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Title: Response To an E-mail and sender e-mail list.
Source: Doug's E-Mail
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Published: Dec 2, 2013
Author: Doug Scheidt
Post Date: 2013-12-02 08:27:51 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 1644
Comments: 148

Dave,

The long and short of our current condition is that we have failed, as did the generation before us, to follow God's laws or rules respecting money and faith. The generation before us allowed the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to be implemented. Our generation has watched this behemoth take ownership of the country. Once the FEDERAL RESERVE became the creditor of the united States and virtual owner of it the individual States became like counties and lost their sovereignty. That's why there's forced FEDERAL integration which has destroyed the education system and taught the current generation to suck off of the government tit and approve socialist policies.

Everyone that you have sent this e-mail to is a card carrying socialist that is too blind to see their own reflection in the mirror. I'm not being mean, just truthful. If you're reading this and don't think you're a card carrying socialist open your wallet or purse and pull out that little card with 9 numbers that identify you. The truth is 99.9% of Americans are members of what I call the socialist democracy having left the democratic republic somewhere in the past. Today, children are given their socialist slave number at the hospital or didn't you notice ?

I liked the first scripture that your e-mail began with because I have often wondered just who it applied to. After healing the sick and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ he says "depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU. All that tells me is that the name of Jesus is powerful and even those so-called Christians that socialize at 501(c)(3) Churches [actually tax exempt corporations] on Sundays are fooling themselves and are hypocrites. I don't want to dwell on this issue but suffice it to say that GOD'S money has no business being managed by the government or taxed. Just one example of disobedience is the fact that these 501(c)(3) churches report the tithes of their congregation to the IRS. The Bible instructs us to give in secret not letting the left hand know what the right hand does. Another thing, tithers today get a TAX DEDUCTION for their donation. So if they get a tax deduction what did they really give ? The bottom line is that God is the boss, the owner of heaven and earth but the government wants you and I to believe they are god.

Well, that scripture (depart from me) applies to everyone that decided to trust the government (men) for their welfare instead of God. Above I mentioned money and faith as the reason for this country's demise. Let's further discuss the money. Today we use FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (which are promissory notes) to conduct our daily business. These notes are OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE which is a PRIVATE Bank that has recently made it impossible to think its under the control of we the people or even congress when Alan Greenspan told a congressman that neither he nor the FED answered to the U.S. Govt or the President. One thing that's imperative to understand is that "THERE AIN'T NO MONEY" - all there is are "worthless" promises (promissory notes) to pay. When we use this "currency" all we're doing is passing around DEBT for our instant needs that will be passed on to our descendants. Your e-mail mentioned 25 cent gasoline. I was a kid that pumped 25 cent gasoline but when it was paid for I got a silver quarter REAL MONEY. At that time we had silver money and our paper currency was silver certificates backed by silver. Take note that what we have today is a far cry from real money even though the bankers and politicians have made it look almost identical to our former currency. It is estimated that the "dollar" has lost 95% of its value since 1913 when the FEDERAL RESERVE was instituted.

It's time to discuss faith for a minute. Most people think of faith as a noun. If you simply believe in Jesus life / death and resurrection then you are guaranteed eternal life. Well, those people healing the sick and casting out demons in Jesus holy name BELIEVED didn't they ? I think faith is a verb, an action word wherein we live our lives as insructed by God/Jesus. God told us not to do usury. God told us to use equal weights and measures (which would include gold or silver money), but these NOTES we're using are financed at interest (usury) and through inflation and deflation (not equal weights or measures) are destroying America. Before I get into the SOCIAL(IST) SECURITY INSURANCE SYSTEM let me say I know you paid into it, so did I, so what ! This system asks you to trust man (Uncle Sambo) for your needs in old age. Keep in mind that this system didn't exist until 1935. Right here I need to digress for a moment. The united States was deemed bankrupt in 1933 just 20 years after the institution of the Federal Reserve, and on March 5, 1933 Roosevelt made the bankruptcy official by confiscating the nation's gold.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/c...tributor=Charleston+Voice

Part of Roosevelt's "NEW DEAL" was socialist security. Americans lined up for it and became socialists leaving behind their republican form of government. If you think the monetary problems we have are huge an even larger problem has occurred. We lost our constitution because of our monetary policies. There's a maxim in international law that basically states "the medium of exchange dictates the relevant law." What this means in practical terms is that when we conduct business utilizing Federal Reserve Notes, Credit Cards, Checks, Drafts, and etc., which are negotiable debt instruments otherwise known as COMMERCIAL INSTRUMENTS we are subject to COMMERCIAL LAW. This eliminates the constitution, common law and God's law. Is it satanic ? You betcha !!!!! Think about it you old geezers (I'm one too - hahaha) the FEDS never talked about taking our guns or making us get a permit or license to do anything before the 1933 Bankruptcy and Roosevelt's NEW SOCIALIST DEAL.

Today, Dave, we sit around at the coffee shop and gripe about the machinations of the FEDERAL government because most of us wonder where we lost America to the abuses oozing out of D.C. (The District of Criminals). The truth is, Dave, we let it happen too. A very trusting America allowed the bankers takeover which was orchestrated by the colluding politicians in semi-secret. Numerous folks have tried desparately to warn their fellow Americans but no one listened. Congressman McFadden, a former banker spoke out against the FEDERAL RESERVE fraud and they murdered him. Please read the following on WIKI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Congressman Charles Lindbergh, (the flyers dad) said: "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Woodrow Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."[6] Also quoted as:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."[citation needed] "A radical is one who speaks the truth."[6] "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve.[citation needed] "To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."[7] I'll close this message by asking you to share this with everyone that you sent the aforementioned e-mail to. It's easy enough to cast blame on others but the undeniable truth is we have all shared equally in the acceptance of the criminal behavior wielded by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the bankers that OWN them and also own most of us. Many refuse to believe that such a wicked paradigm shift could occur in America. And, to them I say it already has occurred and the ONLY WAY TO RETURN TO THE AMERICA WE ALL LOVE is to admit we have a problem and withdraw all support and participation in their criminal endeavor. There's a Bible passage, LUKE 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so:

The Socialist Security System calls you the beneficiary and Uncle Sambo the BENEFACTOR. But ye shall not be so.

It's truly time for all of us calling ourselves Christians to act like it. There's nothing Godly or American coming out of D.C. and I suggest that we get on our knees and ask our heavenly Father to give us our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses and mean it. I opted out of this criminal system nearly 30 years ago because I finally came to the conclusion that the SSN was likely the "MARK" of the Beast (the number of a man) or its precursor. [You better have it to buy or sell].

Regardless of the consequences of my decision, for me personally, I'm trusting God/Jesus rather than the bankers and their political puppets.

Doug Scheidt December 2, 2013 ... 100 years after the implementation of the FEDERAL RESERVE SATANIC SYSTEM.


Poster Comment:

The following e-mail was forwarded to me by an ex-city council guy and was also sent to all public officials - above is my response.

Gerry

Matt7:KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This requires no comment, other than "welcome aboard!"

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.

In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."

You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the millions.

This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."

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#1. To: noone222 (#0)

Well now, lot of grist for the mill.

Firstly, may I lead the applause for a job well done.

Secondly, until the day a majority of Americans finally realize, that the "GOVERNMENT" is the enemy, there will no change in our downward spiral.

We were given birth by a bloody REVOLUTION, why are we so afraid of another, to restore our birthright??????

The Revolution was fought by the masses, LED BY MEN OF CHARACTER,men that risked everything for freedom.

Nowadays there are no men of character to lead another Revolution.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   10:19:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Thanks, Cyni. I wish I could control myself sometimes but I think that's what a lot of people have been doing which has us where we are today. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings or call them names. What I want is my country back and the freedom once enjoyed in America before we got fat, dumb, and sassy.

The fact that it doesn't look like many will resist the banker tyranny makes it very difficult for those who will resist.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   10:35:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

I wish I could control myself

Nonsense...

When a man expresses himself verbally, it is most often difficult to ascertain his true intent.

However, expression by writing takes THOUGHT and is more accurate a barometer of his intent, his feelings and his intellect.

Addendum to your epistle.

Cong. Lindbergh was from MN, was run out of Congress by a media onslaught nationwide, led by the Jew owned New York Times. At least one attempt was made on his life.

You might think about this.

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   10:55:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#3)

In the past 100 years, several men of note have tried to awaken America about the Fed Res. All but one have been threatened, shot at, poisoned and or assassinated, ......EXCEPT ONE....

The "ONE" fooled me once. We, CadetD and I, supported him both financially and politically. (CadetD more than I) throughout the 1st Presidential run only to have him piss down his leg at just the wrong time. CadetD had driven to Houston as a delegate only to have Ron drop out before she even arrived.

Fool me once ....

Someone mentioned "I think they threatened him" well they all get threats especially after being elected. If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-02   12:18:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#8)

If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

Ron Paul never withdrew from a Presidential race.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-04   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-04   17:52:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

He didn't cop out. His enemies spun it that way hyperbolically whenever he had to streamline his campaign and focus to do what he could with the limited finances that he had and the more formidable delegate obstacle-course devised against him by party controllers, as compared to the bigger monied candidates. Their misdirectional yammerings caused the copping out of many from his support base like Sunshine Patriots:

used in the essay "The American Crisis" by Thomas Paine in winter 1776 during the uncertain times of the American revolution.

Sunshine Patriot refers to individuals who claim to fight against tyranny on the side of freedom, yet are unable to stick it out when the going gets tough or unfavorable.

These individuals will "shrink from the service of their country" when conditions are bad or uncomfortable for them.

Even the domineering election riggers could be defeated if more Patriots were determined to participate enough to do that.

Thomas Jefferson quote: "We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate" -- or not.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

Our real government is the Constitution, not the holographic sham of criminal elements that masquerade as the Federal Government.

Edited for grammar.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   14:39:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   14:46:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Not getting enough delegates to win the Republican nomination doesn't equate to a cop out. Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June and that he was still a candidate in the general elections to the extent that he could be. Even Wikipedia notes him as the only one that did not formally suspend or withdraw their candidacy after the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. Your continual ahistorical distortions are dimly reflective of your mettle, not Ron Paul's. Please stop your miseducational dumbing down of America for your own sake if you can't manage to do that for our Republic.

Edited the Wikipedia link + for grammar and spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   15:45:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   15:55:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#32)

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   16:12:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GreyLmist (#34)

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   16:29:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#35) (Edited)

Davy Jones -- gone but not forgot. Thanks for the nostalgic memorabilia. Back to your post:

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

So, what you've essentially said above is that you weren't there yourself but still faithfully believe without supporting evidence (other than the secondhand fairytale reports you heard broadcast by media tricksters) that your roomie wasn't snookered or snookering you. Well, I don't know what else to say right now to make you feel better about my never ending support of Ron Paul, as I'd rather you did. I reckon the best thing for me to do about that is to soon get back to condensing my Ron Paul election-history post-project down to one portable link for untangling the chronic misperceptions of his foes.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   19:29:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

No, I meant exactly what I said.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   20:49:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: noone222 (#44) (Edited)

No, I meant exactly what I said.

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida Convention. Sorry if I was mistaken about your comment. However, I haven't listened to the entire 1/2 hour video yet but am still not understanding how a February 2012 Ron Paul rally in St. Cloud, MN, long before the FL Republican convention in September, was somehow considered by you as dodging the 2008 action. Maybe you meant to post a different video?? I've never heard it suggested that McCain, Romney, et al., should have held their campaign rallies in closer conjunction with Ron Paul's to be viewed esteemably enough to pass muster as other than contemptible cowards. Btw, I differ with the opening speaker in that video because I think the Constitution's Champion, Ron Paul, is even better in some ways than a Thomas Jefferson of our time.

Thomas Jefferson despotic tree-hugger quote, believe it or not:

“I wish I was a despot that I might save the noble, the beautiful trees that are daily falling sacrifice to the cupidity of their owners, or the necessity of the poor. The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder.”

"...or the necessity of the poor." Rather callous of him, I'd say, considering how much trees were needed back then to keep people from freezing and adequately sheltered.

Edited for various paragraphical revisions + for formatting and apostrophe correction.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   21:38:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GreyLmist (#46)

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida

You're right.

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:07:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: noone222, Cynicom (#52)

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

Not actively campaigning isn't the equivalent of a withdrawl and, unlike others, he stayed in the races even though he didn't have the delegate counts needed to win the nominations. All of which apparently means nothing to some of the very same people who would probably call it unfair or even a violation of their voting rights if third party candidates were eliminated as options because they couldn't make a big enough spending "splash". In times past, the most a candidate could do was take a train ride to a State (if there happened to be a railroad available in that area) and circulate some publications of their speeches. Our Constitution doesn't say that our elections are subject to the transportation and technological advancements of the times. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate in all of American history who was expected to campaign everywhere the entire time, whether he could financially afford it or not, or he'd no longer be considered a candidate even by his supposed supporters -- as if internet access wasn't a good enough means of outreach. The worst of candidates were never, afaik, held to such unreasonable standards but this is how "Patriots" encourage more Champions of the Constitution?

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests. Campaigning against Ron Paul and funding contributions to him so that he could only achieve very few convention and general election votes officially, then blaming him instead of yourselves for Obama's re-selection is a cop out, as well as mindboggling. Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure. In 2008, Ron Paul ran two campaigns -- one for President and one for Congress -- when it was clear that McCain would get the nomination. No one was prevented from voting for Ron Paul in the remaining Presidential Primaries/Caucuses, nor from trying to become a delegate for him because he "withrew" or didn't campaign in their district/State and that is a fact. I'm grateful that he was at least able to return to Congress then to continue representing the Constitution for America, not just Texas.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:11:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests.

You're impossible.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:13:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: noone222 (#55)

You're impossible.

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:25:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222 (#58)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

I thought I was wrong once, but I found out later I was mistaken. lol Just joking. :)

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:58:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: GreyLmist (#60)

I don't know much about the Montana Freemen case but the last name of "Beam" associated with it is a big red flag, imo.

I haven't ever met the Mr. Beam you speak of, however I think he's a white supremacist writer. I may have even read some of his material at some time or another. If this is the same person all I can say is that the "Freemen" held classes related to government, law, and banking tyranny. Their focus was not on ethnicity though it was discussed. The Freemen were "separatists" (as am I) that had the ridiculous belief that they should be free to choose their friends or employees even if they were all white.

[Every clause of the Bill of Rights is abused in your face every day. To me, this is a BIG RED FLAG that says - What Constitution ? ]

I won't discuss with you anymore regarding the Con-sti-stupid because you imagine it exists while the reality and all activities of D.C. say is it doesn't exist in a fiat monetary society.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, the Constitution requires a monetary system with backing (silver/gold). Any variance destroys the Constitution for all practical purposes because it is an all or nothing document. [Notice how the politicians scream about Obama giving waivers to his friends to exempt them from the law, calling him a dictator (which the banks really are), while they remain silent about the waiver given the bankers to create our currency at interest and by doing so USURPING or CIRCUMVENTING the CON - sti - stupid.

Truth be told, we are free to choose life in a democratic republic based upon the Constitution, or the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY under commercial law and owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. 99% have chosen a form of socialism that's really not very democratic at this time.

where I think it fell off the mark is that a charge was mail fraud and the Postal service is a wholly Federal jurisdiction.

1st, anyone with a hornbook knowledge of police tactics knows that trumped up charges and lying cops are standard procedure. Second, mail fraud is alleged in almost all tax cases because the "charge" relegates the trial to a FEDERAL jurisdiction whether the "CHARGE" is true or not. (Try to recall the Branch Davidians being raided and Governor Ann Richards told they had a meth lab, or Randy Weaver being set up by the FEDs to modify a shotgun which shouldn't even be illegal under the CON-sti-stupid, which got his son and wife murdered, and resulted in a 3 million dollar award to Weaver for the wrong doing of the FEDERALES).

Here again, you tend to "believe" the liars that have you and the rest of us in an electronic cage. I want out while you want more yard time.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-10   4:57:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: noone222 (#64) (Edited)

I won't discuss with you anymore regarding the Con-sti-stupid because you imagine it exists while the reality and all activities of D.C. say is it doesn't exist in a fiat monetary society.

Again, and hopefully for the last time, the Constitution requires a monetary system with backing (silver/gold). Any variance destroys the Constitution for all practical purposes because it is an all or nothing document.

:( Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers? I say give them all of their money back and issue new money that's Constitutionally sound for our independent use, not theirs. Seems simple enough to me.

[Notice how the politicians scream about Obama giving waivers to his friends to exempt them from the law, calling him a dictator (which the banks really are), while they remain silent about the waiver given the bankers to create our currency at interest and by doing so USURPING or CIRCUMVENTING the CON - sti - stupid.

Truth be told, we are free to choose life in a democratic republic based upon the Constitution, or the SOCIALIST DEMOCRACY under commercial law and owned by the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. 99% have chosen a form of socialism that's really not very democratic at this time.

Again, you are overlooking those who don't really have much choice unless we can arrange for better alternatives...the orphaned, the elderly, the sick, the handicapped, the underemployed, the unemployed, the destitute, the homeless.

Edited to expand last sentence.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   11:13:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: noone222 (#66)

Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers?

The more I think about that, the more you're reminding me of that judge I errantly presumed had the same basic concept about my inherent rights that I did. So, I'm going to tell you now the same thing I told him: I didn't commit a crime and I'm not paying any fine because somebody else did. He didn't change his decision and you might not either but I'm asking anyway on what grounds you base your complaints about the money system, or anything else the .guv scalawags do or not anarchically, if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-11   12:03:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: GreyLmist (#67)

Why am I being punished because they're Constitution lawbreakers?

You're not being punished. You're reaping what you sew. You use the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and the SOCIALIST SECURITY SYSTEM amongst other systems that YOU JOINED or APPLIED for.

You want the judges to alter the law for you. You want to claim the protections afforded under the Constitution while you operate your entire life outside of it. The Constitution guarantees that the government will not inhibit contracts. You have contractual agreements with banking institutions and others which cause you to forfeit constitutional protections that aren't agreed upon in the contracts you've agreed to. The judges are without choice because they're required to follow the LAW.

There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-11   15:17:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: noone222 (#68) (Edited)

You want the judges to alter the law for you.

I want them to stop transgressing Constitutional law with their alterations.

You want to claim the protections afforded under the Constitution while you operate your entire life outside of it. The Constitution guarantees that the government will not inhibit contracts. You have contractual agreements with banking institutions and others which cause you to forfeit constitutional protections that aren't agreed upon in the contracts you've agreed to. The judges are without choice because they're required to follow the LAW.

Evidently, you don't contractually consider the Constitution as being the superseding Party of the First Part but I do and no contractors or judges are exempt from its terms. In fact, institutions are further subject to Congressional regulations.

There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

Like "Free Speech Zones" and "Constitution Free Zones" 100 miles in from our borders? I have to disagree. Am thinking, though, that it would be a good thing if we established some Constitutional Embassies in every State.

Edited for spelling.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   12:59:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: GreyLmist (#73)

Evidently, you don't contractually consider the Constitution as being the superseding Party of the First Part but I do and no contractors or judges are exempt from its terms. In fact, institutions are further subject to Congressional regulations.

You were not a signatory and therefore you cannot be a party to the Constitution.

All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-12   13:28:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: noone222 (#76) (Edited)

You were not a signatory and therefore you cannot be a party to the Constitution.

I'm always amazed when people say that, as if they think the Preamble, which states: "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity", stops at "ourselves" or like the "We the People" part now refers to some aristocratic bloodline of the Founders' direct descendents where they mentioned their Posterity. lol Not so.

All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

Edited sentence 1.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-12   14:27:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: GreyLmist (#79)

How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

I don't understand the question.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   5:22:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: noone222 (#87)

Me: How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

You: I don't understand the question.

Recap...

Me at #67: on what grounds [do] you base your complaints about the money system, or anything else the .guv scalawags do or not anarchically, if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

You at #68: There is a Constitution, it's just that hardly anyone qualifies for its protection because they've opted to act in an environment where no constitution exists.

Me at #73: Like "Free Speech Zones" and "Constitution Free Zones" 100 miles in from our borders? I have to disagree. Am thinking, though, that it would be a good thing if we established some Constitutional Embassies in every State.

You at #76: All of the nonsense about free speech zones and etc., is applicable to everyone that has some nexus agreement of any sort that ties them to the FED Govt.

Me at #79: How about the Constitutional Embassies suggestion? [Ref. #73] Can I get a "Yes" vote from you on that?

Embassies/consulates of the Constitution in our States could serve as reminders for the public that America is not a "Constitution Free Zone" and could serve too as information centers about our real form of government. Constitutionalists could all be considered Ambassadors. Perhaps they could even intervene diplomatically in matters of rights violations.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   11:42:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: GreyLmist (#95) (Edited)

if you really think the Constitution doesn't exist because they defiantly act like it doesn't.

If you'll recall, I said there is a Constitution, but very few qualify for the protections it offers.

The original form of government was a democratic republic under the Constitution. Incrementally the people optioned out by making arrangements generally for some form of security or convenience.

The STATES have become subsidiaries (like counties) belonging to the FEDERAL (not national) Government in Washington, D.C. ... that's why the judges in STATE courts do business utilizing commercial paper rather than gold or silver coin.

You can get by using the paper currency (FRNs) because there's no signature on anything that can be used as evidence of a contract with the strawman signed and authorized by the (natural man) agent. (Bank Accounts and Credit Cards always require a sig-nature. (Mark of the natural man).

Truth is if you don't want to go to hell, don't do business with the devil.

I've argued that an honest judge would simply come out and give the precise reasons the constitution doesn't apply in any given case ... but they don't.

EDIT: I asked about the driver license thing because it's the most common of violations charged and all of the OLD court cases refer to it as something commercial, not requiring a license. That being said, the courts rule against all constitutional claims knowing that the appellate process is ridiculously complex and time consuming so that few will ever survive the guantlet. Somewhere aling the line they'll find a nexus between commerce and the appellant.

When you understand the Social Security is an INSURANCE SCHEME and that all insurance is commercial it becomes clear that everyone with a driver license also has an SSN and is involved in commerce.

noone222  posted on  2013-12-13   12:51:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: noone222 (#97)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution. So, was that like a "No" vote on the Constitutional Embassies/consulates suggestion?

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-13   14:20:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: GreyLmist (#100) (Edited)

I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-13   19:09:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: BTP Holdings, 4 (#113) (Edited)

Me: I see the UCC cottage industry of strawman-boondoggle adherents as reinforcers of fictional rule by those moving to overthrow our Constitution.

BTP Holdings: When they abrogated the gold standard in 1933, they passed HJR 192. HJR 192 was repealed, but the remedy lies in the U.S. Code at Chap. 48, 48 Stat. 112 . But, since HJR 192 was repealed, they still have to provide a remedy, and that is found in the U.S. Code as stated.

The UCC has a purpose, and that is what you do not see clearly. The U.S. government creates an account for everyone using their ALL CAPITAL LETTER NAME.

This is the so-called "strawman".

They fund this account and use the money for whatever they want. If you know how to access that account, you can use it to pay any claim the state or federal governments have, or even Claims of the Courts, i.e. traffic fines. This is called an "assignment of account" and there is case law that states this is a valid payment.

HJR 192 was a resolution. Chap. 48, 48 Stat 112 is a Public Law. ;)

These links are for the most relevant info on this subject that I could find since your post:

Wikipedia: Liberty bond | Default of the Fourth Liberty Bond

A Liberty Bond was a war bond that was sold in the United States to support the allied cause in World War I. Subscribing to the bonds became a symbol of patriotic duty in the United States and introduced the idea of financial securities to many citizens for the first time. The Act of Congress which authorized the Liberty Bonds is still used today as the authority under which all U.S. Treasury bonds are issued.

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

The first three Liberty bonds, and the Victory Loan, were retired during the course of the 1920s. However, because the terms of the bonds allowed them to be traded for the later bonds which had superior terms, most of the debt from the first, second, and third Liberty bonds was rolled into the fourth issue. As a result, the large majority of Liberty bond debt was still outstanding into the 1930s.

The terms of the bond included: "The principal and interest hereof are payable in United States gold coin of the present standard of value."[18] This type of "gold clause" was common in both public and private contracts of the time, and was intended to guarantee that bond-holders would not be harmed by a devaluation of the currency.

However, when the US Treasury called the fourth bond on April 15, 1934,[18] it defaulted on this term by refusing to redeem the bond in gold, and neither did it account for the devaluation of the dollar from $20.67 per troy ounce of gold (the 1918 standard of value) to $35 per ounce. The 21 million[2] bond holders therefore lost 139 million troy ounces of gold, or approximately 41% of the bond's principal. This was the equivalent of $2.866 billion (in 1918 dollars), or approximately $220 billion at the 2012 price of $1600 per ounce.

The legal basis for the refusal of the US Treasury to redeem in gold was House Joint Resolution 192, dated June 5, 1933.[19] The Supreme Court later held this to be unconstitutional under section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment.:[20]

We conclude that the Joint Resolution of June 5, 1933, insofar as it attempted to override the obligation created by the bond in suit, went beyond the congressional power.

—Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, Perry v United States, 294 US 330 (1935), Page 294 U. S. 354

However, due to Roosevelt's elimination of the open gold market, the Court ruled that the bond-holders' loss was unquantifiable, and that to repay them in dollars according to the 1918 standard of value would be an "unjustified enrichment".[18]

Discussion thread on Perry v United States, etc., at savingtosuitorsclub.net: HJR-192 was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court

focusoncommerce.net: aka House Joint Resolution 192 – PUBLIC LAW 73-10 [1 page version, easy reading format]

Approved, June 5, 1933, 4:40 p.m. 31 U.S.C.A. 462, 463

House Joint Resolution 192, 73d Congress, Sess. I, Ch. 48, June 5, 1933 (Public Law No. 10 )

Scribd docs: HJR-192.Original=1933-06-05 [multiple pages, includes Chapter 48-112]

Hard to Find Original Copy of House Joint Resolution 192 of 5th June 1933. Enjoy Having this Rare Document. Use it Wisely.

Note to Reader: Portions have been redacted to only show HJR 192.

House Joint Resolution #192 as passed by the 73rd Congress on June 5, 1933

What Follows is an Actual Copy of HJR192 as Originally Printed by the United States Government Printing Office in 1934

Note to Reader: Portions have been redacted to only show HJR 192.

Source: http://whatistaxed.servehttp.com/statutes_at_large/sal_1/E48_Statutes_at_Large. pdf

THE STATUTES AT LARGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

FROM MARCH 1933 to JUNE 1934

Scroll down to Public Laws: 112 73rd CONGRESS. SESS. I. CHS. 46-48. JUNE 3, 5, 1933.

[CHAPTER 48.]

Edit to remove a non-working Wikipedia link + for spacing.

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-14   0:22:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: GreyLmist (#126)

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

So, you still think that the attacks of 9-11-01 were a terrorist attack? Nonsense. Those attacks were fomented by the U.S. Government in order to provoke a war against Iraq, which was at the behest of Israel. Mohammed Atta could not even fly a Cessna. What makes you think he could fly a jumbo jet? ;)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2013-12-14   12:10:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: BTP Holdings (#131)

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

So, you still think that the attacks of 9-11-01 were a terrorist attack? Nonsense. Those attacks were fomented by the U.S. Government in order to provoke a war against Iraq, which was at the behest of Israel. Mohammed Atta could not even fly a Cessna. What makes you think he could fly a jumbo jet? ;)

I didn't write that. It was copied from the Liberty bond info at Wikipedia, along with the other segments which I posted here for that topic. The [1] at the end of the sentence is a reference to Footnote #1 at that Wikipedia page. Technically speaking, though, I actually do think that America was attacked by terrorists on 9/11/01 but likely not the bin Laden gang variety, as the official story goes. So, I think it's a matter of which terrorists and what happened how. That being said, I'm editing out the words of the sentence, copied below, that are confusingly suggestive of officialdom's storyline:

Securities, also known as Liberty Bonds, were issued in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks to finance the rebuilding of the areas affected.[1]

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