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Published: May 22, 2013
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2013-05-22 13:39:19 by christine
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As most of you know, I haven't had the time to participate in or monitor 4um as I once did. That's not going to change. I will not be able to read every post every day. Truthfully, when I created this forum, it was never my intention to be a heavy handed administrator and it was always my hope that participants appreciate that, respect it, and, thereby, exercise self control.
For the most part, that has been the case--until lately.
The animosity and incivility and accusations displayed towards one another has become almost intolerable to me. It's caused me to feel ashamed that I am the owner of this forum. I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions. Subscribe to *4um Admin News*
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#1. To: christine (#0)
PM sent :)
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2013-05-22 13:41:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: christine (#0)
This will blow away like a bad storm.
Hang in there, Christine, I like to visit your site daily and I hope to continue to do so. I really do appreciate the time and expense you spend here.

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-05-22 13:51:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: christine, abraxas, farmfriend, lod, HighLairEon, FormerLurker, Jethro Tull, Rotara, titorite, SilverStorm, Phant2000, all (#0)
As I commented on another thread I would really really hate to see you pull the plug.
Personally, I would not take the vituperation of some to reflect general attitudes and behaviors. I think most people here are very civil, with a healthy dash of insouciance, so it does not reflect badly upon you. It reflects only upon those who step beyond the bounds of "agree to disagree" propriety and debate.
"Can't we all just get along?" ;-)
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 13:56:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Original_Intent, christine, 4 (#3)
Personally, I would not take the vituperation of some to reflect general attitudes and behaviors. I think most people here are very civil, with a healthy dash of insouciance, so it does not reflect badly upon you. It reflects only upon those who step beyond the bounds of "agree to disagree" propriety and debate.

Very well said and amen.
Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 14:03:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Lod, christine, all (#4)
My pleasure, and thank you.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 14:04:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)
"Can't we all just get along?"

I hope you're kidding about that.

Certain kinds of people will never get along with other kinds of people. I don't think that's a bad thing.

There is no list of rules here. Perhaps the problem is that people don't always know when they're crossing the line.

Big Meanie posted on 2013-05-22 14:12:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: christine (#0)
It would be very sad indeed to see this forum go away as there are many fine posters here who have great minds and ideas. We are not always going to agree on what each other has to say. No two minds think alike. I definitely agree about the uncivil behavior on this forum though. How can this forum attract new posters without quickly losing them? Some of these new posters are from highly educated backgrounds too. I came on this forum because I was really hoping that there were better informed posters here about things and especially those who have an independent way of thinking. Compared to other forums where if you don't speak the right things, or your politics are not agreeable with the rest of the forum (like FreeRepublic and Libertypost), this forum is by far the better of them both. I don't believe in homogenized thinking or groups. I avoid them like a contagious disease!

purplerose posted on 2013-05-22 14:20:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: christine (#0)
I think trolls are acting up to get us to stop talking. We are getting close to the collapse.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Horse posted on 2013-05-22 14:49:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: christine (#0)
You could let someone you trust who has time and wouldn't mind moderating it do it instead of pulling the plug. You are not responsible for what others post so you shouldn't be ashamed, people that post inappropriate stuff should be ashamed.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 14:55:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Horse (#8)
I think trolls are acting up to get us to stop talking. We are getting close to the collapse.

I think trolls are being paid, or else they wouldn't be here. We know for a fact that Israel does pay people to troll Internet boards. I think the goal is not to get us to stop talking, but to stop lurkers from lurking here. They don't want people to read the stuff we are posting about false flag events and the push for the invasion of nations that are of no threat to us. They don't want our numbers growing so they hire trolls to make it seem like we are nuts, when in fact it is just the trolls acting nuts pretending to be one of us.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 15:04:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: RickyJ (#9)
You are not responsible for what others post so you shouldn't be ashamed, people that post inappropriate stuff should be ashamed.

Amen to that.
Thank you.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 15:04:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: christine (#0)
I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions.

Sorry if I'm one of those who have caused you to feel shame here Christine, if anything blame me for my actions, not yourself.
Many people actively read articles and participate in discussions here, and it would be awful loss if you were to close down the forum.
Please reconsider.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-22 15:14:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Big Meanie (#6)
"Can't we all just get along?"
I hope you're kidding about that.
Certain kinds of people will never get along with other kinds of people. I don't think that's a bad thing.
There is no list of rules here. Perhaps the problem is that people don't always know when they're crossing the line.

Yes, your honor, that was a joke. Note the quote marks - it was a statement Rodney King made. I expect people to be boisterous, irascible, caustic, bitchy, and just all around ornery. However, there have to be limits somewhere. Absolutes are unobtainable so you are never going to have an absolutely polite and "reasonable" forum, but within limits it can be very fun.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 15:17:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: christine (#0) (Edited)
I am actually considering pulling the plug

Please don't.
I'm a new poster here but we used to fight Badeye on Ell Pee before you and Neil left. You might even remember my screen name if I could remember it.
I've lurked here since you opened this place. 4um makes a difference (on the good side!) even though maybe sometimes it seems not.
There are great people here, sometimes everyone goes 'round the bend, eh?
In fact, maybe think about expanding the site, with updated framework so it can resize to phones and tablets and some links to help you pay for the ongoing costs. Lots of things to do to expand awareness.

Edit to add: I'm fairly competent in Joomla (linked above), and I'd be happy to volunteer some time to help upgrade, if you so choose. Joomla is free, and it has an integrated forum.

Aquila posted on 2013-05-22 15:41:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: christine (#0)
Everything Aquila Said.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-22 15:43:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Original_Intent (#13)
I thought it was "Can't we all just get a bong?"

Aquila posted on 2013-05-22 15:44:31 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: RickyJ, christine (#9) (Edited)
You could let someone you trust who has time and wouldn't mind moderating it do it instead of pulling the plug. You are not responsible for what others post so you shouldn't be ashamed, people that post inappropriate stuff should be ashamed.

Is there a way to add Off-Topic and "Mudslinging" vote counters instead, so that you won't have to be bothered with PMs about that -- just look at those numbers for troublespot escalations? At LibertyForum, if a thread went off topic, the part that did was sometimes moved to its own thread. Bickering to excess was, iirc, sometimes moved to a "Cage-Match" subsection off the main board so as not to clutter up the Latest Comments area. Temporary time-out suspensions rather than banishment without reprieve might be something that could be an incentive for more civility. Would be a better alternative, imo, than Freedom4um being closed down or entrusted to other controllers (as LibertyForum was) who might abuse their moderator and database access powers or be motivated to cause other mischief here: using multiple screen names for deceptive baiting and such, for example.
Edited a typo.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2013-05-22 15:46:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: GreyLmist (#17)
There's always the Bozo Filter List in Setup, and there's the Ignore Thread on each new post which I use liberally when fellow members go 'round the bend on each other.
As invaluable as is my time, it's worth more than that.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 15:55:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Original_Intent, All (#13)
I expect people to be boisterous, irascible, caustic, bitchy, and just all around ornery. However, there have to be limits somewhere. Absolutes are unobtainable so you are never going to have an absolutely polite and "reasonable" forum, but within limits it can be very fun.

my sentiments exactly!
i'd sure like us to get back to having some fun again. my favorite aspect of this forum and its posters (many who have become cherished friends) has been the intelligent and often (lol inducing) witty repartee.
i want that back!
thank you all for your replies. they are much appreciated.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 16:04:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: christine, Lod, abraxas, randge, Ada, farmfriend, Lysander_Spooner, HOUNDDAWG, Jethro Tull, wudidiz, TommyTheMadArtist, Original_Intent, Horse, Artisan, Parrot with speed dial, gengis gandhi, X-15, TwentyTwelve, titorite, ALL (#0) (Edited)
The animosity and incivility and accusations displayed towards one another has become almost intolerable to me. It's caused me to feel ashamed that I am the owner of this forum. I am actually considering pulling the plug as I cannot see any value in letting this continue.
I would like to know your thoughts and opinions.

Dear Christine,
As other astute posters have seen, the extra high troll noise is due to the imminence of the SHTF, nothing more.
WE ARE GOING TO NEED communication clusters MORE THAN EVER when the down shift occurs. Assuming that the internet itself is not taken down, we will soon need 4Um and every other site not fatally corrupted to help organize grass roots cooperation amidst the increased chaos.
First gut reaction to your post?
Start terminating certain aliases/moniker/avatars!
Better to pluck out an offending eye than to lose the entire being. Cut off the paid pin heads and save the 4Um community!
Sounds like a worth-while trade to me....
All of us could provide you with a short list of troll aliases, those multiple personalities entertaining us with their trolling posts containing prime examples of the following:
1) Destructive intent
2) Uncivil behavior - non-existent manners
3) Deliberate lowering of the level of discourse
4) Deliberate distraction/obfuscation of important truths by regressive, immature, morally retarded self-indulgence.
5) Deliberate derailing of threads whose topics have the potential to expose the most of the emperor's bare ass!

Perhaps you are reluctant to go there, to the point of actively disabling abusers of your forum, out of concern that some tiny tortured souls (whether they are merely sincerely unconscious dupes pinioned by the MEdiaMatrix or terminally sleazy, paid trolls) might try to guilt you.
"Censorship!" Gasp!
Any meme that would attempt to shame you into the non-exercise of your rights as host, must be identified as coming from massive hypocrisy, a sub routine of the implanted self-defeating mind control, tying us into knots of indecision while the global miscreants slaughter children for fun.....
How about re-framing this into simple "party host" duty?
When some moral retard is stealing fun and life force from the other party guests, it is time to simply send the offenders away, no hesitation.
If you take that road, we will all help you to identify the new gophers which pop up; trolls taking new aliases.
It will be amusing to leverage the depth perception present here to identify the bad actors as they attempt to slip through the blockade of civil intercourse.
Whatever you do decide, you have the gratitude of all of us who have enjoyed the information exchange and the shelter from the storm of lies, here in the bosom of 4Um-land!
Thank you Christine!
Anger? As a first reaction to get your a$$ moving, once you see through the Media Matrix and set yourself free from your lifelong mind control collar. Sustainable? Not long enough to screen your intention to be free from the control freaks monitoring all comms! Our ultimate weapon is laughter and amused detachment at the folly of the would-be emperors while their plans evaporate! Fear mongers HATE it when the FEAR card doesn’t work. The humiliation of being seen as merely a naked ape is THEIR big fear. Laugh the bastards off the stage! Tell your friends that we can build a real civilization from the ruins of the totalitarian game!
HighLairEon posted on 2013-05-22 16:19:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: christine (#0)
It's just not the same without Cyni.
"Mr. Prime Minister, there is only one important question facing us, and that is the question whether the white race will survive." -- Leonid Brezhnev to James Callahan
Prefrontal Vortex posted on 2013-05-22 16:26:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: christine (#0)
Well, we haven't seen this type of discussion in quite a while. Maybe it's overdue? hehe
The sentiment is certainly understandable. I was a real idealist back when LP was started up. I figured most people had a thirst for the truth, and would get a good sense of satisfaction in discussing points and counterpoints. That gave me a lot of satisfaction in creating the software. Well, that and knowing how much dough FR rakes in, if I'm going to be real honest.
But I'm not so much of an idealist anymore. What's the truth, Christine? The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that. That includes me and most all of us here. This forum, and all others, are also very impersonal. We don't talk about things face to face. No, instead everyone is merely talking to their computer screens. And it's easy to be rude to a computer screen.
I know, no big revelation there.
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.
I guess there may be benefits to you that are now taken for granted. Maybe think about them?

Pinguinite posted on 2013-05-22 16:52:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Lod, christine, 4um (#18)
There's always the Bozo Filter List in Setup, and there's the Ignore Thread on each new post which I use liberally when fellow members go 'round the bend on each other.

I don't use the bozo filter, but often use the 'Ignore Thread' function, especially when people start their pissing matches in a quest for "the truth."
The truth has been outlawed with the advent of P.C. and is irrevocably extinct. There's not much point in searching for something that no longer exists. JFK, 9-11, the illegal jewWars, SandyHoax, Boston, etc. can all be written off to the JIZ infiltration of our government. Easy-peasy. The details will not be forthcoming (I do wish I knew how they turned three skyscrapers into powder, though. I could make a killing in the demolition trade).
That being said, there may be some merit to having someone else moderate the forum. I nominate Loddy. When Lod feels the need say something to someone who's out of line, they're way out of line. Never seen him make a bad call.
Also when a poster throws a hissy-fit demanding that their account be deleted, it should be done without discussion or question and their IP blocked and all posts deleted, if that is doable without a bunch of bullshit/nonsense (wasted time). There's nothing keeping anyone from just walking away. If they're so fucking unhappy with this website, then just leave, anything else is just drama.
Any poster deliberately posting disinformation on behalf of a foreign government (whether paid or not) to subvert the United States or the Constitution, should be banned without explanation or discussion. There's only one here that I'm aware of.
Sorry about the nomination for ban hammer duty, Loddy. I know that you probably don't want anything to do with that, but that's what makes you a perfect fit. Anybody volunteering for that job has an agenda and should be automatically excluded.
This is JMO, and worth exactly what you paid me for it, $0.00.
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 16:59:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: HighLairEon, christine (#20)
Thank you for your eloquence. I can find nothing with which I disagree.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 17:25:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Aquila (#16)
Bong? What's a bong? (snicker) ;-)
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 17:27:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Pinguinite (#22)
The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that.

Maybe for older topics, but not newer ones. At first I was thinking that talk about the Boston bombing using actors faking injuries was crazy talk. Then I saw the evidence and based on that I don't think it is crazy talk at all anymore. It doesn't make much logical sense to use actors there, but then again it doesn't make much logical sense for people to want to rule the world and kill billions in wars either when they already have more money then they could spend in their lifetimes and the highest standard of living possible for any humans on planet Earth maybe ever, but they desire it nevertheless.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 17:43:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: christine, Turtle (#0)
I would very much miss 4um if it was gone.
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.
It's the bankers fault !
Buzzard posted on 2013-05-22 17:46:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#21)
Yes, most of us miss the Cynicom and wish that he would return to posting here.
We have email communication, but I do miss his thoughts and responses in open 4um.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 17:53:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: Buzzard, christine, Turtle (#27)
I would very much miss 4um if it was gone.
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

I second that!
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 18:00:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Esso (#23)
Sorry about the nomination for ban hammer duty, Loddy. I know that you probably don't want anything to do with that, but that's what makes you a perfect fit. Anybody volunteering for that job has an agenda and should be automatically excluded.

lol - just like politicians, anyone wanting to be one, shouldn't become one.
Thank you for the undeserved compliment, but the beauty of 4 is the lack of the MF mods.
Any site that has mods, has moronic-members.
We are better than that.
We really are.
Let's all of us call out a member who goes over the top against another member, and remind them what we're about here.
To paraphrase Superman, "Truth, Justice, and (what used to be) the American way."
Apologies for the rant.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:02:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Esso (#23)
"Any poster deliberately posting disinformation on behalf of a foreign government (whether paid or not) to subvert the United States or the Constitution, should be banned without explanation or discussion. There's only one here that I'm aware of."

There are at least two --- one for Israel and one for Mexico.

I don't want them banned though. Some people do more to hurt their cause than to help it. Goldi-lox is a good example.

Big Meanie posted on 2013-05-22 18:10:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Esso (#23)
Powdered skyscrapers would come in handy while terraforming.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:13:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: Dakmar (#32)
Powdered skyscrapers would come in handy while terraforming.

Some damn rain would be good too.
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 18:16:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Big Meanie, 4 (#31)
a nice thought for us all, enjoy -

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:16:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Esso (#33)
Some day a hard rain is gonna fall, washing out all my competitors. That's probably where all those ball-point pens I've paid for wound up too.
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:22:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Lod, christine (#34)
I'll see your Joan and raise you a Chrissie (Hynde).

On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-22 18:24:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: christine (#0)
I come here to get news and data for my sick mind control experiments. Shutting this site down may possibly cause a .0003 rise in global flea and tick populations. What kind of monster wants to spread fleas and ticks?
Come on over back to the good side, Chrissie!
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:31:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: Esso (#36)
No one sings Dylan like Baez - no one.
End of discussion. ;-)
Baez and Harris have aged so amazingly beautifully, I just can't say.
What amazing angels.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:40:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: Buzzard (#27)
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

Turtle is immune to Pickonitis.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
Turtle posted on 2013-05-22 18:42:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: Dakmar, christine, 4 (#37)
Listen, Christine has to go practice and train to become the C&W ballroom dancing queen of the world.
She comes back to her 4um and finds us acting like some 8th grade jerk-offs.
How else do you expect her to react?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:46:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Lod (#40)
She comes back to her 4um and finds us acting like some 8th grade jerk-offs.
How else do you expect her to react?

Assured that nothing has changed?
:)
corruptissima re publica plurimae leges - Tacitus
Dakmar posted on 2013-05-22 18:49:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#42. To: Pinguinite, Fred Mertz (#22)
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.

I'm there Neil. I need a good party weekend :)
I echo Fred's sentiments at the top of this thread.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-05-22 18:52:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)
Ya gotta get down to check out the schools, etc.
We're waiting with open doors for you and yours!
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 18:56:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#44. To: Lod (#43)
Looks like this coming Fall Jim. The first round is on me.

Jethro Tull posted on 2013-05-22 19:08:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#45. To: HighLairEon, christine (#20)
Whatever you do decide, you have the gratitude of all of us who have enjoyed the information exchange and the shelter from the storm of lies, here in the bosom of 4Um-land!
Thank you Christine!

I agree. I have enjoyed the time I have spent reading articles and posting my thoughts here. Would hate to see 4um shut down because of a few disruptors but I thought that was why we had the clown filter. I use it and it seems to have worked pretty well for me.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2013-05-22 19:23:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#46. To: Esso, christine, Original_Intent, Dakmar, Lod, abraxas, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#36)

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2013-05-22 19:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)
Tremendous! - keep us posted as things develop.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 19:40:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#48. To: christine (#0)
I have seen 2 good conspiracy forum go to shit.
First one GTTO went the way of the dodo (not extinct yet... soon enough) because it was unmoderated and the owner and acolyte wanted only his own truth to shine out. You posted something that might negate the "truth", it was unwelcome. Other posters might have gotten confused and tough something else. It got to the point that it became an elitist clique that one have to be a member to even read threads. A totally screwed up environment. The only people now posting new threads there are the owner and his acolyte.
Regardless how one decide to view this, the result is the same, the truth is not coming out.

The other one was left to run amok in the name of free speech. Cliques formed over the span of 2 years, chasing everybody with their incessant trolling and incessant personal attacks, conspiracy theories that were posted, ridiculed by the same people who were left to keep the site up and running when the creator and owner left.
The end result, the site is still up and the bullies have won, they successfully have kicked out of their sandbox other members who had something to contribute by either post hunting them or trolling them out of the place. It was supposed to be a replacement to ATS without moderation, it has failed. The original owner does not even want to touch it with a 60 foot pole.

Leave a garden unattended, two things might happen.
1, It dries up, lack of water and becomes a patch of dried cracked earth (In Texas it will.)
2, If you do not weed it, grass, flowers, vegetables... will fight the weeds to get some sunshine, when they don't, they are overpowered withers and die. The weeds need to be pulled out, by the roots.

It would be sad if freedom4um were to go down this way, damn, it would be tragic :o(

Is it safe to assume that some members more than others have felt the lack of sunshine and are being suffocated by weeds?
You cannot ask a lot of people to get along under threat of pulling the plug without being willing to pull the weeds out. To do so is unfair. Might as well ask the flowers to do the job themselves, they are unable to do so, they do not have the means to do so.

If you want to try something new, I know someone who might be willing to code something. It would be a mean for us, posters to self moderate our own threads by post banning disruptors in the thread.
Just a thought.

SilverStorm

SilverStorm posted on 2013-05-22 21:16:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#49. To: Pinguinite, Jethro Tull (#22)
The plain truth is that most of us are pretty well set in what we believe, and "discussing" topics on a web forum isn't going to change that.

Amen to that, Neil. I just wanted to say that your forum software and format rock! I just registered on another site, rights-right; theirs is okay but yours is superior and I may be biased by being so used to it over the years. Thanks buddy!
Thanks JT for agreeing with me - for once!

Fred Mertz posted on 2013-05-22 21:22:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#50. To: Aquila, Pinguinite (#14)
i don't want to be a fuddy dud, but no joomla or any other canned CMS for that matter. The hackers know those scripts inside and out and know every possible way on earth to exploit the weaknesses.
The nice thing about 4um is that even people that can access the scripts from the inside have trouble figuring out just what the heck it is doing. ;)
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:35:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#51. To: christine (#0)
I love you baby. That's all that matters. ;) r

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2013-05-22 21:36:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#52. To: Buzzard, turtle (#27)
And I promise to make an effort to not pick on Turtle so much in the future.

Why? That's why we let turtle come here... to have someone to pick on.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:37:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#53. To: All (#51)
will sunday 26 ever get here ? i'm having doubts now...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara posted on 2013-05-22 21:39:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#54. To: Lod, Esso (#34)
Sometimes Dylan does Dylan pretty good too:

Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:43:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#55. To: Rotara (#51)
that made my day. lol.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:48:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#56. To: Pinguinite (#22)
What's the truth, Christine?

what each of us believes it is.;)
thanks for your input, Neil. i appreciate what you wrote very much.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:52:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#57. To: christine (#56)
I say do nothing, and let God figure it out.
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 21:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#58. To: Esso (#23)
There's nothing keeping anyone from just walking away. If they're so fucking unhappy with this website, then just leave, anything else is just drama.

really. it's so damn simple.
well said. the whole thing. you are so right about PC.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:55:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#59. To: Lod (#30)
no apologies! that was beautiful.

christine posted on 2013-05-22 21:57:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#60. To: christine, Pinguinite (#56)
What's the truth, Christine?
what each of us believes it is.;)
thanks for your input, Neil. i appreciate what you wrote very much.

"What is true is true for you."
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-22 21:59:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#61. To: Critter (#57)
I say do nothing, and let God figure it out.

that was funny. :P

christine posted on 2013-05-22 22:02:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#62. To: SilverStorm (#48)
Christine is NOT going to let this go away.
If she doesn't want to pay the registration fee, I will.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-22 22:06:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#63. To: Lod (#62)
Christine is NOT going to let this go away.
If she doesn't want to pay the registration fee, I will.

If it truly comes to this Lod, we will help with the costs. I'm sure others will as well.

SilverStorm posted on 2013-05-22 22:49:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#64. To: christine (#0)
Eventually, someone will bring pressure to bear on you, and they'll demand email addresses, names, et al.
That is how close the hour is.
Pull the plug if you can't cope. we're all going to be seeing an end to freedom soon, and in all honesty we should be focusing on the issues in the physical world. the cyber world is full of sunshine patriots. The real ones, are done with the virtual.
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.
"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
TommyTheMadArtist posted on 2013-05-22 23:07:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#65. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#64)
None of us have much time left no matter what the elite do. We are all going to die regardless eventually, I would rather die fighting than cowering in fear.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-22 23:47:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#66. To: christine (#61)
that was funny. :P

Funny, it was meant to be serious, sorta.
When I have problems and can't figure out what to do about them, I just opt to do nothing and let God figure it out for me. He generally does a better job than me. :)
Calling Ron Paul an isolationist is like calling your neighbor a hermit, because he doesn't come over your property and break your windows. - Dave Hebel Black Denim Jackets and Vests
Critter posted on 2013-05-22 23:48:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#67. To: christine (#0)
You dont need a moderator. if people dont like the insane dreadful constant bickering between certain posters, just ignore them all. thats what the ignore button is for. problem solved. although i also think that your remarks to the offenders to 'knock it off' help.

Really, there is something wrong with people who get so worked up over their percieved 'enemies' on a silly internet forum. i thought this was a place to read news and share insights.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2013-05-22 23:59:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#68. To: TommyTheMadArtist, all (#64)
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.

interesting perspective.

I believe we have plenty of time left and in 10 years the 4um will still be here and so will we., unless people die from illness, accidents, etc.

ive been hearing about this gloom and doom crap for decades and life still goes on everyday. people go to work, date, raise their families, earn their living. this will continue as usual.
when i was a kid my dad told me a good saying., work and plan as if youll live forever, live and pray as if youll die tomorrow. i think that good advice still stands.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2013-05-23 0:04:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#69. To: Critter, christine, all (#66)
When I have problems and can't figure out what to do about them, I just opt to do nothing and let God figure it out for me. He generally does a better job than me. :)

Wise and very effective :)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-05-23 0:27:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#70. To: Pinguinite (#22)
What's the truth

Truth is reality as proven by various tests and accepted by most. A belief is acceptance without proof in the context of one's experiences. To know is a notch above to believe.
As to Christine's general question members can do much of a mod's work by simply ignoring uncivil behavior, not posting any reply. Some boards deal with bad behavior with "Report Abuse."

Tatarewicz posted on 2013-05-23 0:35:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#71. To: Pinguinite (#22)
things like disbanding the EPA and absolutely no business regulation keep TONS of people away

personal integrity is hard to come by sometimes.

It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.

maybe but not necessarily.
A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America.
Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever:
Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth.
farmfriend posted on 2013-05-23 1:49:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#72. To: Tatarewicz (#70)
members can do much of a mod's work by simply ignoring uncivil behavior, not posting any reply

That works.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-05-23 2:00:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#73. To: farmfriend (#71) (Edited)
It's just not a substitute for having a big reunion somewhere where we all get to see what we all look like, in person, face to face, where most of us would be much more cordial.
maybe but not necessarily.

Oh, I am almost always a gentleman - in public. ;-)
Although I do subscribe to Oscar Wilde's observation: "A gentleman is never unintentionally rude."
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 2:06:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#74. To: christine, Lod, Esso (#61)
I agree with Esso, Lod would make a very good moderator. Sometimes the only solution with a real troll is banning. Sure the bozo filter and ignore thread are great for posters to ignore them, but they don't work for lurkers to ignore them. I think that is the main reason for any trolls here, to keep most lurkers from reading this forum and learning something.
God is always good!
RickyJ posted on 2013-05-23 2:14:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#75. To: RickyJ (#74)
Astute observation. I also think that is why 4um does not always show up in Search Engine results.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 2:18:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#76. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#64)
I don't post much anymore. I don't believe we have much time left.

Nor do I. In fact I think this recent rash of shit is just the first phase. The second phase won't be any more pleasant. What wonders we may see by july...
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-23 2:41:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#77. To: titorite, TommyTheMadArtist (#76)
I agree that they have gone more uptempo, but I also think that is fear that too many people are beginning to wake up. At this point it still remains a race against time. However, I think that the scales are beginning to shift ever so slightly. We are not out of the woods, but there are a few rays of light. Psychotics are brittle. They will keep coming at you, and coming at you, but a few defeats and they shatter. So, I am very guardedly optimistic that we may yet avoid the fall of darkness.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 2:51:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#78. To: christine (#0)
4um, smorum pull the plug already. All this information just hurts my head. I could use some help up here with the cows, goats, hogs and the dogs. (You might want to leave them cats behind, for their own safety)
On second thought maybe I should sell some of the livestock and become a moderator!!! If you want me to I could moderate the HELL out of these SOB's, by the time I'd get done with'em there'd be nobody left around here.
What's base pay for moderating these days?
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2013-05-23 2:55:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#79. To: RickyJ, christine, Lod, Esso (#74)
I agree with Esso, Lod would make a very good moderator. Sometimes the only solution with a real troll is banning. Sure the bozo filter and ignore thread are great for posters to ignore them, but they don't work for lurkers to ignore them. I think that is the main reason for any trolls here, to keep most lurkers from reading this forum and learning something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah and yeah.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow

wudidiz posted on 2013-05-23 2:58:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#80. To: RickyJ (#74)
I think that is the main reason for any trolls here, to keep most lurkers from reading this forum and learning something.

As it has always been. Silence those who have inconvenient things to say, and make anyone trying to pull things into perspective appear to be the villain.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
FormerLurker posted on 2013-05-23 3:08:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#81. To: christine (#0)
I'm thinking that this site has a better traffic rank compared to FreeRepublic or Libertypost. You might want also want to read the reviews about those two sites here too. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/freedom4um.com

purplerose posted on 2013-05-23 3:21:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#82. To: purplerose, christine (#81)
I think forum gets a lot of visits from people who want to know what the analysis is here and not necessarily because they are fond of us. We have, by and large, a pretty sharp crew. Not that we're always right but we have some good ferrets.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 3:47:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#83. To: Original_Intent, Hmmmm (#82)
It helps to repost articles from here to else where with proper attribution.

Thats What I do.
I get all sorts of awesome news and stories here and repost them at the serveral other sites I visit... In fact I think that is how Hmmmm found this spot if I am not mistaken. From stfu411.
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-23 3:54:35 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#84. To: christine, Shoonra, Be A Chooser (#0) (Edited)
4um is the only free speech site I know of that truly offers a non-judgmental, non-censoring stage for differing opinions.
For example I would not have normally come across a left wing ideologue like Shoonra.
Though I do not agree with him/her, I like the fact that I could dialogue with him/her without having either of us being banished to cyber space for expressing an opinion that's not in keeping with a steel fist moderator.
Free speech on 4um is a rare and wonderful gift you provide, christine.
Trolls are trying to disrupt normal discourse. Please don't let them discourage you.

scrapper2 posted on 2013-05-23 4:03:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#85. To: titorite (#83)
Cool. Anything which makes intelligent people want to come here is a good thing. The more, the merrier.
Perseverent Gardener"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha
Original_Intent posted on 2013-05-23 4:16:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#86. To: titorite (#83)
I think that is how Hmmmm found this spot if I am not mistaken.

Well actually it was a PM from chrissy on day 1, but keep spreading the news.
Mom told me "You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar" she also explained to me that when a real smart guy, like me, gets into a heated argument with a moron it's sometimes hard for a bystander to tell which is which. She's a gentle genius, but I love her.
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2013-05-23 11:06:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#87. To: Hmmmmm (#78)
On second thought maybe I should sell some of the livestock and become a moderator!!! If you want me to I could moderate the HELL out of these SOB's, by the time I'd get done with'em there'd be nobody left around here.

hahahahahahaa!!!

christine posted on 2013-05-23 11:24:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#88. To: christine (#87)
hahahahahahaa!!!

You know all I live for is to put a smile on your face!
“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele
“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb
“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm posted on 2013-05-23 11:30:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#89. To: scrapper2 (#84)
Free speech on 4um is a rare and wonderful gift you provide, christine.

And it certainly attracts one of a kind people to this forum. We're in rare form here.

purplerose posted on 2013-05-23 14:04:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#90. To: Artisan (#68)
work and plan as if you'll live forever, live and pray as if you'll die tomorrow.

Same here, amen.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-23 17:15:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#91. To: RickyJ (#74)
Thanks for the compliment, but after my banning at FR for questioning the chimperor's non-guarding of our borders, especially the southern one; I really, really, really, dislike moderated forums.
We should be mature enough, kind enough, wise enough, and thoughtful enough individuals to show common courtesy when talking(?) to each other here.
Shouldn't we?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-23 17:24:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#92. To: Hmmmmm (#78)
funny - thanks
I believe that mods work for free, in training for DHS employment.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-23 17:26:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#93. To: purplerose (#81)
Freedom4um.com's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 361,612. Visitors to it spend approximately 45 seconds on each pageview and a total of sixteen minutes on the site during each visit.

This has to be bogus - how can you view a page in 45 seconds or just stay for 16 minutes?
That's nuts.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2013-05-23 17:39:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#94. To: RickyJ, christine, Lod, Esso, Original_Intent (#74)
I agree with Esso, Lod would make a very good moderator.

I disagree, though it pains me to do so. Lod is too nice a guy and the stress would not be good for his health.
A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America.
Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever:
Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth.
farmfriend posted on 2013-05-23 20:41:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#95. To: farmfriend (#94)
Lod is too nice a guy and the stress would not be good for his health.

I've decided to run him for president instead. Posts 39-43
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-23 20:49:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#96. To: Esso (#95)
I've decided to run him for president instead.

ah so you are trying to kill him off outright then.
A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America.
Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever:
Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth.
farmfriend posted on 2013-05-23 20:56:08 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#97. To: farmfriend (#96)
so you are trying to kill him off outright then.

Well, not exactly, but I picked a damn good VP just-in-case. :)
On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2013-05-23 21:01:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#98. To: Lod (#93)
This has to be bogus - how can you view a page in 45 seconds or just stay for 16 minutes?

Perhaps not so much posters but lurkers.

purplerose posted on 2013-05-24 0:10:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#99. To: Esso (#97)
LOL
A study group recently released its findings as to the best presidents of the United States of America.
Obama has been rated as the 4th best president ever:
Reagan and 9 others tied for first, 15 presidents tied for second, 18 tied for third, and Obama came in fourth.
farmfriend posted on 2013-05-24 0:31:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#100. To: christine (#0)
Christine - nobody ever said that providing the opportunity for the truth to be told would be easy and free from antagonism from those who oppose truth. Could it be possible that this site has drawn the attention from those who either support the evil govt or are part of that govt and they are doing this hoping that you might become so discouraged that you no longer willing to operate this forum? When idiots and morons get on here and pull the crap they do it is not a reflection on you, it reflects their immaturity, hatefulness and mental illness. Don't let these sociopaths discourage you. Your site is one of the best on the web and I have recommended to many others including some on facebook. The choice for those looking for such a site is between Freedom4um and others like Freepers and the "You Can't Post Here Unless You Blindly Support Satan Worshipping Ashkenazim" LP site.

bush_is_a_moonie posted on 2013-05-26 1:21:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#101. To: Hmmmmm (#78)
Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained “we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”
Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.” In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”
Zionist reliance on Anti-Semitism to further their goals continues to this day. Studies of immigration records reflect increased immigration to the Zionist state during times of increased anti-Semitism. Without a continued inflow of Jewish immigrants to the state of "Israel", it is estimated that within a decade the Jewish population of the Zionist state will become the minority.
In order to maintain a Jewish majority in the state of "Israel", its leaders promote anti-Semitism throughout the world to "encourage" Jews to leave their homelands and seek "refuge".
Most people are not aware that in March, 1933, when Hitler became the undisputed leader of Germany and began restricting the rights of German Jews, the American Jewish Congress announced a massive protest at Madison Square Garden and called for an American boycott of German goods.
On March 24, 1933, the London Daily Express published an article announcing that the Jews had already launched their boycott against Germany and described a forthcoming "holy war". The Express urged Jews everywhere to boycott German goods and demonstrate against German economic interests.
The Express said that Germany was "now confronted with an international boycott of its trade, its finances, and its industry....In London, New York, Paris and Warsaw, Jewish businessmen are united to go on an economic crusade."
The article went on, "worldwide preparations are being made to organize protest demonstrations."
On March 27, 1933 the planned protest at Madison Square Garden was attended by 40,000 protestors (New York Daily News headlines: "40,000 Roar Protest Here Against Hitler").
Similar rallies and protest marches were also held in other cities. The intensity of the Jewish campaign against Germany was such that the Hitler government vowed that if the campaign did not stop there would be a one-day boycott in Germany of Jewish-owned stores.
Hitler's March 28, 1933 speech ordering a boycott against Jewish stores and goods was in direct response to the declaration of war on Germany by the worldwide Jewish leadership.
That same spring of 1933 there began a period of private cooperation between the German government and the Zionist movement in Germany and worldwide to increase the flow of German-Jewish immigrants and capital to Palestine.
Growing anti-Semitism in Germany and by the German government in response to the boycott played into the hands of the Zionist leaders. Prior to the escalation of anti-Semitism as a result of the boycott the majority of German Jews had little sympathy for the Zionist cause of promoting the immigration of world Jewry to Palestine. Making the situation in Germany as uncomfortable for the Jews as possible, in cooperation with German National Socialism, was part of the Zionist plan to achieve their goal of populating Palestine with a Jewish majority.
www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism

bush_is_a_moonie posted on 2013-05-26 1:32:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#102. To: bush_is_a_moonie, Christine (#100)
Christine - nobody ever said that providing the opportunity for the truth to be told would be easy and free from antagonism from those who oppose truth. Could it be possible that this site has drawn the attention from those who either support the evil govt or are part of that govt and they are doing this hoping that you might become so discouraged that you no longer willing to operate this forum? When idiots and morons get on here and pull the crap they do it is not a reflection on you, it reflects their immaturity, hatefulness and mental illness. Don't let these sociopaths discourage you. Your site is one of the best on the web and I have recommended to many others including some on facebook. The choice for those looking for such a site is between Freedom4um and others like Freepers and the "You Can't Post Here Unless You Blindly Support Satan Worshipping Ashkenazim" LP site.

Yeah,
what he said
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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
titorite posted on 2013-05-26 5:43:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#103. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#101)
Growing anti-Semitism in Germany and by the German government in response to the boycott played into the hands of the Zionist leaders. Prior to the escalation of anti-Semitism as a result of the boycott the majority of German Jews had little sympathy for the Zionist cause of promoting the immigration of world Jewry to Palestine. Making the situation in Germany as uncomfortable for the Jews as possible, in cooperation with German National Socialism, was part of the Zionist plan to achieve their goal of populating Palestine with a Jewish majority.

This.
“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic
X-15 posted on 2013-05-26 6:03:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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