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Title: Again The So-Called Libertarians Get It Wrong
Source: Market Ticker
URL Source: http://market-ticker.org/
Published: May 8, 2013
Author: Karl Denninger
Post Date: 2013-05-08 20:29:01 by Southern Style
Keywords: None
Views: 228
Comments: 20

Again The So-Called Libertarians Get It Wrong

 

Will the man with a pair of balls please step forward?

In response to libertarian activist Adam Kokesh's planned July 4 march in which the participants will supposedly be carrying loaded rifles—in blatant violation of D.C.'s tough gun laws—another activist says he's putting together a better, and more acceptable, event for the day before.

Austin Petersen, a video producer for the libertarian organization FreedomWorks, says that Kokesh's designs of crossing the Arlington Memorial Bridge ahead of a pack of gun-toting Second Amendment believers is a provocative discredit to the cause.

Provocative?  You bet.  So was refusing to sit in the back of the bus.  So was insisting on being seated and served in a diner.  So was marching down a street with a few hundred -- or thousand -- black people after being told "you're not welcome here."

All of which, incidentally, were "unlawful" acts -- despite those laws being blatantly unconstitutional.

But because he's still an ardent opponent of gun control laws like D.C.'s, Petersen still wants to send a pro-firearm message around the Independence Day holiday. A legal one, that is.

He intends to send a pro-firearms message?  Cool -- let's hear about it.

So, on July 3, Petersen wants to head up a parade of libertarians and maybe their families hosting toy guns, like water pistols and Nerf blasters. The "Armed Toy Gun March on D.C." will follow the same route around the monuments and National Mall as Kokesh lays out for his march the day later, but the only "weapons" will be tiny water jets and foam darts.

Uh huh.  This sends a message of disagreement with the blatantly unconstitutional DC gun laws? 

Exactly how?  Water guns and nerf pistols are neither constitutionally protected or prohibited, nor do they have anything to do with firearms.  They're both toys where firearms are tools.  

But like so many so-called "libertarians" (of which I've written on many) Petersen's plans fail the first test of logic -- that is, consistency that can be traced to the first principles expressed in The Declaration of Independence.

You might fit water guns and nerf pistols into "pursuit of happiness" through some bit of mental masturbation but you sure can't find a connection to life or liberty in either.

"If we want less war, we need to be less warlike ourselves," Petersen says. "The idea of libertarianism is personal responsibility. If you can't act responsibly, then you can't own a gun. We can still have fun and not be negative and confrontational."

Um, me thinks you need to do a bit more reading before trying to tell people what libertarian and personal responsibility entails.

Specifically your personal responsibility to stop someone, should you so choose, who intends to initiate force against you for the purpose of depriving you of your life.

Exactly how do you intend to discharge that personal responsibility with a water pistol?

Then there's this piece of idiocy:

"Are you going to act like Martin Luther King or are you going to act like Malcolm X?" Petersen says, noting that Kokesh's website is filled with references to the former, along with other peace advocates like Mahatma Ghandi. "Who got more done? I'm challenging the libertarian movement. If you really believe in the principles of Dr. King, come to this event and live out his principles, because he was the one who advocated nonviolence just like libertarians do."

Ok, Peterson has just outed himself as historically ignorant along with not believing in personal responsibility.

Malcolm X advocated violence.  Kokesh has not, to the best of my knowlege.

But more to the point Martin Luther King was arrested some 30-odd times for protests that had no official permission and in fact he led marches, expressing his First Amendment Rights, knowing full well that the government had banned his proposed activity in advance exactly as the DC Police have informed Kokesh!

More than once MLK was beaten and otherwise abused while in jail too.

There is nothing "warlike" about carrying a firearm.  Your actions only become "warlike" when you unholster or shoulder said weapon for the purpose of initiating force.

Up until that point your keeping and bearing of arms are in fact the epitome of peace, in that the very fact that you are armed and everyone knows it serves as a strong deterrent against any criminal element who might otherwise choose to initiate force against you, whether said criminals are individuals or part of some organization.

The entire point of the Second Amendment is that so long as it remains as written the odds of it ever needing to be used for the purpose it was inserted into the Constitution remain vanishingly small.

The Second Amendment is, in fact, is the guarantee of civil peace.

Write off one jackass named "Petersen."

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#1. To: Southern Style (#0)

Adam Kokesh's planned July 4 march in which the participants will supposedly be carrying loaded rifles

Kokesh had better screen the men in that march damn well before allowing them to participate. One or two plants in the crowd popping off a few rounds would invite a tremendously negative response.

The Second Amendment:
America's Restart Button

Buzzard  posted on  2013-05-08   21:14:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Buzzard (#1)

Kokesh had better screen the men in that march damn well before allowing them to participate. One or two plants in the crowd popping off a few rounds would invite a tremendously negative response.

Should this march actually occur, I would hope that those in government would exercise extreme caution in doing anything provocative. The general public is quickly getting wise to the government's tricks and now, would not be an especially good time for them to employ provocateur tactics.

Personally, I agree with what Kokesh is advocating. I find his approach far preferable to waiting at home for DHS, ATF, or some other government entity to bust down the door, rush in with automatic weapons and subject my family, and myself, to various indignities while ransacking the house to steal our weapons.

Perhaps this can serve to spark, educationally wise, Americans into waking up to the reality of the situation in which we find ourselves. Namely, that we have no rights. At its' best, we have government controlled privileges, which makes us little more than modern day "house niggers".

“I believe that there will ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those who do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice, and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the system of exploitation. I believe that there will be that kind of clash, but I don’t think it will be based on the color of the skin…” -Malcolm X

Southern Style  posted on  2013-05-08   22:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Southern Style (#2)

Well said.

I'm guessing that an armed march that approaches The White House may result in the actual field test of The Secret Service Minigun SUV:

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-05-08   22:39:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Southern Style (#0)

Austin Peterson was Director of Production at FreedomWorks and an associate producer for Judge Andrew Napolitano's show, "Freedom Watch" on Fox. iirc, he claimed not to know why the show had been cancelled.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   0:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Southern Style (#0)

Good thoughts, but how long will people go on attempting to legitimate every moral crusade by invoking the civil riots era? If that's all we've got for comparison, we're sunk. Martin Lucifer King was no hero, otherwise communists wouldn't have spent the last 45 years turning him into ameriKa's national totem. The whole movement was a communist assault, not a model for activism. Mr. Lincoln's War was cheered on by Karl Marx himself and the civil riots movement was simply a revival of it.

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2013-05-09   1:03:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Southern Style (#2)

Personally, I agree with what Kokesh is advocating. I find his approach far preferable to waiting at home for DHS, ATF, or some other government entity to bust down the door, rush in with automatic weapons and subject my family, and myself, to various indignities while ransacking the house to steal our weapons.

Perhaps this can serve to spark, educationally wise, Americans into waking up to the reality of the situation in which we find ourselves. Namely, that we have no rights. At its' best, we have government controlled privileges, which makes us little more than modern day "house niggers".

Great post. I wish Adam well and hope his march is successful beyond even his wildest dreams.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-05-09   1:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)

great comments!

christine  posted on  2013-05-09   2:22:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Southern Style, All (#2)

Should this march actually occur, I would hope that those in government would exercise extreme caution in doing anything provocative. The general public is quickly getting wise to the government's tricks and now, would not be an especially good time for them to employ provocateur tactics.

Personally, I agree with what Kokesh is advocating. I find his approach far preferable to waiting at home for DHS, ATF, or some other government entity to bust down the door, rush in with automatic weapons and subject my family, and myself, to various indignities while ransacking the house to steal our weapons.

Perhaps this can serve to spark, educationally wise, Americans into waking up to the reality of the situation in which we find ourselves. Namely, that we have no rights.

YouTube: CROSBY STILLS NASH & YOUNG- MARAKESH EXPRESS LYRICS-Trippy FX

Sweeping cobwebs from the edges of my mind
Had to get away to see what we could find
Hope the days that lie ahead
Bring us back to where they've led
Listen up to what's been said to you

Did you know we're riding
on the Marrakesh Express

I'm not sure what Kokesh is actually advocating this time or that even he really agrees with it as a 2nd Amendment issue of principle or protest because, starting at the 1:47 mark of this Apr 30, 2012 video, he said (much like an Anarchist rather than a Constitutional guard):

"But I can't in good conscience say that I would ever run for office again on a platform of upholding or championing or getting back to the Constitution. While that may be a step in the right direction, it would only further entrench the lie that we need the Federal government. It would only make us more dependent on this false ideal of a central authority."

Yes, our right to bear arms preceeds the Constitution as a natural right but is that his point of call for the march? I don't know but advocating the Articles of Confederation over the Constitution as he did is advocation of an even more centralized framework of government at the top level. Maybe he's confused about that or has changed his views since then. I don't know where he's moved or not lately regarding his bearings on the Constitution but his defection-like spin away from it didn't resonate well with me:

Time to dissolve the federal government? Let's put it to a vote!

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   9:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#8) (Edited)

the days that lie ahead
Bring us back to where they've led
Listen up to what's been said to you

In the video posted above, Kokesh also talked about historical perspective and hindsight being 20/20. What keeps coming to mind in pondering the planned march is this possibly staged BlackOp/PsyOp (fabricated/real to whatever extent) Russian Revolution trigger-event -- the alleged 1905 Black Sunday massacre at the Winter Palace in St. Petersburg. Real or not, it led to war and tyranny:

Ch 30 - Communist Revolution in Russia flashcards - Quizlet

Bloody Sunday: January 22, 1905
Russia
200,000 workers and their families march to the Czar's Winter Palace and demanded:
- better working conditions
-an elected legislator
-more personal freedoms

Bloody Sunday (1905) - Wikipedia

Bloody Sunday was the name that came to be given to the events of 22 January [O.S. 9 January] 1905 in St Petersburg, Russia, where unarmed, peaceful demonstrators marching to present a petition to the Tsar Nicholas II were fired upon by soldiers of the Imperial Guard when approaching the city center and the Winter Palace from several gathering points. The shooting did not occur in the Palace Square. Bloody Sunday was an event with grave consequences for the Tsarist regime, as the disregard for ordinary people shown by the reaction of the authorities undermined support for the state. The events which occurred on this Sunday have been assessed by historians, including Lionel Kochan in his book Russia in Revolution 1890-1918, to be one of the key events which led to the Russian Revolution of 1917.

Shootings

On the Sunday, January 22, striking workers and their families gathered at six points in the city of St Petersburg in Russia. They were organised and led by Father Gapon. Holding religious icons and singing hymns and patriotic songs (particularly "God Save the Tsar!"), a crowd of "more than 3,000"[1] proceeded without police interference towards the Winter Palace, the Tsar's official residence. The crowd did not know that the Tsar was not in residence. The army pickets near the palace released warning shots, and then fired directly into the crowds to disperse them. Gapon was fired upon near the Narva Gate. Around forty people surrounding him were killed, however he was not injured.[2] Although the Tsar was not at the Winter Palace or even in the city and did not give the order for the troops to fire, he received the blame for the deaths, resulting in a surge of bitterness towards himself and his autocratic rule from the Russian people.

The number killed is uncertain but the Tsar's officials recorded 96 dead and 333 injured; anti-government sources claimed more than 4,000 dead; moderate estimates still average around 1,000 killed or wounded, both from shots and trampled during the panic[citation needed]. Another source noted that the official estimate was 130 persons killed.[3] Nicholas II described the day as "painful and sad".[4] As reports spread across the city, disorder and looting broke out. Gapon's Assembly was closed down that day, and Gapon quickly left Russia. According to one version,[which?] returning in October, he was assassinated by the order of the Combat Organization of the Socialist- Revolutionary Party after he revealed to his friend Pinhas Rutenberg that he was working for the Okhrana or Secret Police.[5]

This event was seen by the British ambassador to inflame revolutionary activities in Russia and contributed to the Revolution of 1905.

Edited for spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-09   10:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Southern Style (#0)

LOL! "Libertarians" arguing about who is truer to MLK...

"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2013-05-09   11:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#8) (Edited)

Added by James [Phoenix] on May 10, 2013 at 12160.info:

Adam Kokesh on CBS DC WUSA9 #OpenCarry130704

Published on May 9, 2013 by AdamKokesh

Edit to add that it looks like he's lost weight but his hair got thicker.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-10   21:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#11)

flower power sucks! :)

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-10   21:56:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Dakmar (#12)

Now hear this!:

Flower Power by Big Jim Sullivan (1968)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-10   22:27:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: GreyLmist (#13)

I had to pick tree barf off my car today, and little twigs that looked like brocolli, I'm happy it's only like one week a year.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-10   22:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#13)

sunbeams just ain't made like me! :)

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-10   22:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Dakmar (#15)

Uh-oh...

Snake Robot Climbs a Tree

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-10   23:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GreyLmist (#16)

I don't know nothin' about killing no zombies.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-10   23:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Dakmar (#17)

Do you got a can opener on ya? If not, I'll go get one.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-11   0:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: GreyLmist (#18)

I have a kitchen-aid bottle opener, I try to keep it from getting scuffed-up, it's really pretty.

corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus

Dakmar  posted on  2013-05-11   0:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#19) (Edited)

Well, I think we should all start open carrying a can opener that will scare off robo-snakes like that -- one that it's ok to scuff up in case there's a scuffle with 'em. Probably a slingshot would work well too.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-05-11   1:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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