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Title: Response To an E-mail and sender e-mail list.
Source: Doug's E-Mail
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Published: Dec 2, 2013
Author: Doug Scheidt
Post Date: 2013-12-02 08:27:51 by noone222
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Views: 1716
Comments: 148

Dave,

The long and short of our current condition is that we have failed, as did the generation before us, to follow God's laws or rules respecting money and faith. The generation before us allowed the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to be implemented. Our generation has watched this behemoth take ownership of the country. Once the FEDERAL RESERVE became the creditor of the united States and virtual owner of it the individual States became like counties and lost their sovereignty. That's why there's forced FEDERAL integration which has destroyed the education system and taught the current generation to suck off of the government tit and approve socialist policies.

Everyone that you have sent this e-mail to is a card carrying socialist that is too blind to see their own reflection in the mirror. I'm not being mean, just truthful. If you're reading this and don't think you're a card carrying socialist open your wallet or purse and pull out that little card with 9 numbers that identify you. The truth is 99.9% of Americans are members of what I call the socialist democracy having left the democratic republic somewhere in the past. Today, children are given their socialist slave number at the hospital or didn't you notice ?

I liked the first scripture that your e-mail began with because I have often wondered just who it applied to. After healing the sick and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ he says "depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU. All that tells me is that the name of Jesus is powerful and even those so-called Christians that socialize at 501(c)(3) Churches [actually tax exempt corporations] on Sundays are fooling themselves and are hypocrites. I don't want to dwell on this issue but suffice it to say that GOD'S money has no business being managed by the government or taxed. Just one example of disobedience is the fact that these 501(c)(3) churches report the tithes of their congregation to the IRS. The Bible instructs us to give in secret not letting the left hand know what the right hand does. Another thing, tithers today get a TAX DEDUCTION for their donation. So if they get a tax deduction what did they really give ? The bottom line is that God is the boss, the owner of heaven and earth but the government wants you and I to believe they are god.

Well, that scripture (depart from me) applies to everyone that decided to trust the government (men) for their welfare instead of God. Above I mentioned money and faith as the reason for this country's demise. Let's further discuss the money. Today we use FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (which are promissory notes) to conduct our daily business. These notes are OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE which is a PRIVATE Bank that has recently made it impossible to think its under the control of we the people or even congress when Alan Greenspan told a congressman that neither he nor the FED answered to the U.S. Govt or the President. One thing that's imperative to understand is that "THERE AIN'T NO MONEY" - all there is are "worthless" promises (promissory notes) to pay. When we use this "currency" all we're doing is passing around DEBT for our instant needs that will be passed on to our descendants. Your e-mail mentioned 25 cent gasoline. I was a kid that pumped 25 cent gasoline but when it was paid for I got a silver quarter REAL MONEY. At that time we had silver money and our paper currency was silver certificates backed by silver. Take note that what we have today is a far cry from real money even though the bankers and politicians have made it look almost identical to our former currency. It is estimated that the "dollar" has lost 95% of its value since 1913 when the FEDERAL RESERVE was instituted.

It's time to discuss faith for a minute. Most people think of faith as a noun. If you simply believe in Jesus life / death and resurrection then you are guaranteed eternal life. Well, those people healing the sick and casting out demons in Jesus holy name BELIEVED didn't they ? I think faith is a verb, an action word wherein we live our lives as insructed by God/Jesus. God told us not to do usury. God told us to use equal weights and measures (which would include gold or silver money), but these NOTES we're using are financed at interest (usury) and through inflation and deflation (not equal weights or measures) are destroying America. Before I get into the SOCIAL(IST) SECURITY INSURANCE SYSTEM let me say I know you paid into it, so did I, so what ! This system asks you to trust man (Uncle Sambo) for your needs in old age. Keep in mind that this system didn't exist until 1935. Right here I need to digress for a moment. The united States was deemed bankrupt in 1933 just 20 years after the institution of the Federal Reserve, and on March 5, 1933 Roosevelt made the bankruptcy official by confiscating the nation's gold.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/c...tributor=Charleston+Voice

Part of Roosevelt's "NEW DEAL" was socialist security. Americans lined up for it and became socialists leaving behind their republican form of government. If you think the monetary problems we have are huge an even larger problem has occurred. We lost our constitution because of our monetary policies. There's a maxim in international law that basically states "the medium of exchange dictates the relevant law." What this means in practical terms is that when we conduct business utilizing Federal Reserve Notes, Credit Cards, Checks, Drafts, and etc., which are negotiable debt instruments otherwise known as COMMERCIAL INSTRUMENTS we are subject to COMMERCIAL LAW. This eliminates the constitution, common law and God's law. Is it satanic ? You betcha !!!!! Think about it you old geezers (I'm one too - hahaha) the FEDS never talked about taking our guns or making us get a permit or license to do anything before the 1933 Bankruptcy and Roosevelt's NEW SOCIALIST DEAL.

Today, Dave, we sit around at the coffee shop and gripe about the machinations of the FEDERAL government because most of us wonder where we lost America to the abuses oozing out of D.C. (The District of Criminals). The truth is, Dave, we let it happen too. A very trusting America allowed the bankers takeover which was orchestrated by the colluding politicians in semi-secret. Numerous folks have tried desparately to warn their fellow Americans but no one listened. Congressman McFadden, a former banker spoke out against the FEDERAL RESERVE fraud and they murdered him. Please read the following on WIKI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Congressman Charles Lindbergh, (the flyers dad) said: "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Woodrow Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."[6] Also quoted as:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."[citation needed] "A radical is one who speaks the truth."[6] "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve.[citation needed] "To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."[7] I'll close this message by asking you to share this with everyone that you sent the aforementioned e-mail to. It's easy enough to cast blame on others but the undeniable truth is we have all shared equally in the acceptance of the criminal behavior wielded by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the bankers that OWN them and also own most of us. Many refuse to believe that such a wicked paradigm shift could occur in America. And, to them I say it already has occurred and the ONLY WAY TO RETURN TO THE AMERICA WE ALL LOVE is to admit we have a problem and withdraw all support and participation in their criminal endeavor. There's a Bible passage, LUKE 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so:

The Socialist Security System calls you the beneficiary and Uncle Sambo the BENEFACTOR. But ye shall not be so.

It's truly time for all of us calling ourselves Christians to act like it. There's nothing Godly or American coming out of D.C. and I suggest that we get on our knees and ask our heavenly Father to give us our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses and mean it. I opted out of this criminal system nearly 30 years ago because I finally came to the conclusion that the SSN was likely the "MARK" of the Beast (the number of a man) or its precursor. [You better have it to buy or sell].

Regardless of the consequences of my decision, for me personally, I'm trusting God/Jesus rather than the bankers and their political puppets.

Doug Scheidt December 2, 2013 ... 100 years after the implementation of the FEDERAL RESERVE SATANIC SYSTEM.


Poster Comment:

The following e-mail was forwarded to me by an ex-city council guy and was also sent to all public officials - above is my response.

Gerry

Matt7:KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This requires no comment, other than "welcome aboard!"

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.

In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."

You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the millions.

This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."

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#1. To: noone222 (#0)

Well now, lot of grist for the mill.

Firstly, may I lead the applause for a job well done.

Secondly, until the day a majority of Americans finally realize, that the "GOVERNMENT" is the enemy, there will no change in our downward spiral.

We were given birth by a bloody REVOLUTION, why are we so afraid of another, to restore our birthright??????

The Revolution was fought by the masses, LED BY MEN OF CHARACTER,men that risked everything for freedom.

Nowadays there are no men of character to lead another Revolution.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   10:19:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Thanks, Cyni. I wish I could control myself sometimes but I think that's what a lot of people have been doing which has us where we are today. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or call them names. What I want is my country back and the freedom once enjoyed in America before we got fat, dumb, and sassy.

The fact that it doesn't look like many will resist the banker tyranny makes it very difficult for those who will resist.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   10:35:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

I wish I could control myself

Nonsense...

When a man expresses himself verbally, it is most often difficult to ascertain his true intent.

However, expression by writing takes THOUGHT and is more accurate a barometer of his intent, his feelings and his intellect.

Addendum to your epistle.

Cong. Lindbergh was from MN, was run out of Congress by a media onslaught nationwide, led by the Jew owned New York Times. At least one attempt was made on his life.

You might think about this.

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   10:55:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#3)

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

The "ONE" fooled me once. We, CadetD and I, supported him both financially and politically. (CadetD more than I) throughout the 1st Presidential run only to have him piss down his leg at just the wrong time. CadetD had driven to Houston as a delegate only to have Ron drop out before she even arrived.

Fool me once ....

Someone mentioned "I think they threatened him" well they all get threats especially after being elected. If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   12:18:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#8)

If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

Ron Paul never withdrew from a Presidential race.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-04   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-04   17:52:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

He didn't cop out. His enemies spun it that way hyperbolically whenever he had to streamline his campaign and focus to do what he could with the limited finances that he had and the more formidable delegate obstacle-course devised against him by party controllers, as compared to the bigger monied candidates. Their misdirectional yammerings caused the copping out of many from his support base like Sunshine Patriots:

used in the essay "The American Crisis" by Thomas Paine in winter 1776 during the uncertain times of the American revolution.

Sunshine Patriot refers to individuals who claim to fight against tyranny on the side of freedom, yet are unable to stick it out when the going gets tough or unfavorable.

These individuals will "shrink from the service of their country" when conditions are bad or uncomfortable for them.

Even the domineering election riggers could be defeated if more Patriots were determined to participate enough to do that.

Thomas Jefferson quote: "We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate" -- or not.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

Our real government is the Constitution, not the holographic sham of criminal elements that masquerade as the Federal Government.

Edited for grammar.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   14:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   14:46:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Not getting enough delegates to win the Republican nomination doesn't equate to a cop out. Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June and that he was still a candidate in the general elections to the extent that he could be. Even Wikipedia notes him as the only one that did not formally suspend or withdraw their candidacy after the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. Your continual ahistorical distortions are dimly reflective of your mettle, not Ron Paul's. Please stop your miseducational dumbing down of America for your own sake if you can't manage to do that for our Republic.

Edited the Wikipedia link + for grammar and spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   15:45:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   15:55:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#32)

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   16:12:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GreyLmist (#34)

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   16:29:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#35) (Edited)

Davy Jones -- gone but not forgot. Thanks for the nostalgic memorabilia. Back to your post:

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

So, what you've essentially said above is that you weren't there yourself but still faithfully believe without supporting evidence (other than the secondhand fairytale reports you heard broadcast by media tricksters) that your roomie wasn't snookered or snookering you. Well, I don't know what else to say right now to make you feel better about my never ending support of Ron Paul, as I'd rather you did. I reckon the best thing for me to do about that is to soon get back to condensing my Ron Paul election-history post-project down to one portable link for untangling the chronic misperceptions of his foes.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   19:29:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

No, I meant exactly what I said.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   20:49:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: noone222 (#44) (Edited)

No, I meant exactly what I said.

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida Convention. Sorry if I was mistaken about your comment. However, I haven't listened to the entire 1/2 hour video yet but am still not understanding how a February 2012 Ron Paul rally in St. Cloud, MN, long before the FL Republican convention in September, was somehow considered by you as dodging the 2008 action. Maybe you meant to post a different video?? I've never heard it suggested that McCain, Romney, et al., should have held their campaign rallies in closer conjunction with Ron Paul's to be viewed esteemably enough to pass muster as other than contemptible cowards. Btw, I differ with the opening speaker in that video because I think the Constitution's Champion, Ron Paul, is even better in some ways than a Thomas Jefferson of our time.

Thomas Jefferson despotic tree-hugger quote, believe it or not:

“I wish I was a despot that I might save the noble, the beautiful trees that are daily falling sacrifice to the cupidity of their owners, or the necessity of the poor. The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder.”

"...or the necessity of the poor." Rather callous of him, I'd say, considering how much trees were needed back then to keep people from freezing and adequately sheltered.

Edited for various paragraphical revisions + for formatting and apostrophe correction.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   21:38:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GreyLmist (#46)

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida

You're right.

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:07:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: noone222, Cynicom (#52)

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

Not actively campaigning isn't the equivalent of a withdrawl and, unlike others, he stayed in the races even though he didn't have the delegate counts needed to win the nominations. All of which apparently means nothing to some of the very same people who would probably call it unfair or even a violation of their voting rights if third party candidates were eliminated as options because they couldn't make a big enough spending "splash". In times past, the most a candidate could do was take a train ride to a State (if there happened to be a railroad available in that area) and circulate some publications of their speeches. Our Constitution doesn't say that our elections are subject to the transportation and technological advancements of the times. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate in all of American history who was expected to campaign everywhere the entire time, whether he could financially afford it or not, or he'd no longer be considered a candidate even by his supposed supporters -- as if internet access wasn't a good enough means of outreach. The worst of candidates were never, afaik, held to such unreasonable standards but this is how "Patriots" encourage more Champions of the Constitution?

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests. Campaigning against Ron Paul and funding contributions to him so that he could only achieve very few convention and general election votes officially, then blaming him instead of yourselves for Obama's re-selection is a cop out, as well as mindboggling. Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure. In 2008, Ron Paul ran two campaigns -- one for President and one for Congress -- when it was clear that McCain would get the nomination. No one was prevented from voting for Ron Paul in the remaining Presidential Primaries/Caucuses, nor from trying to become a delegate for him because he "withrew" or didn't campaign in their district/State and that is a fact. I'm grateful that he was at least able to return to Congress then to continue representing the Constitution for America, not just Texas.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:11:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: GreyLmist (#54)

Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure.

yeah, and so what?? it's time. wtf cares what MSM says? Paul had no chance anyway and he knew it. he could have done a lot more by standing up to and challenging the corruption that has existed for decades. he of all people knows that without legitimate, honest elections we have NOTHING. it's all a big charade.

christine  posted on  2013-12-12   23:33:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: christine (#83)

Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure.

yeah, and so what?? it's time. wtf cares what MSM says? Paul had no chance anyway and he knew it. he could have done a lot more by standing up to and challenging the corruption that has existed for decades. he of all people knows that without legitimate, honest elections we have NOTHING. it's all a big charade.

It's not like he made no stand at all to speak out about it:

Tuesday, 13 March 2012: Ron Paul Hints at Suspicion of Election Fraud

“Quite frankly I don’t think the other candidates get crowds like this, and we get them constantly,” Paul said to reporters, after he had spoken to yet another crowd of over 2500 supporters in Missouri. “You would get the perception that we would be getting a lot more votes. Sometimes we get thousands of people like this and we’ll take them to the polling booth, yet we won’t win the caucus,” he commented, adding, “A lot of our supporters are very suspicious about it.”

When Paul was informed that Rick Santorum won the Kansas caucus, he remarked, “That reminds me of a picture I just looked at. I had four thousand people and he had a hundred and fifty. So who knows.”

[...] and the kind of things that we heard about up in Maine.”

“They said we can’t have a recount because they just write these numbers down on pieces of paper and then throw them away afterwards. So it’s that kind of stuff that makes you suspicious,” Paul noted.

In the Virgin Islands, Ron Paul got the most votes but Romney got 7 delegates and he only got one. He probably couldn't have challenged that if he wanted to because the excuse was that it was the will of the voters for delegates and not about the Presidential candidate votes. It would have looked bad for him to complain about that but continue elsewhere with his strategy of trying to win over as many delegates as he could even if the poll numbers for him were low. If he really thought he had no chance, why should he have spent more of what little money he had comparatively on challenging the corruption? The corrupters and his critics would have been glad if he ran out of funds and momentum faster trying to do that instead of his voters, at the risk of his campaign messages being diverted from many if they were then persuaded by the Press that he was a troublemaker, sore loser, crazy conspiracy theorist, etc.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   2:27:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: GreyLmist (#85)

ok, points taken.

christine  posted on  2013-12-13   11:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: christine, noone222, Artisan, 4 (#94)

ok, points taken.

:) While I'm here, am posting (for those with concerns about Ron Paul and his stance on 9/11) a short dailypaul.com review regarding his recent interview with Jesse Ventura on that subject at the Ron Paul Channel, a link for the 38 second Preview video there that shows pics of JFK and 9/11 as he makes a reference to "the greatest conspiracies of our time", and also a 5.75 minute YouTube video of Jesse Ventura speaking out about 9/11 at Ron Paul's separate 2008 Convention (Rally for the Republic) in Minneapolis, Minnesota -- most likely with Ron Paul's "OK" to do that:

Review at dailypaul.com on Wed, 10/09/2013 | Ron Paul and Jesse Ventura discuss 9/11

I just watched Ron's interview with Jesse on the Ron Paul Channel.

I knew Jesse's views on 9/11 but I was surprised to hear Ron talk about it more openly than I've heard him do so before. He sounded more like a truther than I had believed him to be. He even mocked people who use the word "truther" as an insult. After all, truth is treason in an empire of lies, as he said.

I know Ron always talked about how we need a new investigation but he never gave me the impression that he believed anyone other than Bin Laden did it. But in this interview both he and Jesse made it clear that they don't believe the official version of the Kennedy assassination or 9/11, and that the commissions that investigated both were nothing but cover ups.

Great stuff.

Preview video ["Jesse Ventura: Exposing Government Lies" dated October 8, 2013] currently on Pg. 2 of the Interviews at the Ron Paul Channel.

YouTube video: Jesse Ventura Speaks About 9/11 at Ron Paul Rally (9/2/08)

Description: At the Ron Paul Rally for the Republic in Minneapolis, Minnesota former governor Jesse Ventura expressed his concerns about 9/11 to a receptive crowd of nearly 10,000 people.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   13:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: GreyLmist, noone222, Christine (#98)

Ron Paul, Trotsky memo...

" I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them..... But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican".........

Anyone that wears the badge of the pub party would of course go to the wall with Paul.

There is but ONE party, following either wing is the cause that is ruining this country.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   14:39:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Cynicom (#103) (Edited)

We've been over your so-called "Trotsky Memo" misperceptions numerous times, apparently all to no avail. So what's the point you're trying to make now? That Republicans can't be Conservatives? Who then are the Conservatives which you keep speaking of as having been warded off from running by Ron Paul? You still haven't identified even one.

Anyone that wears the badge of the pub party would of course go to the wall with Paul.

I can only conclude from your statement there that you somehow missed all of the vote riggings against him by...the Republican Party. And you seem determined to rob us even of the legacy of his educational efforts to alert others about Federal Reserve problems.

Edited next to last sentence of paragraph 1.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   15:21:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: GreyLmist (#104)

misperceptions

Good heavens...

I swear there is no alternate meaning to..."I am a republican and will remain a republican".....

Plain and simple.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   15:37:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#105) (Edited)

It's been explained to you more than once that, at the time, Ron Paul not only had a commitment to represent his district as the Republican that they voted into office but that he had also signed agreements to not run third party in 2008, to gain ballot access in some states. Is that plain and simple enough yet?

Edited for punctuation.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   16:02:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: GreyLmist (#107)

It's been explained to you more than once

I must consider that as an insult to my meager intelligence.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   17:21:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Cynicom (#108)

It's been explained to you more than once

I must consider that as an insult to my meager intelligence.

It's simply a fact. No need for you to be insulted by it. My ability to communicate intelligently enough to convey what should be easily understandable without tedious repetitions is what's being insulted by your continual imperviousness about it. I'm sure that's not due to meager intelligence on your part so it appears that it's a failing of mine or something else like gaming for sport.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:31:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: GreyLmist (#120)

It's simply a fact

It was and is an insult.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   21:39:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#123. To: Cynicom (#121)

It was and is an insult.

Well, it wasn't intended to be an insult so get over it and put it behind us so we can move on from there.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13 21:55:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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