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Title: Air Force sidelines 17 ICBM officers at Minot AFB
Source: minotdailynews.com
URL Source: http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/ ... CBM-officers-at-Minot-AFB.html
Published: May 8, 2013
Author: WASHINGTON (AP)
Post Date: 2013-06-04 17:20:03 by GreyLmist
Keywords: None
Views: 644
Comments: 55

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"We are, in fact, in a crisis right now," the commander, Lt. Col. Jay Folds, wrote in an internal email obtained by The Associated Press and confirmed by the Air Force.

The Air Force publicly called the inspection a "success."

But in April it quietly removed 17 officers at Minot from the highly sensitive duty of standing 24-hour watch over the Air Force's most powerful nuclear missiles, the intercontinental ballistic missiles that can strike targets across the globe. Inside each underground launch control capsule, two officers stand "alert" at all times, ready to launch an ICBM upon presidential order.

The 17 cases mark the Air Force's most extensive sidelining ever of launch crew members, according to Lt. Col. Angie Blair, a spokeswoman for Air Force Global Strike Command, which oversees the missile units as well as nuclear-capable bombers. The wing has 150 officers assigned to missile launch control duty.

The trouble at Minot is the latest in a series of setbacks for the Air Force's nuclear mission, highlighted by a 2008 Pentagon advisory group report that found a "dramatic and unacceptable decline" in the Air Force's commitment to the mission, which has its origins in a Cold War standoff with the former Soviet Union.

In 2008, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates sacked the top civilian and military leaders of the Air Force after a series of blunders, including a bomber's mistaken flight across the country armed with nuclear-tipped missiles. Since then the Air Force has taken numerous steps designed to improve its nuclear performance.

The email obtained by the AP describes a culture of indifference, with at least one intentional violation of missile safety rules and an apparent unwillingness among some to challenge or report those who violate rules.

Although sidelining 17 launch officers at once is unprecedented, the Air Force said stripping officers of their authority to control nuclear missiles happens to "a small number" of officers every year for a variety of reasons.

In addition to the 17, possible disciplinary action is pending against one other officer at Minot who investigators found had purposefully broken a missile safety rule in an unspecified act that could have compromised the secret codes that enable the launching of missiles, which stand on high alert in underground silos in the nation's midsection. Officials said there was no compromise of missile safety or security.

Folds also complained about unwarranted questioning of orders from superior officers by launch crews and failure to address superiors with the proper respect.

The launch simulator is used in testing for inspection because, for obvious reasons, they can't perform an actual missile launch.

Exposure of shortcomings within Vercher's unit recalls an earlier series of stunning mistakes by other elements of the nuclear force, including the August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. One outcome of the incident was the creation of Global Strike Command in January 2009 as a way of improving management of the nuclear enterprise.

Bruce Blair, who served as an Air Force ICBM launch control officer in the 1970s and is now a research scholar at Princeton University, said the Folds email points to a broader problem within the nuclear weapons force.

Blair is co-founder of Global Zero, an international group that advocates the eventual elimination of nuclear weapons.

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#2. To: GreyLmist (#0)

August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

I still find it impossible to take that story at face value.

I have no experience with nukes, or any .mil experience at all. But I do know a few things from reading good sources. For example, no one is left alone with a nuke, ever. Someone is always watching. IOW, they don't play.

Incompetence does not even begin to explain how this happened. It would have to be universal incompetence, and I don't see that happening.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   17:39:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA2 (#2)

August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

I still find it impossible to take that story at face value.

I have no experience with nukes, or any .mil experience at all. But I do know a few things from reading good sources. For example, no one is left alone with a nuke, ever. Someone is always watching. IOW, they don't play.

Incompetence does not even begin to explain how this happened. It would have to be universal incompetence, and I don't see that happening.

Good points. Like the article said: "One outcome of the incident was the creation of Global Strike Command in January 2009 as a way of improving management of the nuclear enterprise." Couldn't be possible that outcome was pre-planned and the incident was the premise to implement it, could it? Nah, that would be like a conspiracy with too many people involved, etc., etc. /s

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-04   19:26:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GreyLmist (#4)

All I know about nukes is that they don't just go grab a few from the bunker and load them up just because they felt like it. They don't play with these weapons. I wish I could remember more about the protocol used, because it would show the complete impossibility of something like this happening because someone had a massive brain fart.

And all I know is that we weren't even given a reasonable explanation on how this could possibly happen. I wouldn't argue if it's claimed there was a conspiracy, simply because no one could ever do this alone.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   19:42:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA2 (#5)

I wish I could remember more about the protocol used, because it would show the complete impossibility of something like this happening

And all I know is that we weren't even given a reasonable explanation on how this could possibly happen. I wouldn't argue if it's claimed there was a conspiracy, simply because no one could ever do this alone.

We haven't been given a reasonable explanation on a lot of things and impossibilites that couldn't happen as said. Questions are practically verboten, especially as to more than a few involved. How much does it matter if the stories are true or not? The world has been run on stories for millenia, regardless of veracity, and that's still how most people seem to insist that it continues -- no resistance to whatever storylines are being scripted next for us by supposed officialdom, even though it's almost without exception something devastating. It's not like we're supposed to solve any of the puzzles or even find missing nukes, yes? The system hasn't changed course from our investigative efforts and findings because it is a system alien to our Founders' intentions. It's like the media's reporting is just meant to be a preview of coming attractions: war, oppressive legislation, "security" or departmental restructuring, more financial and taxation burdens and such. Any suggestions?

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-04   21:21:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#7)

Any suggestions?

If I may offer one?

www.oftwominds.com/blogmay13/EricA-pt2-5-13.html from this thread: freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=154978&Disp=13#C13

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   21:37:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA2, Esso, All (#9) (Edited)

Any suggestions?

If I may offer one?

www.oftwominds.com/blogmay13/EricA-pt2-5-13.html from this thread: freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/re...ArtNum=154978&Disp=13#C13

Article excerpt: "You may not be able to change your nation or the desperate situation we find ourselves in, but each of you can change yourself. You can make your own lifeboat in the midst of our own national challenge or 'collapse.' Only through that individual preparation could we find a million safety nets which prevent collapse."

In short, we can save the system from collapse which is designed work against us by being as self-sufficiently well off as we can be from working alone within it -- nevermind those who can't make safety nets for themselves that way. Maybe you got a different reading from that but it sounds to me like self-centered Ayn Randism, lone wolf/leaderless resistance advocacy that goes nowhere productive fast and so on. Unless you have a different interpretation that I didn't get, I'm gonna have to vote No. Temporarily filing that for now with the New Agey stuff like:

It's the Kali Yuga cycle so resistance is futile for thousands of more years -- humanity should just bear through it the best we can if awake...Astrologers say that planetary rocks and stuff in outer space are in charge of our future...It's all about Karma, even though it looks like that goes in the opposite directions of what it ought to -- people suffering just deserve that from another life or something...Reincarnation will give us all more chances in some other lifetime to improve conditions here, as long as we do wrongly enough in this life to be sent back again...Mayans, Hopis, ancient Egyptians and Hebrews, extraterrestrials, etc. -- what happens to this world is predetermined in those legends and belief systems and New Agey-type agendas so forget about material needs and poverty-stricken masses oppressed by tyrants and be as comfortable in deprivation and dictatorialism as possible day to day.

Junk...all dysfunctional trappings that makes things worse insead of better, imo. Any other suggestions?

Edited for grammar and punctuation.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-05   16:18:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#11)

nevermind those who can't make safety nets for themselves that way.

Those with abilities can, and everyone has abilities. Those that can't won't will probably die. Or a person can do everything right and still end up dead. Everyone dies sometime. No point in being afraid of it, but too many want to live forever because they have that fear of death. The race survives.

If you want to carry the weight of the world on your shoulder, then carry on. I;ve just found that it's better for the blood pressure to take care of me and the people I choose to take care of, and not worry about others too much.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-05   16:48:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA2 (#12) (Edited)

I might have been a little harsh on the Hopis. That being said, nodody should have to die or suffer because of an economic system that is worse than useless for us. Forming an economic club with its own payment system should be among the easiest things to do for helping ourselves and others who want to participate. If all it could do at first is provide some services and products that are unaffordable to many who've been denied what's needed by the fiat/debt- based/corporate/Federale system, that would still be an improvement. If you're a male of Militia age, for instance, you could accrue payment in club currency just for being on-call for guard duties/neighborhood watch patrol unless you wanted to be exempted for some reason.

Edited sentence 3 for grammar.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-05   21:28:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GreyLmist (#13)

That being said, nodody should have to die or suffer because of an economic system that is worse than useless for us.

We have it easy here. Imagine being in the old USSR. Things are improving but they still don't have it easy.

"Forming an economic club with its own payment system should be among the easiest things to do for helping ourselves and others who want to participate. "

I agree with you, except for it being "easy". Things aren't bad enough yet for that to happen. Too many are either invested in the current system, or they are parasites feeding on that system. It's not in their best interests to throw that away.

And in this culture, who knows their neighbors? I see that as a big factor in this.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-06   7:37:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA2 (#16) (Edited)

in this culture, who knows their neighbors? I see that as a big factor in this.

That's a hurdle but clubs can build a sense of community through recreational gatherings even when members are not all from the same neighborhood. Edit to add: Much work could get done by family and friends who already know each other. Edit to add too: Some transactions would simply be like going to a hardware or department store -- to get paint, for example, that had been contributed at a storage facility by a verifiable club member.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   16:59:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GreyLmist (#18)

I agree with a lot of what you say.

But what's lacking is motivation. I just dont see this happening until things get much worse. But this is one area that I'd love to be wrong about.

I dont know that easing them into another system would work. It would be too easy for the government to penalize (or merely threaten to penalize) those still in the "official" system, if they had their hands in a system that works apart from the government. I try and look at this as how the .gov might react too.

If each town could gather their long term unemployed / those that have given up even looking for a job, and present a plan, maybe it'd work. But a concrete plan is needed to present to them.

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-06   18:26:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: PSUSA2 (#20) (Edited)

I think the best time to get people acquainted with an alternate economic system is before they're in panic mode from conditions worsening. Seems to me that the guvs couldn't easily move against a private club of volunteers. Even interference with interstate voluntary-participation would jeopardize their own interests on the public relations front. That could cause more defections from the current system and the Federales would appear like deranged ogres for trying to insist that people suffer deprivation needlessly to monopolize the economic/financial system that is causing their deprivation and suffering as it is. I don't have a complete plan in presentation form but would like there to be a Constitution-aligned economic club -- maybe even a multi-club membership option to include various regional, national and international alt-economy groups. Others who do have more plan detailing and working systems (like Fourth Corner Exchange) could be used informatively as prototypes at parties and community gatherings to introduce more Americans to the concepts and what's already available for help now:

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Edited to add a word at the next to last sentence.

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