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Title: Response To an E-mail and sender e-mail list.
Source: Doug's E-Mail
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Published: Dec 2, 2013
Author: Doug Scheidt
Post Date: 2013-12-02 08:27:51 by noone222
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Views: 1627
Comments: 148

Dave,

The long and short of our current condition is that we have failed, as did the generation before us, to follow God's laws or rules respecting money and faith. The generation before us allowed the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK to be implemented. Our generation has watched this behemoth take ownership of the country. Once the FEDERAL RESERVE became the creditor of the united States and virtual owner of it the individual States became like counties and lost their sovereignty. That's why there's forced FEDERAL integration which has destroyed the education system and taught the current generation to suck off of the government tit and approve socialist policies.

Everyone that you have sent this e-mail to is a card carrying socialist that is too blind to see their own reflection in the mirror. I'm not being mean, just truthful. If you're reading this and don't think you're a card carrying socialist open your wallet or purse and pull out that little card with 9 numbers that identify you. The truth is 99.9% of Americans are members of what I call the socialist democracy having left the democratic republic somewhere in the past. Today, children are given their socialist slave number at the hospital or didn't you notice ?

I liked the first scripture that your e-mail began with because I have often wondered just who it applied to. After healing the sick and casting out demons in the name of Jesus Christ he says "depart from me, for I NEVER KNEW YOU. All that tells me is that the name of Jesus is powerful and even those so-called Christians that socialize at 501(c)(3) Churches [actually tax exempt corporations] on Sundays are fooling themselves and are hypocrites. I don't want to dwell on this issue but suffice it to say that GOD'S money has no business being managed by the government or taxed. Just one example of disobedience is the fact that these 501(c)(3) churches report the tithes of their congregation to the IRS. The Bible instructs us to give in secret not letting the left hand know what the right hand does. Another thing, tithers today get a TAX DEDUCTION for their donation. So if they get a tax deduction what did they really give ? The bottom line is that God is the boss, the owner of heaven and earth but the government wants you and I to believe they are god.

Well, that scripture (depart from me) applies to everyone that decided to trust the government (men) for their welfare instead of God. Above I mentioned money and faith as the reason for this country's demise. Let's further discuss the money. Today we use FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES (which are promissory notes) to conduct our daily business. These notes are OWNED by the FEDERAL RESERVE which is a PRIVATE Bank that has recently made it impossible to think its under the control of we the people or even congress when Alan Greenspan told a congressman that neither he nor the FED answered to the U.S. Govt or the President. One thing that's imperative to understand is that "THERE AIN'T NO MONEY" - all there is are "worthless" promises (promissory notes) to pay. When we use this "currency" all we're doing is passing around DEBT for our instant needs that will be passed on to our descendants. Your e-mail mentioned 25 cent gasoline. I was a kid that pumped 25 cent gasoline but when it was paid for I got a silver quarter REAL MONEY. At that time we had silver money and our paper currency was silver certificates backed by silver. Take note that what we have today is a far cry from real money even though the bankers and politicians have made it look almost identical to our former currency. It is estimated that the "dollar" has lost 95% of its value since 1913 when the FEDERAL RESERVE was instituted.

It's time to discuss faith for a minute. Most people think of faith as a noun. If you simply believe in Jesus life / death and resurrection then you are guaranteed eternal life. Well, those people healing the sick and casting out demons in Jesus holy name BELIEVED didn't they ? I think faith is a verb, an action word wherein we live our lives as insructed by God/Jesus. God told us not to do usury. God told us to use equal weights and measures (which would include gold or silver money), but these NOTES we're using are financed at interest (usury) and through inflation and deflation (not equal weights or measures) are destroying America. Before I get into the SOCIAL(IST) SECURITY INSURANCE SYSTEM let me say I know you paid into it, so did I, so what ! This system asks you to trust man (Uncle Sambo) for your needs in old age. Keep in mind that this system didn't exist until 1935. Right here I need to digress for a moment. The united States was deemed bankrupt in 1933 just 20 years after the institution of the Federal Reserve, and on March 5, 1933 Roosevelt made the bankruptcy official by confiscating the nation's gold.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/c...tributor=Charleston+Voice

Part of Roosevelt's "NEW DEAL" was socialist security. Americans lined up for it and became socialists leaving behind their republican form of government. If you think the monetary problems we have are huge an even larger problem has occurred. We lost our constitution because of our monetary policies. There's a maxim in international law that basically states "the medium of exchange dictates the relevant law." What this means in practical terms is that when we conduct business utilizing Federal Reserve Notes, Credit Cards, Checks, Drafts, and etc., which are negotiable debt instruments otherwise known as COMMERCIAL INSTRUMENTS we are subject to COMMERCIAL LAW. This eliminates the constitution, common law and God's law. Is it satanic ? You betcha !!!!! Think about it you old geezers (I'm one too - hahaha) the FEDS never talked about taking our guns or making us get a permit or license to do anything before the 1933 Bankruptcy and Roosevelt's NEW SOCIALIST DEAL.

Today, Dave, we sit around at the coffee shop and gripe about the machinations of the FEDERAL government because most of us wonder where we lost America to the abuses oozing out of D.C. (The District of Criminals). The truth is, Dave, we let it happen too. A very trusting America allowed the bankers takeover which was orchestrated by the colluding politicians in semi-secret. Numerous folks have tried desparately to warn their fellow Americans but no one listened. Congressman McFadden, a former banker spoke out against the FEDERAL RESERVE fraud and they murdered him. Please read the following on WIKI:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Thomas_McFadden

Congressman Charles Lindbergh, (the flyers dad) said: "This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Woodrow Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."[6] Also quoted as:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."[citation needed] "A radical is one who speaks the truth."[6] "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve.[citation needed] "To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate of interest. It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the coming change, either up or down. This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they control finance."[7] I'll close this message by asking you to share this with everyone that you sent the aforementioned e-mail to. It's easy enough to cast blame on others but the undeniable truth is we have all shared equally in the acceptance of the criminal behavior wielded by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and the bankers that OWN them and also own most of us. Many refuse to believe that such a wicked paradigm shift could occur in America. And, to them I say it already has occurred and the ONLY WAY TO RETURN TO THE AMERICA WE ALL LOVE is to admit we have a problem and withdraw all support and participation in their criminal endeavor. There's a Bible passage, LUKE 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so:

The Socialist Security System calls you the beneficiary and Uncle Sambo the BENEFACTOR. But ye shall not be so.

It's truly time for all of us calling ourselves Christians to act like it. There's nothing Godly or American coming out of D.C. and I suggest that we get on our knees and ask our heavenly Father to give us our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses and mean it. I opted out of this criminal system nearly 30 years ago because I finally came to the conclusion that the SSN was likely the "MARK" of the Beast (the number of a man) or its precursor. [You better have it to buy or sell].

Regardless of the consequences of my decision, for me personally, I'm trusting God/Jesus rather than the bankers and their political puppets.

Doug Scheidt December 2, 2013 ... 100 years after the implementation of the FEDERAL RESERVE SATANIC SYSTEM.


Poster Comment:

The following e-mail was forwarded to me by an ex-city council guy and was also sent to all public officials - above is my response.

Gerry

Matt7:KJV

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them , I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This requires no comment, other than "welcome aboard!"

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data released Monday. If all of us “old farts” have all of the money, then let us try to elect someone who might be near honest and not be after feathering their own nests.

They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies, geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time. We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were. We have worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together. Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.

In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age. Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk and ice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off. We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam. We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag. We know the words to the Star Spangled Banner, America , and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing. We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America.

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us. We took oaths to defend America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep. There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."

You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool-Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.

This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.

Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2014 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get where we're going, and in 2014 we're going to the polls by the millions.

This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom. We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, Stand up, put your hand over your heart, honor our country, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Grey-Haired Brigade."

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#18. To: randge (#13)

By 2016 the nation will be so disenchanted with the leftward lurch in policy that they'll be ready to troop to the right. That rightward tilt is to include a readiness for WAR which Radar seems to forestall at the moment, but for which he leaves the door wide open.

Spot on...

Best indicator of what you wrote????

Ten million fewer whites voted for Obama in 2012 vs 2008.

Over two millions fewer whites voted for Rumney over what McKook got.

There is a good chunk of voters waiting for redemption.

Add non voters looking for a Messiah and we are ripe for a landslide "conservative" to save all of us.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   18:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom, 4 (#18)

...we are ripe for a landslide "conservative" to save all of us.

I have no clue as to whom that might be.

The ones I've read about have all taken the beanie.

No thanks, Rand, Ted, Mike, et al.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-02   18:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lod (#19)

I have no clue as to whom that might be.

Me either, except...

Note I said conservative in quotes?????

We have two years in which to paint and lipstick some pig, making them look like the Messiah.

Any pig would now look like a "conservative" compared to Obummer.

Will the electorate get fooled one more time?????????

Yep, you betcha, done deal.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-02   18:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#12)

Why on earth would the elite run, a red queer that happens to be black, for president

It dawned on me that maybe the new flag of the USSA will be Red, White, and Black w/ a yellow fringe to represent the populace.

Indians/Mexicans - Caucasions - Negroes - Asians

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-03   6:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Lod (#16)

The derailed train was doing 82MPH on a 30MPH curve.

Maybe the guy had a dyslexia attack and thought he was doing 28 ... (sarc)

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-03   6:47:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#12)

They "elected" a spade in order to lessen the shock of placing Hillary in the oval office?

Support bacteria.

(The world needs more culture)

Obnoxicated  posted on  2013-12-03   23:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Obnoxicated (#23) (Edited)

I think that electing a white lesbian (Hitlery) in 2008 would have been the prelude to promoting the shoeshine boy to the massa's office.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2013-12-03   23:38:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#12)

a red queer that happens to be black

LOL

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2013-12-04   0:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#8)

The "ONE"

thomas.loc.gov:

106th Congress (1999 - 2000) H.R.1148

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 3/17/1999)
Cosponsors (None)

110th Congress (2007 - 2008) H.R.2755

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 6/15/2007)
Cosponsors (None)

111th Congress (2009 - 2010) H.R.833

Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act
Sponsor: Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] (introduced 2/3/2009)
Cosponsors (None)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-04   13:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#8)

If an educated and politically wise Ron Paul thought he moght have to withdraw upon threat ... he shouldn't have even run.

Ron Paul never withdrew from a Presidential race.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-04   14:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: GreyLmist (#27) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-04   17:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28) (Edited)

Tiff, tiff, he ran in the (Republican) Presidential Primary - twice - and copped out both times when he was actually gathering momentum.

He didn't cop out. His enemies spun it that way hyperbolically whenever he had to streamline his campaign and focus to do what he could with the limited finances that he had and the more formidable delegate obstacle-course devised against him by party controllers, as compared to the bigger monied candidates. Their misdirectional yammerings caused the copping out of many from his support base like Sunshine Patriots:

used in the essay "The American Crisis" by Thomas Paine in winter 1776 during the uncertain times of the American revolution.

Sunshine Patriot refers to individuals who claim to fight against tyranny on the side of freedom, yet are unable to stick it out when the going gets tough or unfavorable.

These individuals will "shrink from the service of their country" when conditions are bad or uncomfortable for them.

Even the domineering election riggers could be defeated if more Patriots were determined to participate enough to do that.

Thomas Jefferson quote: "We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate" -- or not.

The FEDERAL GOVT IS CRIMINAL including congress - the entire thing.

Our real government is the Constitution, not the holographic sham of criminal elements that masquerade as the Federal Government.

Edited for grammar.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   14:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#29)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   14:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Cynicom (#30) (Edited)

He didn't cop out.

Sure. Right.

Everyone believes that. cough cough

Not getting enough delegates to win the Republican nomination doesn't equate to a cop out. Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June and that he was still a candidate in the general elections to the extent that he could be. Even Wikipedia notes him as the only one that did not formally suspend or withdraw their candidacy after the 2012 Republican presidential nomination. Your continual ahistorical distortions are dimly reflective of your mettle, not Ron Paul's. Please stop your miseducational dumbing down of America for your own sake if you can't manage to do that for our Republic.

Edited the Wikipedia link + for grammar and spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   15:45:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Anyone paying proper attention and not in willful denial of the historical facts can verify that his campaign phase was still active both times through the last of the State Primary votes in June

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   15:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: GreyLmist (#29) (Edited)

I'll refrain from cursing even though my gut is screaming to do so. You always reference the CON-job as our law while it's obvious to the casual observer that it's ignored to such an extent its existence is in question.

Then you reference the founders and others of that era that found it necessary to resort to military tactics not referendums.

Ron Paul was nothing more than a means of keeping the somewhat aware public busy stroking theirselves while the OTHER gangsters did it again, like they have for 100 years or more.

All of the quotes have been quoted yet we are where we are today. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill IsRaeli, Michael Medved, and Michael Savage Weiner (and you) continue to spew the parties line. Vote for me and I'll set you free ... what a sick joke. And, what makes it worse is that the public continue to vote for the lesser of two evils like a dog returning to his own vomit.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   16:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: noone222 (#32)

I call bullshit. My roomie was a delegate from our area. She went to Houston to vote for Mr. Paul. He quit before the Texas delegate convention.

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   16:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: GreyLmist (#34)

No he didn't. Your roomie might have been snookered into thinking that he had quit but the actual evidence shows that wasn't so.

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   16:29:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: GreyLmist (#31)

Jeb Clampett discovered oil, became a millionaire..

Ron Paul discovered professional politics, became a millionaire.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   16:48:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: noone222 (#33)

I'll refrain from cursing even though my gut is screaming to do so. You always reference the CON-job as our law while it's obvious to the casual observer that it's ignored to such an extent its existence is in question.

Thomas Jefferson advised counting to ten if angry and a hundred if very angry.

The existence of the Constitution isn't in question when its opponents and the otherwise unaffiliated ignore and defy it. Patriot slackers who've gone AWOL when they should be standing their ground as guards against the "authoritarian" mirages of those who move to undermine our Republic -- a reminder for them from Thomas Jefferson: It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all.

Then you reference the founders and others of that era that found it necessary to resort to military tactics not referendums.

I've also referenced the Chickenhawkery of some who exempted themselves from their calls to arms, for whatever reasons. Like Thomas Jefferson said: not one of us, no, not one, is perfect.

Ron Paul was nothing more than a means of keeping the somewhat aware public busy stroking theirselves while the OTHER gangsters did it again, like they have for 100 years or more.

All of the quotes have been quoted yet we are where we are today. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill IsRaeli, Michael Medved, and Michael Savage Weiner (and you) continue to spew the parties line. Vote for me and I'll set you free ... what a sick joke. And, what makes it worse is that the public continue to vote for the lesser of two evils like a dog returning to his own vomit.

Oh, eek! Don't stick me in that faultline of Neocons again, please. I haven't advocated the party line of voting for the lesser of two evils. I'm a Ron Paul advocate and have advocated the formation of a Jeffersonian party.

P.S. I have plenty of more quotes that might help to get us from where we are today to where we ought to be.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   17:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#36)

Jeb Clampett discovered oil, became a millionaire..

Ron Paul discovered professional politics, became a millionaire.

Like Ron Paul couldn't have become a millionaire doctor more easily and safely, as others surely have and then some while building investment-asset portfolios additionally. lol Thanks for that chuckle. I like the Beverly Hillbillies.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   18:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: GreyLmist (#37)

Patriot slackers who've gone AWOL when they should be standing their ground as guards against the "authoritarian" mirages of those who move to undermine our Republic

Bullshit ! Counting (1-100) patriot slackers have to defend themselves in court and seldom, if ever does the CON-job assist their defense because the COURTS (not me) say it's frivolous, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   18:41:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: GreyLmist (#38)

Like Ron Paul couldn't have become a millionaire doctor more easily and safely

He should have stayed a doctor. Whenever he debated the other contestants he sounded like a stuttering whimp. Many overlooked his pensive demeanor because they felt like they understood his position on numerous issues. That being said, mainstream voters laughed at him because he sounds like a sissy and they never even considered the issues.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   18:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: noone222 (#40)

Had Ron the presence of Jesse or Jim, we may have had a better outcome.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2013-12-05   18:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Lod (#41)

Had Ron the presence of Jesse or Jim, we may have had a better outcome.

I agree, but at the same time I see the entire FEDERAL Bureaucracy as a sham/fraud. The engineers of politics are shrewd.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   19:05:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: noone222 (#35) (Edited)

Davy Jones -- gone but not forgot. Thanks for the nostalgic memorabilia. Back to your post:

She was there and he was there ... and he had withdrawn BEFORE a vote was taken.

Another thing, it was reported earlier in the day that he had withdrawn and I heard it on the radio. At that moment I thought of all the money she'd spent, had driven to Houston, rented a room, and attended the convention, for nothing.

It made me sick and so does your never ending support of that old con man. You're a believer in fairytales.

Since we've gone this far, the 2nd time around he didn't have the balls to bring his people to the forefront in Minnesota, choosing to meet with his people at a different location AWAY FROM THE ACTION. Politics is dirty business, and Ron Paul is as dirty as any of the other FEDERAL criminals.

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

So, what you've essentially said above is that you weren't there yourself but still faithfully believe without supporting evidence (other than the secondhand fairytale reports you heard broadcast by media tricksters) that your roomie wasn't snookered or snookering you. Well, I don't know what else to say right now to make you feel better about my never ending support of Ron Paul, as I'd rather you did. I reckon the best thing for me to do about that is to soon get back to condensing my Ron Paul election-history post-project down to one portable link for untangling the chronic misperceptions of his foes.

Edited for spelling.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   19:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: GreyLmist (#43)

I think you probably meant to say "the 1st time around" in sentence one of your last paragraph.

No, I meant exactly what I said.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-05   20:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: noone222 (#39)

#39: patriot slackers have to defend themselves in court and seldom, if ever does the CON-job assist their defense because the COURTS (not me) say it's frivolous, ridiculous, and irrelevant.

It's not the Constitution that doesn't assist to defend Patriots. That problem is largely due to the negligence of others -- like the NRA, for instance -- that refuse to reject and denounce the Unconstitutional actions of the courts and sundry guv-posturers as illegitimate and choose to act instead as their enablers.

#40: mainstream voters [...] never even considered the issues.

They shouldn't be counted as mainstream voters of America's Republic, imo, but interlopers from the mainstream of alien forces assailing it.

#42: I see the entire FEDERAL Bureaucracy as a sham/fraud.

I think we can call that a point of common ground to advance from in the right direction more ameniably because I, too, think that what's been wrongfully mass-marketed as our FEDERAL Bureaucracy is actually an UnAmerican sham/fraud from an invading, hostile dimension.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   20:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: noone222 (#44) (Edited)

No, I meant exactly what I said.

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida Convention. Sorry if I was mistaken about your comment. However, I haven't listened to the entire 1/2 hour video yet but am still not understanding how a February 2012 Ron Paul rally in St. Cloud, MN, long before the FL Republican convention in September, was somehow considered by you as dodging the 2008 action. Maybe you meant to post a different video?? I've never heard it suggested that McCain, Romney, et al., should have held their campaign rallies in closer conjunction with Ron Paul's to be viewed esteemably enough to pass muster as other than contemptible cowards. Btw, I differ with the opening speaker in that video because I think the Constitution's Champion, Ron Paul, is even better in some ways than a Thomas Jefferson of our time.

Thomas Jefferson despotic tree-hugger quote, believe it or not:

“I wish I was a despot that I might save the noble, the beautiful trees that are daily falling sacrifice to the cupidity of their owners, or the necessity of the poor. The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder.”

"...or the necessity of the poor." Rather callous of him, I'd say, considering how much trees were needed back then to keep people from freezing and adequately sheltered.

Edited for various paragraphical revisions + for formatting and apostrophe correction.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   21:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GreyLmist (#38)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

Founding Fathers said this...Those seeking to SERVE the country, "would serve for a season, then return home to resume their normal life".

That can be found in the two volumes of Madisons notes taken during the Constitutional Convention.

On this forum I have had one other person say they had read them.

I borrowed them from Library of Congress about fifty years or more ago.

Why??? I wanted to see the actual words and thoughts expressed by those men,without having anyone tell me, WHAT THEY REALLY SAID.

PS. Franklins Mother was a Grandmother to me, about three or four times removed. My brain is faulty on that. Her name was Abiah Folger, sister to Peter.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-05   22:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: noone222 (#46)

Re: the re-drafts at #46

Just saying, no problemo if you did perchance mean to post a different video. I can empathize with having done that before when posting hastily. Luckily for me, the Edit window was still open, iirc.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-05   22:56:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#47) (Edited)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

I have no idea what his financial bracket was prior to his political service -- millionaire before that or not -- and likely neither do you. I suspect you are a slighted heir of the Folgers coffee company fortune and somewhat anguished from that but would prefer not to discuss that possibility here in this thread.

I am, though, duly impressed with your close connection to our Founders and especially with your interest in Madison: aka Founding Father of our Constitution. Can't claim to be as well read about his writings as you but this is one of my favorite quotes by him from the Federalist Papers:

"An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one which should not only be founded on free principles, but in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among several bodies of magistracy, as that no one could transcend their legal limits, without being effectually checked and restrained by the others"

Goes well, I think, with these quotes from Thomas Jefferson [bracketed inserts therein by me]:

“A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the highest virtues of a good citizen, but it is not the highest."

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will [We the People of the Constitution] within [Constitutional] limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will"

See also: Post #2 of 4um Title: "The United States Council of Censure for Constitutionality" for more on Madison's noted commentary and the Pennsylvania model-example of checks and balances on guvs run amuck.

Edited for spelling and formatting.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-06   0:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: GreyLmist (#49)

Fact remains, olde Ron became a millionaire AS A PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN.

I have no idea what his financial bracket was prior to his political service -- millionaire before that or not -- and likely neither do you

Uhhh, it is public.

Ron ran for Congress eleven times, his disclosures were all on record.

His stock holdings were mostly in mining companies. Actually, Ron is near the bottom in wealth, as many of the politicians are worth hundreds of millions. Myself, I tend to believe that anyone worth hundreds of millions does not really have my personal interest at heart. I know, bad olde Cynic.

I was never impressed being a scraggly limb off of the trees of several of the founding Fathers. I am happy to have survived, never been in jail, tried to do what was right.

Long ago Folgers was bought out by Jews. Same with Macys. Richard Macy was on my limb, founded Macys in NYC because the rest of the family were sailors and he hated the sea. Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Richard Macy originated that. In his first store, he wore an apron with pockets of change, so that the clerks would have to come to him for change, that way there was less chance of thievery.

Joseph and John Warren were two others. John founded Harvard medical school.

There were 12 families that purchased Nantucket Island from the Indians. Their offspring was the most enterprising group I have ever read about.

Cynicom  posted on  2013-12-06   4:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#50)

Perhaps you have wondered why stores price many articles at dollars plus 99 cents?

Indeed I have! -- on account of my dad joking around at times about so many things priced at $19.95/.99 :)

Interesting historical insights. Thanks for sharing those from ye olde treasury trove.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-06   5:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: GreyLmist (#46)

oops. 2008 -- Saint Paul, Minnesota Convention. 2012 - Tampa, Florida

You're right.

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: GreyLmist (#37) (Edited)

The existence of the Constitution isn't in question when its opponents and the otherwise unaffiliated ignore and defy it.

I'd say it is in question especially when judges even at the federal level ignore, defy or manipulate it. Military check points, drones, FEMA camps, forced healthcare, gun control, immigration, NSA warrantless spying, and on and on ad nauseum ... c'mon

EDIT: Here's the reality that must be dealt with in a practical sense. The courts were constructed to avoid bloodshed but when they fail to operate as intended (jury nullification etc.) another means must inevitably manifest, and it will. I know I've mentioned it before and I'll do it again here, I have been a witness to well prepared and accurate constitutional defenses, prepared by very intelligent beings (such as Larken Rose, the Freemen, Red Beckman to name just a few) that were not only ineffective they were scoffed at by the courts.

When one of us expends the immense amount of time and industry to formulate a court brief in order to claim what are alleged to be our inalienable rights (and they're obvious) only to be scoffed at and incarcerated in some cases, we need to ask why this is so. My experience has been that the commercial nature of our monetary system has usurped the constitution through contracts (implicit or explicit in nature) ironically because the constitution restrains government intervention with respect to them (contracts).

Not only that, we are treated like animals or worse by those entrusted with power to serve and protect OUR RIGHTS.

Can I ask if you have ever defended your rights in court, personally ? Do you have any idea how much time and effort must be expended to construct a legitimate (constitutional) defense that usually gets completely ignored in most instances. I can. And I can also say from experience that without a contract of some sort their prosecution falls apart unless the offense charged is actually penal / criminal with a victim other than THE STATE (common law crime).

The speed with which courts dispense with constitutional arguments is another indicator of its worth. Judges will often bellow out "don't bring up the constitution in this court or I'll find you in contempt" ... and that's because the constitution has been usurped.

One last remark: LeRoy Schweitzer was a friend of mine and a very smart man. The FEDS murdered him after they tortured him with electrical shock treatments at a FEDERAL Prison. The Branch Davidians including little children were slaughtered by the FEDS after being tortured and were ultimately burned to death, Sammy Weaver and his mother Vicki were gunned down in cold blood by the FEDS, good people all around this country are being dispossessed of their rightful property through eminent domain ... fuck the Constitution it's time for a real fight.

Double EDIT: I have to say right here that the FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM and the banksters that own it are ultimately responsible for the aforementioned atrocities. As long as the country continues allowing this genocidal institution to exist the atrocities will also continue. I can't help from getting angry when I constantly here people referencing the irrelevant constitution as some sort of protection from abuse because that's simply not the case. As a matter of fact the constitution is an impediment. Those having power will never be defeated by an election or a court case because they own those things (in the commercial U.S. INC. jurisdiction) too.

You and I agree with liberty but differ on how to achieve it. [I have to calm down before I break my keyboard).

Triple EDIT: I just had to say that I know there are folks that attend this forum that have also paid a heavy price for attempting to chain the perps down with the constitution. Not only that, everyone in the country is suffering the consequences of an illegitimate government, owing it very existence to the constitution, that has always colluded with the banks for the sole purpose of stealing the country away from its true owners and shedding the children's blood to do so. Elections have no bearing on my inalienable rights. Tolerance is not a good thing.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-06   6:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: noone222, Cynicom (#52)

The debate wasn't really about holding a separate rally it was about his withdrawing from the race twice. Not only that, several instances of vote fraud went unchallenged that should have been.

On May 14, Paul's campaign announced that due to lack of funds he would no longer actively campaign for votes in the 11 remaining primary states, including Texas and California, that had not yet voted.[8][114] He would, however, continue to seek to win delegates for the national party convention in the states that had already voted.

Not actively campaigning isn't the equivalent of a withdrawl and, unlike others, he stayed in the races even though he didn't have the delegate counts needed to win the nominations. All of which apparently means nothing to some of the very same people who would probably call it unfair or even a violation of their voting rights if third party candidates were eliminated as options because they couldn't make a big enough spending "splash". In times past, the most a candidate could do was take a train ride to a State (if there happened to be a railroad available in that area) and circulate some publications of their speeches. Our Constitution doesn't say that our elections are subject to the transportation and technological advancements of the times. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate in all of American history who was expected to campaign everywhere the entire time, whether he could financially afford it or not, or he'd no longer be considered a candidate even by his supposed supporters -- as if internet access wasn't a good enough means of outreach. The worst of candidates were never, afaik, held to such unreasonable standards but this is how "Patriots" encourage more Champions of the Constitution?

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests. Campaigning against Ron Paul and funding contributions to him so that he could only achieve very few convention and general election votes officially, then blaming him instead of yourselves for Obama's re-selection is a cop out, as well as mindboggling. Yes, vote fraud should have been challenged more by the voters. Ron Paul would have been smeared by big media as a troublemaker and worse for pursuing that, as you know, I'm sure. In 2008, Ron Paul ran two campaigns -- one for President and one for Congress -- when it was clear that McCain would get the nomination. No one was prevented from voting for Ron Paul in the remaining Presidential Primaries/Caucuses, nor from trying to become a delegate for him because he "withrew" or didn't campaign in their district/State and that is a fact. I'm grateful that he was at least able to return to Congress then to continue representing the Constitution for America, not just Texas.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)

You and others who've turned against Ron Paul have been furthering the destructive problem of our electoral process being contolled by monied interests.

You're impossible.

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:13:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: noone222 (#53)

Can I ask if you have ever defended your rights in court, personally ?

Yes but I was a lot younger then and my argument lacked Constitutional emphasis due to under-education about my rights at that time.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: noone222 (#55)

You're impossible.

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2013-12-09   13:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: GreyLmist (#57)

You didn't say: incorrect. :)

You wouldn't know incorrect if it beat the shit out of ya ...

"The amount of our National Debt is the measure of our enslavement to Jewish World Finance. We live in a democracy, yet loans are contracted that always cost more than the amount of the loan, and no one has a word to say about it. We Americans do not know how much interest we pay every year, and we don't know to whom we pay it."

The Dearborn Independent / Henry Ford

noone222  posted on  2013-12-09   13:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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