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Title: You want fake info, be my guest
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Published: May 22, 2013
Author: Me
Post Date: 2013-05-22 02:00:12 by FormerLurker
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Views: 845
Comments: 41

Anybody who has a problem with truth or reality, say it now. I want a vote here.
If you wish to believe whatever you're told, whatever you're fed, do it.
If you want information beyond that, let me know.
The vote here is to decide whether I should leave this forum or not.
I'm sick of dealing with two faced people, and government shills. Both are the same sort of person, although one gets paid for it while the other one might just get a "promise" of future reward.
I'm giving it 48 hours.
At the end of that time I'll tally the vote and take it like a man.
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#1. To: FormerLurker (#0)
No, just don't take disagreements so personally. You saw the abuse I sometimes took on El Pee. I just blew it off and refused to let it bother me.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 2:58:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)
There is a concerted effort by shills on this forum to bring it to it's knees.
You've seen the antics of BeAChooser, yukon, ByteShredder, and others.
Well look at what's going on today..
If people wish to follow the pack of wolves, let them.
If they don't wish to do that then I can help, if they want it..
If not, then oh well. It's very time consuming and thankless, so why should I give a fuck if others don't, in fact, some people who I THOUGHT were on the side of truth turn around and accuse ME of being their enemy?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 3:06:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Original_Intent (#1)
No, just don't take disagreements so personally. You saw the abuse I sometimes took on El Pee. I just blew it off and refused to let it bother me.

I agree with that. Intelligent people reading this forum won't be persuaded by nonsense, they want a reasoned and intelligent argument. You provide one and they will listen, you don't and they probably won't listen.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 3:15:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: FormerLurker (#2)
I guess I'm not totally convinced that it is not just conflicting world views and hence viewpoints. However, I also do not post with anywhere near the frequency I used to. Forums, have largely been negated as a means to reach a broad audience with the truth. LF was over run with trolls and then shut down, El Pee and Freeptardia were simply subverted with money. So, it goes for any forum that gains much notoriety. However, we still have a reasonably astute crowd here, and while christine does not ride close herd she is, I am certain, aware of what goes on at her forum. So, it is not so much I don't care it is that I trust christine's judgment.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 3:19:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: RickyJ (#3)
Well said.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 3:20:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Original_Intent, christine (#4)
I'm out of here. I'm sick of the disinfo and shills, and poor christine is being bombarded with bullshit from self styled "patriots".
Fuck it, I asked her to delete my account.
Good knowing you OI.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 3:21:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: FormerLurker (#6)
Well, I wish you fair winds and following seas. Nice knowing you as well. I've always appreciated your fighting spirit - particularly when we were on the same side of an issue.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 3:24:56 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Original_Intent (#7)
We were always on the same side OI, whether you knew it or not.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 3:29:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: FormerLurker (#6)
I see this forum as similar to people you meet in everyday life. I have run into enough a-holes in real life to know that it is next to impossible to avoid them, because they are everywhere, including the church I go to. I also know that no one is perfect, some don't mean to offend, and may not even realize they are offending you, but they still offend you.
You may be right, there might be trolls here, it wouldn't be the first time and it won't be the last time I suspect, but I am not going to stop posting here because of their presence and I hope you won't either. You can bozo them and not have to ever see their posts again.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 3:40:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Original_Intent (#4)
Forums, have largely been negated as a means to reach a broad audience with the truth.

i agree with you. it isn't just forums. it's all mediums. however, there was a time when most of us here were friends. while there's always been disagreements, there was never this degree of disrespect and animous towards one another.
i always felt like 4um was a place of refuge and camaraderie, but i'm not feeling that anymore.
i'm seriously considering pulling the plug.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 3:50:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: christine, Original_Intent (#10)
i always felt like 4um was a place of refuge and camaraderie, but i'm not feeling that anymore.
i'm seriously considering pulling the plug.

I can see why forums that become popular need moderators. I think this forum has been flagged by the PTB as one that needs "scrutiny", and now we have those who act like those we've seen on past forums.
They accuse US of being all sorts of things, yet by viewing their standard behavior, it's apparent what THEY'RE all about...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:01:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: christine (#10)
I'll play along with those who wish to speak their mind, for now, until or if you decide to yank the plug. Myself, I've devoted a good amount of time presenting what I have over the years, and I suppose if you wish to keep up the fight, I could say screw it and do the same.
I've had a few drinks and am speaking my mind more than usual, if you couldn't tell. I just don't like to be gang attacked then portrayed as the "shill", when it's those doing the attacking who are.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:08:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: christine (#10) (Edited)
i'm seriously considering pulling the plug.

Don't.
Never do.
I understand that these issues are taxing.
But the few mentally free people their are.. Many do not have other places to congregate.
For the love of God and good please never let this place go down quietly.
Kick me out , kick him out, Do what ever needs to be done but keep the forum up and running regardless of the drama and drama queens.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 4:14:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: christine (#10)
Do what you think is best Christine. Maybe you should yank my account, I'm just drawn to it like glue.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:15:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: titorite (#13)
You of all people should be apologizing to Christine for what you've done. YOU should be asking her to pull your account if you cared about this forum at all.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:16:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: FormerLurker (#15)
Why are you even addressing me?
What is your motivation?
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 4:18:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: titorite (#16)
You really need to ask? The forum history can answer that question quite easily.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:19:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: FormerLurker (#17)
You really need to ask? The forum history can answer that question quite easily.

I think you have an agenda. I think you(your account) pulled the wool over my eyes and everyone elses eyes for a number of years.
I find this tantrum petty of you.

I find this ultimatum stuff complete childish bullshit.

You have no right to deliver an ultimatum to anyone.

You have made so much trouble for so many....
Your motivation is what?

You address me for why?

DO I REALLY NEED TO ASK?

No, I don't need to ask but I did ask.

And all I got as an answer is another question.

Do you fear strait answers?

No don't answer... I don't care.
I don't need anymore answers from someone like you FL.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 4:24:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: titorite (#18) (Edited)
I think yukon had a sleeper account by the name of titorite. You and he both have similar styles.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:44:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: titorite (#18)
You have made so much trouble for so many....

Uh huh. I haven't been trying to entrap people into federal felonies, such as you.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 4:45:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: christine (#10)
You know Christine, there are a lot of people who DO enjoy this forum and post decent articles. Don't pull the plug.
Delete my account and do as you think is right with others.
I don't want to be the person who brought 4um down.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 5:01:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)
I will say this, I know of few that threaten the president openly and nothing happens to them. One of them is named Adam Kokesh, the other, titorite. However, now Adam is in jail on trumped up charges, so I guess something finally did happen to him. I just got to wonder why they never made a move against him for the real charges of threatening the president instead of the baloney they are charging him with now?
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 5:02:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: RickyJ (#22)
It's all a game for them apparently.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 5:04:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: RickyJ (#22)
Whatever. Skating the line is not the same thing as actually doing it...
And to be frank ,I am not aware of Adam Kokesh threating the presidents life.

To to be clear

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 5:07:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: titorite (#24)
I am not aware of Adam Kokesh threating the presidents life.

But YOU did?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 5:09:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)
You are such a fucking troll.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 5:10:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: titorite, RickyJ (#26)
Did you or didn't you?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 5:11:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: FormerLurker (#27) (Edited)
He did. I am not exactly sure where the post is, but it is here unless Christine deleted it.

"There is a way to fix the situation we currently face with Obama versus Romney. Romney needs to die." ~ Adam Kokesh

God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 5:15:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: RickyJ (#28)
Doesn't surprise me one bit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 5:21:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: titorite (#24)
And to be frank ,I am not aware of Adam Kokesh threating the presidents life.

That might not have happened, but I did hear about it from people that know more about him and follow him a lot more than I do. He did however threaten Romney.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 5:28:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: FormerLurker (#29) (Edited)
This is not the one where he specifically threatens him while calling him a nigger, but it is close. I didn't know he did it more than once.
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=147011
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 5:45:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: FormerLurker (#0)
Stay.
The people that want you to go do this because they want no opposition, when your view is that opposition is called for.
They don't like opposition. They're like stereotypical authoritarian nazis. Either agree with them, or else. Fuck that.
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Death to the Draconians!!!
PSUSA2 posted on 2013-05-22 8:10:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: FormerLurker (#0)
I trust only what my eyes and common sense telll me.
Support bacteria.
(The world needs more culture)
Obnoxicated posted on 2013-05-22 11:16:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Original_Intent (#4)
Good point regarding christine's operation of this forum. It's impossible to keep the trolls out of a truly free forum, but once they expose themselves, she does a good job of removing them.
Support bacteria.
(The world needs more culture)
Obnoxicated posted on 2013-05-22 11:32:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: christine (#10)
i always felt like 4um was a place of refuge and camaraderie, but i'm not feeling that anymore.
i'm seriously considering pulling the plug.

For me it is still a meeting place where I visit to talk to people whom I like and have grown to respect - even when I do not agree.
The noise, of late, has been somewhat of an irritation, but I think it is only so noticeable because a lot of the old regulars are not visiting as often.
However, it has always been your forum and your decision. I'll be self serving and say I hope you do not because I still like coming here for news, info, and the exchange of ideas. There are a lot of people here, still, whom I would miss, and I think that there is still camaraderie.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 12:26:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: RickyJ (#9)
You can bozo them and not have to ever see their posts again.

Exactly.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
Prefrontal Vortex posted on 2013-05-22 12:27:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: FormerLurker (#8)
Thanks.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 12:27:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)
You're welcome.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 12:31:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Obnoxicated, christine, FormerLurker, titorite (#34)
Although, full disclosure, I have enjoyed 'bot tossing, and troll trashing, as a sport, one of the things I have enjoyed, and why I have stayed, is the ability to hold a conversation for longer than ten posts without a designated disrupter, such as yuktard, diving in to ensure that no intelligent conversation took place. The recent kerfluffle here has been nowhere near the level I have experienced at at least 3 other forums I've taken part in.
I think the biggest argument in favor of a place like this is the exchange of ideas and viewpoints even if tempers sometimes get frayed. Of course it also annoys the PTB to have us lowly proletarians actually engaging in substantive discussion.
While forums may not have the wide dissemination they did a few years ago they are still a powerful weapon against ignorance and disinformation. A lot of lurkers and passer's by still stop, look, and even if they don't take part it forces them to think. The only thing I have against ongoing alley fights is that it detracts and gives a false impression of the value of debate and exchange.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 12:42:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: christine (#39)
I should add, that in the tumult of the last year this has been an anchor point of stability. I have used more than 1 computer from more than 1 location but 4um has always been there at the same spot. I can't express how much that has meant. Thanks for being here.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 12:46:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: christine, 4um (#10)
i always felt like 4um was a place of refuge and camaraderie, but i'm not feeling that anymore.
i'm seriously considering pulling the plug.

Comrades fight occasionally in refuges.
We are ALL strong-willed people. That is what sets us apart. It can be difficult to know when to retract the fangs though.
There are a few that take things personally. They're easy enough to recognize.
But, it's your baby. I just say I hope you don't.
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Death to the Draconians!!!
PSUSA2 posted on 2013-05-22 12:53:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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