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Title: Why People Identify with Jordan Dorner
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UncleBob's Treehouse
URL Source: http://uncabob.blogspot.com/2013/02 ... entify-with-jordan-dorner.html
Published: Feb 9, 2013
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2013-02-09 19:38:04 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 1669
Comments: 29
Trample, trample, trample, kick, shoot, punch, beat, murder, laugh, get away with it. No one in his right mind agrees with Jordan Dorner murdering people, but I have met a lot of people who are living through him vicariously. They don't much care - or don't care at all - as long as he's killing police officers. They don't even much care he's murdered innocent people - because they are the relatives of people that Dorner thinks humiliated and abused him. The next question is, of course, why are people getting a vicarious thrill out of this? It's got to the point where many police forces are deadly corrupt. They get away with murdering innocent people, shooting or beating them to death, paralyzing them, putting them into permanent comas or anything else you can think of. And they almost always get away with it. And they laugh and high-five each other. That's why people are angry. And most police just don't get it. They have no comprehension that many people see them as the bad guys, because they are the bad guys. They also don't get that humiliation is always followed by revenge. The Greeks called it Hubris followed by Nemesis. Hubris meant to originally humiliate someone in public, and they considered it so obscene they banned it from the theater. Nemesis, for all practical purposes, means "revenge." Dorner was clearly a psychologically fragile man from the git-go. You don't take someone like that and just dump him in the street and say "bye bye." He saw it as unbearable humiliation, and now he's taking his revenge. That's a law of human nature, and many of the police are too stupid and naive to understand how human nature works. Police officers aren't supposed to be "police" officers. They're supposed to be Peace Officers. Some are, but many aren't. People tell me there are many "good cops" out there. Oh really? Name one "good" cop who's turned in a bad cop. Not three bad cops. Not two bad cops. One bad cop. The last time I can remember that happening was Serpico, and his fellow cops tried to kill him. When I was growing up police officers did not act like this. I never had a problem with the police in my hometown, even though they pulled me over once when I accidentally ran a red light at night, in the rain, during construction. They didn't even give me a ticket. I even had two pick me up when I was hitchhiking as a teenager. So don't think I'm against the police. I'm against bad cops who do very bad things to innocent people, and then have no problem with it. On the other hand, I've dealt with police forces, that if someone was killing them, and I knew who it was, I wouldn't turn him in. It's amusing how the cops in California have suddenly turned coward. One guy told me there are no longer any motorcycle cops to be seen. And now they're proving Dorner's point about corruption by shooting up vans with innocent people in them, including one with two tiny Aian women. Personally I have problems telling two tiny Asian women (including one over 70 years old) from a 270-pound black muscleman. I also find it interesting that one determined man with a gun has tied up an entire police force. So much for those who think tyrants cannot be fought because they have tanks, planes, etc. It's all for naught if those on the ground are targeted...or their families, as Dorner did. Malicious coward and bullies, abusing people, ignoring their rights, murdering, beating and stealing, including in illegal searches, ignoring every Constitutional right....and nothing happens to them. Where is the justice? That is why people are vicariously living through Jordan Dorner. Because they don't like cowardly, sadistic, fascist thugs pretending to be Peace Officers. And getting away with evil and the legal system doing nothing about it except calling it good.
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)
I thought that it was Christopher, not Jordan, but a great analysis to be bumped. Thanks YT. (Go, Rambro, go) “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken Christopher Jordan Dorner. "Have Brain, Will Travel
Bob certainly grasps my sentiments. The mention of cops allowing a subject to bleed out in order to get the necessary overtime to pay for an RV or ATC turned my stomach. Ya just never know when a match is going to hit the gasoline before the wind extinguishes it. We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
Or when it turns into a raging fire. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken I'm not getting any thrill out of this. What I want to see transpire out of this are those officers named be brought to a Grand Jury. What I want also to see are the victims also mentioned along with those officers, to come forward and also testify at the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury process is not open to the public. It is secret but since we have police officers who have grossly violated State and Federal laws, assaulted and battered innocent people, the Grand Jury is about the only avenue to allow these people to have their day. By no means do I get a thrill out of this at all. I believe in transparency and full accountability of those officers involved. If a citizen should not commit a crime if they cannot do the time, then the same should apply to those officers and others in public office involved. What I'm talking about here is misprision of felony, collusion, obstruction of justice, tampering with witnesses, concealing and destroying evidence of scenes of crimes, fabricating charges on innocent people leading to those innocent going to jail murdered in jail or by the Governor of the State for a crime they never even committed. That's what I'm talking about.
That would be an excellent outcome. It might stop Dormer's murder spree ( if he's not dead already). I think MSM could play an important role in this regard, if they chose to do some investigative journalism and make the LAPD Chief of Police and LA's DA "uncomfortable" so they are the ones to call for a Grand Jury hearing. The only down side to this scenario - and it's a big one - is that other people who feel they have been shafted by The System might use Dorner's tactics to get attention, to get "justice."
Well, perhaps if this does lead to a Grand Jury investigation, which I strongly feel is where it should be anyways, it may not only help stop Dorner's further deadly missions, but also may give the people a sense of confidence and faith in the L.A. government system. Once this goes before a Grand Jury, it would put the spotlight on the very people who not only created Dorner as the fighting machine he has become but also make an example of them to the public that their cavalier and capricious conducts are not acceptable. Furthermore, for the City of L.A. to condone those unchecked actions are reprehensible and despicable.
Well, here it is. What "tactics" should other people who feel they have been shafted by The System use? Should they vote, write their representatives, protest, sue, or hit the reset button? We're in bad shape, it is a big country, if it wants an omlet it's going to take a lot of cooks breaking a lot of eggs. Continue eating your shit sandwich. “Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele “The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
The government would rather have 10,000 niggers and beaners with illegal guns out there causing mayhem than 10 white guys who knew what to do with them because while the former would cause the loss of some tax paying worker drones (easily replaced) their type of violence is no threat at all to the existing order, while the latter is a deadly threat to the Federal Empire if those 10 were willing to use violence for political goals and as we're seeing in the Dorner case, it has them pants-shittingly scared. Nothing scares these people worse than a White man with a gun saying, "Stop what you're doing."
#2. To: Lod (#1)
Christopher, not Jordan
#3. To: Turtle (#0)
#4. To: noone222 (#3)
Ya just never know when a match is going to hit the gasoline before the wind extinguishes it.
#5. To: Turtle (#0)
(Edited)
The next question is, of course, why are people getting a vicarious thrill out of this?
#6. To: purplerose (#5)
What I want to see transpire out of this are those officers named be brought to a Grand Jury. What I want also to see are the victims also mentioned along with those officers, to come forward and also testify at the Grand Jury.
#7. To: scrapper2 (#6)
#8. To: scrapper2 (#6)
The only down side to this scenario - and it's a big one - is that other people who feel they have been shafted by The System might use Dorner's tactics to get attention, to get "justice."
#9. To: Hmmmmm (#8)
Should they vote, write their representatives, protest, sue, or hit the reset button? We're in bad shape...
-Alex Kurtagic
#10. To: Hmmmmm (#8)
I'm eating salmon and halibut and filet every week. What about you? Is bluster effective? Listen up, sistah. You are not the only one who has suffered injustice. I was shafted by The System - 14 months, 3 weeks, 4 days ago to be exact. And I've been positioning myself to exact revenge by making influential friends and by giving generous donations to "good causes." My revenge, if I'm successful, will be delivered as a dish served very very cold by proxy (another person) through the courts system. If I'm unsuccessful this time round, oh well, what have I lost besides a few bucks? Another opportunity will present itself in the future. Yes, Virginia, $ can buy justice. People like you talk revolution, but that ain't happening in our life time, maybe never. Continue eating your shit sandwich.
#11. To: scrapper2 (#10) (Edited)
CNN news just revealed that LAPD is considering reopening the case of firing against Christopher Dorner because, get this, they believe that "transparency" may enable him to come out of hiding so that he can talk to the world media about what happened. See here www.cnn.com/2013/02/09/us/lapd-attacks/?hpt=hp_t1 Somebody is reading this forum real closely concerning this case.
#12. To: scrapper2 (#10) (Edited)
Hell no, of course not! My activist days are over. Now I sit on the sidelines and contribute comments, support, satire, and snide remarks. I think we are way past the point of return and whatever happens is going to be bad or worse and sooner rather than later. Years ago I told 1talmosttoolate that it was time to change his name (I had another name then on some POS west coast forum) it took him a couple years and forums before he did. A revolution to restore "a constitutional republic" where man is sovereign is a pipe dream, hell it didn't last 10 years. Good luck with your vengeance thing I hope it works out, I doubt it would for me but I don't mind standing on the sidelines cheering as cops shoot each other and make more people aware of their incompetence and thuggery. The shit sandwich wasn't meant to be directed to you but: “I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless shit sandwich reference I published. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm What about you? Is bluster effective?
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#13. To: Hmmmmm, Lod, All (#8)
Continue eating your shit sandwich. I wonder if the storyline containing love for Obama/Biden and being an advocate for gun control was added to Dorner's manifesto to keep other pissed off people from giving him armed assistance. Well, here it is. What "tactics" should other people who feel they have been shafted by The System use? Should they vote, write their representatives, protest, sue, or hit the reset button? We're in bad shape, it is a big country, if it wants an omlet it's going to take a lot of cooks breaking a lot of eggs.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#14. To: Hmmmmm (#12)
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless shit sandwich reference I published. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm "Wanna buy a tooth brush" ??? The shit sandwich wasn't meant to be directed to you but:
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#15. To: Hmmmmm (#12)
I think I may have got it by mistake since I've developed a shitty attitude and they say "you are what you eat" ! The shit sandwich wasn't meant to be directed to you but:
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#16. To: noone222 (#14)
Nah. I'm just trying to show my sensitive side. (She thinks I'm a gurl) "Wanna buy a tooth brush" ???
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#17. To: noone222 (#13)
No wondering to it... that is darn sure one among many reasons. The big question is where will he go next? I doubt Obama or Biden will be making any open air public appearances for awhile. I wonder if the storyline containing love for Obama/Biden and being an advocate for gun control was added to Dorner's manifesto to keep other pissed off people from giving him armed assistance.
_______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
#18. To: noone222 (#15)
Wellll then, maybe she was right. ... and they say "you are what you eat"
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#19. To: scrapper2 (#6)
That would be an excellent outcome. Years ago I lived in San Diego and belonged to a fairly large "patriot" group (300-400 people meeting weekly) made up primarily of the disenfranchised and ill affected. Most of these people had been attacked by the FEDS financially or the State had abducted their kids. One year, on July 4th, we had quite a large "patriot rally" consisting of about 500-600 people. We had invited Ted Gunderson and John DeCamp to speak (and some others) at a Lions Club facility. My point here is this; at the end of the meeting we were all standing proudly, singing, God Bless America and the Star Spangled Banner, when I began to get tears in my eyes and the anger I felt was extreme, overwhelming, because I realized that nearly everyone there still LOVED a country that had been butt fucking them since birth. Some here might feel Dorner's gone to extremes that they consider out of bounds or over the line. Others, like myself, might actually be living vicariously through him. In any event, the truth is that there is a very real war going on in this country and the American people are reacting much like a retarded kid would to a gang of bullies. Most Americans just don't fucking get it. If Dorner makes it to Texas I might even help him. I hate the hypocrits in uniform that have made a mockery of the Constitution and the ideal of a peace officer. It's taken me a very long time to develop the intense hatred I have for the FEDERAL FEUDAL FARM that has taken our liberty, as well as the phoney bologna political class that has managed to perpetuate the fraud while pretending to "represent" Americans. Fuck a Grand Jury. What I want to see transpire out of this are those officers named be brought to a Grand Jury.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#20. To: noone222 (#15)
In the olde days de massa lived in the big house, today we don't know where he lives as he just sends his tax man and police around to give the orders. We take the orders cause we have to. (except for you because you to smart or brave and me because I on a general strike until they come for me) I'll sit here watching the jew tube drinking jew bourbon trading AU and AG for jew money while I try my damnedest to figure out who is responsible for this mess.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#21. To: titorite (#17)
Ha ! The big question is where will he go next? I doubt Obama or Biden will be making any open air public appearances for awhile.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#22. To: noone222 (#19)
Seconded.
_______ Their are only two kinds of americans left in the USA those opposed to the tyranny and those that are wrong. Resist propaganda, Support strict constitutional adherence!
#23. To: noone222 (#19)
Well said there, noone222. If not a Grand Jury, what other means can there be justice for him and the victims? The courts are packed with corrupt judges out there. Especially those that were former L.A Police Commissioners now turned judges who see day to day that cases brought before them concerning their good old boys are quashed in the courts. Of course, you can sue the judge, if you can find them to have them served legal process. Been there, done that.
#24. To: purplerose (#23)
I've been there and done that too. In one instance I even got satisfaction but that was a rare instance and still wasn't justice. The chances that the judicial system will correct itself are pretty slim IMO. In this matter concerning Dorner I doubt there will be a trial. I don't think he'll live to see a court room or even a jail cell. Of course, you can sue the judge, if you can find them to have them served legal process. Been there, done that.
We should all be livid. Stop acting like docile, mentally castrated pussies and grow a pair. It's time to get in their face. Why should we speak in hushed tones and act all polite when we are being raped every day?
#25. To: noone222 (#24)
Yep, I agree. I don't think he'll live to see a court room or even a jail cell.
#26. To: noone222 (#24)
I don't think he intends to go to trial. I think he's a Frost fan. "The woods are lovely, dark, and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep." I doubt there will be a trial. I don't think he'll live to see a court room or even a jail cell.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
#27. To: Hmmmmm (#26)
Frost fan?
#28. To: Hmmmmm (#27)
oh, i get it. i missed the quote below.
#29. To: christine (#28)
I'm just learn'n how to do this stuff. Tags are a mess. Forgive me. oh, i get it. i missed the quote below.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
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