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Title: Military's deadliest sniper killed on gun range of resort near Glen Rose
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Ft. Worth Star Telegram
URL Source: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/0 ... s-deadliest-sniper-killed.html
Published: Feb 3, 2013
Author: By Barry Schlachter
Post Date: 2013-02-03 01:38:49 by scrapper2
Keywords: Chris Kyle murdered, author of "American Sniper"
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Comments: 52
Chris Kyle, a retired Navy SEAL and the U.S. military's most lethal sniper, was fatally shot Saturday along with another man on the gun range of Rough Creek Lodge, a posh resort just west of Glen Rose, Erath County Sheriff Tommy Bryant said. A suspect was arrested about five hours later in Lancaster, southeast of Dallas, more than 70 miles from the scene, Bryant said. The suspect, identified as Eddie Ray Routh, 25, was pursued to a house in Lancaster by officers, including a local SWAT team. Routh tried to flee in a vehicle but was stopped about 9 p.m. after spikes were laid across a road, Bryant said. "The suspect has been caught and is in custody in Lancaster," he said. Erath County sheriff's investigators and Texas Rangers were securing a capital murder warrant, he said. Witnesses told sheriff's investigators that the gunman opened fire on the two men around 3:30 p.m., then fled in a pickup belonging to one of the victims. The Sheriff's Department didn't get a call until around 6 p.m. Rough Creek Lodge is 77 miles southwest of Fort Worth between Glen Rose and Hico. The motive for the shootings remains unclear, Bryant said. "Not a clue, absolutely no idea." WFAA/Channel 8 quoted unnamed sources as saying that Kyle, who lived in Midlothian, and a neighbor had taken Routh on an outing to help him deal with post-traumatic stress disorder. Routh turned on the men and shot them in the back, the report said. The sheriff said he could not confirm how the victims were shot. In January 2012, the Cleburne Times-Review reported that Routh, of Lancaster, was arrested in Johnson County on suspicion of driving while intoxicated. Public records show that Routh previously lived in Camp LeJeune, N.C., a major Marine base. Kyle, 38, who is survived by a wife and two children, was the author of American Sniper, a 2012 autobiography. A 1992 graduate of Midlothian High School, he attended Tarleton State University. He tried to join the Navy in 1996 but was rejected after a physical exam revealed pins in his arm from a rodeo injury. Three years later, Kyle was working on a ranch in Colorado when a Navy recruiter called. He was trained as a sniper and served 10 years. He never disclosed exactly how many enemy combatants he shot, but the Pentagon certified more than 150 of his kills during four tours in Iraq. Some news reports credited him with up to 255. His confirmed kills exceeded the exploits of legendary Marine Carlos Hathcock, whom Kyle called "the best sniper in the world." Hathcock had 93 confirmed kills in Vietnam. In all, Kyle was awarded two Silver Stars, five Bronze Stars with Valor, and two Navy and Marine Corps Achievement Medals. "I don't care about the medals," Kyle told the Star-Telegram in a 2012 interview. "I didn't do it for the money or the awards. I did it because I felt like it was something that needed to be done and it was honorable. I loved the guys." A member of SEAL Team 3, Kyle picked off his targets from rooftops or windows of abandoned buildings during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which toppled Saddam Hussein. Primarily serving as a sniper and wounded twice, he provided "overwatch" protection for Marines and other U.S. troops and earned a reputation for his proficiency. Most shots ranged from 200 to 1,200 yards. His longest and most remarkable kill -- from 1.2 miles away -- took out an insurgent aiming a rocket launcher at an approaching Army convoy. During the second battle of Fallujah, Kyle said, he killed about 40 insurgents. He shot several through an apartment window while lying atop an overturned baby crib. From a second-story perch in Ramadi, Kyle spotted two men approaching on a motor scooter. As it slowed, the rider in back dropped a backpack into a pothole, setting an improvised explosive device. As the scooter sped up, Kyle fired once from about 200 yards, taking aim at "center mass," the middle of the body. "Like a laser," he said of his .300 Winchester Magnum. With the men still seated upright, the scooter wobbled, veered and crashed into a wall. "Bullet went through both of them," Kyle said. "The taxpayer got good bang for his buck on that one," he wrote. According to Army intelligence, he said, Iraqi insurgents nicknamed him al-Shaitan Ramad -- "the Devil of Ramadi." After the service, Kyle became president of Craft International, a Dallas firm that provided military and law enforcement sniper training as well as private security. The deadliest sniper in U.S. military history was scheduled to speak Feb. 27 at Tarrant County College Northwest Campus in Fort Worth. The four-hour presentation, "Preparing a Warrior's Heart," was to cover having the "mindset" for survival, being prepared for a fight and "being OK in the aftermath." Kyle wrote in American Sniper that he had zero remorse for his combat kills. Every person he shot, he said, was trying to harm Americans or Iraqis loyal to the new government. As the son of a deacon, as a husband and as a protective father of two young children, Kyle wrote, "I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job." Poster Comment: "WFAA/Channel 8 quoted unnamed sources as saying that Kyle, who lived in Midlothian, and a neighbor had taken Routh on an outing to help him deal with post-traumatic stress disorder. Routh turned on the men and shot them in the back, the report said." No good deed goes unpunished.
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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)
Better sooner than later, before his god sobers up. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Be interesting to sit in on his discussion with God about that whole "Thou shalt not kill" thingy.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. "Well, like man, I don't want ya killin anyone, unless ya got some serious smiting or smoting to do." Or "Thou shalt not kill anybody that reads the same book as you, hangs the same colored piece of cloth from a stick as you, or OWNS YOU!" “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
It seems to me that the U.S. military preys upon the deep rooted patriotism found easily in the Southern States. Pariotism and youth are a dangerous combination. Without life experiences and an understanding of the evil men and other forces at work constantly to create wars for their own purposes it's hard to put the blame on someone that doesn't possess an evil intent. Looking back at America's history in war there seems to me little doubt that most were fought by the poor for the benefit of the elites, and the grounds upon which these wars were based were either false or secondary to war profits. I wonder if this guy (Routh) read the sniper's book after having done a couple of tours in the middle east himself. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Another report has Kyle being the Seal with whom Jesse Ventura is engaged in litigation. I wonder if the alleged assailant Routh is an alex jones fan? Ironic Story of the Month winner.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Ironic and sad that the sniper was too dumb to understand that the Iraqis are responding to foreign invaders, are defending their own territory, behaving exactly as would the sniper if the situation were reversed. He died dumb. "The 'uniter' has brought the entire world together - to despise and deride us." Lod
No shit, and the guy has a mental condition defense to boot ! Live by the sword - die by the sword. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Pussy. Simo Hayha, a Finnish sniper during WWII, is the best sniper ever. 505 confirmed kills of Russians, in less that 100 days. That's confirmed. It may have been 700. By the way, he was killing invaders, just as the Iraqis and Afghans are. "Have Brain, Will Travel
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken ... and I'm guessing this was the cause of death. Cost: $50 per person / per hour (two-hour minimum) + sales tax + 21% service charge. Ammunition is additional. 100-yard “Moving Target System” also available for additional charge. Shit! “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Yeah - the pricing was posh enough all right.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken The service charge was what really gakked me.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken wouldn't it though? (that made me laugh) On Sunday the 27th CBS ran a show "Let's Give Up on the Constitution" hosted by Jewish Profession Michael Seidman. He said the Constitution is out of date and should largely be discarded. Get it? It's out of date, and we need to substitute Marxism. You've got to convince the sheeple that we need to get rid of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Most of this has been done already, and the Second Amendment is the next to go. There was no rebuttal of course.~Roger Mason
agreed. On Sunday the 27th CBS ran a show "Let's Give Up on the Constitution" hosted by Jewish Profession Michael Seidman. He said the Constitution is out of date and should largely be discarded. Get it? It's out of date, and we need to substitute Marxism. You've got to convince the sheeple that we need to get rid of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Most of this has been done already, and the Second Amendment is the next to go. There was no rebuttal of course.~Roger Mason
Yeah, but it's the after activities that are killer ! We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Rastas: "Rufas, wat I don get is wat de hell is dis service charge?" Rufas: "Why you dummy, it say rite cher de service charge be 21%." “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Maybe he paid the moving target fee. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Yes, or as my good buddy Loddy would say, "Amen." Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. Wow! You guys are a tough crowd. No one feels even a teeny tiny bit of sadness that this guy was murdered by and while he was trying to help a fellow military person deal with PTSD?
No remorse. This dude was murdering people that were trying to defend their homes, country, not unlike the police & military will do to us when given the orders. I think this is called karma. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. The PTSD-diagnosed perp was no doubt on SSRI's and had been reduced to being a sofa-bound pill-popper who had picked up a nasty booze habit (at least one DWI). He was NOT a candidate for gun-range therapy, he was a candidate for being run through an obstacle course for about two months to rid his body of the pernicious influence of the SSRI's he was on.
"I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job."
#2. To: Hmmmmm (#1)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#3. To: Esso (#2)
Be interesting to sit in on his discussion with God about that whole "Thou shalt not kill" thingy.
#4. To: scrapper2 (#0)
(Edited)
Kyle, who lived in Midlothian, and a neighbor had taken Routh on an outing to help him deal with post-traumatic stress disorder.
#5. To: scrapper2, all (#0)
America's Restart Button
#6. To: scrapper2 (#0)
#7. To: Lod (#6)
Ironic Story of the Month winner.
#8. To: Lod (#6)
(Edited)
Ironic Story of the Month winner.
#9. To: scrapper2, All (#0)
(Edited)
certified more than 150 of his kills during four tours in Iraq. Some news reports credited him with up to 255.
#10. To: noone222, Bub, shooters, 4 (#8)
guessing that this is the 'posh' resort where the shootings happened -
#11. To: Lod (#10)
guessing that this is the 'posh' resort where the shootings happened -
#12. To: Hmmmmm (#11)
#13. To: Hmmmmm (#11)
#14. To: Esso (#2)
Be interesting to sit in on his discussion with God about that whole "Thou shalt not kill" thingy.
#15. To: Bub (#7)
Ironic and sad that the sniper was too dumb to understand that the Iraqis are responding to foreign invaders, are defending their own territory, behaving exactly as would the sniper if the situation were reversed. He died dumb.
#16. To: Lod (#12)
Yeah - the pricing was posh enough all right.
#17. To: Lod (#13)
The service charge was what really gakked me.
#18. To: noone222 (#16)
Yeah, but it's the after activities that are killer !
#19. To: Bub, Lod, 4um (#7)
Ironic and sad that the sniper was too dumb to understand that the Iraqis are responding to foreign invaders, are defending their own territory, behaving exactly as would the sniper if the situation were reversed. He died dumb.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#20. To: All (#0)
#21. To: scrapper2 (#20)
No one feels even a teeny tiny bit of sadness that this guy was murdered by and while he was trying to help a fellow military person deal with PTSD?
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#22. To: scrapper2, All (#20)
-Alex Kurtagic
#23. To: X-15 (#22)
Good point! The PTSD-diagnosed perp was no doubt on SSRI's and had been reduced to being a sofa-bound pill-popper who had picked up a nasty booze habit (at least one DWI). He was NOT a candidate for gun-range therapy
#24. To: scrapper2 (#20)
We're all just tired of the endless ziobanker/corporatist war, and the gutless CONgress that continues to fund these crimes. As Ron Paul told us, over and over, there will be blowback from our actions; both there and here.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#25. To: scrapper2 (#20)
Alive, Kyle was a "Hero", a role model, a mentor, teacher, recruiter, nurturing the next generation of killers we spew into the world. Marketing himself by his number of kills, proudly proclaiming he had nothing to fear from God. I personally don't care whether it was greed, desperation, or ignorance that made them sign on the dotted line. Was Murder Inc. treated with respect? How about the crips, bloods, or MS13? The best treatment they should get by an informed moral population is shunned. We no longer have one. No one feels even a teeny tiny bit of sadness that this guy was murdered by and while he was trying to help a fellow military person deal with PTSD?
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#26. To: Hmmmmm (#25)
We no longer have one. [Well said]. The best treatment they should get by an informed moral population is shunned. We no longer have one.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#27. To: Hmmmmm (#25)
I could anticipate why folks - myself included - being anti useless wars would not regret the passing of war decision makers or of war profiteers. I was a bit surprised tho that on this thread all posters were so uniformly negative to a "war hero" soldier's passing who was trying to help another soldier to get out of his depression with 3-some outing. I understand the reasoning but nonetheless I was surprised to read the 100% agreement.
#28. To: scrapper2 (#27)
We're coming from an unlawful war/unlawful order point of view. Not that we're happy to see anyone die, it's just that blowback/karma are real and do happen. We believe that this was a good example of it.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#29. To: Esso (#21)
as a veteran with medals from both bush wars I must concur with your assessment.
I used to be in a hurry, then I figured out I was just getting nowhere fast.
#30. To: scrapper2 (#0) (Edited)
Sounds like some accomplices had the gunman's back so he could try and escape. Seems all that's ok as long as he thought he was being a sniper doing right too. Edited for highlighting. Witnesses told sheriff's investigators that the gunman opened fire on the two men around 3:30 p.m., then fled in a pickup belonging to one of the victims. The Sheriff's Department didn't get a call until around 6 p.m.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#31. To: scrapper2 (#0)
I don't know who that neighbor was but apparently he must have deserved it for being buddies with Kyle. There's no such thing as Karma. WFAA/Channel 8 quoted unnamed sources as saying that Kyle, who lived in Midlothian, and a neighbor had taken Routh on an outing to help him deal with post-traumatic stress disorder. Routh turned on the men and shot them in the back, the report said.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#32. To: scrapper2 (#27)
Regrettably I believe most of us have matured through the support our troops, to the end the aggression and support our troops and have had to come to the conclusion that the dichotomy of the wars and the troops cannot be done in a for profit all volunteer armed forces. And then there is US blood and treasure being spent to solely to benefit corporations and foreign countries. Finally and maybe most important, "Beware standing armies" it is only a matter of time before these troops, these weapons and these tactics WILL be used against us. The length of time is not up to me. I remember years ago loudly and rudely protesting for the release of out troops for a week at the Chinese embassy in DC when they downed one of "our" EP3 spy planes in their airspace. I wouldn't do it again if they bombed Pearl Harbor, DC, and Camp Pendleton. Who's fault is that? I dunno.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#33. To: GreyLmist (#30)
Good catch. Lengthy time lag (2.5 hours) before authorities were notified.
#34. To: scrapper2, GreyLmist, 4 (#33)
I caught the delay thingie on the afternoon blurb...how can that be remotely possible at a resort like RoughCreek.com - is it really that rough?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#35. To: Lod, GreyLmist, Tomy the Mad Artist, 4 (#34)
Apparently the murders were not discovered for 2 hours. Isn't there supposed to be a range supervisor present on the premises at all times or even other people who would be using the range in the afternoon? www.wfaa.com/news/crime/rough-creek-189536271.html snip Investigators said Routh, a former Marine and expert marksman who is said to suffer from post-traumatic stress syndrome, is believed to have turned his weapon on Kyle and the second victim, killing them both at point-blank range about 3:30 p.m. Their bodies were not discovered until nearly two hours later.
#36. To: scrapper2, Lod, TommyTheMadArtist (#35)
Maybe the witnesses who knew about the shootings for 2.5 hours before the Sheriff should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Maybe one of them is a doctor and they waited to call anyone until the doctor determined that the men had bled to death. TommyTheMadArtist: Just a week or so ago, we had 3 shootings at 3 different gun shows on the same day. Now, a trained military sniper, killed a gun range by someone who apparently fled the seen in the vehicle that was driven there by the two dead men. The shooter is characterized as a ptsd vteran. So, the socialists will say all veterans with ptsd are dangerous. Gun ranges are dangerous. Not even a trained sniper could prevent a murder from happening. Do you know who ptsd people kill the most? Themselves. Which tells me that were looking at another convenient lie.4um Title: - Post #1 Not even a gun range had enough good guys with a gun to stop one bad guy with a gun
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#37. To: GreyLmist (#36)
As I mentioned to Tommy elsewhere, this story is beginning to smell, really smell badly.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#38. To: Lod, Itistoolate (#37)
Meant to flag Itistoolate on the last post. It's not enough for America to constantly go on Defense against PsyOp/BlackOps to expose the fakery and try to block legislative moves to Communize America. PsyOps/BlackOps are Acts of War. As I mentioned to Tommy elsewhere, this story is beginning to smell, really smell badly.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#39. To: GreyLmist (#38)
Caught this on FR: "Kyle was sued by former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura over a portion of the book that claims Kyle punched Ventura in a 2006 bar fight over unpatriotic remarks. Ventura says the punch never happened and that the claim by Kyle defamed him." "Kyle had asked that Ventura’s claims of invasion of privacy and “unjust enrichment” be dismissed, saying there was no legal basis for them. But a federal judge said the lawsuit should proceed. Both sides were told to be ready for trial by Aug. 1." Read more: www.foxnews.com/us/2013/0...-seal-chris-kyle-fatally- shot-at-texas-shooting-range-report-says/#ixzz2JqnEJQ00 “Kyle is also famous for knocking loudmouth Jessie Ventura on his ass in a bar in front of a number of witnesses, although Venutra later denied it.” “... the SEALs were in the bar to mourn the loss of team member. They had gathered with the family of Medal of Honor recipient Mike Mansoor when Ventura made it known to many that he did not agree with the war. Kyle claims that he approached the former governor, and asked him to keep it down, informing Jesse that the family of the deceased was also with them. That’s when Ventura unleashed more of his insensitive comments and Kyle reportedly countered with a one-punch knockdown. Earlier this week, The Blaze featured a story about Chris Kyle and his autobiography that explains his amazing prowess with a rifle. We know now that Chris is also accurate with his fists and at close range. Here’s the interview from the Opie and Anthony show on Wednesday. Chris Kyle explained the encounter with Jesse “the Body” Ventura. (Content warning, this video contains what the Navy might call “salty language:”) www.theblaze.com/stories/...sed-a-navy-seal-to-punch- jesse-ventura-in-the-face/
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#40. To: randge (#39)
It'll be interesting to hear Jesse's take on all this...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#41. To: Lod (#40)
This is a little dated, but from what Jesse says, it sounds like Kyle's story is pretty suspect if not outright bullshit.
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