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Title: Rand Paul on Bradley Manning Verdict: “I don’t have a lot of sympathy”
Source: ECONOMIC POLICY JOURNAL
URL Source: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.co ... bradley-manning-verdict-i.html
Published: Aug 20, 2013
Author: ROBERT WENZEL
Post Date: 2013-08-20 09:48:40 by Artisan
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There's terrible news out about Rand Paul and comments he has made about Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden.

At a Cato University event, Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets and that Manning put many lives at risk by releasing millions of pages “willy-nilly,” reports DL Magazine.

“There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. I think if you’ve got the, you know, the plans on how to make a nuclear bomb that is a state secret. If you give that to the enemy, that is being treasonous,” said Rand, “Even if you reveal it, you just have to have laws against that. What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that. You know individual agents that could have been killed or put at risk from this. So there is a problem with that. So I just can’t support that.”

“If you are doing something for a political purpose; you know, in fact, in some ways the Snowden case is a little bit different,” said Paul, “But even with the Snowden case, I still think you have to have laws against what he did. So he did break the law.”

His continued his comments about Snowden in an even more muddled fashion, attempting to hide is views by saying what others might do and not showing any strong support for Snowden

“Snowden, if he were here, could maybe make the defense ‘Well I released this information because I’m a whistle blower. I’m telling you the head of the intelligence agency isn’t telling the truth. So I’m correcting a lie by another official.’ Some have said he would have had an easier time with that argument if he had come to a member of Congress and gone through the official whistleblower, kind of, pathway,” said Paul, “I think they still would have probably put him in jail and thrown away the key.”

DL reported on reaction from the libertarian community on Rand's comments.

The District of Columbia’s Libertarian Party Chairman, Ryan Sabot stated that Rand's “attempts to wipe away credibility, gravity, and value of both Snowden and Manning’s leaks by Senator Paul are distasteful.”

Jayel Aheram, blogger for Young Americans for Liberty, said that he was"disappointed that Sen. Rand Paul chose repeat the lie that Manning’s release and Wikileaks’ publication of the diplomatic cables harmed people. Brig. General Robert Carr, the man who was in charge of the Pentagon’s review of the leaks, admitted during Manning’s trial that no one was killed or harmed by the release of the cables."

Young Americans for Liberty NY State Chair, Taweh Beysolow II said:

It’s very obvious to me that Senator Paul would be against what Bradley Manning and Snowden did simply because he is a politician who has presidential aspirations within the Republican Party. The broad conservative movement does not have sympathy, nor feels empathy for either of these individuals because they feel as if they betrayed this country to some degree, despite how much it works against the Obama administration to their pleasure.Again, it serves more as a reminder that Senator Paul will most likely mimic a George Bush presidency rather than the ideal pie in the sky dream of a libertarian president in my opinion. Subscribe to *RAND PAUL*

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#27. To: christine, esso (#17)

Manning/Snowden are present-day Paul Reveres and this is the best Rand can do. Sad.

Deasy  posted on  2013-11-16   4:22:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Artisan, All, All Adults, All Taxpayers (#0)

Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets

I've been lied to by the U.S. Govt most of my life. The lies have out numbered the truths ever since the CIA (and others) murdered JFK. (I was 13 when Kennedy was gunned down and I'm sure the govt was lying long before that but I wasn't aware).

We have never been treated as adults living in a free and transparent country by the U.S. Govt. Maybe that's because we never acted like adults. We have allowed the liars and thieves that occupy the offices of power to get away with this secrecy and outright lies for so long that it's become their modus operandi.

The secrecy and lies told us by the govt are usually considered by them to be a national security requirement despite our having been the greatest super power on earth at least since 1945 and the end of WW II.

Their lies and secrecy are paid for by the taxpayers. This is tantamount to buying your enemy a gun so he can kill you. It's suicidal.

Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin ... blah, blah, blah. If the plumber came to your home and destroyed your plumbing so that your house was flooded would you pay him ? If the fire department came to your house and threw gasoline on the flames would you call them the next time you had a fire ? If you hired a babysitter only to find your kids slaughtered and laying in pools of blood in their beds when you returned home, would you pay the babysitter and take her/him home ?

Well, I think when Americans gather a little backbone and start acting like adults then they may have some chance to live free from the bullies in D.C. We don't have to tolerate their bullying, their lies, their lies about lies, their spying on our every activity, their wars that kill and maim our youth, their banker bailout thefts that caused millions of foreclosures, their treason that has provided control of our monetary system that allegedly finances wars that have indebted our great, great, great, grand-children (if they survive the vaccines that the govt has allowed immunity for BIG PHARMA when they cause death or autism) so that we might ENJOY $4.00 gasoline today. [Gimme a break].

Children often tolerate extensive abuse at the hands of cruel adults. Often, even children are smart enough to run away from home. What is really wrong with Americans ? Why are we allowing these criminal bullies to even exist ?

Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss. It's unamerican to vote for or fund these butchers. It's really that simple and the inconvenience or harm incurred is the cost of freedom. What you save today by paying them tribute or by lying to avoid it is only a temporary measure. These criminals are coming for everything we have ever imagined we owned and our imagined liberty ... and they couldn't care less about the "rules" !

Just say no to drugs and FUCK YOU to Uncle Sambo !

noone222  posted on  2013-11-16   6:09:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28)

Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss.

Hear hear....

Vote and you are legitimizing this criminally corrupt government.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   8:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: noone222 (#28)

cor·ruptness n.

Synonyms: corrupt, debase, debauch, deprave, pervert, vitiate

These verbs mean to ruin utterly in character or quality: was corrupted by limitless power;

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   9:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Artisan, 4 (#0)

There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. - Rand Paul

I'd like to know which Manning & Snowden secrets, to date, Rand Paul objects to?

Rand is the ultimate Trojan Jew.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-11-16   9:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom, noone222 (#30)

Until most see it thisaway there's not much hope for change. Up with skepticism.

Deasy  posted on  2013-11-16   9:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

Rand is the ultimate Trojan Jew.

Olde Ron was the sly one.

Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   9:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Lod (#1)

Once they put on the beanie, put them out.

those 9 words say it all.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-11-16   9:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deasy (#32)

well, hello there! ;)

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-11-16   10:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: abraxas (#6)

The third party option had nothing to do with what we got. Limiting the options to TWO who are bought by the same corporate interests is no improvement. This nation will continue to get the same level of psychosis to which it exists at the voter level until we actually take responsibility and own what our government is doing in our name. This nation is not a "victim" of chaos. It creates it from individual to government. The greatest insanity is to pick the "lesser evil" and then blame a non evil choice for what you got....

I couldn't have stated that any better.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: RickyJ (#24)

Snowden is a hero.

I agree with that. So does Judge Andrew Napolitano.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: noone222 (#28)

Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss. It's unamerican to vote for or fund these butchers. It's really that simple and the inconvenience or harm incurred is the cost of freedom. What you save today by paying them tribute or by lying to avoid it is only a temporary measure. These criminals are coming for everything we have ever imagined we owned and our imagined liberty ... and they couldn't care less about the "rules" !

Just say no to drugs and FUCK YOU to Uncle Sambo !

Great post and you summed it all up very well.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#33)

Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

Yes, how sly to have a principle and conviction that applies to all foreign aid and sticking to it. Our Constitution has no provisions for foreign aid and it really is sly is to stick to the Constitution consistently. There really is something sinister about following the Constitution and sticking to principles, even more sinister to do so consistently.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   10:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom (#33)

Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

And just what, exactly, is wrong with that? That would have been my answer too. Nowhere does the Constitution authorize the theft from Americans to pass out foreign aid to other countries. As far as the politicians stealing from Americans to give to other governments it is not theirs to give.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   10:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach (#39)

Abs...James...

A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   11:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#41)

I know that but I still don't know what you found so wrong in Ron's reply. He showed himself to be even handed and that he had some principles. At least that is how I understood it.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   11:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: James Deffenbach (#42)

I know that but I still don't know what you found so wrong in Ron's reply.

James...

The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   12:01:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Cynicom, abraxas, James Deffenbach (#41)

A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

THAT is a great point and very very valid.

You don't know what you don't know. The whores of the lamestream media, particularly Limp-paw, are expert at omitting (or pooh poohing) critical data which helps to paint a clearer picture.

The lie of omission is the most insidious of all. When people draw conclusions on false data, with the omission of true data, they can, and do, reach screwy conclusions - by what appears to them to be sound logic.

If "everybody" knows that Osama did 911 then there is no need to look for the omitted data.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-11-16   12:10:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)

It was upon my admission to the military at age 18 that I started questioning what I was told, and searching for what was omitted.

Many times what I heard was not true, often what I saw was neither real nor true.

When any politician claims the high ground as his platform, it behooves the lesser humans to cast a wary eye and ear.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   12:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#43)

James...

The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

Yes, and you know as well as I do that if Ron had answered a specific question about foreign aid to Israel with a simple yes or no answer--and the answer would be no of course if you are against all foreign aid--then he would have been painted as an anti-Semite. That is why they didn't ask about foreign aid in general.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   13:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#41)

A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

Such as an omission of any or all other nations in relation to foreign aid? You want to nit pick on Israel for what ever reason but the principle is that ALL foreign aid is wrong. Ron Paul makes no such omissions and consistently applies the principle of no foreign aid and no exceptions.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   14:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#43) (Edited)

The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

The answer lies in a principle that applies to all nations with no exceptions for foreign aid and our Constitution. You don't educate people about a principle unless you address it directly and consistently. Yet, you somehow construe this as sly and underhanded, which makes NO sense.

He one of the few politicians to take a stand on foreign aid consistently. Why don't you find any fault with the politicians who never question and consistently steal from American tax payers to send it to foreign aid all over the world? Do you not understand the principle should apply to all other nations with no sacred cow exceptions?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   14:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: James Deffenbach (#46)

Yes, and you know as well as I do that if Ron had answered a specific question about foreign aid to Israel with a simple yes or no answer--and the answer would be no of course if you are against all foreign aid--then he would have been painted as an anti-Semite. That is why they didn't ask about foreign aid in general.

All I know is that Paul has never answered the questions, for whatever reasons.

Doing thus paints anyone into the realm of professional politician.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   14:46:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: abraxas (#47)

I usually refrain answering negative "you" posts.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   14:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#50)

I usually refrain answering negative "you" posts.

When you make statements, you should be prepared to answer questions regarding those statements. And, there is nothing negative in the questions posed to you. Making statements and answering questions regarding your statements is the basic premise that drives discussion forums.

I have noted this is a frequent response to any questions regarding logical fallacies within your statements. I don't know who you wish for me to address when it is you who makes the questionable statements and opinions. Since you make the statements, you is logically the appropriate pronoun.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   14:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#51)

Abs...

It does take consideration and adeptness to refrain from using negative accusatory language.

Attacking posters here is not in my interest and would gain me nothing. Keeping any social discourse on a civil level is preferable.

Otherwise BOZO is available for those that find some postings objectionable. If time avails me, I try to peruse everyone, even Turtle.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-16   15:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: abraxas, Cynicom (#51)

Atta Girl! Hold your position in space. :-)

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from evil. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2013-11-16   15:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#52)

It does take consideration and adeptness to refrain from using negative accusatory language.

Attacking posters

Please specify exactly what you deem to be "negative accusatory language" in my posts to you.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   15:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Cynicom (#52)

It does take consideration and adeptness to refrain from using negative accusatory language.

It appears you are circling away from the initial questions regarding the logical fallacies in your statements. Asking you questions about your comments isn't negative. Why are you attempting to make this personal? What is uncivil in any of my discourse to you? Why make a comment if not to discuss it on a discussion forum?

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2013-11-16   15:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom (#49) (Edited)

All I know is that Paul has never answered the questions, for whatever reasons.

He DID answer the question, said he was against ALL foreign aid. Naturally that would include Israel but it doesn't exclude any other nation. The reporter(s) wanted Ron to answer that question with a "Yes, I am against foreign aid to Israel." And Ron knew how they would have spun that and didn't bite. The man is not a fool and he would have been foolish to answer the question the way they (and it seems you) wanted him to.

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts

James Deffenbach  posted on  2013-11-16   16:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom, abraxas, James Deffenbach, All (#49)

#33: Olde Ron was the sly one. Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".

#41: A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.

#43: The questions asked were always of the definitive type, requiring only a yes or no answer.

#49: All I know is that Paul has never answered the questions, for whatever reasons. Doing thus paints anyone into the realm of professional politician.

Your charges against Ron Paul as if he dodged giving clear answers about his position on questions of Foreign Aid to Israel are absolutely not true, Cynicom.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-11-17   0:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom, abraxas, James Deffenbach, All (#57) (Edited)

charges against Ron Paul as if he dodged giving clear answers about his position on questions of Foreign Aid to Israel are absolutely not true

Ron Paul: Cut Foreign Aid, Unshackle Israel, Leave Iran Alone - FOX interview at 1:49-2:57 of 6.25 minute video

Uploaded on Aug 12, 2011

From the Transcript at ronpaul.com for the FOX interview above:

News Anchor: Our viewers ask better questions than I do, so let me get right to some of them, talking about where you stand. Don Peterson in Hemet, California wants to know, “Where does Mr. Paul stand on Israel? He seems to have dodged the question [every time] he’s been asked.”

Ron Paul: I disagree with him, because I don’t. We should be friends with Israel, and I don’t think we do a very good job at it. But I don’t think giving money to our friends is the right thing to do. I’m against all foreign aid, and if we cut out all the foreign aid today we would cut out 7 times more foreign aid from the enemies of Israel. But I wouldn’t give foreign aid to Israel. I want Israel to have their own national sovereignty. I don’t want them to depend on us either for the money which socializes their economy and they’re in financial trouble as well, and I don’t want them to depend on us to tell them how to draw up their peace treaties or what to do with their borders. So yes, we should have friendship with them, we should trade with them, but total dependence on United States and on our money is a bad risk for them because we’re in bankruptcy. We’re not going to be there forever, we are going to come home and I think their dependency on us is very, very harmful to them.

Ron Paul against foreign aid to Israel - 1 minute video

Uploaded on Dec 5, 2011

Ron Paul against foreign aid to Israel at the CNN National Security Debate

Ron Paul: Foreign Policy & Israel - 4:32 to 5:19 of 7 minute video interview by Jack Hunter

Uploaded on Dec 8, 2011

Ron Paul on Isreal, Foreign Aid and U.S. Foreign Policy - 10 minute video of a reading from Ron Paul's book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, based on written notes during his 2008 presidential campaign.

Israel and Foreign Aid at start to 3:10

Edit to add Quote section and spacing + bracketed correction at the Transcription section, paragraph 1.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-11-17   4:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: GreyLmist (#58)

Ron Paul: I disagree with him, because I don’t. We should be friends with Israel, and I don’t think we do a very good job at it. But I don’t think giving money to our friends is the right thing to do. I’m against all foreign aid, and if we cut out all the foreign aid today we would cut out 7 times more foreign aid from the enemies of Israel. But I wouldn’t give foreign aid to Israel. I want Israel to have their own national sovereignty. I don’t want them to depend on us either for the money which socializes their economy and they’re in financial trouble as well, and I don’t want them to depend on us to tell them how to draw up their peace treaties or what to do with their borders. So yes, we should have friendship with them, we should trade with them, but total dependence on United States and on our money is a bad risk for them because we’re in bankruptcy. We’re not going to be there forever, we are going to come home and I think their dependency on us is very, very harmful to them.

Uhhhh...

Lot of words there. Heard it many times, never a yes or no. Ron always sounds a lot like a professional politician.

OBFUSCATE

Verb 1. obfuscate - make obscure or unclearobfuscate - make obscure or unclear

alter, change, modify - cause to change; make different; cause a transformation

One of them even gives an example of someone that is an expert at such...DOCTORS...

Find me a plain olde yes or no. No obfuscation allowed.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-17   4:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: GreyLmist (#57)

Your charges against Ron Paul as if he dodged giving clear answers about his position on questions of Foreign Aid to Israel are absolutely not true, Cynicom.

Charges????

Good heavens.

Lets keep this impersonal and in proper perspective.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-17   4:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#60)

Your charges against Ron Paul as if he dodged giving clear answers about his position on questions of Foreign Aid to Israel are absolutely not true, Cynicom.

Charges????

Charges...False Accusations. Take your pick of those phrasings.

Good heavens.

Lets keep this impersonal and in proper perspective.

Do try to keep Ron Paul in proper perspective enough to not misdirect others by distorting historical facts in the process of your smear campaignings against him. If you wanted to keep it impersonal, you would not try to avoid taking responsibility for what you've mistakenly asserted accusingly about him by turning the focus away from a countering of that and flipping it into an affront against you personally somehow because the counterpoint addresses you at all. Really, Cynicom, if you're seriously all that rankled by the word "you", it's impractical in the extreme to expect debate formats to be reprimanded into specially conforming for you, per your Sensitivity Training instructions, and reply as if they're speaking to The Great and Powerful Oz or whatever instead.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-11-17   7:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#60)

Charges????

How does it feel to be our very own Eddie Slovik ??????

Jethro Tull  posted on  2013-11-17   7:27:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

How does it feel to be our very own Eddie Slovik ??????

I do know something of what he must have felt, but could not reconcile his regard for his own life, with the raw power of those that were not in his shoes.

As a twenty year olde, I attended my first NSA provided briefing as a nuclear crew member. It became very plain, even to a dumb kid, that they were talking about a one way trip, one upon which they would be staying home.

They would provide us with a .45 and one clip. It did not take a genius to connect the dots.

What arrogant bastards, just doing their duty of course.

Quit, refuse????? Not allowed. Refuse and we will crush you like a grape.

Did two 90 day tours, on duty 24/7. Either flying or drunk most of the time. Duty free Seagrams VO was $11.00 a case, ten bottles in a wooden case.

I do not take to much stock in people that talk a lot, but have never been there, never did that.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-17   9:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull (#62)

Jethro, an addendum...

When the war ended, I told them I wanted off, another job in that field.

Answer, no. Russia was still there. Here is where one has to look out for themselves.

I was told to refrain or they would bust me to buck private. That made me happy so I said bust away, knowing full well that the job I held, by regulations could not be held by a private. That really soiled their briefs.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-17   9:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Cynicom (#59)

Uhhhh...

Lot of words there. Heard it many times, never a yes or no. Ron always sounds a lot like a professional politician.

OBFUSCATE

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Find me a plain olde yes or no. No obfuscation allowed.

Professional Obfuscation is the paid poster realm you are painting yourself into on Ron Paul issues. Go try to find what you've ordered from me. It's not his answers that are evasive/non-existant (as you asserted at #49) but your premises that are wrong, and that has already been demonstrated. Ron Paul was not asked a yes or no question in the transcribed example (as you claimed at #43 they all were) but where he stood on Israel and he very clearly addressed in 7 words among those statements what his position was on Foreign Aid to Israel and then why. All you are proving is that he could say or do nothing to your liking and that you have nothing good to say about him -- even to the point that you seem to care more about imprinting bad impressions of him on people by slinging mud than you do about veracity. There's actually some terminology for that as a manipulative media tactic but it will take me a while to look that up. Will post it when I find it again. In the meantime, who do you suggest as a modern role model Constitutionally for the generations after yours, since you apparently are mission-bound to deny us even one of our own choosing if it's Ron Paul? Try to think of someone besides Jimmy Hoffa or whatever other Union Industry affiliates you esteem.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-11-17   9:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: GreyLmist (#65)

Condense that down a bit and I will try to read it.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-11-17   9:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom (#62)

Charges????

JT to Cynicom: How does it feel to be our very own Eddie Slovik ??????

More flippin' Cynicom-VicSimming when the issue was his charges/false accusations against Ron Paul, not charges against Cynicom.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-11-17   9:39:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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