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Title: Rand Paul on Bradley Manning Verdict: “I don’t have a lot of sympathy”
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ECONOMIC POLICY JOURNAL
URL Source: http://www.economicpolicyjournal.co ... bradley-manning-verdict-i.html
Published: Aug 20, 2013
Author: ROBERT WENZEL
Post Date: 2013-08-20 09:48:40 by Artisan
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There's terrible news out about Rand Paul and comments he has made about Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden. At a Cato University event, Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets and that Manning put many lives at risk by releasing millions of pages “willy-nilly,” reports DL Magazine. “There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. I think if you’ve got the, you know, the plans on how to make a nuclear bomb that is a state secret. If you give that to the enemy, that is being treasonous,” said Rand, “Even if you reveal it, you just have to have laws against that. What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that. You know individual agents that could have been killed or put at risk from this. So there is a problem with that. So I just can’t support that.” “If you are doing something for a political purpose; you know, in fact, in some ways the Snowden case is a little bit different,” said Paul, “But even with the Snowden case, I still think you have to have laws against what he did. So he did break the law.” His continued his comments about Snowden in an even more muddled fashion, attempting to hide is views by saying what others might do and not showing any strong support for Snowden “Snowden, if he were here, could maybe make the defense ‘Well I released this information because I’m a whistle blower. I’m telling you the head of the intelligence agency isn’t telling the truth. So I’m correcting a lie by another official.’ Some have said he would have had an easier time with that argument if he had come to a member of Congress and gone through the official whistleblower, kind of, pathway,” said Paul, “I think they still would have probably put him in jail and thrown away the key.” DL reported on reaction from the libertarian community on Rand's comments. The District of Columbia’s Libertarian Party Chairman, Ryan Sabot stated that Rand's “attempts to wipe away credibility, gravity, and value of both Snowden and Manning’s leaks by Senator Paul are distasteful.” Jayel Aheram, blogger for Young Americans for Liberty, said that he was"disappointed that Sen. Rand Paul chose repeat the lie that Manning’s release and Wikileaks’ publication of the diplomatic cables harmed people. Brig. General Robert Carr, the man who was in charge of the Pentagon’s review of the leaks, admitted during Manning’s trial that no one was killed or harmed by the release of the cables." Young Americans for Liberty NY State Chair, Taweh Beysolow II said: It’s very obvious to me that Senator Paul would be against what Bradley Manning and Snowden did simply because he is a politician who has presidential aspirations within the Republican Party. The broad conservative movement does not have sympathy, nor feels empathy for either of these individuals because they feel as if they betrayed this country to some degree, despite how much it works against the Obama administration to their pleasure.Again, it serves more as a reminder that Senator Paul will most likely mimic a George Bush presidency rather than the ideal pie in the sky dream of a libertarian president in my opinion.
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)
Once they put on the beanie, put them out.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Sir Lod... I am not given to obscene nor profane language as a rule. However, there are times and people that warrant such reactions. This SOB needs to be exposed for his real self and FOR HIS INTENTIONS. His Father gave us Obama for eight long years that have accelerated us in this long spiral into chaos.
Readers need to keep in mind that the Walton family members hold more wealth than the bottom thirty per cent of us at the bottom of the social ladder. Below is from Salon awhile ago. "Haven’t workers suffered enough? Just last week, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in 2010 only 6.9 percent of the private sector work force were union members. Throw in government workers, and the number pops up to 11.9 percent, but both figures represent 70-year lows. For all intents and purposes, the power of organized labor has been broken in the United States. Rand Paul is kicking a beaten cur. In 1948, for comparison purposes, 31 percent of the U.S. workforce was unionized. But the writing was already on the wall. In 1947, after Republicans won majorities in both the House and Senate, they passed the Taft-Hartley Act over a Harry Truman veto, severely restricting labor’s ability to organize and strike. Not uncoincidentally, the era of Big Labor’s most accelerated decline, which more or less began when Ronald Reagan broke the air traffic controller’s strike in 1981, maps to growing income inequality in the United States. Imagine that! ......Less power for workers translates into a greater concentration of wealth at the top of the pyramid in the United States........ Karl Marx would never have predicted such a turn of events. So here’s Rand Paul, hero of the Tea Party, great defender of liberty, doing his best to ensure that inequality continues to expand, and that workers continue to get ground under the heel of Big Capital. Because it’s been working out so well for us, all these years.
I believe that the Pauls have fully earned whatever invectives you want to toss their way; personally, I am through with'em.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
However, there are times and people that warrant such reactions. i agree...and Rand Paul is deserving. i find this much more loathesome than i do the behavior of those who are open about their anti-liberty positions.
I am not given to obscene nor profane language as a rule either, but this line here is complete BULLSHIT! This nation got the exact reflection of itself and it could get no different. Seriously, you think ol' Mittens would have been a "better" option? Both were bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs. A choice of whores and you blame the non whore option? And you actually think continuing to pick from same lame choices is going to make an improvement after all these years Cyni? The third party option had nothing to do with what we got. Limiting the options to TWO who are bought by the same corporate interests is no improvement. This nation will continue to get the same level of psychosis to which it exists at the voter level until we actually take responsibility and own what our government is doing in our name. This nation is not a "victim" of chaos. It creates it from individual to government. The greatest insanity is to pick the "lesser evil" and then blame a non evil choice for what you got.... " If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
Excellent points.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
From Cleveland Plain Dealer.. " May Day was first celebrated as an international day of labor in New York in the 1880s. Hitler made it an official paid holiday, not just a negotiated day off, on May 1, 1933 -- and used it to rally for his regime and industrialization. William Shirer (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich), who was there, called it "an elaborate piece of trickery." The next day, on May 2, 1933, unions were dissolved, their assets were confiscated, their offices were occupied and their leaders were arrested. Hitler then outlawed strikes, abolished collective bargaining and established the German Labor Front, a corrupt party organization." Stalin did not have to worry about labor unions, Lenin had done away with them years before. Many Americans will cheer the day the last union worker is thrown into the Gulag. What a great day? Really? Who is next??
The other 90% of us unless we can turn things around here. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
The people of Russia, Germany, Italy and China failed, untold millions died. White Americans have no voice, they are next.
Thanks Loddy. : ) I hope you have a lovely day.
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11 "Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
This is a blatant lie on the part of Rand and the government. Neither Bradley Manning nor wikileaks were indiscriminate in what was leaked or published.
Even the prosecution sympathizing judge had to throw out this charge because it would have criminalized all reporting by the media on security and defense related issues.
Well now that we can all agree on the certainty of this asshole being a total asshole and america being totally lost does anyone have any good suggestions to help us find our way? I found putting up card board billboard has been effective to reaching the masses....just saying. ______________________________________ Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) (It's a more positive message)
Aheram and Carr are jive talking. Manning and Wikileaks released battle plans and equipment info. The supposed "harmless diplomatic cables" shtick is being used as cover to camouflage those maneuvers. Who really knows how many people were killed or harmed (probably not Carr) because of their abstract and ritualistic, propaganda-marketing for money and fame, war escalation and to get vengeance over the Military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy -- not concerns for Iraqi casualties or anyone else. Posts 9-15 at 4um Title: Gerald Celente "everything is ok, everything is ok" If every whistleblower is to expect that they'll be lumped in somehow with Manning and Assange, that's a deterrent. ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. traitor is right.
That's the wall of a ROMAN FORT, it has nothing to do with jewiness.
#2. To: Lod (#1)
#3. To: Lod (#1)
#4. To: Cynicom (#2)
#5. To: Cynicom (#2)
I am not given to obscene nor profane language as a rule.
#6. To: Cynicom (#2)
His Father gave us Obama for eight long years that have accelerated us in this long spiral into chaos.
#7. To: abraxas (#6)
#8. To: christine, Lod (#5)
#9. To: Cynicom (#8)
Who is next??
#10. To: Lod (#9)
The other 90% of us unless we can turn things around here.
#11. To: Lod (#7)
#12. To: Artisan (#0)
What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that.
#13. To: Artisan (#0)
If you give that to the enemy, that is being treasonous,”
#14. To: Artisan (#0)
#15. To: Artisan, 4 (#0)
Jayel Aheram, blogger for Young Americans for Liberty, said that he was"disappointed that Sen. Rand Paul chose repeat the lie that Manning’s release and Wikileaks’ publication of the diplomatic cables harmed people. Brig. General Robert Carr, the man who was in charge of the Pentagon’s review of the leaks, admitted during Manning’s trial that no one was killed or harmed by the release of the cables."
#16. To: christine (#5)
TRAITOR.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#17. To: Esso (#16)
#18. To: Esso (#16)
-Alex Kurtagic
#19. To: Artisan (#0)
I lost confidence of Rand Paul after he came out in support of Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul. I donated about $2,000 to help him get elected. However, after that, I have been unwilling to make any further donations. Rand Paul cannot get elected President because the powers in control don't really trust him and already they have started their smear tactics against him. As it gets close to 2016, if it appears he might be in the running, the mainstream will be lying, omitting any favorable news about him, and smearing him 24/7, similar to how Ron Paul was treated.
#20. To: DWornock (#19)
Say what? Rand Paul endorsed Romney after Romney was selected as the GOP's Prez candidate. Rand Paul did not endorse Romney while his father still had hopes to be the GOP's Prez candidate. I lost confidence of Rand Paul after he came out in support of Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul.
#21. To: DWornock (#19)
that was sure nice of you to give rand $2000 at that time. He's lost a lot of credibility since then among ron's core supporters. My wife still teases me about wasting $100 on ron paul in 2007, the only money i ever gave to any politician. ;-)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#22. To: scrapper2 (#20)
thats not how it was viewed at the time. ron had not called it quits , he'd just scaled back to 'focus on key states (supposedly). he also admonished people for criticizing mitt. Rons genuine base viewed rands act as the ultimate betrayal, which it was.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
#23. To: Artisan (#22)
Uh huh. Whatever. "Well, you know, my first choice had always been my father. ... He is still my first pick," Paul said, according to a rush transcript of the appearance. "But now that the nominating process is over, tonight, I am happy to announce I am supporting Governor Romney."
#24. To: Artisan (#0)
Snowden is a hero. What Snowden did was reveal that the NSA was openly violating the 4th amendment to the Constitution! He was indeed reporting only on illegal activities the NSA was engaged in against American citizens. The info about spying on allies only came out after he was denied asylum by those same nations. He was letting them know just how much of an ally the USA really considered them as being.
God is always good!
#25. To: Artisan (#22)
Yes it was indeed the ultimate betrayal. Anyone that would do that to their own father would have no problem doing the same to someone he is unrelated to. Romney was a joke candidate meant to give Obama another four years. Ron never endorsed Romney because he knew he was no different than Obama, and if possible, even worse than Obama. thats not how it was viewed at the time. ron had not called it quits , he'd just scaled back to 'focus on key states (supposedly). he also admonished people for criticizing mitt. Rons genuine base viewed rands act as the ultimate betrayal, which it was.
God is always good!
#26. To: RickyJ (#25)
You don't think Rand had Ron's okay? Ron was out of contention. How is Rand's olive leaf to Romney a betrayal to Ron?
#27. To: christine, esso (#17)
Manning/Snowden are present-day Paul Reveres and this is the best Rand can do. Sad.
#28. To: Artisan, All, All Adults, All Taxpayers (#0)
I've been lied to by the U.S. Govt most of my life. The lies have out numbered the truths ever since the CIA (and others) murdered JFK. (I was 13 when Kennedy was gunned down and I'm sure the govt was lying long before that but I wasn't aware). We have never been treated as adults living in a free and transparent country by the U.S. Govt. Maybe that's because we never acted like adults. We have allowed the liars and thieves that occupy the offices of power to get away with this secrecy and outright lies for so long that it's become their modus operandi. The secrecy and lies told us by the govt are usually considered by them to be a national security requirement despite our having been the greatest super power on earth at least since 1945 and the end of WW II. Their lies and secrecy are paid for by the taxpayers. This is tantamount to buying your enemy a gun so he can kill you. It's suicidal. Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin ... blah, blah, blah. If the plumber came to your home and destroyed your plumbing so that your house was flooded would you pay him ? If the fire department came to your house and threw gasoline on the flames would you call them the next time you had a fire ? If you hired a babysitter only to find your kids slaughtered and laying in pools of blood in their beds when you returned home, would you pay the babysitter and take her/him home ? Well, I think when Americans gather a little backbone and start acting like adults then they may have some chance to live free from the bullies in D.C. We don't have to tolerate their bullying, their lies, their lies about lies, their spying on our every activity, their wars that kill and maim our youth, their banker bailout thefts that caused millions of foreclosures, their treason that has provided control of our monetary system that allegedly finances wars that have indebted our great, great, great, grand-children (if they survive the vaccines that the govt has allowed immunity for BIG PHARMA when they cause death or autism) so that we might ENJOY $4.00 gasoline today. [Gimme a break]. Children often tolerate extensive abuse at the hands of cruel adults. Often, even children are smart enough to run away from home. What is really wrong with Americans ? Why are we allowing these criminal bullies to even exist ? Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss. It's unamerican to vote for or fund these butchers. It's really that simple and the inconvenience or harm incurred is the cost of freedom. What you save today by paying them tribute or by lying to avoid it is only a temporary measure. These criminals are coming for everything we have ever imagined we owned and our imagined liberty ... and they couldn't care less about the "rules" ! Just say no to drugs and FUCK YOU to Uncle Sambo ! Rand stated that there need to be some laws that protect certain secrets
#29. To: noone222 (#28)
Hear hear.... Vote and you are legitimizing this criminally corrupt government. Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss.
#30. To: noone222 (#28)
cor·ruptness n. Synonyms: corrupt, debase, debauch, deprave, pervert, vitiate These verbs mean to ruin utterly in character or quality: was corrupted by limitless power;
#31. To: Artisan, 4 (#0)
I'd like to know which Manning & Snowden secrets, to date, Rand Paul objects to? Rand is the ultimate Trojan Jew. There do have to be laws to protect some secrets. - Rand Paul
#32. To: Cynicom, noone222 (#30)
Until most see it thisaway there's not much hope for change. Up with skepticism.
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
Olde Ron was the sly one. Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid". Rand is the ultimate Trojan Jew.
#34. To: Lod (#1)
those 9 words say it all. Once they put on the beanie, put them out.
To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.
#35. To: Deasy (#32)
well, hello there! ;)
To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.
#36. To: abraxas (#6)
I couldn't have stated that any better. The third party option had nothing to do with what we got. Limiting the options to TWO who are bought by the same corporate interests is no improvement. This nation will continue to get the same level of psychosis to which it exists at the voter level until we actually take responsibility and own what our government is doing in our name. This nation is not a "victim" of chaos. It creates it from individual to government. The greatest insanity is to pick the "lesser evil" and then blame a non evil choice for what you got....
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#37. To: RickyJ (#24)
I agree with that. So does Judge Andrew Napolitano. Snowden is a hero.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#38. To: noone222 (#28)
Just say no to drugs and FUCK YOU to Uncle Sambo ! Great post and you summed it all up very well. Personally, I think it's time for Americans to grow up and stop cowering before the bully U.S. Govt. and voting for the new boss same as the old boss. It's unamerican to vote for or fund these butchers. It's really that simple and the inconvenience or harm incurred is the cost of freedom. What you save today by paying them tribute or by lying to avoid it is only a temporary measure. These criminals are coming for everything we have ever imagined we owned and our imagined liberty ... and they couldn't care less about the "rules" !
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#39. To: Cynicom (#33)
Yes, how sly to have a principle and conviction that applies to all foreign aid and sticking to it. Our Constitution has no provisions for foreign aid and it really is sly is to stick to the Constitution consistently. There really is something sinister about following the Constitution and sticking to principles, even more sinister to do so consistently. Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".
" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11
"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne
#40. To: Cynicom (#33)
And just what, exactly, is wrong with that? That would have been my answer too. Nowhere does the Constitution authorize the theft from Americans to pass out foreign aid to other countries. As far as the politicians stealing from Americans to give to other governments it is not theirs to give.Always when asked if he was in favor of foreign aid to Israel, olde Ron replied, "I am against all foreign aid".
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#41. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach (#39)
Abs...James... A great deal of our brainwashing and programming has been via the art of omission.
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