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Title: Iran to sue U.S. over visa denial to its UN pick
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Published: Apr 15, 2014
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Post Date: 2014-04-15 20:59:59 by Tatarewicz
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TEHRAN, April 14 (Xinhua) -- Iran will sue the United States over its decision to deny an entry visa to Tehran's newly-proposed ambassador to the United Nations, a foreign ministry spokesperson said on Monday.
"The official mechanisms for following up the case have been activated, and are underway," Press TV quoted Iranian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham as saying.
Washington's decision not to issue a visa for Hamid Aboutalebi is a breach of international treaties, and runs contrary to the agreement between the UN and the U.S. government, Afkham said.
On Sunday, Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister for European and American Affairs Majid Takht-e Ravanchi said Tehran "can follow up on the issue through the UN Secretariat and contact UN Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon," according to Press TV.
Iran is not considering replacing Aboutalebi for the time being, Ravanchi said, adding that Tehran has a number of options to take against Washington's move via the United Nations.
He stressed that the case of the visa denial "has nothing to do with Iran-U.S. relations."
On Friday, the White House said the United States had informed Iran that it would not grant a visa to Aboutalebi, a member of the group responsible for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Editor: chengyang
Poster Comment:
Little doubt court will rule visa denial is illegal but at least Obama will score a point or two with Israel lobby for trying to block the proposed ambassador's entry.
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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)
Obama will score a point or two with Israel lobby

IOW, Obummers towel-running in a gay bath-house stays secret for a little longer....
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X-15 posted on 2014-04-15 21:17:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: X-15 (#1)
It won't do them any good to sue. Any country has a right to refuse entry visas to people they don't want to enter the country. I have never heard otherwise.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2014-04-15 21:25:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
Assuming there's a treaty between US and UN, don't international treaty obligations override national interests?

Tatarewicz posted on 2014-04-15 21:45:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Tatarewicz (#3)
I guess that you have to look at it from the host country point of view. Assuming he were still alive today, do you think the US would allow Stalin or Lenin to enter the country when they were responsible for millions of deaths in Russia? I am not a lawyer and don't know a lot about international treaties but I would assume that any country can deny entry to anyone they choose for whatever reason they choose (or no reason at all, might be because they "don't like the cut of his jib").
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2014-04-15 22:42:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
Assuming he were still alive today, do you think the US would allow Stalin or Lenin to enter the country when they were responsible for millions of deaths in Russia?

JD - surely you jest?
Stalin? as in Uncle Joe? Lenin? really? as in Father of the Bolshevik Revolution financed by US bankers?
The current bunch on Capitol Hill and the WH would welcome Uncle Joe and Vlad with open arms. What's a few million victims give or take?

scrapper2 posted on 2014-04-16 4:06:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: scrapper2 (#5)
Well, scrapper, I think you may have missed my point. All of it was based on assumptions and yeah, the crowd we have up there now, with a handful of exceptions, would welcome either of them and Mao and give them keys to the city. But my point was that if we had honorable people who actually did give a damn about the country, they can deny entry into the US. So far as I know any sovereign country can deny entry to anyone they don't want in their country (and yeah, I know our occupying forces have been in lots of countries where they were never welcomed and stayed far past the time where they may have been welcome).
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2014-04-16 10:26:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
This is just a ploy by the USA to get their nose under the tent. By denying VISAS, the USA can control what countries can attend UN meeting and vote. Thereby, assuring they get the UN resolutions that the USA desires.
The way to combat having the UN under the control of the USA is to relocate the UN headquarters to China or Russia.

DWornock posted on 2014-04-16 21:42:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: DWornock (#7)
The way to combat having the UN under the control of the USA is to relocate the UN headquarters to China or Russia.

I can't think of any time in my adult life, after I started giving serious thought to things, that I haven't wished the US would kick the UN out. Withdraw from it, don't pay any dues and have nothing to do with it.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2014-04-16 21:57:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
Some clarity on legality of US visa refusal for UN delegates:

The United States has no right to refuse to issue a visa to Iran’s newly-appointed ambassador to the United Nations, an American political commentator says.
Phil Wilayto, the editor of the Virginia Defender newspaper, told Press TV in a phone interview on Wednesday that there is no way the US can justify denying a visa to the UN ambassador of a sovereign state.
“The 1947 agreement between the United States and the United Nations clearly states that the host country, the United States, has no right to deny access to the United Nations” to representatives of UN member states, Wilayto said, adding, “So they are in complete violation of the legal agreement with the United Nations.”
“However, when that agreement was made in back in 1947, the US added a little addendum that said, WELL, IN THE CASE OF securing the national security of the United States exception could be made,” he stated.
“Finally, they never tried to use that addendum… and that was not accepted by the United Nations, but this is the first time in the history of the United Nations that the US has ever denied a visa to a foreign ambassador,” Wilayto said, referring to the agreement which reads, “The federal, state or local authorities of the United States shall not impose any impediments to transit to or from the headquarters district of representatives of (UN) Members.”
“It’s completely outrageous and what it means in practical terms is that the United States as the host country, as the country in which the United Nations is located, is claiming the right to veto the appointment of an ambassador of a sovereign country,” he emphasized.
Washington has decided to deny visa to Hamid Aboutalebi over his alleged involvement in the takeover of the US Embassy in Tehran during post-revolution incidents in 1979.
On April 10, the US House of Representatives unanimously approved a legislation that prevents Aboutalebi from entering the US.
Iran has rejected the US decision as unacceptable and says it will follow up on the issue through diplomatic channels at the UN.
On November 4, 1979, a group of Iranian university students took over the US Embassy in Tehran, which they believed had turned into a "den of espionage." Documents found at the compound later corroborated the claims by the students.
UN regulations stipulate that each country is allowed to select its own representatives at the international organization and the US must grant visas to the appointed diplomats.
GJH/ISH

Tatarewicz posted on 2014-04-17 1:46:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Tatarewicz (#9)
“However, when that agreement was made in back in 1947, the US added a little addendum that said, WELL, IN THE CASE OF securing the national security of the United States exception could be made,” he stated.

They might use that as grounds to refuse him entry. But whatever the case I think this shows the folly of hosting the UN, paying any dues to it or having anything at all to do with it. I have said for years that we should get out of the UN and get the UN out of the US. Nothing has ever changed how I feel about that Satanic institution.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2014-04-17 10:54:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
It won't do them any good to sue. Any country has a right to refuse entry visas to people they don't want to enter the country. I have never heard otherwise.

The rules may be different for certified ambassadors. The US hosts the UN in NY, and so may be obligated by international agreement to grant visas to ambassadors for UN business.

Pinguinite posted on 2014-04-17 11:55:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Pinguinite (#11)
Well, we live in interesting times. I believe if any agreement we ever entered into obligated us to accept terrorists as ambassadors it would show the folly of engaging in, or agreeing to, any kind of international treaty.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.

Paul Craig Roberts
James Deffenbach posted on 2014-04-17 15:36:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Tatarewicz (#9)
“The 1947 agreement between the United States and the United Nations clearly states that the host country, the United States, has no right to deny access to the United Nations” to representatives of UN member states, Wilayto said, adding, “So they are in complete violation of the legal agreement with the United Nations.”

When, if ever, has the USA followed any agreement, international law, treaty, or even the constitution unless they felt it was in their interest to do so?

DWornock posted on 2014-04-17 22:26:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: DWornock (#13)
When, if ever, has the USA followed any agreement, international law, treaty, or even the constitution unless they felt it was in their interest to do so?

Before the Israeli lobby took control of Congress by having its agents provide vital organizational, financial and media support for candidates of the two main parties at election time and got their agents into key adminiastration positions thus making sure things are done in Israel's interests whenever necessary.

Tatarewicz posted on 2014-04-17 23:28:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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