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Title: Rand Paul on Bradley Manning Verdict: “I don’t have a lot of sympathy”
Source: ECONOMIC POLICY JOURNAL
URL Source: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.co ... bradley-manning-verdict-i.html
Published: Aug 20, 2013
Author: ROBERT WENZEL
Post Date: 2013-08-20 09:48:40 by Artisan
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There's terrible news out about Rand Paul and comments he has made about Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden.

At a Cato University event, Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets and that Manning put many lives at risk by releasing millions of pages “willy-nilly,” reports DL Magazine.

“There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. I think if you’ve got the, you know, the plans on how to make a nuclear bomb that is a state secret. If you give that to the enemy, that is being treasonous,” said Rand, “Even if you reveal it, you just have to have laws against that. What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that. You know individual agents that could have been killed or put at risk from this. So there is a problem with that. So I just can’t support that.”

“If you are doing something for a political purpose; you know, in fact, in some ways the Snowden case is a little bit different,” said Paul, “But even with the Snowden case, I still think you have to have laws against what he did. So he did break the law.”

His continued his comments about Snowden in an even more muddled fashion, attempting to hide is views by saying what others might do and not showing any strong support for Snowden

“Snowden, if he were here, could maybe make the defense ‘Well I released this information because I’m a whistle blower. I’m telling you the head of the intelligence agency isn’t telling the truth. So I’m correcting a lie by another official.’ Some have said he would have had an easier time with that argument if he had come to a member of Congress and gone through the official whistleblower, kind of, pathway,” said Paul, “I think they still would have probably put him in jail and thrown away the key.”

DL reported on reaction from the libertarian community on Rand's comments.

The District of Columbia’s Libertarian Party Chairman, Ryan Sabot stated that Rand's “attempts to wipe away credibility, gravity, and value of both Snowden and Manning’s leaks by Senator Paul are distasteful.”

Jayel Aheram, blogger for Young Americans for Liberty, said that he was"disappointed that Sen. Rand Paul chose repeat the lie that Manning’s release and Wikileaks’ publication of the diplomatic cables harmed people. Brig. General Robert Carr, the man who was in charge of the Pentagon’s review of the leaks, admitted during Manning’s trial that no one was killed or harmed by the release of the cables."

Young Americans for Liberty NY State Chair, Taweh Beysolow II said:

It’s very obvious to me that Senator Paul would be against what Bradley Manning and Snowden did simply because he is a politician who has presidential aspirations within the Republican Party. The broad conservative movement does not have sympathy, nor feels empathy for either of these individuals because they feel as if they betrayed this country to some degree, despite how much it works against the Obama administration to their pleasure.Again, it serves more as a reminder that Senator Paul will most likely mimic a George Bush presidency rather than the ideal pie in the sky dream of a libertarian president in my opinion. Subscribe to *RAND PAUL*

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#14. To: Artisan (#0)

Well now that we can all agree on the certainty of this asshole being a total asshole and america being totally lost does anyone have any good suggestions to help us find our way?

I found putting up card board billboard has been effective to reaching the masses....just saying.

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Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)

titorite  posted on  2013-08-20   19:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan, 4 (#0)

Jayel Aheram, blogger for Young Americans for Liberty, said that he was"disappointed that Sen. Rand Paul chose repeat the lie that Manning’s release and Wikileaks’ publication of the diplomatic cables harmed people. Brig. General Robert Carr, the man who was in charge of the Pentagon’s review of the leaks, admitted during Manning’s trial that no one was killed or harmed by the release of the cables."

Aheram and Carr are jive talking. Manning and Wikileaks released battle plans and equipment info. The supposed "harmless diplomatic cables" shtick is being used as cover to camouflage those maneuvers. Who really knows how many people were killed or harmed (probably not Carr) because of their abstract and ritualistic, propaganda-marketing for money and fame, war escalation and to get vengeance over the Military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy -- not concerns for Iraqi casualties or anyone else.

Posts 9-15 at 4um Title: Gerald Celente "everything is ok, everything is ok"

If every whistleblower is to expect that they'll be lumped in somehow with Manning and Assange, that's a deterrent.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-08-20   20:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#5)

TRAITOR.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2013-08-20   21:21:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Esso (#16)

traitor is right.

christine  posted on  2013-08-21   0:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Esso (#16)

That's the wall of a ROMAN FORT, it has nothing to do with jewiness.

“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-08-21   0:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Artisan (#0)

I lost confidence of Rand Paul after he came out in support of Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul. I donated about $2,000 to help him get elected. However, after that, I have been unwilling to make any further donations.

Rand Paul cannot get elected President because the powers in control don't really trust him and already they have started their smear tactics against him. As it gets close to 2016, if it appears he might be in the running, the mainstream will be lying, omitting any favorable news about him, and smearing him 24/7, similar to how Ron Paul was treated.

DWornock  posted on  2013-11-16   1:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: DWornock (#19)

I lost confidence of Rand Paul after he came out in support of Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul.

Say what?

Rand Paul endorsed Romney after Romney was selected as the GOP's Prez candidate.

Rand Paul did not endorse Romney while his father still had hopes to be the GOP's Prez candidate.

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-16   2:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: DWornock (#19)

that was sure nice of you to give rand $2000 at that time. He's lost a lot of credibility since then among ron's core supporters. My wife still teases me about wasting $100 on ron paul in 2007, the only money i ever gave to any politician. ;-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-11-16   2:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: scrapper2 (#20)

thats not how it was viewed at the time. ron had not called it quits , he'd just scaled back to 'focus on key states (supposedly). he also admonished people for criticizing mitt. Rons genuine base viewed rands act as the ultimate betrayal, which it was.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-11-16   2:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Artisan (#22)

Uh huh. Whatever.

"Well, you know, my first choice had always been my father. ... He is still my first pick," Paul said, according to a rush transcript of the appearance. "But now that the nominating process is over, tonight, I am happy to announce I am supporting Governor Romney."

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-16   2:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan (#0)

Snowden is a hero. What Snowden did was reveal that the NSA was openly violating the 4th amendment to the Constitution! He was indeed reporting only on illegal activities the NSA was engaged in against American citizens. The info about spying on allies only came out after he was denied asylum by those same nations. He was letting them know just how much of an ally the USA really considered them as being.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-11-16   3:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Artisan (#22)

thats not how it was viewed at the time. ron had not called it quits , he'd just scaled back to 'focus on key states (supposedly). he also admonished people for criticizing mitt. Rons genuine base viewed rands act as the ultimate betrayal, which it was.

Yes it was indeed the ultimate betrayal. Anyone that would do that to their own father would have no problem doing the same to someone he is unrelated to. Romney was a joke candidate meant to give Obama another four years. Ron never endorsed Romney because he knew he was no different than Obama, and if possible, even worse than Obama.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2013-11-16   3:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: RickyJ (#25)

You don't think Rand had Ron's okay? Ron was out of contention. How is Rand's olive leaf to Romney a betrayal to Ron?

scrapper2  posted on  2013-11-16   3:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine, esso (#17)

Manning/Snowden are present-day Paul Reveres and this is the best Rand can do. Sad.

Deasy  posted on  2013-11-16   4:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Artisan, All, All Adults, All Taxpayers (#0)

Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets

I've been lied to by the U.S. Govt most of my life. The lies have out numbered the truths ever since the CIA (and others) murdered JFK. (I was 13 when Kennedy was gunned down and I'm sure the govt was lying long before that but I wasn't aware).

We have never been treated as adults living in a free and transparent country by the U.S. Govt. Maybe that's because we never acted like adults. We have allowed the liars and thieves that occupy the offices of power to get away with this secrecy and outright lies for so long that it's become their modus operandi.

The secrecy and lies told us by the govt are usually considered by them to be a national security requirement despite our having been the greatest super power on earth at least since 1945 and the end of WW II.

Their lies and secrecy are paid for by the taxpayers. This is tantamount to buying your enemy a gun so he can kill you. It's suicidal.

Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin ... blah, blah, blah. If the plumber came to your home and destroyed your plumbing so that your house was flooded would you pay him ? If the fire department came to your house and threw gasoline on the flames would you call them the next time you had a fire ? If you hired a babysitter only to find your kids slaughtered and laying in pools of blood in their beds when you returned home, would you pay the babysitter and take her/him home ?

Well, I think when Americans gather a little backbone and start acting like adults then they may have some chance to live free from the bullies in D.C. We don't have to tolerate their bullying, their lies, their lies about lies, their spying on our every activity, their wars that kill and maim our youth, their banker bailout thefts that caused millions of foreclosures, their treason that has provided control of our monetary system that allegedly finances wars that have indebted our great, great, great, grand-children (if they survive the vaccines that the govt has allowed immunity for BIG PHARMA when they cause death or autism) so that we might ENJOY $4.00 gasoline today. [Gimme a break].

Children often tolerate extensive abuse at the hands of cruel adults. Often, even children are smart enough to run away from home. What is really wrong with Americans ? Why are we allowing these criminal bullies to even exist ?

Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss. It's unamerican to vote for or fund these butchers. It's really that simple and the inconvenience or harm incurred is the cost of freedom. What you save today by paying them tribute or by lying to avoid it is only a temporary measure. These criminals are coming for everything we have ever imagined we owned and our imagined liberty ... and they couldn't care less about the "rules" !

Just say no to drugs and FUCK YOU to Uncle Sambo !

noone222  posted on  2013-11-16   6:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28)

Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss.

Hear hear....

Vote and you are legitimizing this criminally corrupt government.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   8:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: noone222 (#28)

cor·ruptness n.

Synonyms: corrupt, debase, debauch, deprave, pervert, vitiate

These verbs mean to ruin utterly in character or quality: was corrupted by limitless power;

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   9:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Artisan, 4 (#0)

There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. - Rand Paul

I'd like to know which Manning & Snowden secrets, to date, Rand Paul objects to?

Rand is the ultimate Trojan Jew.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-11-16   9:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom, noone222 (#30)

Until most see it thisaway there's not much hope for change. Up with skepticism.

Deasy  posted on  2013-11-16   9:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

Rand is the ultimate Trojan Jew.

Olde Ron was the sly one.

Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   9:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Lod (#1)

Once they put on the beanie, put them out.

those 9 words say it all.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-11-16   9:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deasy (#32)

well, hello there! ;)

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-11-16   10:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: abraxas (#6)

The third party option had nothing to do with what we got. Limiting the options to TWO who are bought by the same corporate interests is no improvement. This nation will continue to get the same level of psychosis to which it exists at the voter level until we actually take responsibility and own what our government is doing in our name. This nation is not a "victim" of chaos. It creates it from individual to government. The greatest insanity is to pick the "lesser evil" and then blame a non evil choice for what you got....

I couldn't have stated that any better.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#24)

Snowden is a hero.

I agree with that. So does Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: noone222 (#28)

Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss. It's unamerican to vote for or fund these butchers. It's really that simple and the inconvenience or harm incurred is the cost of freedom. What you save today by paying them tribute or by lying to avoid it is only a temporary measure. These criminals are coming for everything we have ever imagined we owned and our imagined liberty ... and they couldn't care less about the "rules" !

Just say no to drugs and FUCK YOU to Uncle Sambo !

Great post and you summed it all up very well.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#33)

Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

Yes, how sly to have a principle and conviction that applies to all foreign aid and sticking to it. Our Constitution has no provisions for foreign aid and it really is sly is to stick to the Constitution consistently. There really is something sinister about following the Constitution and sticking to principles, even more sinister to do so consistently.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   10:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#33)

Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

And just what, exactly, is wrong with that? That would have been my answer too. Nowhere does the Constitution authorize the theft from Americans to pass out foreign aid to other countries. As far as the politicians stealing from Americans to give to other governments it is not theirs to give.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach (#39)

Abs...James...

A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   11:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#41)

I know that but I still don't know what you found so wrong in Ron's reply. He showed himself to be even handed and that he had some principles. At least that is how I understood it.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   11:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: James Deffenbach (#42)

I know that but I still don't know what you found so wrong in Ron's reply.

James...

The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   12:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom, abraxas, James Deffenbach (#41)

A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

THAT is a great point and very very valid.

You don't know what you don't know. The whores of the lamestream media, particularly Limp-paw, are expert at omitting (or pooh poohing) critical data which helps to paint a clearer picture.

The lie of omission is the most insidious of all. When people draw conclusions on false data, with the omission of true data, they can, and do, reach screwy conclusions - by what appears to them to be sound logic.

If "everybody" knows that Osama did 911 then there is no need to look for the omitted data.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-11-16   12:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)

It was upon my admission to the military at age 18 that I started questioning what I was told, and searching for what was omitted.

Many times what I heard was not true, often what I saw was neither real nor true.

When any politician claims the high ground as his platform, it behooves the lesser humans to cast a wary eye and ear.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   12:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#43)

James...

The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

Yes, and you know as well as I do that if Ron had answered a specific question about foreign aid to Israel with a simple yes or no answer--and the answer would be no of course if you are against all foreign aid--then he would have been painted as an anti-Semite. That is why they didn't ask about foreign aid in general.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   13:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#41)

A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

Such as an omission of any or all other nations in relation to foreign aid? You want to nit pick on Israel for what ever reason but the principle is that ALL foreign aid is wrong. Ron Paul makes no such omissions and consistently applies the principle of no foreign aid and no exceptions.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   14:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#43) (Edited)

The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

The answer lies in a principle that applies to all nations with no exceptions for foreign aid and our Constitution. You don't educate people about a principle unless you address it directly and consistently. Yet, you somehow construe this as sly and underhanded, which makes NO sense.

He one of the few politicians to take a stand on foreign aid consistently. Why don't you find any fault with the politicians who never question and consistently steal from American tax payers to send it to foreign aid all over the world? Do you not understand the principle should apply to all other nations with no sacred cow exceptions?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   14:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: James Deffenbach (#46)

Yes, and you know as well as I do that if Ron had answered a specific question about foreign aid to Israel with a simple yes or no answer--and the answer would be no of course if you are against all foreign aid--then he would have been painted as an anti-Semite. That is why they didn't ask about foreign aid in general.

All I know is that Paul has never answered the questions, for whatever reasons.

Doing thus paints anyone into the realm of professional politician.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   14:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: abraxas (#47)

I usually refrain answering negative "you" posts.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   14:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#50)

I usually refrain answering negative "you" posts.

When you make statements, you should be prepared to answer questions regarding those statements. And, there is nothing negative in the questions posed to you. Making statements and answering questions regarding your statements is the basic premise that drives discussion forums.

I have noted this is a frequent response to any questions regarding logical fallacies within your statements. I don't know who you wish for me to address when it is you who makes the questionable statements and opinions. Since you make the statements, you is logically the appropriate pronoun.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   14:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#51)

Abs...

It does take consideration and adeptness to refrain from using negative accusatory language.

Attacking posters here is not in my interest and would gain me nothing. Keeping any social discourse on a civil level is preferable.

Otherwise BOZO is available for those that find some postings objectionable. If time avails me, I try to peruse everyone, even Turtle.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   15:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: abraxas, Cynicom (#51)

Atta Girl! Hold your position in space. :-)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-11-16   15:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#52)

It does take consideration and adeptness to refrain from using negative accusatory language.

Attacking posters

Please specify exactly what you deem to be "negative accusatory language" in my posts to you.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   15:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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