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Published: May 22, 2013
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2013-05-22 13:39:19 by christine
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As most of you know, I haven't had the time to participate in or monitor 4um as I once did. That's not going to change. I will not be able to read every post every day. Truthfully, when I created this forum, it was never my intention to be a heavy handed administrator and it was always my hope that participants appreciate that, respect it, and, thereby, exercise self control.
For the most part, that has been the case--until lately.
The animosity and incivility and accusations displayed towards one another has become almost intolerable to me. It's caused me to feel ashamed that I am the owner of this forum. I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions. Subscribe to *4um Admin News*
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#1. To: christine (#0)
PM sent :)
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2013-05-22 13:41:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: christine (#0)
This will blow away like a bad storm.
Hang in there, Christine, I like to visit your site daily and I hope to continue to do so. I really do appreciate the time and expense you spend here.

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-05-22 13:51:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: christine, abraxas, farmfriend, lod, HighLairEon, FormerLurker, Jethro Tull, Rotara, titorite, SilverStorm, Phant2000, all (#0)
As I commented on another thread I would really really hate to see you pull the plug.
Personally, I would not take the vituperation of some to reflect general attitudes and behaviors. I think most people here are very civil, with a healthy dash of insouciance, so it does not reflect badly upon you. It reflects only upon those who step beyond the bounds of "agree to disagree" propriety and debate.
"Can't we all just get along?" ;-)
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 13:56:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Original_Intent, christine, 4 (#3)
Personally, I would not take the vituperation of some to reflect general attitudes and behaviors. I think most people here are very civil, with a healthy dash of insouciance, so it does not reflect badly upon you. It reflects only upon those who step beyond the bounds of "agree to disagree" propriety and debate.

Very well said and amen.
Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 14:03:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Lod, christine, all (#4)
My pleasure, and thank you.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 14:04:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)
"Can't we all just get along?"

I hope you're kidding about that.

Certain kinds of people will never get along with other kinds of people. I don't think that's a bad thing.

There is no list of rules here. Perhaps the problem is that people don't always know when they're crossing the line.

Big Meanie posted on 2013-05-22 14:12:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: christine (#0)
It would be very sad indeed to see this forum go away as there are many fine posters here who have great minds and ideas. We are not always going to agree on what each other has to say. No two minds think alike. I definitely agree about the uncivil behavior on this forum though. How can this forum attract new posters without quickly losing them? Some of these new posters are from highly educated backgrounds too. I came on this forum because I was really hoping that there were better informed posters here about things and especially those who have an independent way of thinking. Compared to other forums where if you don't speak the right things, or your politics are not agreeable with the rest of the forum (like FreeRepublic and Libertypost), this forum is by far the better of them both. I don't believe in homogenized thinking or groups. I avoid them like a contagious disease!

purplerose posted on 2013-05-22 14:20:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: christine (#0)
I think trolls are acting up to get us to stop talking. We are getting close to the collapse.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2013-05-22 14:49:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: christine (#0)
You could let someone you trust who has time and wouldn't mind moderating it do it instead of pulling the plug. You are not responsible for what others post so you shouldn't be ashamed, people that post inappropriate stuff should be ashamed.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 14:55:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Horse (#8)
I think trolls are acting up to get us to stop talking. We are getting close to the collapse.

I think trolls are being paid, or else they wouldn't be here. We know for a fact that Israel does pay people to troll Internet boards. I think the goal is not to get us to stop talking, but to stop lurkers from lurking here. They don't want people to read the stuff we are posting about false flag events and the push for the invasion of nations that are of no threat to us. They don't want our numbers growing so they hire trolls to make it seem like we are nuts, when in fact it is just the trolls acting nuts pretending to be one of us.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 15:04:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: RickyJ (#9)
You are not responsible for what others post so you shouldn't be ashamed, people that post inappropriate stuff should be ashamed.

Amen to that.
Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 15:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: christine (#0)
I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions.

Sorry if I'm one of those who have caused you to feel shame here Christine, if anything blame me for my actions, not yourself.
Many people actively read articles and participate in discussions here, and it would be awful loss if you were to close down the forum.
Please reconsider.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 15:14:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Big Meanie (#6)
"Can't we all just get along?"
I hope you're kidding about that.
Certain kinds of people will never get along with other kinds of people. I don't think that's a bad thing.
There is no list of rules here. Perhaps the problem is that people don't always know when they're crossing the line.

Yes, your honor, that was a joke. Note the quote marks - it was a statement Rodney King made. I expect people to be boisterous, irascible, caustic, bitchy, and just all around ornery. However, there have to be limits somewhere. Absolutes are unobtainable so you are never going to have an absolutely polite and "reasonable" forum, but within limits it can be very fun.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 15:17:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: christine (#0) (Edited)
I am actually considering pulling the plug

Please don't.
I'm a new poster here but we used to fight Badeye on Ell Pee before you and Neil left. You might even remember my screen name if I could remember it.
I've lurked here since you opened this place. 4um makes a difference (on the good side!) even though maybe sometimes it seems not.
There are great people here, sometimes everyone goes 'round the bend, eh?
In fact, maybe think about expanding the site, with updated framework so it can resize to phones and tablets and some links to help you pay for the ongoing costs. Lots of things to do to expand awareness.

Edit to add: I'm fairly competent in Joomla (linked above), and I'd be happy to volunteer some time to help upgrade, if you so choose. Joomla is free, and it has an integrated forum.

Aquila posted on 2013-05-22 15:41:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: christine (#0)
Everything Aquila Said.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 15:43:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Original_Intent (#13)
I thought it was "Can't we all just get a bong?"

Aquila posted on 2013-05-22 15:44:31 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: RickyJ, christine (#9) (Edited)
You could let someone you trust who has time and wouldn't mind moderating it do it instead of pulling the plug. You are not responsible for what others post so you shouldn't be ashamed, people that post inappropriate stuff should be ashamed.

Is there a way to add Off-Topic and "Mudslinging" vote counters instead, so that you won't have to be bothered with PMs about that -- just look at those numbers for troublespot escalations? At LibertyForum, if a thread went off topic, the part that did was sometimes moved to its own thread. Bickering to excess was, iirc, sometimes moved to a "Cage-Match" subsection off the main board so as not to clutter up the Latest Comments area. Temporary time-out suspensions rather than banishment without reprieve might be something that could be an incentive for more civility. Would be a better alternative, imo, than Freedom4um being closed down or entrusted to other controllers (as LibertyForum was) who might abuse their moderator and database access powers or be motivated to cause other mischief here: using multiple screen names for deceptive baiting and such, for example.
Edited a typo.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-05-22 15:46:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: GreyLmist (#17)
There's always the Bozo Filter List in Setup, and there's the Ignore Thread on each new post which I use liberally when fellow members go 'round the bend on each other.
As invaluable as is my time, it's worth more than that.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 15:55:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Original_Intent, All (#13)
I expect people to be boisterous, irascible, caustic, bitchy, and just all around ornery. However, there have to be limits somewhere. Absolutes are unobtainable so you are never going to have an absolutely polite and "reasonable" forum, but within limits it can be very fun.

my sentiments exactly!
i'd sure like us to get back to having some fun again. my favorite aspect of this forum and its posters (many who have become cherished friends) has been the intelligent and often (lol inducing) witty repartee.
i want that back!
thank you all for your replies. they are much appreciated.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 16:04:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: christine, Lod, abraxas, randge, Ada, farmfriend, Lysander_Spooner, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TommyTheMadArtist, Original_Intent, Horse, Artisan, Parrot with speed dial, gengis gandhi, X-15, TwentyTwelve, titorite, ALL (#0) (Edited)
The animosity and incivility and accusations displayed towards one another has become almost intolerable to me. It's caused me to feel ashamed that I am the owner of this forum. I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions.

Dear Christine,
As other astute posters have seen, the extra high troll noise is due to the imminence of the SHTF, nothing more.
WE ARE GOING TO NEED communication clusters MORE THAN EVER when the down shift occurs. Assuming that the internet itself is not taken down, we will soon need 4Um and every other site not fatally corrupted to help organize grass roots cooperation amidst the increased chaos.
First gut reaction to your post?
Start terminating certain aliases/moniker/avatars!
Better to pluck out an offending eye than to lose the entire being. Cut off the paid pin heads and save the 4Um community!
Sounds like a worth-while trade to me....
All of us could provide you with a short list of troll aliases, those multiple personalities entertaining us with their trolling posts containing prime examples of the following:
1) Destructive intent
2) Uncivil behavior - non-existent manners
3) Deliberate lowering of the level of discourse
4) Deliberate distraction/obfuscation of important truths by regressive, immature, morally retarded self-indulgence.
5) Deliberate derailing of threads whose topics have the potential to expose the most of the emperor's bare ass!

Perhaps you are reluctant to go there, to the point of actively disabling abusers of your forum, out of concern that some tiny tortured souls (whether they are merely sincerely unconscious dupes pinioned by the MEdiaMatrix or terminally sleazy, paid trolls) might try to guilt you.
"Censorship!" Gasp!
Any meme that would attempt to shame you into the non-exercise of your rights as host, must be identified as coming from massive hypocrisy, a sub routine of the implanted self-defeating mind control, tying us into knots of indecision while the global miscreants slaughter children for fun.....
How about re-framing this into simple "party host" duty?
When some moral retard is stealing fun and life force from the other party guests, it is time to simply send the offenders away, no hesitation.
If you take that road, we will all help you to identify the new gophers which pop up; trolls taking new aliases.
It will be amusing to leverage the depth perception present here to identify the bad actors as they attempt to slip through the blockade of civil intercourse.
Whatever you do decide, you have the gratitude of all of us who have enjoyed the information exchange and the shelter from the storm of lies, here in the bosom of 4Um-land!
Thank you Christine!
Anger? As a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? Not long enough to screen your intention to be free from the control freaks monitoring all comms! Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors while their plans evaporate! Fear mongers HATE it when the FEAR card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!
HighLairEon posted on 2013-05-22 16:19:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: christine (#0)
It's just not the same without Cyni.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
Prefrontal Vortex posted on 2013-05-22 16:26:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: christine (#0)
Well, we haven't seen this type of discussion in quite a while. Maybe it's overdue? hehe
The sentiment is certainly understandable. I was a real idealist back when LP was started up. I figured most people had a thirst for the truth, and would get a good sense of satisfaction in discussing points and counterpoints. That gave me a lot of satisfaction in creating the software. Well, that and knowing how much dough FR rakes in, if I'm going to be real honest.
But I'm not so much of an idealist anymore. What's the truth, Christine? The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that. That includes me and most all of us here. This forum, and all others, are also very impersonal. We don't talk about things face to face. No, instead everyone is merely talking to their computer screens. And it's easy to be rude to a computer screen.
I know, no big revelation there.
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.
I guess there may be benefits to you that are now taken for granted. Maybe think about them?

Pinguinite posted on 2013-05-22 16:52:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Lod, christine, 4um (#18)
There's always the Bozo Filter List in Setup, and there's the Ignore Thread on each new post which I use liberally when fellow members go 'round the bend on each other.

I don't use the bozo filter, but often use the 'Ignore Thread' function, especially when people start their pissing matches in a quest for "the truth."
The truth has been outlawed with the advent of P.C. and is irrevocably extinct. There's not much point in searching for something that no longer exists. JFK, 9-11, the illegal jewWars, SandyHoax, Boston, etc. can all be written off to the JIZ infiltration of our government. Easy-peasy. The details will not be forthcoming (I do wish I knew how they turned three skyscrapers into powder, though. I could make a killing in the demolition trade).
That being said, there may be some merit to having someone else moderate the forum. I nominate Loddy. When Lod feels the need say something to someone who's out of line, they're way out of line. Never seen him make a bad call.
Also when a poster throws a hissy-fit demanding that their account be deleted, it should be done without discussion or question and their IP blocked and all posts deleted, if that is doable without a bunch of bullshit/nonsense (wasted time). There's nothing keeping anyone from just walking away. If they're so fucking unhappy with this website, then just leave, anything else is just drama.
Any poster deliberately posting disinformation on behalf of a foreign government (whether paid or not) to subvert the United States or the Constitution, should be banned without explanation or discussion. There's only one here that I'm aware of.
Sorry about the nomination for ban hammer duty, Loddy. I know that you probably don't want anything to do with that, but that's what makes you a perfect fit. Anybody volunteering for that job has an agenda and should be automatically excluded.
This is JMO, and worth exactly what you paid me for it, $0.00.
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 16:59:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: HighLairEon, christine (#20)
Thank you for your eloquence. I can find nothing with which I disagree.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 17:25:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Aquila (#16)
Bong? What's a bong? (snicker) ;-)
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 17:27:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Pinguinite (#22)
The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that.

Maybe for older topics, but not newer ones. At first I was thinking that talk about the Boston bombing using actors faking injuries was crazy talk. Then I saw the evidence and based on that I don't think it is crazy talk at all anymore. It doesn't make much logical sense to use actors there, but then again it doesn't make much logical sense for people to want to rule the world and kill billions in wars either when they already have more money then they could spend in their lifetimes and the highest standard of living possible for any humans on planet Earth maybe ever, but they desire it nevertheless.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 17:43:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: christine, Turtle (#0)
I would very much miss 4um if it was gone.
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.
It's the bankers fault !
Buzzard posted on 2013-05-22 17:46:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#21)
Yes, most of us miss the Cynicom and wish that he would return to posting here.
We have email communication, but I do miss his thoughts and responses in open 4um.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 17:53:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Buzzard, christine, Turtle (#27)
I would very much miss 4um if it was gone.
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

I second that!
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 18:00:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Esso (#23)
Sorry about the nomination for ban hammer duty, Loddy. I know that you probably don't want anything to do with that, but that's what makes you a perfect fit. Anybody volunteering for that job has an agenda and should be automatically excluded.

lol - just like politicians, anyone wanting to be one, shouldn't become one.
Thank you for the undeserved compliment, but the beauty of 4 is the lack of the MF mods.
Any site that has mods, has moronic-members.
We are better than that.
We really are.
Let's all of us call out a member who goes over the top against another member, and remind them what we're about here.
To paraphrase Superman, "Truth, Justice, and (what used to be) the American way."
Apologies for the rant.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:02:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Esso (#23)
"Any poster deliberately posting disinformation on behalf of a foreign government (whether paid or not) to subvert the United States or the Constitution, should be banned without explanation or discussion. There's only one here that I'm aware of."

There are at least two --- one for Israel and one for Mexico.

I don't want them banned though. Some people do more to hurt their cause than to help it. Goldi-lox is a good example.

Big Meanie posted on 2013-05-22 18:10:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Esso (#23)
Powdered skyscrapers would come in handy while terraforming.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Dakmar (#32)
Powdered skyscrapers would come in handy while terraforming.

Some damn rain would be good too.
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 18:16:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Big Meanie, 4 (#31)
a nice thought for us all, enjoy -

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:16:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Esso (#33)
Some day a hard rain is gonna fall, washing out all my competitors. That's probably where all those ball-point pens I've paid for wound up too.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:22:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Lod, christine (#34)
I'll see your Joan and raise you a Chrissie (Hynde).

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 18:24:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: christine (#0)
I come here to get news and data for my sick mind control experiments. Shutting this site down may possibly cause a .0003 rise in global flea and tick populations. What kind of monster wants to spread fleas and ticks?
Come on over back to the good side, Chrissie!
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:31:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Esso (#36)
No one sings Dylan like Baez - no one.
End of discussion. ;-)
Baez and Harris have aged so amazingly beautifully, I just can't say.
What amazing angels.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:40:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Buzzard (#27)
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

Turtle is immune to Pickonitis.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2013-05-22 18:42:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Dakmar, christine, 4 (#37)
Listen, Christine has to go practice and train to become the C&W ballroom dancing queen of the world.
She comes back to her 4um and finds us acting like some 8th grade jerk-offs.
How else do you expect her to react?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:46:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

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