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Title: Rand Paul, Unions, Badly Mistaken
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Published: Jun 20, 2013
Author: Cynicom
Post Date: 2013-06-20 17:38:23 by Lod
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Comments: 25

On internet, Rand runs a forum that is virulent anti BIG LABOR...They are the cause of all of our problems in this country. Big labor is to blame for the endless wars, the huge national debt and the yearly budget deficit.

In his diatribe he neglects to mention that unions now represent less than ten per cent of American workers. Further, passes over the fact that most of the vile BIG LABOR UNIONS have nothing to do with LABOR.

Unions are now mostly government workers of all stripes and professional associations, such as teachers, college professors etc etc.

In my days as a child Lod, men were shot and killed because they wanted fair pay for their sweat and strong backs. Nobody was arrested, no one went to jail. The day unions are outlawed will be the day we all accept the yoke and chains. One has only to read about what happened in Russia a hundred years ago.

We all despise unions, but it is not for me or the government to deny a LABORING MAN TO HAVE A VOICE.

Walmart is the biggest human abuser on record. Six members of the Walton family have more wealth than the bottom 33 per cent of Americans in aggregate. They despise unions and use the government and taxpayers to subsidize their gathering of wealth. Their workers are so poor that the rest of us have to pay their medical bills, subsidize their housing, on and on.

Having been born, raised, and lived in the laboring lower class all my life, I have little truck with politicians that set their own pay, their own benefits and retirement, pound the podium, and rail about the union worker that have destroyed America.


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#2. To: Lod, Cyni peek a boo (#0)

Many young men and women that are trying to raise families today enter the war industry because so many jobs have been sent overseas.

noone222  posted on  2013-06-20   18:54:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

because so many jobs have been sent overseas.

Because unions demanded such unreasonable contracts. Labor unions priced out American workers.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-06-20   19:35:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2, noone222, Cynicom, all (#3)

because so many jobs have been sent overseas.

Because unions demanded such unreasonable contracts. Labor unions priced out American workers.

Actually, that is not necessarily so. Japan competed, and in some areas outcompeted, head to head, with protected American corporations and ate their lunch despite higher costs in shipping to market. Japan also has a higher average wage than the U.S..

While I am not a big defender of Big Labor since they have followed, at the managerial level, policies and supported actions that were contrary to the welfare of the nation and their workers - witness support of the Shamnesty bill which is opposed by a majority of the union membership.

However, a lot of American heavy industry has moved offshore because of tax incentives to do so. Lower, slave labor, wages is only part of it and not the dominant part as those closer to market incur less in the way of shipping costs. No, much of the offshoring of American heavy industry breaks down into two things:

Economic incentives, both positive and negative, created through U.S Feral Guffermint tax policy.

Relaxation of tariff barriers that had previously allowed U.S. industry to avoid heavy capital outlays to purchase new machinery.

Ultimately it is all economic but labor is only a small part of the picture.

What this comes down to is that the Globalists wanted to deindustrialize Amurka in order to put all of those uppity serfs in their place. With less heavy industry you lose a lot of primary heavy manufacturing and it ripples through the economy like a tidal wave tearing down the industrial infrastructure and beggaring the common working man/woman. Mostly men though as they have been the vast majority of workers in heavy industry. Most women are unwilling to put up with the conditions that exist on a production line - it is hot, sweaty, mind numbing work. However, with deindustrialization also goes all of those traditional blue collar, high paying, UNION jobs.

And the Union movement gained its foothold in America because of the greed and disregard for the welfare of their workers by large segments of the "Captains of Industry" - who were also on the government dole as far back as the 1860's. Only the Great Northern Railway was built without the largesse of the District of Corruption.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-06-20   22:31:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#11)

Japan also has a higher average wage than the U.S..

I'm not sure about salaries but Japanese workers for the longest time had a tacit understanding with companies there that they and their families would be taken care of for life, that they'd never be laid off. Japanese workers and management were in it together, not adversaries. When Japan built factories stateside, they hired mainly non-unionized workers except for NUMMI. Japan's factories are successful here with non unionized workers. Go figure. Detroit's unionized car manufacturers are floated by tax dollars because otherwise they'd go out of business. What's the main difference between success and turds floating in a sea of failure - UNIONS -I rest my case.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-06-20   23:53:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: scrapper2 (#12)

Japan also has a higher average wage than the U.S..

I'm not sure about salaries but Japanese workers for the longest time had a tacit understanding with companies there that they and their families would be taken care of for life, that they'd never be laid off. Japanese workers and management were in it together, not adversaries. When Japan built factories stateside, they hired mainly non-unionized workers except for NUMMI. Japan's factories are successful here with non unionized workers. Go figure. Detroit's unionized car manufacturers are floated by tax dollars because otherwise they'd go out of business. What's the main difference between success and turds floating in a sea of failure - UNIONS -I rest my case.

And my point, despite the level of corruption that currently exists in Unions, is that they arose, and gained power, because there was, at the time, a need. Where workers are treated well and paid a fair wage unions cannot gain a foothold. Where management is corrupt and unethical in their treatment of workers that makes for prime ground for the rise of unions. However, as you can see by the behavior of the upper management of most large unions they have become corrupt and are firmly under control.

Actually Detroit got into the mess it is in because they were turning out a crummy product - which was driven by bad management. The dance with the unions makes a great diversion but is not the "why" as to why American auto manufacturers went into the tank. The Japanese were producing, are producing, a better product at a fair price. Why buy a U.S. made car that is junk in 3 to 5 years when you can buy an import that, with proper preventative maintenance, will still be running well after 200,000 miles on the road?

The issues are a bit more complex, and yet ultimately simple, than "Management Good", "Unions Bad". The real answer lies in the intentional creation of a business hostile environment that makes profitability problematic - particularly for smaller companies. While I am no fan of bad management I am also well aware that businesses are not charities and are generally not supported (unless they bribe the "right" people) out of the public purse. Nor should they be - ever.

We do not have a capitalist free market economy. What we currently have is crony capitalism and a tax environment that penalizes business for being successful and rewards business with tax incentives to move production out of the country. Don't take my word for it. Do the research and satisfy yourself.

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-06-21   19:57:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#19. To: Original_Intent (#18)

The issues are a bit more complex, and yet ultimately simple, than "Management Good", "Unions Bad".

Whatever.

In your 4 paragraphs, is that the sum total?

Like I said - whatever.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-06-22 05:13:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Original_Intent (#18)

Actually Detroit got into the mess it is in because they were turning out a crummy product - which was driven by bad management. The dance with the unions makes a great diversion but is not the "why" as to why American auto manufacturers went into the tank. The Japanese were producing, are producing, a better product at a fair price. Why buy a U.S. made car that is junk in 3 to 5 years when you can buy an import that, with proper preventative maintenance, will still be running well after 200,000 miles on the road?

My dad stopped buying GM products and started buying Toyotas after GM CEO (DeLorean) stated that they were building their product to last the term of the loan.

I think what started out as a protection for workers wound up like our government where the two (supposed) opposing parties colluded to screw the wee people.

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