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Title: Response To an E-mail and sender e-mail list.
Source: Doug's E-Mail
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Published: Dec 2, 2013
Author: Doug Scheidt
Post Date: 2013-12-02 08:27:51 by noone222
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Views: 1568
Comments: 148

Dave,

The long and short of our current condition is that we have failed, as did the generation before us, to follow God's laws or rules respecting money and faith. The generation before us allowed the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to be implemented. Our generation has watched this behemoth take ownership of the country. Once the FEDERAL RESERVE became the creditor of the united States and virtual owner of it the individual States became like counties and lost their sovereignty. That's why there's forced FEDERAL integration which has destroyed the education system and taught the current generation to suck off of the government tit and approve socialist policies.

Everyone that you have sent this e-mail to is a card carrying socialist that is too blind to see their own reflection in the mirror. I'm not being mean, just truthful. If you're reading this and don't think you're a card carrying socialist open your wallet or purse and pull out that little card with 9 numbers that identify you. The truth is 99.9% of Americans are members of what I call the socialist democracy having left the democratic republic somewhere in the past. Today, children are given their socialist slave number at the hospital or didn't you notice ?

I liked the first scripture that your e-mail began with because I have often wondered just who it applied to. After healing the sick and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ he says "depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU. All that tells me is that the name of Jesus is powerful and even those so-called Christians that socialize at 501(c)(3) Churches [actually tax exempt corporations] on Sundays are fooling themselves and are hypocrites. I don't want to dwell on this issue but suffice it to say that GOD'S money has no business being managed by the government or taxed. Just one example of disobedience is the fact that these 501(c)(3) churches report the tithes of their congregation to the IRS. The Bible instructs us to give in secret not letting the left hand know what the right hand does. Another thing, tithers today get a TAX DEDUCTION for their donation. So if they get a tax deduction what did they really give ? The bottom line is that God is the boss, the owner of heaven and earth but the government wants you and I to believe they are god.

Well, that scripture (depart from me) applies to everyone that decided to trust the government (men) for their welfare instead of God. Above I mentioned money and faith as the reason for this country's demise. Let's further discuss the money. Today we use FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (which are promissory notes) to conduct our daily business. These notes are OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE which is a PRIVATE Bank that has recently made it impossible to think its under the control of we the people or even congress when Alan Greenspan told a congressman that neither he nor the FED answered to the U.S. Govt or the President. One thing that's imperative to understand is that "THERE AIN'T NO MONEY" - all there is are "worthless" promises (promissory notes) to pay. When we use this "currency" all we're doing is passing around DEBT for our instant needs that will be passed on to our descendants. Your e-mail mentioned 25 cent gasoline. I was a kid that pumped 25 cent gasoline but when it was paid for I got a silver quarter REAL MONEY. At that time we had silver money and our paper currency was silver certificates backed by silver. Take note that what we have today is a far cry from real money even though the bankers and politicians have made it look almost identical to our former currency. It is estimated that the "dollar" has lost 95% of its value since 1913 when the FEDERAL RESERVE was instituted.

It's time to discuss faith for a minute. Most people think of faith as a noun. If you simply believe in Jesus life / death and resurrection then you are guaranteed eternal life. Well, those people healing the sick and casting out demons in Jesus holy name BELIEVED didn't they ? I think faith is a verb, an action word wherein we live our lives as insructed by God/Jesus. God told us not to do usury. God told us to use equal weights and measures (which would include gold or silver money), but these NOTES we're using are financed at interest (usury) and through inflation and deflation (not equal weights or measures) are destroying America. Before I get into the SOCIAL(IST) SECURITY INSURANCE SYSTEM let me say I know you paid into it, so did I, so what ! This system asks you to trust man (Uncle Sambo) for your needs in old age. Keep in mind that this system didn't exist until 1935. Right here I need to digress for a moment. The united States was deemed bankrupt in 1933 just 20 years after the institution of the Federal Reserve, and on March 5, 1933 Roosevelt made the bankruptcy official by confiscating the nation's gold.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/c...tributor=Charleston+Voice

Part of Roosevelt's "NEW DEAL" was socialist security. Americans lined up for it and became socialists leaving behind their republican form of government. If you think the monetary problems we have are huge an even larger problem has occurred. We lost our constitution because of our monetary policies. There's a maxim in international law that basically states "the medium of exchange dictates the relevant law." What this means in practical terms is that when we conduct business utilizing Federal Reserve Notes, Credit Cards, Checks, Drafts, and etc., which are negotiable debt instruments otherwise known as COMMERCIAL INSTRUMENTS we are subject to COMMERCIAL LAW. This eliminates the constitution, common law and God's law. Is it satanic ? You betcha !!!!! Think about it you old geezers (I'm one too - hahaha) the FEDS never talked about taking our guns or making us get a permit or license to do anything before the 1933 Bankruptcy and Roosevelt's NEW SOCIALIST DEAL.

Today, Dave, we sit around at the coffee shop and gripe about the machinations of the FEDERAL government because most of us wonder where we lost America to the abuses oozing out of D.C. (The District of Criminals). The truth is, Dave, we let it happen too. A very trusting America allowed the bankers takeover which was orchestrated by the colluding politicians in semi-secret. Numerous folks have tried desparately to warn their fellow Americans but no one listened. Congressman McFadden, a former banker spoke out against the FEDERAL RESERVE fraud and they murdered him. Please read the following on WIKI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Congressman Charles Lindbergh, (the flyers dad) said: "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Woodrow Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."[6] Also quoted as:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."[citation needed] "A radical is one who speaks the truth."[6] "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve.[citation needed] "To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."[7] I'll close this message by asking you to share this with everyone that you sent the aforementioned e-mail to. It's easy enough to cast blame on others but the undeniable truth is we have all shared equally in the acceptance of the criminal behavior wielded by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the bankers that OWN them and also own most of us. Many refuse to believe that such a wicked paradigm shift could occur in America. And, to them I say it already has occurred and the ONLY WAY TO RETURN TO THE AMERICA WE ALL LOVE is to admit we have a problem and withdraw all support and participation in their criminal endeavor. There's a Bible passage, LUKE 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so:

The Socialist Security System calls you the beneficiary and Uncle Sambo the BENEFACTOR. But ye shall not be so.

It's truly time for all of us calling ourselves Christians to act like it. There's nothing Godly or American coming out of D.C. and I suggest that we get on our knees and ask our heavenly Father to give us our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses and mean it. I opted out of this criminal system nearly 30 years ago because I finally came to the conclusion that the SSN was likely the "MARK" of the Beast (the number of a man) or its precursor. [You better have it to buy or sell].

Regardless of the consequences of my decision, for me personally, I'm trusting God/Jesus rather than the bankers and their political puppets.

Doug Scheidt December 2, 2013 ... 100 years after the implementation of the FEDERAL RESERVE SATANIC SYSTEM.


Poster Comment:

The following e-mail was forwarded to me by an ex-city council guy and was also sent to all public officials - above is my response.

Gerry

Matt7:KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This requires no comment, other than "welcome aboard!"

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.

In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."

You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the millions.

This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."

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#106. To: Artisan (#101)

yeah, since paul's a mason he cannot be trusted.

people may deny he's a mason, but since his wife and daughters are admitted masons, duh, hes a mason. if I ever had the chance to see him, I would ask him on video if he is a mason. id ask the same of randy too.

I thought I saw a pic of you shaking hands with him. I'm not as convinced, as you've become, that he must be a Mason if his close family members are. Just tell me, please, who you think can be trusted.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   15:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Cynicom (#105)
(Edited)

It's been explained to you more than once that, at the time, Ron Paul not only had a commitment to represent his district as the Republican that they voted into office but that he had also signed agreements to not run third party in 2008, to gain ballot access in some states. Is that plain and simple enough yet?

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   16:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: GreyLmist (#107)

It's been explained to you more than once

I must consider that as an insult to my meager intelligence.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   17:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: GreyLmist (#106)

"When once men recognize, both in private and in public life, that Christ is King, society will at last receive the great blessings of real liberty, well- ordered discipline, peace and harmony." QUAS PRIMAS- ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS XI 'ON THE FEAST OF CHRIST THE KING.' December 11, 1925

God. :-)

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-13   17:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: GreyLmist (#106)

Just tell me, please, who you think can be trusted.

No FED can be trusted, period.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   18:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: GreyLmist (#100)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

You have tunnel vision and only see what you want to see.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   18:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Cynicom (#103)

There is but ONE party, following either wing is the cause that is ruining this country.

Someone said that , I know, but the name escapes me. It was to this effect, "The parties shall be rotated in power so as to make the people think there is change. In reality there is only one party, and we control them both." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   18:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: GreyLmist (#100) (Edited)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: BTP Holdings (#112)

It was to this effect, "The parties shall be rotated in power so as to make the people think there is change. In reality there is only one party, and we control them both." ;)

The ruling elite that own the government, love the dedicated patriotic party voters.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   19:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Cynicom (#114)

the dedicated patriotic party voters.

I was one of those for a long time. I have since seen the light. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: BTP Holdings (#115)

Even at my age, I can recall being schooled in the 1930s that it was a persons patriotic DUTY to vote.

We had brainwashing and programming way back then.

By voting, a voter is legitimizing this corrupt government, they are agreeing that there is no problem.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   19:36:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: GreyLmist (#95) (Edited)

I have a book titled, "Constitution, Fact or Fiction". It's been a long time since I've read it, so my memory is a bit fuzzy about its contents. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Cynicom (#1)

Nowadays there are no men of character to lead another Revolution.

The boss where I work said that the people have lost their courage. Not only that, but the children have been dumbed down by attending the schools. The school system is merely an indoctrination center. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   20:15:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: BTP Holdings (#118)

but the children have been dumbed down by attending the schools

Years ago they were called Public Schools.

Now they are tax payer funded factories, turning out damaged material.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   21:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Cynicom (#108)

It's been explained to you more than once

I must consider that as an insult to my meager intelligence.

It's simply a fact. No need for you to be insulted by it. My ability to communicate intelligently enough to convey what should be easily understandable without tedious repetitions is what's being insulted by your continual imperviousness about it. I'm sure that's not due to meager intelligence on your part so it appears that it's a failing of mine or something else like gaming for sport.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: GreyLmist (#120)

It's simply a fact

It was and is an insult.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-13   21:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: noone222 (#110)

Me at #106: Just tell me, please, who you think can be trusted.

Artisan at #109: God. :-)

noone at #110: No FED can be trusted, period.

I'm not going to argue against that advice, thank you very much. And now for a few words from two of our Founders:

Thomas Jefferson: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question."

James Madison: "If men were angels, no government would be necessary."

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom (#121)

It was and is an insult.

Well, it wasn't intended to be an insult so get over it and put it behind us so we can move on from there.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   21:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: BTP Holdings (#113) (Edited)

When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

What this is actually about is the default on WWI War Bond terms and an Unconstitutional, counterfeit scam devised to try and get around that by Congress pretending it was too complicated for them to regulate the gold value of our dollars, due to market fluctuations that really should have nothing to do with their stabilizing power to set the weights and measures of that commodity here for America's currency purposes. What's being called "a remedy" is really more like bribery or "hush munney" to play along with the gold heisters' Federal Reserve Note counterfeiting farce against our Constitution -- and also amounts to payolla for acting as reinforcements of the concocted "strawman" scheme to enrich all the "insider" profiteers and marketeers of it at the expense of everyone else of our country and the world who are harmed by it.

Edited for spelling and last sentence.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   22:44:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Cynicom (#123)

it wasn't intended to be an insult so get over it and put it behind us so we can move on from there.

P.S. I'm sincerely sorry you felt insulted by my opening remark and apologize for that.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   22:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#113) (Edited)

Me: I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

BTP Holdings: When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

These links are for the most relevant info on this subject that I could find since your post:

Wikipedia: Liberty bond | Default of the Fourth Liberty Bond

A Liberty Bond was a war bond that was sold in the United States to support the allied cause in World War I. Subscribing to the bonds became a symbol of patriotic duty in the United States and introduced the idea of financial securities to many citizens for the first time. The Act of Congress which authorized the Liberty Bonds is still used today as the authority under which all U.S. Treasury bonds are issued.

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

The first three Liberty bonds, and the Victory Loan, were retired during the course of the 1920s. However, because the terms of the bonds allowed them to be traded for the later bonds which had superior terms, most of the debt from the first, second, and third Liberty bonds was rolled into the fourth issue. As a result, the large majority of Liberty bond debt was still outstanding into the 1930s.

The terms of the bond included: "The principal and interest hereof are payable in United States gold coin of the present standard of value."[18] This type of "gold clause" was common in both public and private contracts of the time, and was intended to guarantee that bond-holders would not be harmed by a devaluation of the currency.

However, when the US Treasury called the fourth bond on April 15, 1934,[18] it defaulted on this term by refusing to redeem the bond in gold, and neither did it account for the devaluation of the dollar from $20.67 per troy ounce of gold (the 1918 standard of value) to $35 per ounce. The 21 million[2] bond holders therefore lost 139 million troy ounces of gold, or approximately 41% of the bond's principal. This was the equivalent of $2.866 billion (in 1918 dollars), or approximately $220 billion at the 2012 price of $1600 per ounce.

The legal basis for the refusal of the US Treasury to redeem in gold was House Joint Resolution 192, dated June 5, 1933.[19] The Supreme Court later held this to be unconstitutional under section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment.:[20]

We conclude that the Joint Resolution of June 5, 1933, insofar as it attempted to override the obligation created by the bond in suit, went beyond the congressional power.

—Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, Perry v United States, 294 US 330 (1935), Page 294 U. S. 354

However, due to Roosevelt's elimination of the open gold market, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[18]

Discussion thread on Perry v United States, etc., at savingtosuitorsclub.net: HJR-192 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court

focusoncommerce.net: aka House Joint Resolution 192 – PUBLIC LAW 73-10 [1 page version, easy reading format]

Approved, June 5, 1933, 4:40 p.m. 31 U.S.C.A. 462, 463

House Joint Resolution 192, 73d Congress, Sess. I, Ch. 48, June 5, 1933 (Public Law No. 10 )

Scribd docs: HJR-192.Original=1933-06-05 [multiple pages, includes Chapter 48-112]

Hard to Find Original Copy of House Joint Resolution 192 of 5th June 1933. Enjoy Having this Rare Document. Use it Wisely.

Note to Reader: Portions have been redacted to only show HJR 192.

House Joint Resolution #192 as passed by the 73rd Congress on June 5, 1933

What Follows is an Actual Copy of HJR192 as Originally Printed by the United States Government Printing Office in 1934

Note to Reader: Portions have been redacted to only show HJR 192.

Source: http://whatistaxed.servehttp.com/statutes_at_large/sal_1/E48_Statutes_at_Large. pdf

THE STATUTES AT LARGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

FROM MARCH 1933 to JUNE 1934

Scroll down to Public Laws: 112 73rd CONGRESS. SESS. I. CHS. 46-48. JUNE 3, 5, 1933.

[CHAPTER 48.]

Edit to remove a non-working Wikipedia link + for spacing.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   0:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Cynicom (#116)

Do you remember Father Coughlin? did you or your family listen to him? in the 30s?

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2013-12-14   4:35:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Artisan (#127)

Do you remember Father Coughlin?

I barely remember the name only, along with Lindbergh.

Of course with internet most knowledge is from there.

We had a battery powered radio, so listening time was limited.

FDR I recall well as my Father called him bad names.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-14   6:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: GreyLmist (#122)

Artisan at #109: God. :-)

noone at #110: No FED can be trusted, period.

I'll go with Artisan on this one.

The word government really says it all: Govern (control) Ment (mind) ... mind control.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-14   6:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: GreyLmist (#124)

What's being called "a remedy" is really more like bribery or "hush munney" to play along with the gold heisters' Federal Reserve Note counterfeiting farce against our Constitution -- and also amounts to payolla for acting as reinforcements of the concocted "strawman" scheme to enrich all the "insider" profiteers and marketeers of it at the expense of everyone else of our country and the world who are harmed by it.

You just don't get it. THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY! They must provide a remedy to this situation. It is as I have stated. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: GreyLmist (#126)

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

So, you still think that the attacks of 9-11-01 were a terrorist attack? Nonsense. Those attacks were fomented by the U.S. Government in order to provoke a war against Iraq, which was at the behest of Israel. Mohammed Atta could not even fly a Cessna. What makes you think he could fly a jumbo jet? ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:10:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: GreyLmist (#126)

From the link:

The key sentence is the final one.

Due to the significant restrictions placed on gold trading by Roosevelt's reforms, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[17] The ruling therefore had little practical effect.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: BTP Holdings (#131)

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

So, you still think that the attacks of 9-11-01 were a terrorist attack? Nonsense. Those attacks were fomented by the U.S. Government in order to provoke a war against Iraq, which was at the behest of Israel. Mohammed Atta could not even fly a Cessna. What makes you think he could fly a jumbo jet? ;)

I didn't write that. It was copied from the Liberty bond info at Wikipedia, along with the other segments which I posted here for that topic. The [1] at the end of the sentence is a reference to Footnote #1 at that Wikipedia page. Technically speaking, though, I actually do think that America was attacked by terrorists on 9/11/01 but likely not the bin Laden gang variety, as the official story goes. So, I think it's a matter of which terrorists and what happened how. That being said, I'm editing out the words of the sentence, copied below, that are confusingly suggestive of officialdom's storyline:

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   19:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: BTP Holdings (#132) (Edited)

From the link:

The key sentence is the final one.

Due to the significant restrictions placed on gold trading by Roosevelt's reforms, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[17] The ruling therefore had little practical effect.

The ruling had little practical effect for the bondholders who lost a lot of money. Afaik, SCOTUS ruled that the moving by Congress to alter the gold payment terms of those contracts after the bonds were already issued (with their asserted "remedy" of Federal Reserve Notes and whatnot other than gold as legal tender) was Unconstitutional, while at the same time SCOTUS aided and abetted the gold and gold standard heists, as well as the gold-value robberies of the bondholders. Yet another example of the the gov branches all doing wrong but the ruling that Congress acted Unconstitutionally was correct.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   19:56:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: BTP Holdings (#130) (Edited)

What's being called "a remedy" is really more like bribery or "hush munney" to play along with the gold heisters' Federal Reserve Note counterfeiting farce against our Constitution -- and also amounts to payolla for acting as reinforcements of the concocted "strawman" scheme to enrich all the "insider" profiteers and marketeers of it at the expense of everyone else of our country and the world who are harmed by it.

You just don't get it. THERE IS NO FUCKING MONEY! They must provide a remedy to this situation. It is as I have stated. ;)

A "remedy" so secret that who even knows about it and can access their "strawman" accounts? That's of no use to them but this is an example of how it works for the insiders, as explained at dailypaul.com:

they endorse the back of your promissory note and deposit it in a secret account in your name. Then 72 hrs. later, they call the Treasury Dept, and say "Hey, someone has abandoned this account, can we have it?", and the Treasury says "Sure, it's all yours!".

Then the crook bankers pillage that account for about 10 times more

What the UCC cottage industry aficionados accept as a money "remedy" is Federal Reserve Note kickbacks for their participation to keep the scam going -- making them accomplices, whether that's done knowingly or not.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   20:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: noone222 (#129)

The word government really says it all: Govern (control) Ment (mind) ... mind control.

That's interesting. I hadn't looked at it that way before. I still wouldn't vote for Anarchy instead, though.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   21:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: GreyLmist (#135)

A "remedy" so secret that who even knows about it and can access their "strawman" accounts? That's of no use to them but this is an example of how it works for the insiders, as explained at dailypaul.com:

they endorse the back of your promissory note and deposit it in a secret account in your name. Then 72 hrs. later, they call the Treasury Dept, and say "Hey, someone has abandoned this account, can we have it?", and the Treasury says "Sure, it's all yours!". Then the crook bankers pillage that account for about 10 times more

What the UCC cottage industry aficionados accept as a money "remedy" is Federal Reserve Note kickbacks for their participation to keep the scam going -- making them accomplices, whether that's done knowingly or not.

So, it is all a scam? I think not.

I've used these "Assignment of Account" documents to get rid of Court Claims, i.e. traffic fines. When they ignore the paperwork and fail to remove it from the record, we take them to task. It is a default judgment, which means they owe treble damages, for failing to remove the item from the record. I have one such issue in the St. Louis City Court presently. I have the receipts for mailing it to them. All I need to do now is to take them to task on this issue.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-15   14:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: GreyLmist (#136)

The word government really says it all: Govern (control) Ment (mind) ... mind control.

That's interesting. I hadn't looked at it that way before. I still wouldn't vote for Anarchy instead, though.

"Gotcha" don't they !

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-15   16:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: GreyLmist (#135) (Edited)

A "remedy" so secret that who even knows about it and can access their "strawman" accounts? That's of no use to them but this is an example of how it works for the insiders, as explained at dailypaul.com:

they endorse the back of your promissory note and deposit it in a secret account in your name. Then 72 hrs. later, they call the Treasury Dept, and say "Hey, someone has abandoned this account, can we have it?", and the Treasury says "Sure, it's all yours!".

Then the crook bankers pillage that account for about 10 times more

You know what? The way they tell it on dailypaul.com is exactly how it works. No lie. Your signature paid for the house when you signed the note. That is a fact. And the banksters are pillaging all of us. They use your signature to pay off the house and then they do just like it says, they go to the treasury department and say, "Look this property is abandoned." They are indeed BANKSTERS! ;)

BTW, the account they deposit the note into is made out to your ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME. This is your Strawman.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-15   16:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: noone222 (#138)

"Gotcha" don't they !

Nope. I'm camouflaged.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   1:47:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: BTP Holdings (#139)

You know what? The way they tell it on dailypaul.com is exactly how it works. No lie. Your signature paid for the house when you signed the note. That is a fact. And the banksters are pillaging all of us. They use your signature to pay off the house and then they do just like it says, they go to the treasury department and say, "Look this property is abandoned." They are indeed BANKSTERS! ;)

BTW, the account they deposit the note into is made out to your ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME. This is your Strawman.

You can probably see from that example how they don't really lose any money from mortgage defaults and didn't need to be bailed out. Also, how their abominable "strawman" mazes are surely not at all a "remedy" for our Republic.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   3:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: GreyLmist (#141)

You can probably see from that example how they don't really lose any money from mortgage defaults and didn't need to be bailed out. Also, how their abominable "strawman" mazes are surely not at all a "remedy" for our Republic.

When I got the last printout on my DL from the License Office here in town, they printed it out, and looking at it, you can see that they use UPPER and lower case letters until they get to your name. When they print out your name it is indeed in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. There is a reason for this. And that is how they distinguish you, the real, live person, from the STRAWMAN.

Think about the movie, "The Wizard of Oz". In it, you have the characters, Dorothy, the real, live person. And then the other characters, one of which is the Strawman. That movie was about how the UCC runs our life. All of the States have codified the UCC. It is that way in Missouri, as well as all the other 49 States. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-16   6:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: BTP Holdings (#137) (Edited)

So, it is all a scam? I think not.

I've used these "Assignment of Account" documents to get rid of Court Claims, i.e. traffic fines. When they ignore the paperwork and fail to remove it from the record, we take them to task. It is a default judgment, which means they owe treble damages, for failing to remove the item from the record. I have one such issue in the St. Louis City Court presently. I have the receipts for mailing it to them. All I need to do now is to take them to task on this issue.

They have corrupted America's governing -- judicially, monetarily and otherwise -- with their strawman monstrosities. What they get in return, for a few crumbs from their secretive-society tables to some of the well-intentioned people who try to work within that facade by those contrived rules, amounts to: the appearance of endorsing their scams as "legit".

Edited for punctuation.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   11:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: BTP Holdings (#142)

When I got the last printout on my DL from the License Office here in town, they printed it out, and looking at it, you can see that they use UPPER and lower case letters until they get to your name. When they print out your name it is indeed in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. There is a reason for this. And that is how they distinguish you, the real, live person, from the STRAWMAN.

Think about the movie, "The Wizard of Oz". In it, you have the characters, Dorothy, the real, live person. And then the other characters, one of which is the Strawman. That movie was about how the UCC runs our life. All of the States have codified the UCC. It is that way in Missouri, as well as all the other 49 States. ;)

If we established Constitutional Embassies/consulates in all of our States, they could help to educate more Americans about what's being done wrongfully.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-16   12:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: GreyLmist (#141)

The truth is that there ain't "NO MONEY" only credit. It's a system that only exists as long as people have "FAITH" in it. (Like 99.9% of the people).

The ALL CAPITAL NAME and the strawman stuff is reality but gets over-played by patriots. Another thing that happens is that some people may understand the real deal without having the ability to explain it so that people without a clue can comprehend it ... The folks that set this LEGAL / FRAUD in motion are geniuses that actually used the constitution against itself to do it and the folks they play it on are mullets ... it's fucking genius.

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-17   18:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: GreyLmist (#140)

Just because you're all lit up doesn't mean you're bright !

"A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities.

Thomas Jefferson

noone222  posted on  2013-12-17   18:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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