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Title: Air Force sidelines 17 ICBM officers at Minot AFB
Source: minotdailynews.com
URL Source: http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/ ... CBM-officers-at-Minot-AFB.html
Published: May 8, 2013
Author: WASHINGTON (AP)
Post Date: 2013-06-04 17:20:03 by GreyLmist
Keywords: None
Views: 651
Comments: 55

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"We are, in fact, in a crisis right now," the commander, Lt. Col. Jay Folds, wrote in an internal email obtained by The Associated Press and confirmed by the Air Force.

The Air Force publicly called the inspection a "success."

But in April it quietly removed 17 officers at Minot from the highly sensitive duty of standing 24-hour watch over the Air Force's most powerful nuclear missiles, the intercontinental ballistic missiles that can strike targets across the globe. Inside each underground launch control capsule, two officers stand "alert" at all times, ready to launch an ICBM upon presidential order.

The 17 cases mark the Air Force's most extensive sidelining ever of launch crew members, according to Lt. Col. Angie Blair, a spokeswoman for Air Force Global Strike Command, which oversees the missile units as well as nuclear-capable bombers. The wing has 150 officers assigned to missile launch control duty.

The trouble at Minot is the latest in a series of setbacks for the Air Force's nuclear mission, highlighted by a 2008 Pentagon advisory group report that found a "dramatic and unacceptable decline" in the Air Force's commitment to the mission, which has its origins in a Cold War standoff with the former Soviet Union.

In 2008, then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates sacked the top civilian and military leaders of the Air Force after a series of blunders, including a bomber's mistaken flight across the country armed with nuclear-tipped missiles. Since then the Air Force has taken numerous steps designed to improve its nuclear performance.

The email obtained by the AP describes a culture of indifference, with at least one intentional violation of missile safety rules and an apparent unwillingness among some to challenge or report those who violate rules.

Although sidelining 17 launch officers at once is unprecedented, the Air Force said stripping officers of their authority to control nuclear missiles happens to "a small number" of officers every year for a variety of reasons.

In addition to the 17, possible disciplinary action is pending against one other officer at Minot who investigators found had purposefully broken a missile safety rule in an unspecified act that could have compromised the secret codes that enable the launching of missiles, which stand on high alert in underground silos in the nation's midsection. Officials said there was no compromise of missile safety or security.

Folds also complained about unwarranted questioning of orders from superior officers by launch crews and failure to address superiors with the proper respect.

The launch simulator is used in testing for inspection because, for obvious reasons, they can't perform an actual missile launch.

Exposure of shortcomings within Vercher's unit recalls an earlier series of stunning mistakes by other elements of the nuclear force, including the August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles. One outcome of the incident was the creation of Global Strike Command in January 2009 as a way of improving management of the nuclear enterprise.

Bruce Blair, who served as an Air Force ICBM launch control officer in the 1970s and is now a research scholar at Princeton University, said the Folds email points to a broader problem within the nuclear weapons force.

Blair is co-founder of Global Zero, an international group that advocates the eventual elimination of nuclear weapons.

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#1. To: GreyLmist (#0)

The officers with button pushing duties weren't robotic enough. They need unquestioning robot people to push "those buttons" .

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titorite  posted on  2013-06-04   17:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: GreyLmist (#0)

August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

I still find it impossible to take that story at face value.

I have no experience with nukes, or any .mil experience at all. But I do know a few things from reading good sources. For example, no one is left alone with a nuke, ever. Someone is always watching. IOW, they don't play.

Incompetence does not even begin to explain how this happened. It would have to be universal incompetence, and I don't see that happening.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   17:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: titorite (#1) (Edited)

The officers with button pushing duties weren't robotic enough. They need unquestioning robot people to push "those buttons" .

"For God's sake can't we Privatize the whole thing? I'm sure some lean and hungry Chinese company can do the job for HALF what the Air Force costs!" -- Sarcastic(?) comment at the guardian.co.uk source on this matter.

Might be something like that stirring in the background, I don't know but this is another comment there that was intriguing:

"here's a little anecdote from my Marine Corps days:

I was at the pass & ID office at the main gate of MCAS New River when a few vans full of Airmen came in to get passes for their rental vehicles.

They were all wearing utility (camo) uniforms, but their rank insignia was all over the place. Some were wearing stripes sewn onto their sleeves, some sewn on their collars and some were wearing patches on the flap of their left breast pockets.

I just had to ask, 'Hey guys, what the heck?' They told me that the regs were being rewritten so at the time they were allowed to put their rank insignia pretty much wherever they wanted.

Being a Marine I was flabbergasted, quite literally speechless. Isn't a uniform supposed to be, you know...uniform?

But that's the Air Force for ya. Like Delta Airlines...but with guns."

That last statement might be colored by rivalry between branches of service but the rest is concerning, if accurate.

Edited 1st paragraph + spelling and punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-04   19:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA2 (#2)

August 2007 incident in which an Air Force B-52 bomber flew from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., without the crew realizing it was armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.

I still find it impossible to take that story at face value.

I have no experience with nukes, or any .mil experience at all. But I do know a few things from reading good sources. For example, no one is left alone with a nuke, ever. Someone is always watching. IOW, they don't play.

Incompetence does not even begin to explain how this happened. It would have to be universal incompetence, and I don't see that happening.

Good points. Like the article said: "One outcome of the incident was the creation of Global Strike Command in January 2009 as a way of improving management of the nuclear enterprise." Couldn't be possible that outcome was pre-planned and the incident was the premise to implement it, could it? Nah, that would be like a conspiracy with too many people involved, etc., etc. /s

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-04   19:26:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GreyLmist (#4)

All I know about nukes is that they don't just go grab a few from the bunker and load them up just because they felt like it. They don't play with these weapons. I wish I could remember more about the protocol used, because it would show the complete impossibility of something like this happening because someone had a massive brain fart.

And all I know is that we weren't even given a reasonable explanation on how this could possibly happen. I wouldn't argue if it's claimed there was a conspiracy, simply because no one could ever do this alone.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   19:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PSUSA2 (#5) (Edited)

I wish I could remember more about the protocol used, because it would show the complete impossibility of something like this happening because someone had a massive brain fart.

Right again.

IIRC a nuke weapons officer must be present to release the weapons to the loading ground crew with fully traceable paperwork. (ground crewmen don't walk around with nuke locker keys in their pockets to prevent any from going into business for themselves) The same goes when the nukes are loaded and the pilot signs to accept delivery-and the awesome responsibility for the nukes on the plane.

The real stink including the untimely deaths of several ground crewmen who could have poked holes in the fairie tale they sold the public is, they loaded X missiles and delivered X minus 1. True to form the carefully selected stooges may have been told that The Acme Import Company, patriots all, needed the missile and any further explanation is above their pay grade. I dare say that most servicemen would not question it until conflicting news stories turn up and out-of-the-loop investigators show up flashing badges and looking to arrest and scapegoat some non commissioned (like former grunt Lee aka "Miracle Mannlicher Carcano" Oswald) link in the chain.

We had long posts and chats about how such a missile could mysteriously vaporize from the inventory. The popular belief was that it would be used on us and blamed on them ol' Ay-Rabs. The average schmoe doesn't have the skills to trace fissile material by its unique signature. And most all concluded that Bush-Cheney were capable of anything to get their treasury raiding, oil controlling hot war into high gear.

That need having been satisfied, I predict that a disgruntled AR15 owner will set off a dirty bomb in The US...

America is the only nation where a nuke can be accidentally loaded, overlooked during the flight then disappear, and the only country where highly skilled lab techs can open a dangerous bio freezer locker, remove and then culture a deadly flu strain without noticing the gaudy danger labels and the howling Klaxons and red flashing lights. It's never been explained how these safety measures could be inadvertently defeated. How can these things happen despite the most intensive redundancy men can create?

In short, they lie to us. And we are now a banana republican dictatorship.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-04   20:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA2 (#5)

I wish I could remember more about the protocol used, because it would show the complete impossibility of something like this happening

And all I know is that we weren't even given a reasonable explanation on how this could possibly happen. I wouldn't argue if it's claimed there was a conspiracy, simply because no one could ever do this alone.

We haven't been given a reasonable explanation on a lot of things and impossibilites that couldn't happen as said. Questions are practically verboten, especially as to more than a few involved. How much does it matter if the stories are true or not? The world has been run on stories for millenia, regardless of veracity, and that's still how most people seem to insist that it continues -- no resistance to whatever storylines are being scripted next for us by supposed officialdom, even though it's almost without exception something devastating. It's not like we're supposed to solve any of the puzzles or even find missing nukes, yes? The system hasn't changed course from our investigative efforts and findings because it is a system alien to our Founders' intentions. It's like the media's reporting is just meant to be a preview of coming attractions: war, oppressive legislation, "security" or departmental restructuring, more financial and taxation burdens and such. Any suggestions?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-04   21:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: HOUNDDAWG, turtle (#6) (Edited)

In short, they lie to us.

What's scary is that their lies are ignored. I bet not even 1% of the population knows about this extremely important incident. And fewer still give a damn.

But in their defense, it's hard to keep up with all the lies. I forgot about it. And I can see why some get so cynical that every disaster is a false flag.

ETA sorry turtle. I removed a comment that referenced you.

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PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   21:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GreyLmist (#7)

Any suggestions?

If I may offer one?

www.oftwominds.com/blogmay13/EricA-pt2-5-13.html from this thread: freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...ArtNum=154978&Disp=13#C13

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-04   21:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#6)

How can these things happen despite the most intensive redundancy men can create?

In short, they lie to us. And we are now a banana republican dictatorship.

We should stop depending on their corporate/business flunkies to provide our jobs and whatever else we need. They don't really want to do that anyway. They'd rather provide for illegals because it saves them money. We should form our own economic club and alternate currency system -- payment accrued to us for doing work that needs done, not limited by who can afford to pay for the work to get done or not. That might lessen some of the damage the "control grid" causes and their expenses they've been billing to us.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-04   21:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA2, Esso, All (#9) (Edited)

Any suggestions?

If I may offer one?

www.oftwominds.com/blogmay13/EricA-pt2-5-13.html from this thread: freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/re...ArtNum=154978&Disp=13#C13

Article excerpt: "You may not be able to change your nation or the desperate situation we find ourselves in, but each of you can change yourself. You can make your own lifeboat in the midst of our own national challenge or 'collapse.' Only through that individual preparation could we find a million safety nets which prevent collapse."

In short, we can save the system from collapse which is designed work against us by being as self-sufficiently well off as we can be from working alone within it -- nevermind those who can't make safety nets for themselves that way. Maybe you got a different reading from that but it sounds to me like self-centered Ayn Randism, lone wolf/leaderless resistance advocacy that goes nowhere productive fast and so on. Unless you have a different interpretation that I didn't get, I'm gonna have to vote No. Temporarily filing that for now with the New Agey stuff like:

It's the Kali Yuga cycle so resistance is futile for thousands of more years -- humanity should just bear through it the best we can if awake...Astrologers say that planetary rocks and stuff in outer space are in charge of our future...It's all about Karma, even though it looks like that goes in the opposite directions of what it ought to -- people suffering just deserve that from another life or something...Reincarnation will give us all more chances in some other lifetime to improve conditions here, as long as we do wrongly enough in this life to be sent back again...Mayans, Hopis, ancient Egyptians and Hebrews, extraterrestrials, etc. -- what happens to this world is predetermined in those legends and belief systems and New Agey-type agendas so forget about material needs and poverty-stricken masses oppressed by tyrants and be as comfortable in deprivation and dictatorialism as possible day to day.

Junk...all dysfunctional trappings that makes things worse insead of better, imo. Any other suggestions?

Edited for grammar and punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-05   16:18:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GreyLmist (#11)

nevermind those who can't make safety nets for themselves that way.

Those with abilities can, and everyone has abilities. Those that can't won't will probably die. Or a person can do everything right and still end up dead. Everyone dies sometime. No point in being afraid of it, but too many want to live forever because they have that fear of death. The race survives.

If you want to carry the weight of the world on your shoulder, then carry on. I;ve just found that it's better for the blood pressure to take care of me and the people I choose to take care of, and not worry about others too much.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-05   16:48:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PSUSA2 (#12) (Edited)

I might have been a little harsh on the Hopis. That being said, nodody should have to die or suffer because of an economic system that is worse than useless for us. Forming an economic club with its own payment system should be among the easiest things to do for helping ourselves and others who want to participate. If all it could do at first is provide some services and products that are unaffordable to many who've been denied what's needed by the fiat/debt- based/corporate/Federale system, that would still be an improvement. If you're a male of Militia age, for instance, you could accrue payment in club currency just for being on-call for guard duties/neighborhood watch patrol unless you wanted to be exempted for some reason.

Edited sentence 3 for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-05   21:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: HOUNDDAWG (#6)

The average schmoe doesn't have the skills to trace fissile material by its unique signature.

Wouldn't the government be able to trace that if it really wanted to find a n-weapon reported as missing?

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-05   22:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GreyLmist (#14)

Wouldn't the government be able to trace that if it really wanted to find a n-weapon reported as missing?

Of course.

But, if Dirty Dick Cheney had engineered the dirty bomb detonation (in the US) and blamed some yet unnamed Arab "terrorist sponsor state", the govt would be in no hurry to identify then admit that it was bomb material manufactured at The Savannah River Breeder Reactor then assigned to the US AIR FORCE as a nuclear device.

So, we'd be kept in the dark completely, with the media never mentioning that fissiles have unique signatures. Those eggheads and physicists who would know would not be inclined to call press conferences. They know all too well what happens to anyone who swims against the tide, as do you and I.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-06   1:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: GreyLmist (#13)

That being said, nodody should have to die or suffer because of an economic system that is worse than useless for us.

We have it easy here. Imagine being in the old USSR. Things are improving but they still don't have it easy.

"Forming an economic club with its own payment system should be among the easiest things to do for helping ourselves and others who want to participate. "

I agree with you, except for it being "easy". Things aren't bad enough yet for that to happen. Too many are either invested in the current system, or they are parasites feeding on that system. It's not in their best interests to throw that away.

And in this culture, who knows their neighbors? I see that as a big factor in this.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-06   7:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PSUSA2 (#16)

Too many are either invested in the current system, or they are parasites feeding on that system. It's not in their best interests to throw that away.

An economic club could be used supplemetally for those who want to also stay invested with the current system but can't afford all their needs that way -- repairs, painting, lawn and snow services, area clean ups, house and office cleaning, help with food canning, tutoring and assistance with home schooling, transportation for people without cars or bus services, babysitting, elderly assistance for home chores like laundry, cooking, and dishwashing, even room rentals for people who are trying to get situated financially but can't afford an apartment or home of their own yet. There are many things that could be done in an alternate system of self-employment with direct payment accrued for contributed labor/services/products (not limited to what a job provider could afford to pay or not) that would elevate the quality of life in our society through club volunteers whose time and efforts are considered valuable for transactions and exchanges without people having to choose between one economic option or the other only.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   16:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA2 (#16) (Edited)

in this culture, who knows their neighbors? I see that as a big factor in this.

That's a hurdle but clubs can build a sense of community through recreational gatherings even when members are not all from the same neighborhood. Edit to add: Much work could get done by family and friends who already know each other. Edit to add too: Some transactions would simply be like going to a hardware or department store -- to get paint, for example, that had been contributed at a storage facility by a verifiable club member.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   16:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15) (Edited)

I read something years ago about a radiation hotspot detected someplace. Seems that a missing n-weapon could possibly be found that way before it was used, if gov-officials really wanted to find it -- at least if it hadn't been quickly hidden or was in-transit.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   17:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: GreyLmist (#18)

I agree with a lot of what you say.

But what's lacking is motivation. I just dont see this happening until things get much worse. But this is one area that I'd love to be wrong about.

I dont know that easing them into another system would work. It would be too easy for the government to penalize (or merely threaten to penalize) those still in the "official" system, if they had their hands in a system that works apart from the government. I try and look at this as how the .gov might react too.

If each town could gather their long term unemployed / those that have given up even looking for a job, and present a plan, maybe it'd work. But a concrete plan is needed to present to them.

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Why should we worship in God what we detest in man? -Robert Ingersoll

PSUSA2  posted on  2013-06-06   18:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA2 (#20) (Edited)

I think the best time to get people acquainted with an alternate economic system is before they're in panic mode from conditions worsening. Seems to me that the guvs couldn't easily move against a private club of volunteers. Even interference with interstate voluntary-participation would jeopardize their own interests on the public relations front. That could cause more defections from the current system and the Federales would appear like deranged ogres for trying to insist that people suffer deprivation needlessly to monopolize the economic/financial system that is causing their deprivation and suffering as it is. I don't have a complete plan in presentation form but would like there to be a Constitution-aligned economic club -- maybe even a multi-club membership option to include various regional, national and international alt-economy groups. Others who do have more plan detailing and working systems (like Fourth Corner Exchange) could be used informatively as prototypes at parties and community gatherings to introduce more Americans to the concepts and what's already available for help now:

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Edited to add a word at the next to last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   20:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#21)

Fourth Corner Exchange video ping to All.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-06   20:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: GreyLmist (#19)

I read something years ago about a radiation hotspot detected someplace. Seems that a missing n-weapon could possibly be found that way before it was used, if gov-officials really wanted to find it -- at least if it hadn't been quickly hidden or was in-transit.

In the John Travolta-Christian Slater film, BROKEN ARROW Travolta arranges the theft of one of his air force nukes to shakedown FEDGOV for a few bazillion bux.

In the film, he planned to hide the nuke in proximity to some hospital radiology department so that the weapon couldn't be spotted by satellites.

That technology seemed plausible in the film rather than artistic license to fatten the drama.

But, I cannot state with any certainty that it's possible to see a "glowing nuke" from space.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-06   20:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#23)

In the John Travolta-Christian Slater film, BROKEN ARROW Travolta arranges the theft of one of his air force nukes to shakedown FEDGOV for a few bazillion bux.

In the film, he planned to hide the nuke in proximity to some hospital radiology department so that the weapon couldn't be spotted by satellites.

That technology seemed plausible in the film rather than artistic license to fatten the drama.

But, I cannot state with any certainty that it's possible to see a "glowing nuke" from space.

I think that's a movie that might have been on where I was but I was busy working or going somewhere so don't know much about it except that Travolta was the villain. Sure don't remember that about a hospital radiology department as camouflaging. Sounds devious but seems it could have been spotted before then or why try to hide it there? Like you, I don't know for certain that it could be seen from space but a song by Rod Stewart that I like has the same title as that film. I don't think it's part of the movie-soundtrack, though, afaik.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-07   7:42:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)

I think that's a movie that might have been on where I was but I was busy working or going somewhere so don't know much about it except that Travolta was the villain. Sure don't remember that about a hospital radiology department as camouflaging. Sounds devious but seems it could have been spotted before then or why try to hide it there? Like you, I don't know for certain that it could be seen from space but a song by Rod Stewart that I like has the same title as that film. I don't think it's part of the movie-soundtrack, though, afaik.

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After reading up on the film I recall that bad guy Travolta left a badge ID or sumthin from a nearby hospital as a false clue so Slater or others would think he was stashing the warheads at a hospital radiology ward.

He wasn't worried about the govt tracking the missiles after he threatened to detonate them in a populated area if he didn't receive the munny he demanded.

In any case that plot device was a minor one and no hospital was seen or used in the film. But, it was based on the idea that the nukes could be tracked by satellite. In fact, it doesn't really add up when I think about it. There was no attempt to track the nukes in real time by the govt's NEST TEAM. According to this link the equipment needed is ground based, not orbiting in space.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-07   14:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: HOUNDDAWG (#25)

Seems improbable that all tracking measures failed to prevent "misplacement" or to find the missing Minot-Barksdale n-inventory. The Wikipedia source indicates that the NEST TEAM has been in the Boston area since the Marathon, probably as part of the crisis-actions/monitoring counter-manuevers.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-09   15:04:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GreyLmist (#26) (Edited)

Seems improbable that all tracking measures failed to prevent "misplacement" or to find the missing Minot-Barksdale in-inventory. The Wikipedia source indicates that the NEST TEAM has been in the Boston area since the Marathon, probably as part of the crisis-actions/monitoring counter-manuevers.

(I)mprobable indeed, considering the frightfully expensive and technologically fail-secure methods developed to prevent unauthorized diversion, detonation and/or crude and dirty contamination of such powerful bomb cores, worth millions on the black market where oil bux are piled as high as the moon in "terrorist sponsor states' piggy banks" for just such opportunities..

The PNAC Coven is likely so concerned about a spontaneous backlash from so many flag draped shipping containers offloaded at The Dover AFB "high speed with dignity" drain, salute and drop 'em mortuary, that the Clandestine Sanhedrin want to preempt-slam dunk all criticism, thereby moving it into the "none dare speak its name" zone where suspicious people dare not tread. (It is to their credit and honor that the Old Guard inter all eligible vets with equal respect and ritual dignity.

And, what better way than attributing an unthinkable dirty bomb (or even a righteous skyburst detonation) over some mid-Western city where lots of Christian men, women and newborns in their very first postage stamp-sized Pampers could be vaporized? Of course the numbers of non-Christians allegedly killed can be salted with non existent victims where all avenues to verify those deaths can be closed to indies and skeptical investigators, that is, those who aren't in the employ of responsible North American news outlets. (Rothbards, Aspers, Bronfmans, etc.,. )

And, just as with Ground Zero (and completely unlike OKC-The Murrah Building) the verifiable deaths of religion-race victims would include a few state bureau of taxation employees, perhaps non observant, low level employees with no powerful connections or strategic worth to speak of.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-12   8:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#27)

the Clandestine Sanhedrin want to preempt-slam dunk all criticism, thereby moving it into the "none dare speak its name" zone where suspicious people dare not tread.

Hark. Who goes there?

"To avoid all criticism, say nothing, do nothing, be nothing." -- echo from Aristotle or somebody

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-18   1:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: GreyLmist (#28)

the Clandestine Sanhedrin want to preempt-slam dunk all criticism, thereby moving it into the "none dare speak its name" zone where suspicious people dare not tread.

Hark. Who goes there?

Because we're often forewarned of future disasters in TV and film dramas, two things come to mind.

In the Demi Moore vehicle FLAWLESS, a film where she is the single woman accounts manager for the London Diamond Exchange, the insurance underwriter attempts to elude liability for a massive robbery by claiming that the LDE president's son once attended a Marxist-Leninist Rally as a college student 20 years before. A youthful indiscretion/judgement error was to serve as an excuse for denying the insurance claim worth millions of £ Sterling.

And now we learn that the snoop fraternity is building a super computer database in Utah large enough to save everything we write forever.

If that or any other agency compiles carefully selected posts to paint (actually to color) a picture of a future Oswald, Sirhan or or Arab hijacker, the trial by media can be concluded in a matter of hours.

No my friends, "our govt" is now in open rebellion against the chains forged by the constitution's authors. All I can suggest is for citizens to simply abolish reelection. Because govt won't even hear of a bill to that effect we must do it ourselves and never again vote for the same candidate twice.

Of course we'll be bombarded with hang wringing pleas from corporate media, explaining why we can only lose by turning out seasoned cloak room wheeler dealer vets. But, could America possibly be any worse if freshmen aren't there long enough to be bought, blackmailed or buggered with wheelbarrows of cash and underage quail?

And, if citizen legislators who still cling to a naive belief in the constitution are sworn every two years, I just can't see a downside to that. There just isn't enough slush fund cash to buy every new rep.

And, imagine the govt scribes in the MSM trying to explain why no one is reelected without revealing America's worst kept secret.

Hey, I can dream, Can't I?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-19   22:05:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29) (Edited)

One-term limits would be an improvement in the situation but the people using our elections to wreck America's Constitutional Republic likely would not vote accordingly for that. People who refuse to adapt to our system of government, which is the Constitution, and refuse to abide by it are like alien demolition crews who should have no vote in our elections. I nominate Ron Paul to be our President, Tom Woods for a seat on the Supreme Court...

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-21   3:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: GreyLmist (#30)

One-term limits would be an improvement in the situation but the people using our elections to wreck America's Constitutional Republic likely would not vote accordingly for that. People who refuse to adapt to our system of government, which is the Constitution, and refuse to abide by it are like alien demolition crews who should have no vote in our elections. I nominate Ron Paul to be our President, Tom Woods for a seat on the Supreme Court...

Edited for punctuation.

You Sir, are a principled Constitutionalist of impeccable character.

Go easy on that stuff. there are teams of roving killers on retainer now. (See the film, ENEMY OF THE STATE)

If people start to listen to you it could sound the bell for predatory military cutouts, and they may circle you like a wolf pack on a weakened, winter-starved elk.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-22   2:20:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)

Your generous evaluation and thoughtful advice are much appreciated. Am a gal, btw. I hadn't seen the film, Enemy of the State, but did some interesting research on it since your post and watched it yesterday.

The Mormon-Utah linked name of Pratt for one of the NSA-associated characters seemed quite a coincidence for a movie made so many years ago, considering the new NSA facility that was constructed in Bluffdale, Utah and is scheduled to open there in September. [npr.org reference] At $1.2 billion, that data center is way overpriced, imo, because Snowden is reported to have copied almost everything the NSA has onto his thumbdrives and 4 laptop computers; which probably only amounts to a few thousand dollars for equipment and storage, not over a billion. [businessinsider.com reference] But, that's a different issue.

Another thing that I thought was notable about the Enemy of the State film was this 9/11 Date of Birth link to the NSA-rogue villain, played by Jon Voight; within approximately 3 years of 9/11/01: 9/11 Reference in Enemy of the State (1998) [Watch at YouTube. No embed code available.]

Wikipedia references:

Enemy of the State (film)

[Gene] Hackman had previously acted in a similar thriller about spying and surveillance film, The Conversation (1974). According to film critic Kim Newman, Enemy of the State could be construed as a "continuation of The Conversation." ... The Guardian's John Patterson opined that Hollywood depictions of NSA surveillance, including Enemy of the State and Echelon Conspiracy, had "softened" up the American public to "the notion that our spending habits, our location, our every movement and conversation, are visible to others whose motives we cannot know."

The Echelon Conspiracy has a connection to a Star Trek TV-series episode called The Ultimate Computer. Anyway, it's been a fascinating study -- especially that intriguing 9/11 detail.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-27   1:35:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#31)

P.S. A little over 1/2 hour into the movie, there were some things I had to look up. FinCEN: Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. EPIC: Electronic Privacy Information Center. I could not find out what DRD meant. Don't know either what was meant by "Humpty Dumpties".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-06-27   4:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GreyLmist, farmfriend (#33)

Good posts all, Ma'am.

My research indicates that "DRD" is possibly "Date rape Drug" and "Humpty Dumpties" are politicians and possibly foreign and domestic leaders and despots who are erected for various purposes only to fall and be irretrievably broken, such as LA Sen. Huey Long, Richard Nixon and foreign hummus or plantain munching banana republicans the company has propped up only to be burned in effigy by their people and/or deposed or killed by their creators. (Fulgencio Batista, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Anastasio Somoza, Manuel Noriega, Augusto Pinochet)

Speaking about my nightmares, Pinochet's justice for leftists involved strapping them to sections of rail track and then flipping them out of choppers into the sea. People like that make me want to hand out equally heinous law and order to psychos of that stripe. Although a person of good conscience, I could picture myself risking the guilt if I had the chance to give them a dose of their own meds.

Also, for some reason I have trouble remembering which friendlies are women unless of course they have screen names like "Bo Peep Patriot" or, "Dedicated, Nurturing Caregiver & Better Half".

farmfriend is the exception because I got to know her a bit after inquiring about her name and political interests.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-06-27   17:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: All (#33) (Edited)

A little over 1/2 hour into the movie, there were some things I had to look up. FinCEN: Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. EPIC: Electronic Privacy Information Center. I could not find out what DRD meant. Don't know either what was meant by "Humpty Dumpties".

"Enemy of the State" (1998) Script:

0:17:10 We need two techs with full electronic capabilities -- two humpty-dumpties. Get Fiedler to organize it, and call Kramer to get us some ex-military cutouts.

0:32:10-0:32:15 Fiedler, we need a complete FinCEN, EPlC and a DRD work-up on a Robert Clayton Dean.

Noting too:

0:23:44 keyhole visual tasking | 0:32:13 keyhole data files | 0:58:25 keyhole coordinates | 1:09:52 Task keyhole that coordinate. LAT, 39 degrees, 27 minutes.

1:31:57 DOB [Date of Birth]: 9.11.40.

Edited link path for Script searchability.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-12   13:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34)

Thanks, HD. I listed the context of the spook slang at #35. Your research posting was quite film noir-esque, though. Also, if you ever need a profile reminder about me, just click on my screen name link to check my 4um Home Page site. It's very short -- just two words: Constitutionalist Female.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-12   15:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: GreyLmist (#36)

Yeah, after a bit of searching I found this:

What does DRD stand for?

Decision Resource Database

This definition appears very rarely and is found in the following Acronym Finder categories:

Military and Government

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The more I browse the more depressed I get....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-07-12   21:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GreyLmist (#36)

And roger on your home page summary, Constitutionalist Female.

Just think, if more wimmen get involved we may end up using less than lethal weapons someday. Instead of killing adversaries with nukes we may just drop bombs that make them feel real bad for a while. Image Hosted by
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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2013-07-12   21:14:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GreyLmist (#7)

Any suggestions?

Strike! Loudly! Refuse to participate. Sign up for benefits if you want to, suck them dry. Do not submit! I'm not joking.

“Anti-semitism is a disease–you catch it from Jews”–Edgar J. Steele

“The jew cries out in pain, as he strikes you.”–Polish proverb

“I would like to express my heartfelt apologies for the unfortunate and tasteless quotes I published in my tag lines. I am very sorry and ashamed. I never wanted to offend anyone, or to encroach human rights."- Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm  posted on  2013-07-12   23:03:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#37)

after a bit of searching I found this:

What does DRD stand for?

Decision Resource Database

This definition appears very rarely and is found in the following Acronym Finder categories:

Military and Government

Good find, HD. I looked through the DRD list at the bottom of that page and thought this was funny when I saw it: Department of Redundancy Department. When it occurred to me that it sounded descriptive of Washington D.C. guvs in-general, then it stopped being funny. : [

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-13   0:20:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#38)

Just think, if more wimmen get involved we may end up using less than lethal weapons someday. Instead of killing adversaries with nukes we may just drop bombs that make them feel real bad for a while.

Sounds like slightly torturous PsyOps but we might not have to drop anything other than leaflets for that to work. Undoubtedly, your less than lethal strategy would be more humanitarian and environmentally friendly than n-war. Just think, though, the more Constitutionalist men and women who get involved, the less adversaries America might have except of the Commie/Neocon sort here. I'm thinking we could maybe just deport them to that international airport in Russia where Snowden was at, if they move to subvert our Constitution like it's merely something "optional". Then they could apply for asylum in countries other than America from there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-07-13   2:08:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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