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Title: Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?
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Published: Apr 20, 2013
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Post Date: 2013-04-22 03:40:36 by wudidiz
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Digger shared a link with me that contains a sequence of events from a video that focuses on the double amputee that supposedly had his legs blown off. I want to share those with you here and ask you, especially if you have any trauma medical background (in the Armed Forces or ER or whatever), what is wrong with these pictures? (pictures and narrative by Fist-Of-Freedom)

I’ve studied and graduated EMT-B certification with the state of Oregon. I’ve been on calls with heavy arterial bleeds, internal bleeding, fatalities, doa’s. I am speaking from direct personal experience with severe trauma.

Here is a telling photograph of the amputee actor. I encourage readers to view the photo side by side with my analysis.

http://www.kaotic.com/media/pictures…42b556ee65.jpg

If you loose both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two. Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue. The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it. You would also see what’s called arterial spurtting from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out. As for the “tourniquet”…

Its not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There’s no pressure applied. There’s no knott with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts) His hands have no blood on them. There’s no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.

This is an actor. This is staged. How did they pull it off though? I can show you.

Here in frame six on the left we see the the man with a hood setting up the fake leg wound prosthetics. His attention and hands are right there. The woman is acting as a shield covering what’s happening.
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Here in frame eight the prosthetics are in place. Amidst all this chaos seconds after the explosion the hooded man takes the time to put on his sunglasses which is a signal.
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Here in frame nine with sunglasses now on the hooded man and the woman make eye contact, signal received.
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In frame eleven after recieving the go signal the woman makes an open hand gesture the direction both of them are looking, signaling the staged injuries are in place for cameras. The prone amputee raises his left prosthetic injury into the air over the woman’s shoulder. No blood is present. The bone is dry, no blood on his leg above the knee, no blood on the woman, no arterial spurt, nothing.
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Here in frame fourteen the woman turns her head right but is still holding up that open palm signal with her left hand. The hooded man again busies himself pouring fake blood on the pavement behind the woman. The amputee has both fake injuries in the air now. There is still no blood on his legs, his skin above the injury is clean and dry.
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Frame twenty, the fake blood and prosthetics are in place. The amputee gives an open hand gesture along with the woman to bring the cameras in. We’re now twenty frames in and still not a drop of fresh blood from a double leg amputation. His legs are dry, the woman is dry and unscathed. Both are making the same hand gesture.
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These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.

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Something about this entire thing smells to high heaven. When have you ever heard of someone with a blown off leg not bleeding? Some make the claim that it was cauterized, but obviously, the picture of them wheeling the guy out on the wheelchair shows ‘blood and gore’ (a cauterization is a burn that seals the wound). Something changed between these images and when they wheeled him out in front of the cameras.

And there is more analysis from Fist-Of-Freedom:

This image was taken by a third party photographer seconds after the first explosion. There is clear evidence of false flag staging here. The man in the red coat and baseball hat on the right is kneeling down giving directions to the guy in the white T-shirt. Also looking to this pair for direction are the woman sitting to the right and the man in a hood and sunglasses who set up the double amputee prosthetics.

Notice the relaxed posture and face of the hooded man. Notice also the calm prepared posture of the woman sitting down on the bottom right. See how her shirt sleeve is severely torn, yet her skin underneath is clean and clear of injury and blood. From where she’s sitting look right to the bottom right corner and you can see an unmarked bottle of fake blood.

Look to the left and see the cowboy hat man standing there doing nothing. This is the same man who will pretend to hold the tourniquet of the fake amputee actor later on. Look to center of the photo and you will see the african woman moving herself away from the amputee actor since her shielding him from camera’s job is over. Next to her is a woman with red hair leaning on her elbow.

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Compare this now with another photo taken seconds later. Putting them side by side is very helpful.

The man with the hood and sunglasses, who was just sitting up looking fine and healthy after fixing up the amputee actor’s prosthetics, is now on his back being evaluated by two people. Notice the rips in his jeans have no sign of blood or injury on the skin. The woman with red hair however is in the exact same pose as a minute ago. Meanwhile the double amputee actor is completely ignored by everyone when he is clearly in the most dire need of attention. There is a small amount of fake blood around him where the african lady shielding him used to be, she has dissappeared. What happened to her? Compare this photo with the first in my post.

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The african woman who was sitting up, shielding the hooded man and amputee actor’s prosthetic rigging, giving hand signals, looking left and right, having no visible blood or injuries, is now covered in blood and strapped into a spine board stretcher.

In a real medical scenario the amuptee would receive immediate treatment or die from bleed out. The fact this actor woman is removed from the scene via stretcher while the double amputee is left on the ground is ludacris. He would be dead from blood lose before they could even begin spinal assessment procedures involved in moving a patient to a stretched. Not to mention his blood lose would be over five liters, enough to cover the entire scene around these people in a thick puddle.

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From firsthand experience with trauma in the field of EMS work, this is not real. These are actors. This is all staged.

I know that many just want to believe. But I can’t help but think. So much doesn’t add up.

So, are you just a Believer or Do You Think? (Thanks, Digger)

 

UPDATED 4/21/13

KPatrickRyan shared an updated picture of the Bauman guy in the hospital (visited by Bradley Cooper). Compare him to the wheelchair man (Vogt???) and tell me who’s who.

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#1. To: All, *9-11*, *No Planers*, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch*, *Out There* (#0)


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   3:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GreyLmist, titorite, All (#1)

The MSM's got most people distracted with the fbi patsy thing, meanwhile it's all bullshit, another staged psyop.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   3:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All, *Humor-Weird News* (#2)

never let a serious crisis go to waste


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   4:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: wudidiz (#0)

Excellent documentation - thanks.

As I mentioned yesterday, it didn't look like a very "good" bomb to me.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   7:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wudidiz, All (#2) (Edited)

The MSM's got most people distracted with the fbi patsy thing, meanwhile it's all bullshit, another staged psyop.

Some analysis of the names on the web:

Tamerlan / Tamerlane (ref. a poem by Edgar Allen Poe) / Latinized name of a 14th century Turkish warlord - Timur Lenk / Amir Timur - a vicious conqueror of Uzbekistan region and patron of the arts, literature and architecture / Timer?

Dzhokhar / Jokhar / Joker? / Jahar / Zohar?

Edited for spacing and spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-04-22   11:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: wudidiz (#0)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-04-22   12:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

The contract went to a family friend or the lowest bidder or both?

No bomb - less mess to clean up.

It also helps keep the hollywood production industry going.

It's a job creation thing.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   12:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#6)

I wonder why they even bother with any of this at all. Why don't they just go ahead and implement their agenda and tell us that's the way it is now and some of us may complain, but everyone will get used to it sooner or later before they die or they just die. It must be to keep the psyop industry alive. Imagine how many aspects of our collective lives it affects. To do away with the production angle would leave an unmeasurable vacuum of unemployment.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   12:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#6)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

^ This question deserves an answer.

Brother Nathaniel's take


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   13:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: wudidiz, christine, BTP Holdings, ada, Jethro Tull, *9-11*, *WAR CRIMES*, *9-11* (#0)

Okay, I'm bewildered. I agree that something is 'way off' in these pictures. The pictures might well be another "smoking gun;" but I advise caution until their 'solid' context can be established. My eyes and mind are wide open.

When & where did these photos actually originate? Can anyone authenticate these as actually coming from the factual 4-15 bombings? My current impression is that these are from an emergency response training video, however 'consistent' that they may be. Coincidence? If so, that's still not good news.

Remembering the phony 'security' video of the fiery 9-11 B-757 Pentagon impact, no possibilities should be overlooked.

I'd suggest that all initially be careful with these pictures. It's possible to permanently hook one's personal credibility to a falling star; for all otherwise good & noble intentions.

Having dealt with more than my fair share of disinformationists; these could be the stuff of the proverbial 'red herring.'

However, if these are from an emergency response training video, do they add to the 'prior knowledge' issue? For the moment, I'd say so. Again, what is their origin?

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-22   13:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#6)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

False flags are sexy. Remember Katrina and the storm path and the "blown" levees etc? Even hurricanes can be set-ups.

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Can you demonstrate a single instance in history where incursion by niggers blacks has resulted in excellence, prosperity, or improvement owing to their presence, inventiveness, or disposition?

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-04-22   15:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SKYDRIFTER (#10)

i'm bewildered too.

A man will never speak the truth if his salary depends on perpetuating a lie. -Upton Sinclair

christine  posted on  2013-04-22   16:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA2 (#11)

hey, stranger. how've you been?

A man will never speak the truth if his salary depends on perpetuating a lie. -Upton Sinclair

christine  posted on  2013-04-22   16:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#4)

Excellent documentation - thanks.

As I mentioned yesterday, it didn't look like a very "good" bomb to me.

In this world we can no longer trust anything we see on TV or hear about in the mainstream media of any type. INcluding radio and print.

Here we can talk about the MSM yet that strange realty is ours...that nothing on tv or radio or print is trust worthy...

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Suspect all media / resist propaganda.

titorite  posted on  2013-04-22   17:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#6) (Edited)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

It is about complete and total control.

This is why real bombs and TV fakery was used instead of real planes on 911. By removing the human element it guaranteed success.

They needed a gory TV shit fest and how coincidental it happened the day before the gun ban....

SOBs.

The death toll may be very real... but the gore the photo ops and control over the chaotic situation.... to maintain control under chaos is why TV fakery and actors were used.

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Suspect all media / resist propaganda.

titorite  posted on  2013-04-22   17:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#3)

never let a serious crisis go to waste

You have no idea how badly I wouldn't mind opening up a "charity" in the name of the boston terror recompensation....

I feel terrorised.

don't we all>?

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Suspect all media / resist propaganda.

titorite  posted on  2013-04-22   17:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA2 (#11)

Hi! I wondered what happened to you. Check out this:

dontwakemeup.org

It's been on

lewrockwell.com/orig14/hill-m1.1.1.html

whatreallyhappened.com/node/233 664 , www.economicpolicyjournal...t-agents-flee-camera.html

RomanCatholicReport.com

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-04-22   17:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Artisan (#17)

As I mentioned, you need to get those made into bumper stickers and sell'em at truck stops across the country and on all your websites.

(You can send me a 5% royalty)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   18:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: titorite, 4 (#14)

In this world we can no longer trust anything we see on TV or hear about in the mainstream media of any type. Including radio and print.

Exactly correct.

Their stories are so immediately debunked by the real media of today that they are just laughable.

We reject your lies!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   18:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#15)

The death toll may be very real... but the gore the photo ops and control over the chaotic situation.... to maintain control under chaos is why TV fakery and actors were used.

From a logistical standpoint, that doesn't make much sense to me.

If I were in charge of creating a political climate that would cater to draconian controls by a central gov, and I lacked any moral compass whatsoever, I'd say go ahead and plant real bombs and kill and maim real people, and then just frame some other innocent people. Why not? It's much "safer" that way, as if you stage things and fake injuries and deaths, then the chances of it being discovered and exposed are extremely high, compared to just using real bombs and real innocent people. Take into account what could happen if things didn't go perfectly right in a staged setup. But use real bombs and things really can't go "wrong".

I mean, we are talking about the same people that were willing to kill thousands of people on 9-11, right? What's a few hundred more, mostly injuries, from Boston?

Logistically, it makes much more sense for this incident to be very real. And just because it's a "false flag" doesn't mean someone can't get hurt or killed.

Put yourself in the shoes of some evil SOB, and ask yourself if you'd fake this bombing, or do a real one.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-04-22   19:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

Logistically, it makes much more sense for this incident to be very real. And just because it's a "false flag" doesn't mean someone can't get hurt or killed.

Put yourself in the shoes of some evil SOB, and ask yourself if you'd fake this bombing, or do a real one.

Great question!

To which I have no good answer.

Thanks for turning on the thinking device here.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   20:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine, BTP Holdings, ada, Jethro Tull, , *9-11* (#12)


I went into the html code of a 'hosting' website & discovered that I knew one of those employing those pictures. I sent him an E-Mail; but haven't heard back. I'm reasonably sure that I will. He & I have compared a lot of notes over the years.

So far, there are at least four approaches to convince most that 4-15 is another inside job - and a terrifying reality. Those pictures could make a major contribution; depending upon their history.

Alex Jones cited the tremendous traffic volume that he was getting, just on the Glenn Beck 'revelation.' I think more people are paying attention, than we'd ordinarily be tempted to believe.

The Beck 'revelation' may be overblown, for the time being; but I think it may ultimately be more powerful than most would expect. For one thing, before 9-11, the Saudis were documented to be the major financiers of a long list of terrorist groups. I don't think that the core issue is the 'guilt' of the Saudis; versus the illustration of the U.S. 'higher-ups' continued sanctioning of the Saudis' power/influence and 'terror' complicity - to the exclusive benefit of corporate profits & campaign funding - and good ol' political "graft," of course.

If the FBI gets busted; the politicians get busted, right?

In the background, the corroborating content of Lieutenant Colonel Potter's latest video is independently having a major impact. Among other assertions, he makes a case for black ops 'rogue' elements being standard (don't ask; don't tell) features in all the major alphabet agencies. If it's any indication, I'm not tempted to debate a single one of his points. (That statement may not make me 'popular,' but .... .)

That video is all over the Internet!

My hunch goes to the probability that the 'accuracy' of the 'truth' positions isn't the 'official' concern; as opposed to their estimated probable effect on the mindset of the American public - relative to upcoming events, i.e., another "war" or still more powerful "Police State" legislation. If 'America' calls bullshit on the 4-15 events; there won't be sufficient support for whatever is 'secretly' in store - whatever that may be.

I think the biggest 'clue,' now in sight, is the 'classified' briefing on the FBI's presumed 'failure,' leading up to the 4-15 events. Who isn't asking why the 'briefing' is classified; add what the reality is? Ask also, why is Napolitano angrily denying the obvious? What agenda is she so passionately protecting? Saudi oil/money; or ....

"Bienvenido! No es los Estados Unidos; es Norte Mexico! Tengo mucho trabajo por su; pero dinero poquito. Es OK; si? Por favor; vote para mi! Gracias. Oh, donde es los narcoticos?"

("Welcome! It's not the United States; it's North Mexico! I have a lot of work for you; but not much money. That's okay, right? Please; vote for me! Thanks. Oh, where are the drugs?")


Given the 4-15 timing, vs. Obama's recent and highly unusual rage over the failure of the gun legislation, I'm far more concerned about an impending police state. If the legislation had passed, 4-15 would have consequently given him his "Perfect Storm (Troopers)."

At least for the moment, the NRA is (blessedly) having a field day with the "We told ya so ... no guns required!" illustration. I wish Lapierre would send Obama a copy of the failed legislation document, with "guns" crossed out - inserting "IEDs." (Damn! How could one contact Jay Leno's producers?)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-22   20:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22) (Edited)

the Saudis

meanwhile, netanyahu's spokesman says the bombing will make americans "identify with israel"...

which sort of reminds me of bibi's opinion of 9/11... "it's very good..."

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-22   21:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)

with all this goodness floating around, we have to ask ourselves if it was good enough to serve as motive to do this stuff...

...because once you get past the motive, the means and opportunity are a lead pipe cinch, arent they?

compiling a list of suspects: motive means opportunity

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-22   21:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#24) (Edited)

it's astonishing that netanyahu and his spokesman are stupid enough to say stuff like this...

...especially in view of the PNAC/AEI israeli americans saying they needed a new pearl harbor in september of 2000...

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-22   21:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lead.and.lag (#23)

meanwhile, netanyahu's spokesman says the bombing will make americans "identify with israel"...

which sort of reminds me of bibi's opinion of 9/11... "it's very good..."

Seems like the same conversation.

No one ever feels our pain; and we never seem to notice. Funny, how that works.

I think it's appropriately called "Coercive Persuasion;" the 'stuff' of Jonestown.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-23   2:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)

If 'America' calls bullshit on the 4-15 events;

That's a mighty big if. I wish it would happen, but if it won't happen when you got WTC7 being imploded before their eyes, then I doubt it will happen now.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-04-23   2:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#26) (Edited)

No one ever feels our pain...

oh, we were supposed to feel the pain, all right... that was the whole point of the 9/11 operation...

we were supposed to feel enough pain to rearrarnge the middle east and central asian oil patches to israeli/neocon specifications....

...at which point we would be able to control china's access to energy, secure israel and achieve benevolent global hegemony...

...and nevermind how many people we kill with our benevolence

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   9:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SKYDRIFTER (#26) (Edited)

the problems started right from the start, as crusader bunnypants' saudi friends disappeared into the night and half-a-dozen of the saudi "hijackers" turned up alive and pissed off.

so the "blame the saudis" idea didnt grow any wings, and the focus shifted to bin laden and afghanistan...

then came the unkindest cut of all, as putin reclaimed russia's oil from the isreli russian oligarchs, who were scheduled to guarantee oil supplies to israeli america while american armies tore up the middle east.

so now, except for the religious and racial fanatics, the focus has turned to loot... and it becomes necessary, once in a while, to stage some outrage that will distract us from looting operations like the gold market manipulation

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   9:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: All (#29) (Edited)

maybe netanyahu's gloating is a calculated risk...

maybe he's thinking: the benefits gained by telling americans what they think -- "you now have more sympathy for israel"-- outweigh the risk of people connecting the dots --"if this was good for israel, then israel must have had motive to make it happen".

or maybe he's simply dumb as an ox

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   10:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: RickyJ, christine, BTP Holdings, ada, Jethro Tull, *9-11*, *WAR CRIMES* (#27)

If 'America' calls bullshit on the 4-15 events;


That's a mighty big if. I wish it would happen, but if it won't happen when you got WTC7 being imploded before their eyes, then I doubt it will happen now.

As time goes on, at least the 'confusion' increases; but that triggers a broader curiosity - extending to 9-11.

Possibly, questions as to the 4-15 details will induce a far more popular and greater re-examination of 9-11 - including the WTC-7 'implosion.'

Right now, I'm getting curious as to the timeline of Tamerlan's 'flag' by the Russians. On their worst day, the Russians could care less about problems in the domestic U.S. Given the date of the Russian inquiry of the FBI, how could Tamerlan be a significant problem? Possible, obviously; but how 'probable?'

So far, Tamerlan's 'radicalization' seems to be far later than the Russian inquiry of the FBI. However, it would be to the highly significant benefit of Russia to cause any possible trouble for Chechans; just to stem any 'back-'home financial assistance, coming from the USA. Any volume of 'shared' FBI note- comparing would 'finger' a lot of Chechan (or other) recipients of U.S. family support - highly comparable to our effort to shut off any funding to the Middle- Eastern 'terror' groups.

Independently, the increasingly available information about the brothers Tsarnaev leans toward the all too familiar "Manchurian patsy."

My first impression of the 4-15 bombs was the unusually 'white' nature of the associated 'smoke' cloud; add the appearance of 'flour' on the sidewalk and window frame of the immediate shop.

By way of explanation - for the benefit of the obvious alphabet agencies - I grew up around the military, in Alaska. Purely by chance, I've got a lot more arm-chair knowledge of explosives than the average bear - add my time in the military; during & after the Viet Nam War, including the Alaska Army National Guard.

It's little known, but grain-based 'dust' is highly explosive - including common baking flour. The gimmick is to get the flour 'airborne' in an adequate 'local' cloud, before igniting it. The requirement is to create an effective air:flour dust 'mixture,' in the same fashion as the gas-to-air ratio of car engines.

However, if the flour doesn't detonate; the bomb is far less effective. BUT, the visual effect is dramatic; whether desired or otherwise. Another prominent 'clue' is the persistence of the blast clouds, following the associated 'ignition.' Just look to the prominent volume of the "drifted" JFK library white 'smoke,' which so far has escaped any significant observation or interest.

If flour was used, the pressure cookers were the worst possible choice, as the tight seal would do more to preclude the necessary immediat fuel:air mixture. And, I'm curious as to whether or not that was intentional. For all the appropriate emotional reactions; those bombs (collectively) actually did precious little damage.

Here's the rub - the same enduring 'prominent white cloud' is witnessed at three locations; starting with the area of the JFK Library - which seems to evade attention, discussion and investigation. In the available pictures, in the background of the supposed 'first' blast, you can see the towering/lingering white cloud of the JFK Library 'event.' Was that from the 'police test' event? It appears to be just that.

The Tamerlan FBI inquiry claim may well be legitimate, but for the moment, I'm curious to know whether or not the Russians actually made the cited Tamerlan Tsarnaev inquiry. If so, just how 'serious' was the inquiry?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-23   11:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)

After failing at making an exploding sparkler bomb, we decided to try something a bit more explosive, black powder!

We make various sized black powder grenades / bombs / what ever you want to call them, using Hodgdon FFG Triple Seven (Triple Se7en) Synthetic black powder.

Notice the white smoke (just like in Boston) -

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   11:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SKYDRIFTER, christine, Lod, titorite, GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#10)

Okay, I'm bewildered.

He's an actor. An amputee vet. Paid to pretend he got his legs blown off by a homemade bomb.

He didn't. It's fake.

That's a prosthetic limb. Fake blood.

Blood coagulates. Turns dark. Doesn't stay red like the fake stuff.

Most people don't even think about that. That's how they get away with this shit.

I looked for the original video that the frames from the above article are taken and haven't found it yet.

Personally, I feel it's safe to say those frames are from a video of the actual boston marathon bombing incident in question.

I fail to see real conclusive evidence that the hooded guy is really putting the fake limb on though.

(I sent this link to a family member:

buelahman.wordpress.com/2...believer-or-do-you-think/

Here's the email response I got:

"I guess my question which obviously this stupid jerk missed, is what about the dead eight year old and the others who are now dead actors as well?Looks like I do think after all."

That's why I come here to 4 instead.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   11:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: wudidiz, 4 (#33)

ban on pressure cookers -

A congressional investigative committee proposed a ban on 4 quart or greater pressure cookers, and limits their purchase to one per person per year, but only to those who show a PCOID (Pressure Cooker Owners Identification Card,)

Such card would be issued only after sucessful background checks from the Department of Homeland Security, the Border Patrol, Martha Stewart Online, and the Food Network.

" We have to protect people from the risks of mentally ill persons carrying high capacity pressure cookers." said Diane Feinstein.

"No one needs an assault pressure cooker," said Sen. Harry Reid ( D- NV)

California Representative Nanci Pelosi sponsored the legislation with the comment "I will include legislation that anyone posessing a pressure cooker withing 200 yards of a school, church, government building, bank, Walmart, plastic surgeon, Starbucks or Jack-in-the-Box will be subject to double the regular criminal penalty, and be incarcerated in a for-profit prison in California or even darkest Utah."

2016 presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton said " No real sportsman needs a large capacity pressure cooker, real men do just fine with small cap cookers, sauce pans or even Crock Pots"

President Barak Obama said' " Me too, I was just going to say that. I told Michelle, I told Joe Biden, I told anyone who would listen, I will set up a committee. I will go on TV. I will make speeches, I will get angry and whine on live broadcast.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   12:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#29) (Edited)

putin reclaimed russia's oil from the isreli russian oligarchs who were scheduled to guarantee oil supplies to israeli america while american armies tore up the middle east

.

the logic of the boston bombing would run like this...

putin dumps the oily israeli russian oligarchs, many of whom flee to israel...

this cripples the neocon plan to achieve benevolent global hegemony

richard perle and other neoconservatives form The American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, which, along with boris berezovsky, supports chechen terrorists who murder those kids in beslan... which is blamed on putin --it's putin's fault because he's mean to chechens

whatever, these chechen terrorists are allied with the israeli american neocons... so they might be susceptible to staging bombings that are good for israel

doesnt make much sense, really, from the chechen kids' point of view... seeing as how it is about the same thing as a suicide bombing

...but it makes lots of sense from the neocon/israeli perspective if it creates support for israel when israelis are acknowledging that their hasbara has failed.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   12:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#35)

anyhow, it looks to me like anyone who's been paying attention will already know all this stuff... so the boston bombing is likely to backfire on the neocons and israelis, whether it was a false flag or not.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   13:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Lod (#34)

lol it's getting outta control, ain't it Lod? ;)


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   14:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lead.and.lag (#36)

Do you know of any images of fatalities from the boston marathon other than this one?


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   14:23:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: wudidiz (#38) (Edited)

nope, i havent really looked at, or for, any of the pictures...

photoshop has made a dis-believer out of me

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   14:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: wudidiz (#38)

Is that real?

It looks Hollywood to me...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   14:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod (#40)

The blood on the face does look like paint.

Whether it is or not, he didn't look like that when he walked out of the boat.

Is this real? :)


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   15:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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