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Title: Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag?
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Published: May 24, 2013
Author: Stephen Lendman
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Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag? by Stephen Lendman Reports said two assailants hacked a British soldier to death. He's been identified as Lee Rigby. He was killed in broad daylight. It was several hundred meters from southeast London's Woolwich Royal Artillery barracks. Weapons included a machete type knife. Alleged attackers remained on the scene. They did so until police arrived 20 minutes later. Why wasn't explained. Killers don't usually stay around to be captured. Both assailants were shot and apprehended. They were hospitalized for treatment. One allegedly said "(w)e must fight as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth." Britain's ITV news aired an edited video clip. Allegedly an onlooker filmed it. How whoever did so happened to be on site wasn't explained. Odds against it are huge. So is remaining unscathed. Assailants don't take kindly to being caught in the act. The clip showed a young Black man with blood dripping from his hands saying "(w)e swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you." "The only reason reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day." "The British soldier is an eye for eye, a tooth for a tooth." ITV edited the statement. It said nothing about "do(ing) this because Muslims are dying every day." Unedited it said: "There are many, many ayah (religious verses) throughout the Koran that says we must fight them as they fight us, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." "I apologize that women had to witness this today but in our land women have to see the same." "You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don't care about you." "You think David Cameron will get stuck in the street, when we start busting our guns?" "You think your politicians are gonna die? not it's gonna be the average like you, and your children." "So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back, so you can all live in peace." Reports called what happened the first domestic Al Qaeda-inspired attack since the July 7, 2005 underground (so-called 7/7) bombings. A series of attacks targeted the city's public transport system. They came during the morning rush hour. They were for maximum disruption and casualties. At precisely the same time, an anti-terror drill occurred. It simulated real attacks. It was no coincidence. The real attack was a false flag. It was done to heighten fear. At issue was enlisting public sentiment to keep Britain allied with Washington's imperial wars. At the time, AP reported that Israel's London embassy warned Scotland Yard in advance. Israeli Army Radio said: "Scotland Yard had intelligence warnings of the attacks a short time before they occurred." No action was taken. Israel's then finance minister Netanyahu was told to skip a London economic conference. He was scheduled to speak. Other officials were warned, not the public. Fifty-two people died. Over 700 were injured. These type incidents automatically raise questions. Answers are needed before jumping to conclusions. The timing of Wednesday's killing is very suspicious. It comes when Washington, Britain, other NATO allies, and Israel head toward full-scale war on Syria. Secretary of State John Kerry's traveling through the Middle East. A so-called June peace conference is scheduled. It's subterfuge. Prior peace initiatives failed. So will this one. Demanding Assad must go assures it. Washington's proxy war was launched to do so. Expect no change of plans now. Kerry met with foreign ministers of 11 so-called Friends of Syria countries and opposition group representatives. He discussed Syria with Netanyahu in Jerusalem. Multiple Israeli provocations preceded his visit. On May 23, Haaretz said Israel's "maintaining intense intelligence activity in Syria and working with local villagers." It's considering a covert Syrian "proxy force." It claims doing so will protect Israeli security. Israel's armed forces are very able on their own. A so-called proxy force, if established, is clearly provocative. It heads things closer to full-scale intervention. Washington and Israel partner in all regional belligerence. They jointly plan and implement conflicts. Kerry's trip coincides with Washington's plan to ramp up support for so-called "rebels." He demands Assad must go. He's uncompromising. So is Obama. Full-scale conflict could erupt any time. Manufactured pretexts make it easier. False flags are longstanding pre-war tactics. They're US/Israeli specialties. Britain's an active co-conspirator. Muslim extremism was blamed for Wednesday's London killing. We've seen this all before. Expect heightened Islamophobia ahead. UK, US, other key NATO allies, and Israel benefit most. They'll take full advantage. British MP George Galloway said "(t)his sickening atrocity in London is exactly what we are paying the same kind of people to do in Syria." True enough. He omitted explaining what appears most important. Washington and complicit allies manufacture pretexts. They did so to justify proxy war on Syria. It's a short step to intervening full-blown. They've done it before. They manipulate public sentiment. They fabricated reasons to attack Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. They're doing so against Iran. They want public support. Stoking anti-Muslim rage enlists it. Post-9/11, Bush's Afghan war was popular. Few knew what's now more apparent. Fewer understood Washington's imperial agenda. Multiple wars followed. New ones are planned. The entire region and beyond may become embroiled in conflict. Advancing America's imperium matters most. At issue is creating pretexts to do so. Perhaps London's incident is the latest. The fullness of time will explain more. Prime Minister David Cameron convened an emergency meeting. Top advisors and intelligence officials attended. UK Home Secretary, Theresa May, called an emergency Civil Contingencies Committee (COBRA) meeting. Cameron chaired it. It includes cabinet ministers and high-level security officials. It deals with terrorism and other major crises. COBRA refers to the room where committee members meet - Cabinet Office Briefing Room A. A terrorist alert was imposed. Heightened security steps were taken. These measures don't commonly follow street killings. It doesn't matter how gruesome. Most incidents get scant coverage. Many go unnoticed. This one suggests something bigger. What happened may be pretext for what's planned. It remains to be seen what follows. Peter Eyre is a Middle East consultant, geopolitical analyst, investigative journalist, anti-war activist, and valued Progressive Radio News Hour guest. He jumped on the Woolrich incident. He discussed justifiable reasons to doubt the legitimacy of official reports. They have a distinct aroma. They fall short of truth and full disclosure. On May 23, Eyre headlined "Woolwich beheading: Security tightened at all London army barracks." His detailed analysis includes images. "The gruesome scene of a decapitated actor with no police or paramedics at the scene and no blood," he said. The "offenders are shot by armed police who are in attendance in the background but the murder scene has not been secured!!" Many awakened "to this amazing Shakespearean play that has unfolded in Woolwich, London where all the actors were so bad they would not even qualify for an interview as an extra in some third rate movie!!" Eyre asked if police "drag(ged) the (victim's) body around the corner?" "BBC stated a man wearing a Help the Hero's T Shirt was hit by a car, then attacked and killed with a machete or sword by the cars occupants." (S)o much vivid violence and yet still no blood at the scene…why?" "(B)ecause the actors had not had time to splash it around before they filmed the scene." "(I)t was however added later as the picture (in his article) shows…the blood is only on the pavement and not on the road!!" "(D)o you think they attempted to copy the Boston Bombing but somehow did not get it right?" Eyre suggested that blood on a signpost was "Tomato Ketchup!!" Key is calling the incident Islamic terrorism. Doing so automatically raises suspicions. Most often, the usual suspects are patsies. They're props for planned state-sponsored mischief. Expect UK, America, Israel and imperial allies to take full advantage. Police state harshness may increase. Waging war on Islam will continue. Doing so full-scale against Syria appears likely. What's long planned may erupt any time. A Final Comment UK media reports identified one alleged attacker. Twenty-eight year old Michael Abebolajo grew up in Romford. He comes from a Christian family. In 2003, he converted to Islam. A man who knew his family said they were very pleasant. Friends called him very quiet. In school, he was a good guy, they said. They were shocked to learn a former schoolmate faces murder charges. Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago. He can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. His new book is titled "Banker Occupation: Waging Financial War on Humanity." http://www.claritypress.com/LendmanII.html Visit his blog site at sjlendman.blogspot.com. Listen to cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests on the Progressive Radio News Hour on the Progressive Radio Network. It airs Fridays at 10AM US Central time and Saturdays and Sundays at noon. All programs are archived for easy listening. http://www.progressiveradionetwork.com/the-progressive-news-hour http://www.dailycensored.com/woolrich-london-killing-terrorism-or-false-flag/
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#1. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
False flag Steve. Everyone here that is sane agrees. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
They didn't get it right in Boston either. God is always good!
Why wasn't explained. Killers don't usually stay around to be captured. Both assailants were shot and apprehended. There's only a couple of plausible explanations for that. Either they're actors for the goob, knowing there's no consequences awaiting them or they're mind- controlled/drugged dupes. Also the behavior of the bystanders/pedestrians is quite curious. Supposedly a grizzly murder has just occured, yet there's no pandemonium. Personally, I wouldn't be hanging around talking to, filming and casually strolling by meat ax and chef's knife-weilding spooks on the street unless I knew there was no danger involved. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. i agree.
duhhhh.... ;)
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I doubt it took the cops 20 minutes to respond. Videotape shows the two killers trying to rush the police car as it arrived. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-...ack-video-watch- shocking-1907772 Apparently this murder occurred in full view of a bus full of people, which stopped when it saw the body in the road. At least one of the people on the bus was making a videotape (maybe with a smartphone) that started within about a minute AFTER the soldier was killed but it clearly shows at least one of the assailants trying to make a speech to passers-by.
Not 20 minutes, but 14 minutes - still sort of slower than I'd expect. It appears the killers, or at least one of them, actually encouraged people to take his picture. And that the body was dragged to the middle of the road, which may explain why there's less blood than expected.
You can relax now citizen, our rep from The Ministry of Truth has arrived with a new batch of Soma and enough soothing talking points to calm the severest of cynics. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. UK Home Secretary, Theresa May, called an emergency Civil Contingencies Committee (COBRA) meeting. Cameron chaired it. It includes cabinet ministers and high-level security officials. It deals with terrorism and other major crises. COBRA refers to the room where committee members meet - Cabinet Office Briefing Room A. A terrorist alert was imposed. Heightened security steps were taken. These measures don't commonly follow street killings. It doesn't matter how gruesome. Most incidents get scant coverage. Many go unnoticed. This one suggests something bigger. What happened may be pretext for what's planned. It remains to be seen what follows. [sic] Many awakened "to this amazing Shakespearean play that has unfolded in Woolwich, London where all the actors were so bad they would not even qualify for an interview as an extra in some third rate movie!!" A prior foreshadowing, believe it or not, in what Wikipedia calls "the [UK] ceremonial county of East Essex": Vortex To Another Dimension Reported In Brighton By Anna Roberts, Crime reporter 9:00am Sunday 12th May 2013 in News A member of the public reported to Brighton and Hove City Council that the “wormhole or vortex” had opened up in Montreal Road, Hanover, on May 2. They made the report via the website Fix My Street which is more typically used to report potholes, dumped rubbish and broken lampposts. The anonymous poster said: [sic] “On closer inspection it seems to be some kind of portal to other times, places and dimensions. [sic] “Is this meant to be there? At first I believed it might be part of the Brighton Festival but I believe it could be a hazard to the general public. I look forward to your response.” They followed this up with a report on Thursday, explaining: “The other day I reported the presence of some kind of wormhole or vortex on Montreal Road. “I went past the other day and it seems to have got worse – it is now emitting an unsettling yellow light and a large snake appears to be emerging from the wall. “I am concerned this is a passage to another time or dimension, and if this snake is anything to go by, I'm worried what else may emerge from the wormhole. Can anyone suggest a course of action to take?” Brighton and Hove City Council told The Argus they will not be investigating the report. Commenting on Fix My Street previously, the council said: “We welcome reports through any means residents choose and as a council provide many ways through which residents can raise issues directly ranging from post, online or by telephone.” London attack police make two further arrests after Woolwich killing - UK news - guardian.co.uk Alexandra Topping, Paul Owen and Martin Williams guardian.co.uk, Thursday 23 May 2013 19.32 EDT The prime minister is to chair a Cobra emergency response committee later today in response to the killing of a man, believed to be a soldier, in Woolwich yesterday. [sic] Last night Reid said the government should revive plans to extend internet and email monitoring powers to the security services. The Labour ex-home secretary said such measures were "essential" to combating terrorism, warning it could otherwise take "some huge tragedy" to show the decision was wrong. He said said mobile phone data had been crucial in foiling the 2006 plot to blow up aeroplanes using liquid explosives but that terrorists now used online communication. [sic] now people have moved on from mobile phones to internet, email, text, Skype. We don't have the means of doing what we did six years ago. That is where some of the measures the government has refused to implement, like data communication, is absolutely essential for effective fighting of terrorism. You will never find out whether you are right on this one until there is some huge tragedy that might have been averted if they had updated the communication appraisals that can be carried out at GCHQ. The Cobra meeting is due to begin at 8.45am. People should be more agreeable now as to why COBRA Command wants to be more privacy invasive, no? -- and why they would rather over-assess the populace as a threat than under-estimate risk potentials?: Woolwich murder inquiry into what MI5 may have missed gathers pace - UK news - The Guardian First briefing for head of intelligence committee as MI5, MI6 and GCHQ chiefs face public scrutiny over terror suspects Nick Hopkins It will be the first time the heads of the three agencies have gone in front of the committee together – in public – and it will give the ISC a chance to question them in broad terms about the terrorist threat and the intelligence picture before this week's murder. [sic] He said the priority remained the police inquiry into the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby, but he thought it was possible for the ISC to continue its own investigation concurrently – because the committee will question witnesses, and review files, behind closed doors. "This is the first inquiry that we will have done under the new powers. I am 100% sure the agencies will co-operate with us," said Sir Malcolm. The security service and the police had files on the two suspects, Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale, who had appeared as peripheral figures in counter-terrorist investigations over the last eight years. [sic] Downing Street has been told that MI5 did not consider the men to be a high risk or a danger to national security, because there was nothing in their background to suggest they would behave in the way they did on Wednesday. Amid some strong media criticism of the service, a former head of counter- terrorism at MI6 said it was "incredibly hard to stop" attacks of this kind, which probably had little planning or preparation. "I assume that these people are probably coming out of a small group without necessarily any overseas connections or any other broader connections in the United Kingdom which could come to the attention of the security services more than they did," said Richard Barrett. "When does a person who expresses radical views, who joins a radical group, flip over to over to be a violent extremist? To find the signals, the red flags as it were, I think is enormously hard. "I should imagine that these two people themselves probably didn't have any intention to commit a crime like this until relatively recently before they did. They must have had some indication that these guys were a problem in order to note their names. But it is one thing to note their names, it is quite another thing to take invasive action to track their movements and so on." Edited for spacing and spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Here come the mind-melders: Woolwich killing: universities crack down on the preachers of hate - with video Universities asked to draw up guidelines on handling preachers with track record of inciting hatred in aftermath of attack Patrick Wintour, Matthew Taylor and Nick Hopkins Link to video: Woolwich attack victim Lee Rigby's family remember 'man who loved people' Universities UK, which represents higher education institutions, launched a new campaign in an attempt to show students, unions and academics what they can do to constrain controversial preachers. Ministers are reluctant to reach for a barrage of new legislation in the wake of the terrorist murder of a soldier outside Woolwich barracks, but recognise they need to do more to revive Labour's stalled Prevent strategy, which was introduced by the previous government in an attempt to forestall young people becoming involved with extremist groups. One of the suspects in Wednesday's murder of Lee Rigby, Michael Adebolajo, converted to Islam in 2003 and attended events of the now banned al-Muhajiroun group. But it is not clear that there was any university link. The limited government response emerged on the day that the family of murdered soldier Lee Rigby fought back tears at an emotionally charged press conference describing their shock that a soldier who had served in Afghanistan was killed in broad daylight on the streets of London. Rigby's wife, Rebecca, and stepfather, Ian Rigby, spoke on behalf of the family at the regimental HQ of his unit, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers, at Bury in Greater Manchester. I love Lee and always will," said Mrs Rigby. "I am proud to be his wife and he was due to come up this weekend so we could continue our future together as a family … You don't expect it to happen when he's in the UK. You think they're safe. She said her husband, from Langley, in Middleton, Greater Manchester, was a devoted father to their two-year-old son, adding: "His proudest moments were serving in London on the ceremonials with the drum corps." Conservative Muslims have urged the government to go further and publish its own official list of speakers that it believes universities should not allow. Mohammed Amin, vice-chair of the Conservative Muslim forum yesterday urged the faiths minister, Lady Warsi, to consider publishing a list of the proscribed preachers. Amin said: "Too many times institutions say they would have banned someone if they had known about their background, but by then it is too late. Only government has the resources to publish this list and to be free of the threat of legal action. If someone objected to being on the list they could appeal. It is not illiberal." Rupert Sutton, from Student Rights, an organisation aimed at preventing extremism at universities, said he hoped universities would develop internal lists of speakers liable to preach hatred or violence. He added: "There is a problem with Prevent at many universities, partly because it comes from government and partly because it is seen as anti-Muslim. It needs to be refocused much more clearly as being opposed to extremism of both right and left." Expect Communistic, Imperialistic, and Zionistic ideologues to be given waivers and promotional backing. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Why wasn't explained. Killers don't usually stay around to be captured. Both assailants were shot and apprehended. There's only a couple of plausible explanations for that. Either they're actors for the goob, knowing there's no consequences awaiting them or they're mind- controlled/drugged dupes. Excerpts from: Woolwich attack video: Watch shocking footage of terrorists charging at police car in attempt to kill WPC - Mirror Online - videos The callous Islamic extremists had lured police to the scene by dragging the body of the murdered fusilier – named yesterday as Lee Rigby, 25 – into the middle of the road. When they see the first police car arrive, the pair split up. Blade-wielding Michael [Olumide] Adebolajo, 28, runs at officers head-on and his accomplice, named locally as 22-year-old Michael Oluwatobi Adebowale, advances alongside, aiming his gun at them. The officers took a split-second decision to open fire with hollow point bullets while they were sitting in the car, either through open windows or partially opened doors Repeat: The officers ... open fire with hollow point bullets Woolwich attack: let's try a bit of keeping calm Coverage of this crime is just another example of gore laid on by the bucketload, the perpetrators' goal, but the reality sanitised [Article undated. Author: a chilling UDP - Unidentified Drone Propagandist] - Excerpts [sic] The alleged killers, shot but still alive (no street executions please, officers), are in custody and will stand trial. [sic] That makes sense to most of us, though it is another selfishly expensive decision for the taxpayer. Alritey, then. Does everyone understand better now why LEOs should use hollow point bullets in order to more ably gun down suspects to death without a trial in their unselfish efforts to save taxpayers some judicial expenses? /s Edited for spelling. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Apparently this murder occurred in full view of a bus full of people, which stopped when it saw the body in the road. At least one of the people on the bus was making a videotape (maybe with a smartphone) that started within about a minute AFTER the soldier was killed but it clearly shows at least one of the assailants trying to make a speech to passers-by. Excerpts re: Video 1, 26 seconds The driver, unable to draw her firearm, is saved by a male colleague in the back who fires his machine-gun through his window at a suspect who is charging at her. The callous Islamic extremists had lured police to the scene by dragging the body of the murdered fusilier – named yesterday as Lee Rigby, 25 – into the middle of the road. When they see the first police car arrive, the pair split up. Blade-wielding Michael [Olumide] Adebolajo, 28, runs at officers head-on and his accomplice, named locally as 22-year-old Michael Oluwatobi Adebowale, advances alongside, aiming his gun at them. The dramatic climax to the horrific attack – in which dad of one Lee, from Manchester, was hacked to death – was filmed by a resident in a tower block overlooking the scene in Artillery Road, Woolwich. The footage reveals how, after beheading the soldier, they set up their ambush bid to murder the first police officers to arrive. as soon they see the patrol car turn the corner the suspects spring into action, in a move designed to give the gunman time to target officers. Shots fired. Suspects 1 and 2 down. Excerpts re: Video 2, 4.5 minutes Eight minutes 21 seconds into the video, the men sprint towards the police BMW X5 which comes round the corner and skids to a halt. ...shots ring out... The officers took a split-second decision to open fire with hollow point bullets while they were sitting in the car, either through open windows or partially opened doors. [The WPC] is flanked by two male colleagues who run out from either side of the car, with ... submachine guns. The man who filmed the footage said: “I got my camera phone out and started filming as I thought it was a robbery or a kidnapping.” I didn't hear any rapid-fire machine guns in the videos. Except for the machine guns reported, the gun battle scene reminds me of a staged shootout at an Old West-styled facility that even had tumbling from a roof involved. It looked real but wasn't. Other video evidence indicates a 3rd possible suspect in the road. The victim scene shows 2 possible oil trails or something from underneath the car crash at the sign but no blood trail from the victim's body into the street. In the gunned-down perps scene, another possible body is apparently in the road but farther away that might not be the victim. There is conflicting photographic evidence that needs to be assessed and no reports, afaik, of more than two suspects shot: Photo A. Alleged victim-soldier, Lee Rigby, but no red T-shirt seen, as claimed he was wearing || Photo B. Possibly 3 prone bodies: 1 on the sidewalk and 2 in the street but the unidentified person/object? is not positioned closer to the curb like the alleged victim -- || Photo C. Wall and red sign there doesn't match the victim scene. Afaik, six people have been arrested so far: 1. Michael Olumide Adebolajo, 28 Edited to include age at #3 in the list of people arrested so far. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Woolwich attack: let's try a bit of keeping calm ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Scroll to the second and third linked sections at #10 for why I think the London Attack was staged to get such measures and more implemented now, rather than waiting for forced immigration tensions to escalate unpredictably.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The muslim threat is a hoax. To establish a scapegoat to divert attention from youknowwho.
The U.K. is NOT like America, people are just loony, White as well as the assorted Niggers. The Nanny-State mentality has turned everybody into zombies who are afraid to show any emotions that are contrary to their ZOG.
#2. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
"(D)o you think they attempted to copy the Boston Bombing but somehow did not get it right?"
#3. To: 4um (#0)
Alleged attackers remained on the scene. They did so until police arrived 20 minutes later.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#4. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
Allegedly an onlooker filmed it. How whoever did so happened to be on site wasn't explained. Odds against it are huge. So is remaining unscathed. Assailants don't take kindly to being caught in the act.
#5. To: Esso (#3)
filming and casually strolling by meat ax and chef's knife-weilding spooks on the street unless I knew there was no danger involved.
#6. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
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#7. To: Stephen Lendman (#0)
#8. To: All (#7)
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#9. To: christine (#5)
duhhhh....
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#10. To: Stephen Lendman, All, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0)
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Prime Minister David Cameron convened an emergency meeting. Top advisors and intelligence officials attended.
Council bosses have been left mystified after reports that a portal to another dimension has opened in a residential street in Brighton.
Good morning.
The Guardian, Friday 24 May 2013 14.39 EDT At the public meeting, Parker will join the MI6 chief, Sir John Sawers, and GCHQ director, Sir Iain Lobban, to answer questions from the ISC, whose members include Lord Butler, a former private secretary to five prime ministers, and Sir Menzies Campbell, the former Liberal Democrat leader.
#11. To: All (#10)
People should be more agreeable now as to why COBRA Command wants to be more privacy invasive, no? -- and why they would rather over-assess the populace as a threat than under-estimate risk potentials?
The Guardian, Friday 24 May 2013 16.07 EDT A fresh drive to prevent radicalisation of impressionable students on campus is being launched in which universities will be asked to draw up guidelines on how to handle preachers who have a track record of inciting hatred, at the end of a dramatic week that saw a soldier murdered in Woolwich in the first terror-related incident on mainland Britain since the 7 July 2005 bombings.
#12. To: Esso, All (#3)
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Alleged attackers remained on the scene. They did so until police arrived 20 minutes later.
The footage obtained by the Daily Mirror reveals how, after beheading the soldier, they hatched a plot to ambush and murder the first police officers to come to his aid
Witty variations on Britain's wartime slogan "Keep Calm and Carry On" are very popular these days. But it's not the message we send each other through hyperactive 24/7 rolling TV news and online rolling newspapers, let alone on frenetic social media. Just look at the wall-to-wall coverage of yesterday's brutal killing in Woolwich, London, nothing too unpleasant to be left to the imagination.
#13. To: Shoonra, All (#7)
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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-...ack-video-watch- shocking-1907772
The brave WPC [ Woman Police Constable ] first on the scene at the Woolwich beheading came within inches of death, as this exclusive Daily Mirror footage shows.
The 15-minute 50-second footage was filmed 100ft up from the windows of a flat
2. Michael Oluwatobi Adebowale, 22
3. Abu Nusaybah, 31
4. and 5. a 29-year-old man and woman on suspicion of conspiracy to murder the soldier, suggesting there may have been a wider plot to carry out the attack. The 29-year-old woman was arrested at a flat in Greenwich, south-east London.; both unidentified
6. ?
#14. To: All (#13)
Greenwich
Joseph Conrad described the introverted, narcissistic mentality of plotters involved in his 1907 novel, The Secret Agent, depicting an anarchist gang targeting the Greenwich Observatory – not far from Woolwich – in another jittery phase of public life when Germans and Russians, not jihadis, were the enemy.
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
#16. To: GreyLmist (#15)
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#17. To: Esso (#3)
Supposedly a grizzly murder has just occured, yet there's no pandemonium. Personally, I wouldn't be hanging around talking to, filming and casually strolling by meat ax and chef's knife-weilding spooks on the street unless I knew there was no danger involved.
-Alex Kurtagic
#18. To: X-15 (#17)
That's the entire problem. Without JIZOG, there would be no Muzzies, Mexicans, etc. here or there. Fort Wayne wouldn't be called the Burmese capital of the US. ZOG.
Fort Wayne is cited as having the highest Burmese American population in the United States, with estimates near 6,000.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#19. To: Esso (#18)
I'll trade my 4th grade dropout mexicons for your Burmese?? I'll throw in the odd Vietnamese "youth" who drives a whored-out Honda and is only guilty of petty street-crimes such as knifing innocents, selling heroin, and vandalizing other cars to fund his rolling abortion that he calls a 'racecar'.
-Alex Kurtagic
#20. To: All (#10)
Post #11: Universities UK, which represents higher education institutions, launched a new campaign in an attempt to show students, unions and academics what they can do to constrain controversial preachers. Lee Rigby Murder 50-Year-Old Man Arrested In Connection With Woolwich Killing - pics [Excerpts] Updated: 27/05/2013 She told the BBC's Andrew Marr show: "We are now working through across the government what action we can take but I'm clear, the law enforcement agencies, the intelligence agencies need access to communications data and that is essential to them doing their job.'' Her revelation came after Downing Street confirmed the launch of a new terror taskforce to crack down on extremism. The group, comprising Cabinet ministers and top police and security service officials, will focus on radical preachers who seek out potential recruits in prisons, schools, colleges and mosques. Post #10: some of the measures the government has refused to implement, like data communication, is absolutely essential for effective fighting of terrorism. [i.e. mobile phones, internet, email, text, Skype]
The developments came after the Home Secretary Theresa May strongly indicated she would seek to revive legislation giving security agencies access to public communications data.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#21. To: All (#13)
Woolwich attack: Tenth arrest in Drummer Lee Rigby murder investigation - Crime - London24 [Excerpts] A south east London address is also being searched. Nine other people have been arrested in connection with the brutal killing of 25-year-old, serving soldier Drummer Rigby on John Wilson Street last week, including the two alleged killers who were caught on film charging at armed police after the attack. Michael Adebolajo, 28, and Michael Adebowale, 22, remain in hospital in stable conditions, police have said. Two women who were arrested on Thursday on suspicion of conspiracy to murder were released without charge. One man, 22, is currently being held on suspicion of murder, police said. Four others - 24, 28, 21 and 29 - have been bailed following their arrests on suspicion of murder. Anyone with film or photography of the incident has been asked to send it to police Oddly quiet on the names. Maybe they're not Muslims? Afaik, six people have been arrested so far
A 50-year-old man was arrested this afternoon in Upper Wickham Lane, Welling, on suspicion of conspiracy to murder, Scotland Yard said.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#22. To: GreyLmist (#21) (Edited)
Archive of posts on the London Attack 4um Title: London's false flag even more pathetic than the Boston Bombing 4um Title: Woolrich London Killing: Terrorism or False Flag? 25 Questions about the woolwich attack that need to be answered! - Posted by wudidiz at #135 of 4um Title: BUTCHERED SOLDIER Terror Attack in LONDON a HOAX? DEBUNKED & PROVEN AS GENUINE EVENT Edited for additional filing.
Evidence, research, false flag issues and motivations, etc. Posts #: 23, 25, 27, 28, 31, 87, 104, 110
Posts #: 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 20, 21
Posts #: 57, 60, 78, 81, 99, 111, 125, 131, 132, 136, 137, 144, 177, 179, 180, 185, 216, 218, 219, 221, 233, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 265, 273, 277
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#23. To: Katniss, All (#22) (Edited)
4um Title: FWIW ... [Posted by Katniss] In more recent news: villainry from the Arabian Peninsula again, addressed to the U.S.: The six minute Arabic-language audio statement by Qasim al-Rimi, entitled “Message to the American Nation” was released on the Internet with English subtitles by al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), || Video 2 [at FWIW ...]: Film of the alleged victim scene and also the alleged perp scene officers on-site at 1:59 corresponding to this pic. 4um references: Photo B at #13 of this thread + #236 and #240 archived here. Published 1 June 2013 at dailymail.co.uk: Woolwich murder, the MI6 connection: Younger brother of Michael Adebolajo 'was paid thousands to spy in Middle East' -- questionable alleged sibling pics: Jeremiah aka Abul Jaleel (reportedly the younger brother of Michael but looks much like him ) and supposedly the older sister, Blessing, at Pic example 1 and Pic example 2 (which comparatively looks like it could be 2 different people) Edited for formatting. Video 1 [at FWIW ...]: Full speech by the alleged Muslim attacker, Adebolajo (with the Christian name, Michael); Quotes the Bible (eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth), not the Koran. Partial transcript at Post #31 archived here.
|| Published Monday, June 3, 2013 at washingtontimes.com: Al Qaeda affiliate’s grave new warning: Inflicting mass casualties on U.S. a top priority by Shaun Waterman
The military commander of al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen is threatening new attacks against America, saying its people will never be safe until the U.S. government stops “attacking and oppressing” Muslim countries.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#24. To: GreyLmist, 4 (#23)
I don't understand why the West fails to believe the words of muslims, from OBL to these whackers, when they say that they will continue to attack us as long as we're invading/occupying their countries. Believe them, please.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#25. To: titorite (#1)
Insanity is thinking everything is a false flag/conspiracy. Someday perhaps there will be a cure for this kind of dementia. Everyone here that is sane agrees.
"Have Brain, Will Travel
#26. To: Lod, GreyLmist, Turtle, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#24)
Questions about the woolwich attack that need to be answered!
1. Why did the 'killers' crash their car before attacking the guy? were they on drink or drugs? why not just run him over?
2. How did the 'killers' know the guy was a soldier? simply based on the tee shirt he was supposedly wearing?
3. How did they know where he would be walking at that very time? Surely they must have known his movements prior to that moment?
4. If the 'killers' had firearms as well as machetes and knives, why not just shoot him?
5. Since no picture or video shows a beheaded body, and the post mortem says he was basically 'incised to death', then how do we know he was beheaded?
6. Why werent the numerous passers by even remotely scared of these bloodied maniacs that just murdered someone, as they casually strolled by? How did they know they wouldn't be in any danger?
7. The so called 'good samaritans', the women who were said to have 'protected' the beheaded body to prevent it from further attack, including the woman who supposedly got off a bus, just to talk to the bloodied 'killer', telling him that terrorism would never prevail, etc, or another woman who lay down beside the headless bloodless 'corpse', are we supposed to actually believe that?
8. Why did it take the police almost 20 minutes to arrive on scene?
9. Why do some pics appear to show 'police' cutting the 'killers' clothing and adding blood?
10. Why does the forensics tent, supposedly covering the 'headless corpse', show up in 2 different locations, one near the junction of the 2 roads, the other, much further away?
11. If the incident happened around 2.30 pm, why did it only filter through to mainstream media several hours later? (And incessantly ever since)?
12. Why did the PM have to cut his trip to france short, for a murder?
13. Why was the scary sounding COBRA commitee formed? for one murder?
14. Since when is a stabbing, an 'act of terrorism'?
15. Why does one of the 'perps', the one ranting to the camera, have no blood on him whatsoever, except the very odd looking stuff on his hands (depending on which video version of the edited mainstream media you watch)?
16. Why does that very shot show the perp in slightly different positions, as if being filmed by two cameras?
17. Who is the very brave cameraman? why did he stand there a few feet from someone who had just 'cut the head off a passer by'? Why not run off? Or get a shot of the 'victim'?
18. Why is it these 2 'perps' were known to MI5, as always?? Were they trained by MI5? Are they agents, or actors?
19. Where is all the local CCTV? Why is there only the one video, of the very brave passer by, holding 2 cameras, filming the alledged perp, who doesn't even admit to the 'killing', merely hes sorry that 'women had to see this'?
20. Why are some aerial shots altered? Why are some parts, of passers by walking straight past the 'perp', 'cut out'?
21. If armed 'police' , who arrived almost 20 minutes later, shot the 'perps' 8 times, surely, they would have killed them?
22. Why did the 'perps' hang around, waiting for armed police, who would surely kill them? If they were heavily armed martyrs, why not kill themselves?
23. Why do the media bombard us with 'eyewitnesses saw this, unnamed sources saw that', yet all the raw footage is watermarked with a mainstream news outlets symbol? Who are these sources and eyewitnesses? Do they have a direct line to the news anchors?
24. Why is this incident still making headlines, when school bus crashes in pakistan, earthquakes, floods and other mass murders, barely get a few lines in the mainstream media?
25. If much larger PSy ops like 9/11, 7/7 and sandy hook can be staged, surely, this one should be a stroll? Only the newsreaders are telling us what happened, and they werent there! The 'victim' was a soldier, whats to say he hadn't died in combat, several months prior, and the 'powers that be' used this to their advantage? they wouldn't, would they?advantage? they wouldn't, would they?
~ Jeremy Haydon
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#27. To: Turtle (#25) (Edited)
Thinking that everything is a false flag/conspiracy to anyone skeptical about this and other suspected stagings is an illogical accusation to demean others. What's the number limit on false flag/conspiracy/hoaxings? If you're waiting for a public announcement from operatives, officials and the media when they're involved in such, don't. Edited sentence 1. Insanity is thinking everything is a false flag/conspiracy.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#28. To: Lod (#24) (Edited)
Believe them, please. I don't think we have to believe all statements of retribution alleged to be Al Qaeda's just because the West and Israel are targeting Islamics and occupying their lands. Nor do I think this alleged attack has to be real because of that and other ongoing problems of immigration, religion and race. This article, the second one that I posted at the last paragraph of #23, mentions Anjem Choudary [aka Andy Choudary/screen name Abou Luqman] as an associate of Adebolajo/Suspect #1. Choudary is described there as a hate preacher but has been interviewed as a Muslim spokesperson in the British media and on FOX here in America by Sean Hannity. He's described at Wikipedia as a student and associate of Omar Bakri Muhammad/Fostock who is described there as an Islamist militant leader. Clicking the links for the names of some of his other students indicates the possibility of militant Muslim imposters. Edited to reword sentence 1. I don't understand why the West fails to believe the words of muslims, from OBL to these whackers, when they say that they will continue to attack us as long as we're invading/occupying their countries.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#29. To: Turtle (#25)
Someday perhaps there will be a cure for this kind of dementia. No cure for people wanting to be "special" and privy to "super double top- secret knowledge" that elevates them to internet demi-god status. They can't quit hitting that pipe long enough to see how funny they sound when they try to blow this street crime up into a *False Flag Event!!*. Sometimes niggers gonna be niggers and the irrationality of their Islamic-fueled pea-brain leads to the death of a White Man, again. I've yet to hear one good reason why this crime is a *False Flag Event!!*, just the blatherings of internet commandos who want to be thought of as being "special" in the eyes of us mere mortals. Insanity is thinking everything is a false flag/conspiracy.
-Alex Kurtagic
#30. To: X-15 (#29)
The false flag advertisers in this British matter are risking the alienation of people who would otherwise be open to all forms of future government collusion.
#31. To: Jethro Tull, GreyLmist, titorite, christine, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#30)
That'd be true if it wasn't a false flag, but it was. Obviously. It's actually the common consensus amongst every aware individual or group I've come across online and off except for the few usual official story devotees that get their "facts" from the msm and public school system. Questions about the woolwich attack that need to be answered!
1. Why did the 'killers' crash their car before attacking the guy? were they on drink or drugs? why not just run him over?
2. How did the 'killers' know the guy was a soldier? simply based on the tee shirt he was supposedly wearing?
3. How did they know where he would be walking at that very time? Surely they must have known his movements prior to that moment?
4. If the 'killers' had firearms as well as machetes and knives, why not just shoot him?
5. Since no picture or video shows a beheaded body, and the post mortem says he was basically 'incised to death', then how do we know he was beheaded?
6. Why werent the numerous passers by even remotely scared of these bloodied maniacs that just murdered someone, as they casually strolled by? How did they know they wouldn't be in any danger?
7. The so called 'good samaritans', the women who were said to have 'protected' the beheaded body to prevent it from further attack, including the woman who supposedly got off a bus, just to talk to the bloodied 'killer', telling him that terrorism would never prevail, etc, or another woman who lay down beside the headless bloodless 'corpse', are we supposed to actually believe that?
8. Why did it take the police almost 20 minutes to arrive on scene?
9. Why do some pics appear to show 'police' cutting the 'killers' clothing and adding blood?
10. Why does the forensics tent, supposedly covering the 'headless corpse', show up in 2 different locations, one near the junction of the 2 roads, the other, much further away?
11. If the incident happened around 2.30 pm, why did it only filter through to mainstream media several hours later? (And incessantly ever since)?
12. Why did the PM have to cut his trip to france short, for a murder?
13. Why was the scary sounding COBRA commitee formed? for one murder?
14. Since when is a stabbing, an 'act of terrorism'?
15. Why does one of the 'perps', the one ranting to the camera, have no blood on him whatsoever, except the very odd looking stuff on his hands (depending on which video version of the edited mainstream media you watch)?
16. Why does that very shot show the perp in slightly different positions, as if being filmed by two cameras?
17. Who is the very brave cameraman? why did he stand there a few feet from someone who had just 'cut the head off a passer by'? Why not run off? Or get a shot of the 'victim'?
18. Why is it these 2 'perps' were known to MI5, as always?? Were they trained by MI5? Are they agents, or actors?
19. Where is all the local CCTV? Why is there only the one video, of the very brave passer by, holding 2 cameras, filming the alledged perp, who doesn't even admit to the 'killing', merely hes sorry that 'women had to see this'?
20. Why are some aerial shots altered? Why are some parts, of passers by walking straight past the 'perp', 'cut out'?
21. If armed 'police' , who arrived almost 20 minutes later, shot the 'perps' 8 times, surely, they would have killed them?
22. Why did the 'perps' hang around, waiting for armed police, who would surely kill them? If they were heavily armed martyrs, why not kill themselves?
23. Why do the media bombard us with 'eyewitnesses saw this, unnamed sources saw that', yet all the raw footage is watermarked with a mainstream news outlets symbol? Who are these sources and eyewitnesses? Do they have a direct line to the news anchors?
24. Why is this incident still making headlines, when school bus crashes in pakistan, earthquakes, floods and other mass murders, barely get a few lines in the mainstream media?
25. If much larger PSy ops like 9/11, 7/7 and sandy hook can be staged, surely, this one should be a stroll? Only the newsreaders are telling us what happened, and they werent there! The 'victim' was a soldier, whats to say he hadn't died in combat, several months prior, and the 'powers that be' used this to their advantage? they wouldn't, would they?advantage? they wouldn't, would they?
~ Jeremy Haydon
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#32. To: Turtle (#25)
Someday perhaps there will be a cure for this kind of dementia. There's no cure for your kind of stupid. Insanity is thinking everything is a false flag/conspiracy.
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#33. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, PSUSA2 (#30)
I think that is the intended effect. It appears that these folks are deliberately ranting like loons for the purpose of steering the average person AWAY from any and ALL reports of false flag operations, or any and all discussion of government involvement. The false flag advertisers in this British matter are risking the alienation of people who would otherwise be open to all forms of future government collusion.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#34. To: wudidiz (#31)
They did run him over first.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
#35. To: FormerLurker (#33)
We're just not "aware". We're just MSM zombies with public educations. Or private educations, it doesnt matter. Education is bad. Stupidity and willful ignorance is our lot in life; it is our destiny. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go shave by rubbing my face with gasoline and setting my stubble on fire. It leaves a nice pink glow to my face. Women love it. It's actually the common consensus amongst every aware individual or group I've come across online and off except for the few usual official story devotees that get their "facts" from the msm and public school system. -wud
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#36. To: Lod (#34)
They did run him over first. Correct. But they didn't "just run him over". They crashed their car before attacking the guy. They could have "just run him over". Instead of crashing their car. Questions about the woolwich attack that need to be answered!
1. Why did the 'killers' crash their car before attacking the guy? were they on drink or drugs? why not just run him over?
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers" ~ Thomas Pynchon Gravity's Rainbow
#37. To: Esso (#3)
just re read that and i'm laughing. Also the behavior of the bystanders/pedestrians is quite curious. Supposedly a grizzly murder has just occured, yet there's no pandemonium. Personally, I wouldn't be hanging around talking to, filming and casually strolling by meat ax and chef's knife-weilding spooks on the street unless I knew there was no danger involved.
#38. To: X-15 (#29)
i have to say that i don't believe that anyone, who is questioning the anomalies they see in this incident, has that attitude. i don't think there's any conceit involved here. as i wrote before, i think there are good questions by both sides in this debate. just the blatherings of internet commandos who want to be thought of as being "special" in the eyes of us mere mortals.
#39. To: wudidiz (#31)
Just pulling this question out of your post; unarmed Bobbies did arrive prior to the armed unit(s), which indeed took 20-mins. 8. Why did it take the police almost 20 minutes to arrive on scene?
#40. To: Esso (#3)
There are more than a
few explanations here; you're a triple digit IQ'er, crime is unusual in your
surrounds, you possess an ability to sense danger, you aren't the type to walk
thru crime tape, and finally you're white. Again, I'd like a dollar for every
douche who waddled thru an active crime scene. Also the behavior of the bystanders/pedestrians is quite curious.
Supposedly a grizzly murder has just occured, yet there's no pandemonium.
Personally, I wouldn't be hanging around talking to, filming and casually
strolling by meat ax and chef's knife-weilding spooks on the street unless I
knew there was no danger involved.
#41. To: wudidiz, All (#36) (Edited)
They crashed their car before attacking the guy. They could have "just run him over". Instead of crashing their car. No alleged witness has claimed to have seen the car crash or even seeing how it got on the sidewalk or before then, afaik. This is not super double top-secret knowledge. It is a simple fact that is anomalous, yet ignored by belligerents who refuse to question the official version of this. Also anomalous is that the only film footage of the area at the time has been from alleged witnesses but this 5.5 minute video shows a swiveling street camera in that location at 4:58. Link is set to start at that timestamp: In Woolwich No One Is Saying Anything - Morris Edited for spelling. But they didn't "just run him over".
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