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Title: Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?
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Published: Apr 20, 2013
Author: BMan
Post Date: 2013-04-22 03:40:36 by wudidiz
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Digger shared a link with me that contains a sequence of events from a video that focuses on the double amputee that supposedly had his legs blown off. I want to share those with you here and ask you, especially if you have any trauma medical background (in the Armed Forces or ER or whatever), what is wrong with these pictures? (pictures and narrative by Fist-Of-Freedom)

I’ve studied and graduated EMT-B certification with the state of Oregon. I’ve been on calls with heavy arterial bleeds, internal bleeding, fatalities, doa’s. I am speaking from direct personal experience with severe trauma.

Here is a telling photograph of the amputee actor. I encourage readers to view the photo side by side with my analysis.

http://www.kaotic.com/media/pictures…42b556ee65.jpg

If you loose both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two. Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue. The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it. You would also see what’s called arterial spurtting from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out. As for the “tourniquet”…

Its not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There’s no pressure applied. There’s no knott with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts) His hands have no blood on them. There’s no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.

This is an actor. This is staged. How did they pull it off though? I can show you.

Here in frame six on the left we see the the man with a hood setting up the fake leg wound prosthetics. His attention and hands are right there. The woman is acting as a shield covering what’s happening.
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Here in frame eight the prosthetics are in place. Amidst all this chaos seconds after the explosion the hooded man takes the time to put on his sunglasses which is a signal.
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Here in frame nine with sunglasses now on the hooded man and the woman make eye contact, signal received.
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In frame eleven after recieving the go signal the woman makes an open hand gesture the direction both of them are looking, signaling the staged injuries are in place for cameras. The prone amputee raises his left prosthetic injury into the air over the woman’s shoulder. No blood is present. The bone is dry, no blood on his leg above the knee, no blood on the woman, no arterial spurt, nothing.
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Here in frame fourteen the woman turns her head right but is still holding up that open palm signal with her left hand. The hooded man again busies himself pouring fake blood on the pavement behind the woman. The amputee has both fake injuries in the air now. There is still no blood on his legs, his skin above the injury is clean and dry.
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Frame twenty, the fake blood and prosthetics are in place. The amputee gives an open hand gesture along with the woman to bring the cameras in. We’re now twenty frames in and still not a drop of fresh blood from a double leg amputation. His legs are dry, the woman is dry and unscathed. Both are making the same hand gesture.
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These are actors. This is staged. It was flash powder. There was no crock pot nail bomb. There are no bombers, only patsy. If your looking for a gunman look at the Army in the streets of Boston. Share this knowledge with everyone.

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Something about this entire thing smells to high heaven. When have you ever heard of someone with a blown off leg not bleeding? Some make the claim that it was cauterized, but obviously, the picture of them wheeling the guy out on the wheelchair shows ‘blood and gore’ (a cauterization is a burn that seals the wound). Something changed between these images and when they wheeled him out in front of the cameras.

And there is more analysis from Fist-Of-Freedom:

This image was taken by a third party photographer seconds after the first explosion. There is clear evidence of false flag staging here. The man in the red coat and baseball hat on the right is kneeling down giving directions to the guy in the white T-shirt. Also looking to this pair for direction are the woman sitting to the right and the man in a hood and sunglasses who set up the double amputee prosthetics.

Notice the relaxed posture and face of the hooded man. Notice also the calm prepared posture of the woman sitting down on the bottom right. See how her shirt sleeve is severely torn, yet her skin underneath is clean and clear of injury and blood. From where she’s sitting look right to the bottom right corner and you can see an unmarked bottle of fake blood.

Look to the left and see the cowboy hat man standing there doing nothing. This is the same man who will pretend to hold the tourniquet of the fake amputee actor later on. Look to center of the photo and you will see the african woman moving herself away from the amputee actor since her shielding him from camera’s job is over. Next to her is a woman with red hair leaning on her elbow.

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Compare this now with another photo taken seconds later. Putting them side by side is very helpful.

The man with the hood and sunglasses, who was just sitting up looking fine and healthy after fixing up the amputee actor’s prosthetics, is now on his back being evaluated by two people. Notice the rips in his jeans have no sign of blood or injury on the skin. The woman with red hair however is in the exact same pose as a minute ago. Meanwhile the double amputee actor is completely ignored by everyone when he is clearly in the most dire need of attention. There is a small amount of fake blood around him where the african lady shielding him used to be, she has dissappeared. What happened to her? Compare this photo with the first in my post.

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The african woman who was sitting up, shielding the hooded man and amputee actor’s prosthetic rigging, giving hand signals, looking left and right, having no visible blood or injuries, is now covered in blood and strapped into a spine board stretcher.

In a real medical scenario the amuptee would receive immediate treatment or die from bleed out. The fact this actor woman is removed from the scene via stretcher while the double amputee is left on the ground is ludacris. He would be dead from blood lose before they could even begin spinal assessment procedures involved in moving a patient to a stretched. Not to mention his blood lose would be over five liters, enough to cover the entire scene around these people in a thick puddle.

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From firsthand experience with trauma in the field of EMS work, this is not real. These are actors. This is all staged.

I know that many just want to believe. But I can’t help but think. So much doesn’t add up.

So, are you just a Believer or Do You Think? (Thanks, Digger)

 

UPDATED 4/21/13

KPatrickRyan shared an updated picture of the Bauman guy in the hospital (visited by Bradley Cooper). Compare him to the wheelchair man (Vogt???) and tell me who’s who.

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#1. To: All, *9-11*, *No Planers*, *Bilderberg and NWO Watch*, *Out There* (#0)


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   3:42:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GreyLmist, titorite, All (#1)

The MSM's got most people distracted with the fbi patsy thing, meanwhile it's all bullshit, another staged psyop.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   3:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All, *Humor-Weird News* (#2)

never let a serious crisis go to waste


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   4:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: wudidiz (#0)

Excellent documentation - thanks.

As I mentioned yesterday, it didn't look like a very "good" bomb to me.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   7:51:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: wudidiz, All (#2) (Edited)

The MSM's got most people distracted with the fbi patsy thing, meanwhile it's all bullshit, another staged psyop.

Some analysis of the names on the web:

Tamerlan / Tamerlane (ref. a poem by Edgar Allen Poe) / Latinized name of a 14th century Turkish warlord - Timur Lenk / Amir Timur - a vicious conqueror of Uzbekistan region and patron of the arts, literature and architecture / Timer?

Dzhokhar / Jokhar / Joker? / Jahar / Zohar?

Edited for spacing and spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-04-22   11:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: wudidiz (#0)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-04-22   12:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

The contract went to a family friend or the lowest bidder or both?

No bomb - less mess to clean up.

It also helps keep the hollywood production industry going.

It's a job creation thing.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   12:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#6)

I wonder why they even bother with any of this at all. Why don't they just go ahead and implement their agenda and tell us that's the way it is now and some of us may complain, but everyone will get used to it sooner or later before they die or they just die. It must be to keep the psyop industry alive. Imagine how many aspects of our collective lives it affects. To do away with the production angle would leave an unmeasurable vacuum of unemployment.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   12:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#6)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

^ This question deserves an answer.

Brother Nathaniel's take


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-22   13:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: wudidiz, christine, BTP Holdings, ada, Jethro Tull, *9-11*, *WAR CRIMES*, *9-11* (#0)

Okay, I'm bewildered. I agree that something is 'way off' in these pictures. The pictures might well be another "smoking gun;" but I advise caution until their 'solid' context can be established. My eyes and mind are wide open.

When & where did these photos actually originate? Can anyone authenticate these as actually coming from the factual 4-15 bombings? My current impression is that these are from an emergency response training video, however 'consistent' that they may be. Coincidence? If so, that's still not good news.

Remembering the phony 'security' video of the fiery 9-11 B-757 Pentagon impact, no possibilities should be overlooked.

I'd suggest that all initially be careful with these pictures. It's possible to permanently hook one's personal credibility to a falling star; for all otherwise good & noble intentions.

Having dealt with more than my fair share of disinformationists; these could be the stuff of the proverbial 'red herring.'

However, if these are from an emergency response training video, do they add to the 'prior knowledge' issue? For the moment, I'd say so. Again, what is their origin?

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-22   13:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pinguinite (#6)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

False flags are sexy. Remember Katrina and the storm path and the "blown" levees etc? Even hurricanes can be set-ups.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-04-22   15:53:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SKYDRIFTER (#10)

i'm bewildered too.

A man will never speak the truth if his salary depends on perpetuating a lie. -Upton Sinclair

christine  posted on  2013-04-22   16:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA2 (#11)

hey, stranger. how've you been?

A man will never speak the truth if his salary depends on perpetuating a lie. -Upton Sinclair

christine  posted on  2013-04-22   16:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Lod (#4)

Excellent documentation - thanks.

As I mentioned yesterday, it didn't look like a very "good" bomb to me.

In this world we can no longer trust anything we see on TV or hear about in the mainstream media of any type. INcluding radio and print.

Here we can talk about the MSM yet that strange realty is ours...that nothing on tv or radio or print is trust worthy...

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Suspect all media / resist propaganda.

titorite  posted on  2013-04-22   17:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite (#6) (Edited)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

It is about complete and total control.

This is why real bombs and TV fakery was used instead of real planes on 911. By removing the human element it guaranteed success.

They needed a gory TV shit fest and how coincidental it happened the day before the gun ban....

SOBs.

The death toll may be very real... but the gore the photo ops and control over the chaotic situation.... to maintain control under chaos is why TV fakery and actors were used.

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Suspect all media / resist propaganda.

titorite  posted on  2013-04-22   17:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#3)

never let a serious crisis go to waste

You have no idea how badly I wouldn't mind opening up a "charity" in the name of the boston terror recompensation....

I feel terrorised.

don't we all>?

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Suspect all media / resist propaganda.

titorite  posted on  2013-04-22   17:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA2 (#11)

Hi! I wondered what happened to you. Check out this:

dontwakemeup.org

It's been on

lewrockwell.com/orig14/hill-m1.1.1.html

whatreallyhappened.com/node/233 664 , www.economicpolicyjournal...t-agents-flee-camera.html

RomanCatholicReport.com

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-04-22   17:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Artisan (#17)

As I mentioned, you need to get those made into bumper stickers and sell'em at truck stops across the country and on all your websites.

(You can send me a 5% royalty)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   18:05:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: titorite, 4 (#14)

In this world we can no longer trust anything we see on TV or hear about in the mainstream media of any type. Including radio and print.

Exactly correct.

Their stories are so immediately debunked by the real media of today that they are just laughable.

We reject your lies!

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   18:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: titorite (#15)

The death toll may be very real... but the gore the photo ops and control over the chaotic situation.... to maintain control under chaos is why TV fakery and actors were used.

From a logistical standpoint, that doesn't make much sense to me.

If I were in charge of creating a political climate that would cater to draconian controls by a central gov, and I lacked any moral compass whatsoever, I'd say go ahead and plant real bombs and kill and maim real people, and then just frame some other innocent people. Why not? It's much "safer" that way, as if you stage things and fake injuries and deaths, then the chances of it being discovered and exposed are extremely high, compared to just using real bombs and real innocent people. Take into account what could happen if things didn't go perfectly right in a staged setup. But use real bombs and things really can't go "wrong".

I mean, we are talking about the same people that were willing to kill thousands of people on 9-11, right? What's a few hundred more, mostly injuries, from Boston?

Logistically, it makes much more sense for this incident to be very real. And just because it's a "false flag" doesn't mean someone can't get hurt or killed.

Put yourself in the shoes of some evil SOB, and ask yourself if you'd fake this bombing, or do a real one.

Pinguinite  posted on  2013-04-22   19:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20)

Logistically, it makes much more sense for this incident to be very real. And just because it's a "false flag" doesn't mean someone can't get hurt or killed.

Put yourself in the shoes of some evil SOB, and ask yourself if you'd fake this bombing, or do a real one.

Great question!

To which I have no good answer.

Thanks for turning on the thinking device here.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-22   20:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: christine, BTP Holdings, ada, Jethro Tull, , *9-11* (#12)


I went into the html code of a 'hosting' website & discovered that I knew one of those employing those pictures. I sent him an E-Mail; but haven't heard back. I'm reasonably sure that I will. He & I have compared a lot of notes over the years.

So far, there are at least four approaches to convince most that 4-15 is another inside job - and a terrifying reality. Those pictures could make a major contribution; depending upon their history.

Alex Jones cited the tremendous traffic volume that he was getting, just on the Glenn Beck 'revelation.' I think more people are paying attention, than we'd ordinarily be tempted to believe.

The Beck 'revelation' may be overblown, for the time being; but I think it may ultimately be more powerful than most would expect. For one thing, before 9-11, the Saudis were documented to be the major financiers of a long list of terrorist groups. I don't think that the core issue is the 'guilt' of the Saudis; versus the illustration of the U.S. 'higher-ups' continued sanctioning of the Saudis' power/influence and 'terror' complicity - to the exclusive benefit of corporate profits & campaign funding - and good ol' political "graft," of course.

If the FBI gets busted; the politicians get busted, right?

In the background, the corroborating content of Lieutenant Colonel Potter's latest video is independently having a major impact. Among other assertions, he makes a case for black ops 'rogue' elements being standard (don't ask; don't tell) features in all the major alphabet agencies. If it's any indication, I'm not tempted to debate a single one of his points. (That statement may not make me 'popular,' but .... .)

That video is all over the Internet!

My hunch goes to the probability that the 'accuracy' of the 'truth' positions isn't the 'official' concern; as opposed to their estimated probable effect on the mindset of the American public - relative to upcoming events, i.e., another "war" or still more powerful "Police State" legislation. If 'America' calls bullshit on the 4-15 events; there won't be sufficient support for whatever is 'secretly' in store - whatever that may be.

I think the biggest 'clue,' now in sight, is the 'classified' briefing on the FBI's presumed 'failure,' leading up to the 4-15 events. Who isn't asking why the 'briefing' is classified; add what the reality is? Ask also, why is Napolitano angrily denying the obvious? What agenda is she so passionately protecting? Saudi oil/money; or ....

"Bienvenido! No es los Estados Unidos; es Norte Mexico! Tengo mucho trabajo por su; pero dinero poquito. Es OK; si? Por favor; vote para mi! Gracias. Oh, donde es los narcoticos?"

("Welcome! It's not the United States; it's North Mexico! I have a lot of work for you; but not much money. That's okay, right? Please; vote for me! Thanks. Oh, where are the drugs?")


Given the 4-15 timing, vs. Obama's recent and highly unusual rage over the failure of the gun legislation, I'm far more concerned about an impending police state. If the legislation had passed, 4-15 would have consequently given him his "Perfect Storm (Troopers)."

At least for the moment, the NRA is (blessedly) having a field day with the "We told ya so ... no guns required!" illustration. I wish Lapierre would send Obama a copy of the failed legislation document, with "guns" crossed out - inserting "IEDs." (Damn! How could one contact Jay Leno's producers?)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-22   20:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22) (Edited)

the Saudis

meanwhile, netanyahu's spokesman says the bombing will make americans "identify with israel"...

which sort of reminds me of bibi's opinion of 9/11... "it's very good..."

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-22   21:18:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)

with all this goodness floating around, we have to ask ourselves if it was good enough to serve as motive to do this stuff...

...because once you get past the motive, the means and opportunity are a lead pipe cinch, arent they?

compiling a list of suspects: motive means opportunity

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-22   21:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#24) (Edited)

it's astonishing that netanyahu and his spokesman are stupid enough to say stuff like this...

...especially in view of the PNAC/AEI israeli americans saying they needed a new pearl harbor in september of 2000...

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-22   21:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lead.and.lag (#23)

meanwhile, netanyahu's spokesman says the bombing will make americans "identify with israel"...

which sort of reminds me of bibi's opinion of 9/11... "it's very good..."

Seems like the same conversation.

No one ever feels our pain; and we never seem to notice. Funny, how that works.

I think it's appropriately called "Coercive Persuasion;" the 'stuff' of Jonestown.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-23   2:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)

If 'America' calls bullshit on the 4-15 events;

That's a mighty big if. I wish it would happen, but if it won't happen when you got WTC7 being imploded before their eyes, then I doubt it will happen now.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-04-23   2:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#26) (Edited)

No one ever feels our pain...

oh, we were supposed to feel the pain, all right... that was the whole point of the 9/11 operation...

we were supposed to feel enough pain to rearrarnge the middle east and central asian oil patches to israeli/neocon specifications....

...at which point we would be able to control china's access to energy, secure israel and achieve benevolent global hegemony...

...and nevermind how many people we kill with our benevolence

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   9:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SKYDRIFTER (#26) (Edited)

the problems started right from the start, as crusader bunnypants' saudi friends disappeared into the night and half-a-dozen of the saudi "hijackers" turned up alive and pissed off.

so the "blame the saudis" idea didnt grow any wings, and the focus shifted to bin laden and afghanistan...

then came the unkindest cut of all, as putin reclaimed russia's oil from the isreli russian oligarchs, who were scheduled to guarantee oil supplies to israeli america while american armies tore up the middle east.

so now, except for the religious and racial fanatics, the focus has turned to loot... and it becomes necessary, once in a while, to stage some outrage that will distract us from looting operations like the gold market manipulation

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   9:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: All (#29) (Edited)

maybe netanyahu's gloating is a calculated risk...

maybe he's thinking: the benefits gained by telling americans what they think -- "you now have more sympathy for israel"-- outweigh the risk of people connecting the dots --"if this was good for israel, then israel must have had motive to make it happen".

or maybe he's simply dumb as an ox

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   10:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: RickyJ, christine, BTP Holdings, ada, Jethro Tull, *9-11*, *WAR CRIMES* (#27)

If 'America' calls bullshit on the 4-15 events;


That's a mighty big if. I wish it would happen, but if it won't happen when you got WTC7 being imploded before their eyes, then I doubt it will happen now.

As time goes on, at least the 'confusion' increases; but that triggers a broader curiosity - extending to 9-11.

Possibly, questions as to the 4-15 details will induce a far more popular and greater re-examination of 9-11 - including the WTC-7 'implosion.'

Right now, I'm getting curious as to the timeline of Tamerlan's 'flag' by the Russians. On their worst day, the Russians could care less about problems in the domestic U.S. Given the date of the Russian inquiry of the FBI, how could Tamerlan be a significant problem? Possible, obviously; but how 'probable?'

So far, Tamerlan's 'radicalization' seems to be far later than the Russian inquiry of the FBI. However, it would be to the highly significant benefit of Russia to cause any possible trouble for Chechans; just to stem any 'back-'home financial assistance, coming from the USA. Any volume of 'shared' FBI note- comparing would 'finger' a lot of Chechan (or other) recipients of U.S. family support - highly comparable to our effort to shut off any funding to the Middle- Eastern 'terror' groups.

Independently, the increasingly available information about the brothers Tsarnaev leans toward the all too familiar "Manchurian patsy."

My first impression of the 4-15 bombs was the unusually 'white' nature of the associated 'smoke' cloud; add the appearance of 'flour' on the sidewalk and window frame of the immediate shop.

By way of explanation - for the benefit of the obvious alphabet agencies - I grew up around the military, in Alaska. Purely by chance, I've got a lot more arm-chair knowledge of explosives than the average bear - add my time in the military; during & after the Viet Nam War, including the Alaska Army National Guard.

It's little known, but grain-based 'dust' is highly explosive - including common baking flour. The gimmick is to get the flour 'airborne' in an adequate 'local' cloud, before igniting it. The requirement is to create an effective air:flour dust 'mixture,' in the same fashion as the gas-to-air ratio of car engines.

However, if the flour doesn't detonate; the bomb is far less effective. BUT, the visual effect is dramatic; whether desired or otherwise. Another prominent 'clue' is the persistence of the blast clouds, following the associated 'ignition.' Just look to the prominent volume of the "drifted" JFK library white 'smoke,' which so far has escaped any significant observation or interest.

If flour was used, the pressure cookers were the worst possible choice, as the tight seal would do more to preclude the necessary immediat fuel:air mixture. And, I'm curious as to whether or not that was intentional. For all the appropriate emotional reactions; those bombs (collectively) actually did precious little damage.

Here's the rub - the same enduring 'prominent white cloud' is witnessed at three locations; starting with the area of the JFK Library - which seems to evade attention, discussion and investigation. In the available pictures, in the background of the supposed 'first' blast, you can see the towering/lingering white cloud of the JFK Library 'event.' Was that from the 'police test' event? It appears to be just that.

The Tamerlan FBI inquiry claim may well be legitimate, but for the moment, I'm curious to know whether or not the Russians actually made the cited Tamerlan Tsarnaev inquiry. If so, just how 'serious' was the inquiry?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-23   11:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)

After failing at making an exploding sparkler bomb, we decided to try something a bit more explosive, black powder!

We make various sized black powder grenades / bombs / what ever you want to call them, using Hodgdon FFG Triple Seven (Triple Se7en) Synthetic black powder.

Notice the white smoke (just like in Boston) -

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   11:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: SKYDRIFTER, christine, Lod, titorite, GreyLmist, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#10)

Okay, I'm bewildered.

He's an actor. An amputee vet. Paid to pretend he got his legs blown off by a homemade bomb.

He didn't. It's fake.

That's a prosthetic limb. Fake blood.

Blood coagulates. Turns dark. Doesn't stay red like the fake stuff.

Most people don't even think about that. That's how they get away with this shit.

I looked for the original video that the frames from the above article are taken and haven't found it yet.

Personally, I feel it's safe to say those frames are from a video of the actual boston marathon bombing incident in question.

I fail to see real conclusive evidence that the hooded guy is really putting the fake limb on though.

(I sent this link to a family member:

buelahman.wordpress.com/2...believer-or-do-you-think/

Here's the email response I got:

"I guess my question which obviously this stupid jerk missed, is what about the dead eight year old and the others who are now dead actors as well?Looks like I do think after all."

That's why I come here to 4 instead.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   11:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: wudidiz, 4 (#33)

ban on pressure cookers -

A congressional investigative committee proposed a ban on 4 quart or greater pressure cookers, and limits their purchase to one per person per year, but only to those who show a PCOID (Pressure Cooker Owners Identification Card,)

Such card would be issued only after sucessful background checks from the Department of Homeland Security, the Border Patrol, Martha Stewart Online, and the Food Network.

" We have to protect people from the risks of mentally ill persons carrying high capacity pressure cookers." said Diane Feinstein.

"No one needs an assault pressure cooker," said Sen. Harry Reid ( D- NV)

California Representative Nanci Pelosi sponsored the legislation with the comment "I will include legislation that anyone posessing a pressure cooker withing 200 yards of a school, church, government building, bank, Walmart, plastic surgeon, Starbucks or Jack-in-the-Box will be subject to double the regular criminal penalty, and be incarcerated in a for-profit prison in California or even darkest Utah."

2016 presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton said " No real sportsman needs a large capacity pressure cooker, real men do just fine with small cap cookers, sauce pans or even Crock Pots"

President Barak Obama said' " Me too, I was just going to say that. I told Michelle, I told Joe Biden, I told anyone who would listen, I will set up a committee. I will go on TV. I will make speeches, I will get angry and whine on live broadcast.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   12:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#29) (Edited)

putin reclaimed russia's oil from the isreli russian oligarchs who were scheduled to guarantee oil supplies to israeli america while american armies tore up the middle east

.

the logic of the boston bombing would run like this...

putin dumps the oily israeli russian oligarchs, many of whom flee to israel...

this cripples the neocon plan to achieve benevolent global hegemony

richard perle and other neoconservatives form The American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, which, along with boris berezovsky, supports chechen terrorists who murder those kids in beslan... which is blamed on putin --it's putin's fault because he's mean to chechens

whatever, these chechen terrorists are allied with the israeli american neocons... so they might be susceptible to staging bombings that are good for israel

doesnt make much sense, really, from the chechen kids' point of view... seeing as how it is about the same thing as a suicide bombing

...but it makes lots of sense from the neocon/israeli perspective if it creates support for israel when israelis are acknowledging that their hasbara has failed.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   12:49:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: All (#35)

anyhow, it looks to me like anyone who's been paying attention will already know all this stuff... so the boston bombing is likely to backfire on the neocons and israelis, whether it was a false flag or not.

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   13:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Lod (#34)

lol it's getting outta control, ain't it Lod? ;)


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   14:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lead.and.lag (#36)

Do you know of any images of fatalities from the boston marathon other than this one?


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   14:23:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: wudidiz (#38) (Edited)

nope, i havent really looked at, or for, any of the pictures...

photoshop has made a dis-believer out of me

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-23   14:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: wudidiz (#38)

Is that real?

It looks Hollywood to me...

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   14:42:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod (#40)

The blood on the face does look like paint.

Whether it is or not, he didn't look like that when he walked out of the boat.

Is this real? :)


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   15:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: wudidiz (#41)

Damn.

Tits has come un-hinged.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-23   16:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Pinguinite (#20)

Put yourself in the shoes of some evil SOB, and ask yourself if you'd fake this bombing, or do a real one.

Real bomb.

Fake crowd control scene.

First you attempt to move the civies out of the way unless you want a few of them in the way... regardless once its go time, it is go time.

Really people are really hurt and they are really unreliable. One can not be sure they will get the scenes and responses they want to get unless they have their own people on the ground in the middle of the chaos...

And the media too also have to know who to take pictures of and who to interview.

911 proved that the majority of the TV news producers of dual citizenships or second jobs with quanico.

The concern for people getting hurt is not real. This is a false flag. Accomplishing the goal is all that is real.. if people gotta get hurt for that goal? fine.. if we can avoid casualties... fine, don't care. Flase flags are about covert political accomplishment.

You have heard bloomberg calling for an end to the constitution have you not?

For security. to protect us from events like this.

These are the times we live in.

Stay safe all of my friends.

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titorite  posted on  2013-04-23   17:21:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Pinguinite (#6)

But why would the gov not just do a real bomb with real casualties? It's not as though they'd care about killing and maiming members of the public. ???

Some people would rather believe that there is no evil so great that they'd blow up innocent people, all the while neglecting that we are currently engaged in doing exactly that around the world.

Some would think it's easier to launch a massive Hollywood production smack in the middle of a huge national event such as the Boston Marathon, ignoring the fact there are hundreds of cameras and thousands of witnesses watching the events unfold.

For some, living in a make believe world is safer than living in the real one which exists.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-04-23   17:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)

Some people see fake blood and call it fake blood.

It's not about personalities, it's about facts, truth and what really happened.

There is no obligation to fit the data to a preferred conclusion.


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   19:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: wudidiz (#45)

Some people see real blood and call it fake blood.

Some people really see fake things no matter where they look, because they can't believe anything at all is real, no matter what.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-04-23   19:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: FormerLurker (#46)

they can't believe anything at all is real, no matter what.

What if you poke them with a pin?


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-23   21:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: wudidiz (#47)

What if you poke them with a pin?

I've tried that and it doesn't work.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2013-04-23   22:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: FormerLurker (#48) (Edited)

I've tried that and it doesn't work.

No doubt. What on earth would possess you to poke people with pins. That is assault, however minor...

Edit to add:, I was pulling your leg.

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titorite  posted on  2013-04-23   23:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: SKYDRIFTER (#10) (Edited)

9-11

9-11 was an administrative coup d'etat. The Zionists and neocons are now close to being in complete control. And, Obama wants the U.N. to contol our guns. Recall, Hitler did not impose his tyranny until after he had banned the private posession of firearms. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-24   17:04:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: lead.and.lag (#39)

photoshop has made a dis-believer out of me

There is a lot of that going on. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-24   17:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: SKYDRIFTER (#31)

Tamerlan

Those two boys did something in Russia that made the Russian authorities call the FBI and let them know that those boys were up to no good. Still no word from the FBI as to what they did to follow up on all of this. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-24   17:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Lod (#32)

Notice the white smoke (just like in Boston) -

You are right about this, Lod. It seems that the explosions in Bosaton were of the same nature as the one in your picture. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-24   17:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: SKYDRIFTER (#22)

4-15 is another inside job

My thoughts, exactly. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-24   17:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: BTP Holdings (#53)

Yes, our modern smokeless powders...well, they're mostly smokeless.

This entire op is so goofy it's going beyond comical (were it not so totally .gov criminal).

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-24   17:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: BTP Holdings, christine, *9-11*, All (#52)


A fiendish suspicion haunts my mind:

It's possible that the Russians may have cleverly enticed and/or methodically 'allowed' the CIA/FBI to constructively fall for a clever "sting." If the Russians knew the 'feds' were planning and determined to do 4-15; their "contact history" pre-positioned the CIA/FBI to fall on their proverbial 'own sword' - big time.

Imagine what "we" don't know; that's now being processed behind secure doors. As has been asked before, "What are we going to tell the people?"

Right now, the CIA, in particular, is in a transitional state for both Director and Chief of Counter-terrorism. Both individuals have such a rotten history; that slamming their nose in the dirt would be both easy & beneficial to Russia - and known associates. The short and long term benefit of widening the "transition gap" would be a major coup, for Russia. Bad for Israel, though. Obama wouldn't have either 'friends' or "actionable" intelligence (as necessary to the satisfaction of Congress) for at least 9 months. By then, the "fighting season" would be over.

If Dr. Seuss were alive to author the history; the title would probably be, "Petraeus Ponders a Ping." (intelligence 'problem' flag) Petraeus has got to be laughing his ass off, right now. Imagine the current scenario happening on his watch; he'd wish that he'd done his dirty deed with the lady, in public. Being forced to resign was a blessing in disguise. Or, as Max would say, "Would you believe he missed it by 'this' much?" Agent 99 would still be holding her breath.

Hey, everybody does remember Maxwell Smart, right? If anybody doesn't; please don't ask - and remind me of my age; please. Just look it up on the 'Net. Please .... .

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2013-04-25   4:38:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: SKYDRIFTER (#56) (Edited)

it's too bad that putin scuttled the neocons' plans for russia...

the only solution is to do a regime change in russia... russia being one of the top gas and oil producers in the world

so they're pretty independent, that way... as peak oil looms and the price of oil has quadrupled or quintupled since the neocons took over the US.

you'll no doubt remember that khodorkovsky, as he got deeper into shit, tried to sell yukos to exxon... and oddly enough, at the time, exxon's CEO was vice chairman of the board of the neocons' AEI think tank, which spawned PNAC, which said they need a new pearl harbor just before they got into position to make their new pearl harbor happen... then their new pearl harbor happened...

putin probably noticed all that

.

so, we should keep subsidizing chechen terrorists who shoot schoolkids, we should vilify putin whenever possible, we should invade russia with NGOs that will set up subversive networks to sabotage russian targets from within russia.

because, after all, how you gonna achieve benevolent global hegemony when russia is independent and seems to have enough resources to remain independent?

...and is powerful enough to defend itself from neocon predators?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   5:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: SKYDRIFTER (#56) (Edited)

then we got the nevzlin comedy...

leonid was apparently dorky's in-house assassin at yukos... in any event, the russians had to lock khodorkovsky up for fraud and piddly-ass stuff like that, but nevzlin, after he fled to israel, was convicted by russian courts for five murders...

well, nevermind... that doesnt disqualify him for shindigs at obama's white house

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   5:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: SKYDRIFTER (#56)

i've always been fascinated by maps... dont know if you're the same... but here's one you might enjoy...

it's pretty big

postimg.org/image/5j0snd3fp/full /

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   5:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: SKYDRIFTER (#56) (Edited)

boris berezovsky... remember him? ...he was apparently instrumental in putin's ascent to power... but then putin and the siloviki doublecrossed poor boris and he had to flee to london...

well, who can blame him? ...boris was apparently a dual israeli russian citizen, but he was way too cool to hang out in a dump like israel...

so boris lives in grand style in london and plots the violent overthrow of putin...

and boris's "friends" die off in alarming quantities, ranging from the journalist anna politkovskaya to an aspiring president of georgia ...boris's spin machinery tries to blame putin, but nothing seems to get much traction except in neocon circles but everybody knows that neocons are purveyors of the noble (and sometimes not-so-noble) lie, so.......

boris finally hangs himself in disgust

who can blame him?

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   5:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: lead.and.lag (#59)

Hey stupid.

This thread was about the TV fakery and False flag in boston.

Not oil or chemtrail you bat shit crazy tin foil drunkard.

Jesus please take this internet connectivity from lead.and.lag.

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titorite  posted on  2013-04-25   5:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: titorite (#61)

bat shit crazy tin foil drunkard

my dad would hit streaks of genius, cussing

usually it was just the same old boring stuff, but he'd hit streaks of pure genius

so i appreciate good cussing

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   6:03:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: titorite, SKYDRIFTER (#61) (Edited)

"Jesus please take this internet connectivity from lead.and.lag."


"Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking; where it is absent, discussion is apt to become worse than useless." ~ Leo Tolstoy

wudidiz  posted on  2013-04-25   10:28:43 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: lead.and.lag, Skydrifter (#57)

russia being one of the top gas and oil producers in the world

They are indeed top oil and gas producers.

You will recall that at the start of the Serbia-Kosovo War, that the U.S. dropped all of the bridges across the Danube River, thus stopping the flow of cheap Russian oil to French and German refineries.

Dick Cheney still has his sights on a new oil pipeline across Chechnia and Turkey to find the oil going into Israel to be trans-shipped.

He may get his wish, except that Russia stopped the Iranian attack before it happened by capturing many Israeli drones north of the Iranian border which were intended to be used to attack Iran.

Better luck next time, Dick. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-25   17:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: lead.and.lag (#59)

postimg.org/image/5j0snd3fp/full /

Interesting map, and you can see how the Neocons wish to control the oil that comes out of the Caucasus by building a pipeline that comes out in Turkey, and from there to Israel. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-25   17:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: BTP Holdings (#65) (Edited)

to control the oil

yeah, but in the best of all possible neocon worlds, once putin dumped the israeli russians, i think the neocons want to bottle russia up by detaching that south part... (and it's way past time to update that big map, to include putin's south stream pipeline that bypasses ukraine.... not to mention the iran pakistan pipeline that's defying neocons isolation of iran)

...that would deprive russia of their only south european warm water ports... and give neocons control of lots of russian oil exorts...

it was the same deal with poland and ukraine... neocons did a color revolution in ukraine, but now yulia's in jail...

and perle's buddy sikorski, in poland, married to neocon columnist anne applebaum, was supposed to cause grief for putin...

poland and ukraine, together, were supposed to control russian access to european markets, but it's not working out so good, as putin's building pipelines that bypass both poland and ukraine...

anyhow, here's another map

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lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   17:51:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: All (#66)

looks to me like this PNAC plan for benevolent global hegemony is just another bad idea...

but i spose if jesus shows up, everything will turn out the way it's supposed to...

but i dont think it's likely that jesus is gonna show up... because i cant believe in a god that would eterminate billions of people... people that he made... in some godforsaken deathwish christian end times

as time wears on, it looks more and more likely that zionists and neocons and jewish looters are gonna expose themselves so badly that jews are gonna get shat on again... except, of course, for the looters, who will get away clean, as usual

dumb setup, but that seems to be how it works

lead.and.lag  posted on  2013-04-25   18:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: titorite (#43) (Edited)

911 proved that the majority of the TV news producers of dual citizenships or second jobs with quanico.

The concern for people getting hurt is not real. This is a false flag. Accomplishing the goal is all that is real.. if people gotta get hurt for that goal? fine.. if we can avoid casualties... fine, don't care. Flase flags are about covert political accomplishment.

You have heard bloomberg calling for an end to the constitution have you not?

9-11 was an administrative coup d'etat. It was done by NORAD using AWACS aircraft to take over the controls of those planes and fly them into the Twin Towers. It was all recorded for maximum effect on TV viewers.

The "dancing Israelis" showed they had foreknowledge of the event.

The Zionists and Neocons are the REAL enemy.

If the Constitution is done away with, there is no telling what form of government we will get. Right now, we have a tri-partite government with the Executive, Legislative and Judiciary branches which all serve as a check and balance on the other, with the Supreme Court having the final say.

Let us pray that it stays that way. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-27   13:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: lead.and.lag (#66)

Remember the "Charge of the Light Brigade" which was a British Cavalry unit that charged Russian positions at the Battle of Balaclava in the Ukraine. The Russians tried to control the Dardanelles Straits, thus threatening British sea routes. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-27   13:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lead.and.lag (#66)

The Russians short-circuited the planned Israeli/U.S. attack on Iran and captured quite a few drones, with their controlling mechanisms, intact. This was a great blow to the Zioinsts who are in control in Israel. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-27   14:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: wudidiz (#33)

Blood coagulates. Turns dark. Doesn't stay red like the fake stuff.

Agreed! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-27   14:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Lod (#34) (Edited)

President Barak Obama said' " Me too, I was just going to say that. I told Michelle, I told Joe Biden, I told anyone who would listen, I will set up a committee. I will go on TV. I will make speeches, I will get angry and whine on live broadcast.

El Presidente is good at whining when it suits his purposes. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-27   14:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: All (#0)

I've always wondered where do you get bandages in that kind of situation? All the shops are closed. You can't realistically use the victim's tee shirts. What's the best way to stop the bleeding when there are no bandages?

Big Meanie  posted on  2013-04-27   14:17:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Big Meanie, Pressure Cookers, 4 (#73)

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-04-27   15:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: lead.and.lag (#67)

looks to me like this PNAC plan for benevolent global hegemony is just another bad idea...

It is the Zionists and Neocons that are the real enemy. Don't ever forget it. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-29   17:04:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lead.and.lag (#62)

my dad would hit streaks of genius, cussing

usually it was just the same old boring stuff, but he'd hit streaks of pure genius

My Dad was the biggest cheapskate in the world. I wanted to be a Cub Scout when I was in Grade School, but you had to buy your own uniform. He would not even spring for that. :(

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-04-29   17:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: lead.and.lag (#57)

russia being one of the top gas and oil producers in the world

They are indeed. But, the Russian people still do not benefit from this largesse of oil and gas. They still struggle to heat their homes with steam heat or wood, and have stripped the country of protective forests and their homes of woodwork. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-05-01   16:49:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: wudidiz, All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0) (Edited)

This is a Comment at an alternate site for the opening article:

fromthetrenchesworldreport.com: Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?

"I just noticed in frame twenty I believe, the guy on the right in the white t shirt that says 'team Kerto' well if you google team kerto , Imdb comes up as kerto roos, he is a set constructor…" http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2716579/

Went to this thread's URL Source listed above for the opening article, "Are You Just A Believer Or Do You THINK?" at B'Man's Revolt: http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013 ... st-a-believer-or-do-you- think/. These Comments are from the Kerto discussion there:

"In the photo with the 'Team Kerto' guy wearing the white T-shirt and backward baseball cap, you can see two used plastic bottles of fake blood on the ground! One is in front of the seated blond woman missing her left shoe,"

"Who is the sunglasses guy? Who is the 'Team Kerto' guy, and what the hell is 'Team Kerto,' anyway? The 'Team Kerto' guy is obviously not a runner – he’s built more like a power lifter, and has tattoos on his forearms,"

"Notice that in the photo where he’s calmly reclining and looking at 'Team Kerto' man, 'Christian the sunglasses man' has no blood at all on his jeans, but in the next photo, he has a small amount smeared onto his jeans around the rips, probably applied by the fake or paid-off EMT with the blue gloves attending him."

"I think the actors may be associated with Team Kerto. There is a Kerto who is a theatrical designer in Finland, with one film to his credit, in imdb as Kerto Roos, made with the Chinese. The overwhelming number of injured near the finish line (hey that’s a pun almost) are Nordic-looking (which isn’t all blond), pale and big-boned. They could be back home by now. Do you suppose some of them might not even speak English? Maybe they’ll lose some money if they talk. And would you believe them?"

"They put us through this crap, now they owe us an explanation for the medical anomalies we see. If you took several gallons of real blood and poured it on the sidewalk, you know it wouldn’t look like this orange stuff. ... Check out Team Kerto standing over it. People try to make out who these crisis actors might be, might they get outed. You’re assuming they are Americans and have to speak. Kerto is a set designer, film-maker in Finland. You know the international runners were all going home the next day. Why not the pale-faced, chubby Nordics who got injured here? Who’d give them a second glance as they made their way back home, looking vaguely American. Bravo, Finns. You have really won the race here."

"in the videos, you can clearly see that the blast originated much farther back from the curbside, and in the photo with 'Team Kerto' guy, you can clearly see that the glass from the two store windows exploded OUT, onto the sidewalk! If the blast had originated on the curbside, the glass would have exploded INTO the store. That’s just common sense, so don’t post any more BS about the strange and magical properties of pressure waves, because then you sound like the Warren Commission trying to explain JFK’s assassination with their 'magic bullet' theory."

"what someone else pointed out and I never got was the significance of the windows that blew out of Marathon Sports (blast #1) and also Forum (scene of blast #2). They mentioned that these businesses, behind barriers for the day and thus perhaps closed for business due to the race, would have made perfect places for actors to get suited up for their roles as injured people. [sic]

It begs the question whether they would tell about their experience. But if they are foreign (one tee shirt at the scene said Team Kerto – funny Kerto is a set designer in Finland involved in making a Samurai flick in China), and of course they don’t have to talk, they could just fly back home after with all the returning international runners."

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-02   15:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: wudidiz, All (#78)

Who is the sunglasses guy?

'Christian the sunglasses man'

Cross-referencing 4um Title: Christian Williams = Steve Kolander - video

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-02   16:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: GreyLmist (#78)

Excellent, thank you.


"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz  posted on  2013-05-02   16:17:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: wudidiz (#80)

Your review is much appreciated and you're welcome.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-02   16:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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