Morgan ooze out the predictable blend of cant and recrimination we've become familiar with that's always directed toward 2nd Amendment folks.
But "temper, temper" Alex Jones. It's the motormouth Welshman in him. The man cannot introduce a guest without launching into a number of war stories and rendom digressions. He simply cannot shut up strategically and listen strategically which is part of effective debate.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken
randge posted on 2013-01-08 6:39:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: scrapper2 (#11)
Alex Jones had all the facts at his finger tips - he was well prepared, I'll give him that - but because he tried so hard to squeeze every fact in, obviously fearing he would not have a chance, he'd be cut off - Jones does come across frenzied and frazzled - Piers Morgan plays Jones like a piano.
It's too bad. I agree with you, JT.
I think the anti-gun folks won re: this particular interview because Jones was too intense, too fearful, too emotional - symbolizing the type of irrational gun owner MSM wants to show as justifying gun control, ie. not wanting the Jones kind of person getting his hands on lethal weapons.

I don't think Jones lost any true believers - and he planted seeds regarding pharmaceuticals, low murder rates re: semi-automatics, genocide where guns are banned and the tyrant always bans the gun.
Somebody has to get angry - the 2nd Amendment sits precariously on the edge of death. Someone has to "SCREAM" the communists are coming, the fascist are coming, and wake America out of its CNN coma.
That being said, you are right that Jones tries to place to much info into the conversation all at once, which may be too much for the comatose. However, these folks aren't going to resist anything govt mandates. (Are they ?)

noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 8:03:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: RickyJ (#14)
Apparently Alex Jones does not know how to debate in calm rational manner.
This could be precisely the reason Piers had him on the show. He knew how he would act.

I agree in part and have stated many times that Jones is often obnoxious. To his credit though, the TV hosts take advantage of a restrained or timid guest, and he know it. (There are a kazillion examples of so-called conservative hosts like Bill Is'Raeli, Scam Hannity, Michael Scurvy, Glenn Buck, and the Russian Jew, Michael Mevedev, walking all over someone they've invited to debate.
I'm sure Jones saw this as a live opportunity and may have over-played his hand a bit.
He made many points that NEVER get made on MSM.

noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 8:10:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: randge (#18)
I couldn't bring myself to watch the posted videos because I don't want to pop a gasket before I've even had my coffee this morning. I know I'd get just as mad as AJ listening to Morgan ooze out the predictable blend of cant and recrimination we've become familiar with that's always directed toward 2nd Amendment folks.
The point is, you're not going to win on their turf and on their terms.
But "temper, temper" Alex Jones. It's the motormouth Welshman in him. The man cannot introduce a guest without launching into a number of war stories and rendom digressions. He simply cannot shut up strategically and listen strategically which is part of effective debate.

All of the above !

noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 8:12:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
Someone should have tazed Jones and dragged him off the stage.

Ha ! Let's not get violent. All it looks to me like they needed to do was fry up a Wimpy Burger and let the aroma waft out onto the stage - whereby Jones would have appeared to have fled the scene ! Man, he hasn't missed a meal in awhile - and he constantly claims to have lost 47 pounds !
I'll gladly debate you Tuesday for a burger today !

noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 8:17:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
Someone should have tazed Jones and dragged him off the stage.

In some very few instances, even I might recommend psycho-tropic drugs.
Hehehehehe.

noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 8:33:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: noone222, 4um (#22)
Man, he hasn't missed a meal in awhile

Yep, true indeed. My political mentor, many years ago, told one of the more rotund members of our circle that you can't fight the NWO if you can't touch your toes. He is a man who as a 17 y/o kid landed on Iwo Jima and spent 47 days in hell. How right he was about being in shape and fighting the enemy.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-08 8:45:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: noone222 (#20)
There are a kazillion examples of so-called conservative hosts like Bill Is'Raeli, Scam Hannity, Michael Scurvy, Glenn Buck, and the Russian Jew, Michael Mevedev, walking all over someone they've invited to debate.

This made me laugh :)

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-08 8:49:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: noone222, 4 (#23)
Joyce Riley is taking calls re: AJ's rant last evening.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2013-01-08 8:51:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: scrapper2 (#11)
Alex Jones had all the facts at his finger tips - he was well prepared, I'll give him that - but because he tried so hard to squeeze every fact in, obviously fearing he would not have a chance, he'd be cut off - Jones does come across frenzied and frazzled - Piers Morgan plays Jones like a piano.

As usual scrapper, a dead on assessment!

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-08 8:52:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Lod (#26)
Good morning Jim and thanks. This should be interesting.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-01-08 8:54:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Jethro Tull, mirage, 4 (#28)
mirage had a good summary on another thread - (and good morning to you) -

Most people don't know how to debate and aren't prepared for traps and pitfalls. Alex walked into this one willingly and hung himself out to dry.
We 'get it' that Alex wanted a piece of Piers Morgan's hide. That is perfectly understandable, but the same passion that drove Alex to seek a piece of Morgan's hide and keeps Alex's listeners tuning in was also his undoing on Morgan's stage.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2013-01-08 8:57:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: noone222 (#21)
I believe that the psychologists at Communist News Network thoroughly discussed 'what would/might happen' and came to the conclusion that HE would be perceived as the one with the GUN in his hand. 'crazy one withe the gun,'

Itistoolate posted on 2013-01-08 9:09:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Itistoolate, 4 (#30)
When cnn began, 1 June 1980 (I looked it up), it was fresh and different and we had no internet like today.
Thirty-two years later, it sucks like all the rest of msm. imo
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod posted on 2013-01-08 9:27:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
haaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

christine posted on 2013-01-08 10:57:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: john stadtmiller (#10)
If someone was sitting in their living room and watching this what do you think was their impression

that's exactly what Bill and I said. i was actually cringeing.

christine posted on 2013-01-08 11:00:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: scrapper2 (#11)
I think the anti-gun folks won re: this particular interview because Jones was too intense, too fearful, too emotional - symbolizing the type of irrational gun owner MSM wants to show as justifying gun control, ie. not wanting the Jones kind of person getting his hands on lethal weapons.

bullseye

christine posted on 2013-01-08 11:01:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: mirage (#17)
CNN or shows like it would never ask someone like Edwin J. Vieira to appear.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owb5dMBR3w8

christine posted on 2013-01-08 11:14:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Itistoolate (#30)
I believe that the psychologists at Communist News Network thoroughly discussed 'what would/might happen' and came to the conclusion that HE would be perceived as the one with the GUN in his hand. 'crazy one withe the gun,'

This is likely true. Jones almost always tries to jam too much info into a short space of time and it does make him look aggressive.

noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 11:20:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: noone222, Paul Joseph Watson's Fb comment (#19)
Americans are being pepper-sprayed for protesting, having drone bombs dropped on innocent people in their name, have had their entire financial future stolen, and are about to have their only means of defense against tyranny confiscated by the government, and yet (a minority) of people are pissed at Alex Jones for being angry? We should all be fucking livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped in the ass every day?

christine posted on 2013-01-08 11:37:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: All, and Cindy Sheehan's FB post (#37)
Cindy Sheehan I support a citizens right to keep and bear arms for self-defense against the government--would ban assault weapons for everyone (first the cops), but I support taking guns away from this dude--(what a great "spokesperson" you all have for gun rights). swampland.time.com/2013/0...iers-morgan-v-alex-jones/

christine posted on 2013-01-08 11:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: john stadtmiller (#10)
I almost felt sorry for Morgan.

Did you "feel sorry" for him as well when he ambushed Larry Pratt of GOA?
I guess Alex should have just acted meek and let Morgan walk over him.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
Bill D Berger posted on 2013-01-08 12:29:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Bill D Berger (#39)

Dershowitz feels uncomfortable, are we supposed to care?

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
hondo68 posted on 2013-01-08 12:52:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: christine (#35)
CNN or shows like it would never ask someone like Edwin J. Vieira to appear.

Yep, getting Viera on CNN isn't going to happen.
Most CNN audiences don't know history very well. The US was born in Revolution and the Right To Revolt was preserved for the people.
Here's a fun exercise I did some time ago. Take a look at the Bill of Rights in order and then think about how a rebellion is planned.
The First Amendment guarantees you the right to sit with people and discuss it.
The Second Amendment guarantees you the right to get the tools to pull it off with.
The Third Amendment keeps the Government from posting a snitch in your house.
The Fourth Amendment ensures that the Government can't raid your storehouse out of the blue.
But what if you get caught?
The Fifth Amendment allows you to remain silent and ensures you can't be tried twice for it.
The Sixth Amendment guarantees you a speedy trial so you don't languish in prison forever - guarantees you a lawyer and to a jury so they can acquit you.
The Seventh Amendment allows juries to set rules and guarantees common law courts and that the jury gets to try the facts
The Eighth Amendment guarantees you won't be boiled in oil or tortured as an "example to others".
The Ninth Amendment guarantees your right to go forth and do it again if you fail.
Its a very strange document laid out in a peculiar order.
A people unwilling to use force, once diplomatic efforts have been exhausted, in order to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule over them.

mirage posted on 2013-01-08 12:56:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: christine (#37) (Edited)
We should all be fucking livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped in the ass every day?

Now there's a freaking tagline !
We should all be fucking livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped in the ass every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 13:05:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: mirage (#41)
I've never seen that version or interpretation of the BOR.
Hah and thanks!

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-01-08 13:05:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: mirage (#41)
The Eighth Amendment guarantees you won't be boiled in oil or tortured as an "example to others".

You'll never be able to enjoy the yummy goodness of kosher-slaughtered deep fried Esso.
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-01-08 13:06:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: mirage (#41)
The First Amendment guarantees you the right to sit with people and discuss it. The Second Amendment guarantees you the right to get the tools to pull it off with. The Third Amendment keeps the Government from posting a snitch in your house. The Fourth Amendment ensures that the Government can't raid your storehouse out of the blue.
But what if you get caught?
The Fifth Amendment allows you to remain silent and ensures you can't be tried twice for it. The Sixth Amendment guarantees you a speedy trial so you don't languish in prison forever - guarantees you a lawyer and to a jury so they can acquit you. The Seventh Amendment allows juries to set rules and guarantees common law courts and that the jury gets to try the facts The Eighth Amendment guarantees you won't be boiled in oil or tortured as an "example to others". The Ninth Amendment guarantees your right to go forth and do it again if you fail.
Its a very strange document laid out in a peculiar order.

Brilliant.
We should all be fucking livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped in the ass every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 13:19:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Bill D Berger (#39) (Edited)
Did you "feel sorry" for him as well when he ambushed Larry Pratt of GOA?

I have known Larry as long as I have known Jones. It was Morgan that did himself no favors by trying to belittle him. He made himself look bad. Jones had a pefect opportunity to slam dunk him. There is a way to debate. You do it like any politician. You acknowledge their point and continue with what you want to make a point about. He was "acting" for his audience. Not trying to convince Piers audience was a mistake. People are conditioned to vote for the best actor or performer. Sad to say but it is what it is. It's called situation awareness. He came off like a complete ass***e. Years ago Mark Koernke and myself did a couple interviews/ He did Sam Donaldson of ABC evening news and I did McNeil/Leher Report on PBS. I told Mark to dress up and kill Donaldson with kindness and smiles. He did and it and destroyed Donaldson. This was on the issue of Militia of which was a powder keg. We did this to perfection. Marks interview was live and mine was taped and they still could'nt make me look bad. The AJ/PM circus was an abject disaster.

john stadtmiller posted on 2013-01-08 13:52:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: john stadtmiller (#46)
He did and it and destroyed Donaldson.

AJ does his homework, and I'm always impressed with his recall on a pretty wide range of issues. He's got very little self control however, and his lack of self- possession often reveals itself at critical moments and in critical encounters.
I don't harbor some of the darker suspicions of this man that some hold, but at this juncture I'm patronizing cooler heads as far as sources of information go. A little less bullhorn and a little less bull is in order.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. - H. L. Mencken
randge posted on 2013-01-08 14:36:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: john stadtmiller (#46)
He was "acting" for his audience. Not trying to convince Piers audience was a mistake. People are conditioned to vote for the best actor or performer. Sad to say but it is what it is. It's called situation awareness. He came off like a complete ass***e. Years ago Mark Koernke and myself did a couple interviews/ He did Sam Donaldson of ABC evening news and I did McNeil/Leher Report on PBS. I told Mark to dress up and kill Donaldson with kindness and smiles. He did and it and destroyed Donaldson. This was on the issue of Militia of which was a powder keg. We did this to perfection.

1st off, you should admit that you don't like Jones. Jones competes with your network so knowing him and Larry Pratt the same length of time really has no bearing on anything. Piers Morgan ate Pratt's lunch, and if anything Jones ate his own lunch, but he didn't let Piers Morgan run all over him like he did Pratt.
2ndly, you say Jones was "acting" for his audience and maybe he was. However, you mention dressing Koernke up and coaching him to respond with nice talk and smiles. Isn't that "acting" ?
Look John, you and Jones have different styles for sure. I actually prefer your style to his, but I'd be a liar if I didn't admit that I sometimes might haul off and punch somebody's lights out when I'm fucking sick of yacking about something. Whether one or the other of you two guys (Jones or You) is more productive remains to be seen. I don't hold out much hope for you two to ever see eye to eye (though I wish that were different). But I do know this much about the two of you. Neither of you are gonna give up your guns because Obama or the entire gang of thugs in D.C. order it.
Piers Morgan's show on CNN doesn't have a very large audience. His audience last evening may have been more Alex Jones listeners/viewers than those of Piers Morgan. Whatever the viewership was composed of, gun owners left or right are fairly certain of their right to keep and bear arms and their determination to turn them in or not will not have been affected by Jones' big mouth.
Maybe Jones witnessed the treatment given to Pratt and decided to do the same to Morgan. I know that Morgan abused Pratt without concern for the audience or truth. Jones may have abused the audience but he did it with the truth.
I have had times in my life where I was so pissed off that I welcomed the ass- whippin if the other guy could deliver it, haven't you ?
Last of all, I don't think it hurts anything for an enemy to think I'm a little crazy !
We should all be fucking livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being metaphorically raped in the ass every day?
noone222 posted on 2013-01-08 14:39:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: noone222 (#48) (Edited)
I highly dislike jones.

The y2k broadcast alone should of had him removed from he air.
The trinidad incident demostraited his complete untrustworthyness.
The parking lot incident shown him to be a petty liar and a weak fighter. LOL
The Austin gun show protest was distressing and eye opening for many.
The charlie sheen thing... that got ratings through antics.
But did little to oppose the tyranny...
in fact I think it made the tyranny lol... which I loath because the system as it stands is foul and corrupted. It uses controled media. Propaganda. Tools like alex jones and Rand paul to identify dissidents and contain them through their medias of their choice. So I am not very surprised at all by this latest ill performance on Ajs part. He serves the tyranny well to have him puppeted around as a kind of leader.. He has even made front page yahoo. But is he really doing all that he can in opposition of the tyranny? Or has he done more to help it... That's an opinion call I guess... for now...

I'm still a very big Jack Blood fan. I even got another fellow turned on to deadline not so long ago. :)
I hear John Stadtmiller is pretty enlightening too but I wouldn't know as I have never listened to his show.

___FIRE
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