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Title: Bill Clinton Advised McCain During Height Of 2008 Financial Crisis, New Book Says
Source: HuffPo
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/ ... l3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D505486
Published: Jul 22, 2014
Author: Sam Stein
Post Date: 2014-07-22 23:43:24 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 301
Comments: 46

WASHINGTON -- In retrospect, it is widely perceived to have been a mistake. As the financial crisis shook the country in the backstretch of the 2008 presidential election, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) chose abruptly to suspend his campaign and head back to Washington to forge a solution.

The idea was to look dignified and presidential. But it shocked Republicans, and Democrats largely pounced on the Arizona Republican for making a panicked, ceremonial and ultimately feckless move. What wasn’t widely known at the time was that one top Democrat was giving McCain political and economic advice, according to a newly released book.

That book, Clinton, Inc., says former President Bill Clinton was talking to the senator during the financial crisis even as McCain was running against then-Senator Barack Obama for president. The book gives the impression but does not say outright that Clinton persuaded McCain to suspend his campaign as the stock market tanked (a McCain aide said Clinton didn't make that case). Rather, according to the author, Daniel Halper of the Weekly Standard, Clinton offered advice on what to emphasize and say. The two, he writes, “flirted, quite obviously.”

"During the 2008 campaign I talked to President Clinton on several occasions," McCain tells me with a slight smile, as if realizing what he is about to let slip. "We talked about the campaign. We talked about various aspects of it."

McCain shied away from calling Clinton’s outreach "advice." "It wasn’t 'you should do this, you should do that,'" McCain says.

"It was sort of 'well, here’s where I think things are standing and here’s the issues I think you should emphasize.'" The conversations continued well into the fall, even after Clinton endorsed Obama at the conventions. McCain recalls that Clinton called him to share thoughts about the 2008 financial bailout, which had led McCain to "suspend" his campaign against Obama and urge a legislative solution.

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#1. To: scrapper2, X-15 (#0)

Reform this, scrap.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-23   1:35:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deasy (#1)

Reform this, scrap.

What's to reform?

Toss the RINO out on his fat as* - he's better suited to hanging with his pals in the DemRat Party.

RINO's are DemRats in disguise.

Don't you get the acronym?

The GOP is being reformed by the Tea Party who challenge, expose, and shame RINO's like McCain.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-23   1:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2, Katniss, Jethro Tull, christine, Lorie Meacham, Lod (#2) (Edited)

The GOP is being reformed by the Tea Party who challenge, expose, and shame RINO's like McCain.

Your tea party and mine are different. Mine would be something more like the Boston Tea Party.

When you write "Tea Party," you mean the astroturfed "Koched" Tea Party. The ones who wanted what Ron Paul said except nothing specific. The ones who laughed at Ron Paul when he said we shouldn't have fought in WWI and WWII. You know, the ones who said they wanted to "get back" to simple fiscal conservatism while continuing to lobby for an attack on Iran. The ones who watch FOX News for their "liberty fix." The 4x4 patriots who avidly listen to Mark Levin and Mike Savage.

You're thinking of the Tea Party FOX insists is (with few objections) led by Zionist Sarah Palin. The Tea Party of Ted Cruz, who advised the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2000. The Ted Cruz who recruited John Roberts, the Supreme Court justice who upheld military tribunals and who deems the commerce clause a federal power. Roberts, the dissenter on a majority case ruling upholding strong fourth amendment restrictions on government searches. This is the Ted Cruz endorsed by FreedomWorks and Club For Growth, two "establishment" leaning "conservative" think tanks. FreeomWorks was founded by Dick Armey who in 2002 advocated throwing the Palestinians out of the territories. Club for Growth supported CAFTA. In 2004 Cruz attacked John Kerry for being against defending American values overseas. This is a man who was named "man of the year" by Zionist FrontPage magazine.

Also in the "Tea Party" is beanie wearer Rand Paul, who has called for "immigration reform." And as I write this I can't find anything about tea party identified members with media coverage calling for the shutdown of the federal reserve or cutting off aid to Israel.

You're wearing rose colored, idealogue glasses. Give up on American politics. It's done.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-23   8:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Deasy (#3)

You're wearing rose colored, idealogue glasses. Give up on American politics. It's done.

Spoken like a DemRat voter, toker.

Your party has no hope of reform.

But you know that.

America will be done when your type out numbers me.

Because if takers out number worker bees, the whole house of cards falls down.

I'm proud to be an ideologue. ( check your spelling)

Ideologues have a set of beliefs.

The opposite has no belief but taking.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-24   3:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Deasy (#3)

And as I write this I can't find anything about tea party identified members with media coverage calling for the shutdown of the federal reserve or cutting off aid to Israel.

Have you forgot how hated the TEA Party was a few years ago? That was entirely due to the anti-Zionist/anti-Israel streak running through it. I always said that when the Neocons got their hooks into the TEA Party it would be (more) tolerated inside the Beltway as a sub-unit of the GOP.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-24   3:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: scrapper2 (#4)

Ayn Rand?

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   7:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: X-15 (#5)

Have you forgot how hated the TEA Party was a few years ago?

Not from my vantage point. I had Zionist "conservatives" talking me up on the Tea Party some time after Ron Paul lost the presidential election of 2008 maybe around 2009 or 2010. They were Limbaugh, Levin, and Savage listeners. I'm sure some were tuned into Laura Ingraham since they couldn't get enough "conservative" talk radio. These people detested Ron Paul because they thought he was a soft on security or worse. They agreed with John McCain on attacking Iran. I tried to point out that balancing the budget was impossible without cutting defense and curtailing our overseas warfare. Guffaws ensued each time. On the subject of Israel, the Holocaust was proffered, or 9/11. Tea party sites they'd put up for their counties would have "no racism" disclaimers as if saying negative things about illegal aliens would be forbidden, although they generally were good on borders issues. That perplexed me because they all wanted McCain to win and loved Sarah Palin, even though those two together were a hedge and a long bid against securing the border.

These I call 4x4 patriots with their guns and food stashes. Little said about illegal immigration. Nothing about the federal reserve. Nothing about Ruby Ridge, Waco, OKC, 9/11. Huge support for WWII. I was never sure what made them so unhappy with good ol' America. They supported almost everything about it, except maybe welfare and gun control. They were so well armed I always got a chuckle out of that.

In every way, these were NeoCons except they were against "big" government in terms of social issues (OK, that's great). But I always got the impression that nothing was really wrong with things that getting rid of the Democrats wouldn't fix, as if a Savage Nation could really balance a budget by cutting foreign aid or if Limbaugh would stop advocating wars of the week...

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   7:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deasy, scrapper2, Katniss, christine, Lorie Meacham, Lod, X-15, 4 (#3)

Deasy my brother, you are way too politically sophisticated to not be able to differentiate between the Establishment wing of the National Party and those office seekers who ascribe to lower taxes, 2nd amendment rights and more individual freedom. I'll avoid calling them tea party-types since that movement was penetrated quickly by the Establishment. Nevertheless folks running on the three issues I mentioned above are the only viable option available to us at this point in history. I know the argument about not voting and I see the results daily when the whore media parades the arrogant Street Agitator in front of me flipping US the finger as He claims to be unaware of a collapsing border and a stalled economy. I'm glad I worked for and voted for Perot x 2. Altho he failed (thanks to the Establishment) we were close to a national political victory in '92 and '96.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   8:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Oh I agree that if you're going to vote, vote on those three issues if you can. If otherwise you have to vote, pull the lever for the one who's running against the incumbent (unless he's proven on all three of those issues).

I'd like to see people get more disgusted with the system instead of thinking they can solve problems at the voting booth. That's why I come down so hard on the right. It's past time to hope for a party to solve the problem. If enough people get disgusted enough, they'll make themselves known somehow.

In the 60s, activists had sit-ins, walk-outs, pickets, marches, and whatnot. When there's a million man march to DC to support restoring the constitution without people like Glenn Beck at the lead, people will notice. The last time I was there, it was about 15,000 plus or minus. The silent minority is losing its last few decades to speak up.

Only visceral disgust and revulsion at what is happening now can save us. All I've got is this keyboard, for now, and a sense of obligation to speak up. I probably won't be able to go to DC the next time there's a rally.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   8:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

differentiate between the Establishment wing of the National Party and those office seekers who ascribe to lower taxes, 2nd amendment rights and more individual freedom.

In my previous remarks I was discussing average citizens coming up to me and saying I should join the "Tea party" because it was going to "help" "restore" our "country."

Pressing them further, I got a face full of neoconservatism. This has continued, and worsened as more and more people joined in the Tea Party movement.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   8:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deasy (#10) (Edited)

The disgust you are looking for will come spontaneously, likely related to a hard pinch causing personal pain. With half of America living on the dole and anesthetized (save to vote regularly for Ds) it's safe to write them off as far as any march on DeeCee. This group of freeloaders is growing daily as the good people of Texas, California & Arizona are swamped by a human tsunami of diversity. Pat Buchanan is another politician I supported who would have changed this dynamic, but again it was the National Political Establishment who crippled him.

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Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   8:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#11)

I'm expecting another Lucy and Charlie Brown football charade this coming election. It's going to be very sad. No idea yet who's going to be the shining disappointment.

I'm impatient for people to get disgusted because it's already demographically too late. There may not be a solution.

I'm going to be eating organic Bison whenever I get a chance, though. I plan to live long and be as cranky as I can while the world changes all around me.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   8:42:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deasy (#12)

I'm expecting another Lucy and Charlie Brown football charade this coming election.

So, politically speaking, has nearly every election in your lifetime resulted in the installation of an even worse replacement hack?

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   9:00:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

I've not as savvy as you've been JT. I learned everything I knew about Perot from Saturday Night Live. I hardly understood why PJB was running. The first time I really cared about an election was Ron Paul in 2008. Regardless of why he was disliked I was transformed by noticing how the mainstream treated an alternative candidate with whom I suddenly found myself identifying.

Looking back on the past 120 years of politics after seeing how Ron Paul was treated can be helpful in analyzing past presidencies. For example, I didn't know about Bretton-Woods until Ron Paul spoke about it. I had rather liked Nixon, regardless of Watergate which bothered me plenty, until the moment I understood that.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   9:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deasy, Jethro Tull, X-15 (#10)

saying I should join the "Tea party" because it was going to "help" "restore" our "country."

Pressing them further, I got a face full of neoconservatism.

The Tea Party was a good start for reform of the GOP. So was Ron Paul.

Yes, the Tea Party may have been corrupted at some levels but that happened because the RINO establishment saw the Tea Party as a threat to their hold on the GOP. It doesn't been the Tea Party is worthless because some elements have been compromised. I'm not a Tea Party dues paying member but I respect what the Tea Party has done - i.e, it challenged the RINO establishment and it reminded GOP voters of basic conservative, constitutional principles and encouraged them to agitate for more than what the RINO's were offering.

Yes, Ron Paul did not win the Prez elections, but he didn't fail to open the eyes of disenchanted GOP voters to the possibility of having a GOP Prez candidate with a firm grasp of the US Constitution.

The legacy of Ron Paul and the Tea Party movement lives on today.

Who would have thunk that an entrenched "Establishment" politician like Eric Cantor could be/would be tossed out of office? Cantor was Bonehead's anointed heir apparent.

Who would have thought that the 2 fraud party agreement on "immigration reform" would be stopped in its tracks? Obama and Bonehead thought it would be a slam dunk. But GOP politicians - not the Dems - got so much flack from their constituents, Bonehead and Rubio had to back off. That's the Tea Party's doing.

Who would have thunk that non-establishment, quality GOP potential Prez candidates like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz would emerge and have so much popularity with independents and GOP voters alike. Both men are imperfect. They have warts. But there's lots of good about them too. And were it not for Ron Paul running as a GOP candidate 2 Prez elections in a row and addressing political issues so capably in debates and interviews, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul would be dismissed as "fringe" candidates. Instead they are both front runners for the GOP Prez ticket according to polls.

Nothing even close to a Ron Paul or a Tea Party movement has happened or will happen to the Dem Party. As I said before - the Dem Party is one united monolithic party of anti-middle class Americans, anti-US Constitution, pro-redistribution of wealth mindset from top to bottom. Dem Party establishment, Dem Party politicians, Dem Party voters - they're all on the same page.

If you're waiting for Americans to stay home on voting day, that's not going to happen. GOP voters stayed home the last election and what did that get them - 4 more years of the CommunistInChief. Dem voters will never stay home - the Kenyan has spoiled them so much, they're not going to chance losing their perks and entitlements.

If you're waiting for marches and demonstrations to take place in DC, all you're going to get is La Raza marchers. The middle class have to be a work - those who have jobs, that is. The college students of the 60's 70's marched because they had hope for a future, for achieving the American Dream - they didn't want to die young in Vietnam. But college students, college graduates today are barely keeping their heads above water. They have little hope for getting a good paying job and buying a home with a white picket fence. They are over whelmed with debt, living with their parents, and working 2 or 3 menial part time jobs. They have no will to protest because for them there is no possibility of achieving the American Dream.

I think there's hope for a change in the GOP establishment. But sitting on your hands waiting for the perfect candidate to run for office will get you and me HildaBeast for 8 years. Maybe that's you want.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-24   12:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: scrapper2, Jethro Tull, X-15 (#15) (Edited)

Maybe that's you want.

No, but if I had to choose between a real Tea Party and the imperfect candidates, none of whom are going to address my main concerns in time, I'd choose the real Tea Party. By 2045, Spanish will be spoken by more Americans than any other language. That ball is rolling today. No matter what anyone does within our current political imagination, that fact cannot be avoided.

That's why I think we need a new kind of political imagination. Do I want the impossible? Maybe.

Where there's hope in the current political system, there is dalliance. Meanwhile, the Titanic is about two miles from the iceberg and pretty soon even a change in rudder won't be able to save it.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   12:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: scrapper2, Deasy, Jethro Tull (#15)

Yes, the Tea Party may have been corrupted at some levels but that happened because the RINO establishment saw the Tea Party as a threat to their hold on the GOP.

The whole focus of the GOP was to infiltrate and co-opt the TEA Party, or destroy it. It's been co-opted and now stands with Israel.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-24   12:25:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: X-15 (#17)

Scrap wants us to keep voting for the lesser of two evils, has a reasonable point. I'm past being reasonable. That was for some other generation. Our duty is to be inflamed and cranky and belligerent.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   12:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deasy (#16)

That's why I think we need a new kind of political imagination. Do I want the impossible? Maybe.

I think a "new kind of political imagination" is quite possible but the event that might bring it on (i.e. a financial melt down like the Great Depression) would bring a whole lot of hurt to Americans. Call me selfish but I'm not in favor of suffering personal financial ruin on the off chance that a "new kind of political imagination" might emerge from the ashes of America.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-24   12:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)

Do I have to break out the Patrick Henry speech?

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   12:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: X-15, scrapper2, Deasy, 4 (#17)

Yes, the Tea Party may have been corrupted at some levels but that happened because the RINO establishment saw the Tea Party as a threat to their hold on the GOP.

The whole focus of the GOP was to infiltrate and co-opt the TEA Party, or destroy it. It's been co-opted and now stands with Israel.

I've maintained that on foreign policy you won't see a dimes worth of of difference between Rs, Ds and 99.9% of the tea party types. The distinguishing difference lies in domestic policy and it's here a difference can be made. I could care less if a person votes or not, but to say there is absolutely no difference between candidates is demonstrably wrong.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   12:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

It's a matter of timing. The old engines can't get us there from here.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   12:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deasy (#22)

It's a matter of timing. The old engines can't get us there from here.

Not sure where you are going with this metaphor but I'm happy I moved out of the socialist haven of NYC. Why did I move? Would you want to live under the rule of Andrew (7 rounds per clip) Cuomo as governor and Bill ("I honeymooned in Cuba") de Blasio as mayor?

There is a difference in politicians.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   12:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

There is a difference in politicians.

But no matter how different they are, even "nativist" Ted Cruz, the grand kids will all be speaking about history in Spanish.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   12:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: scrapper2 (#19)

I think a "new kind of political imagination" is quite possible

Perhaps for the non-conformist or the anarchist...but not for the masses. 98% percent of Americans have no original thought, no imagination whatsoever. They tune into the TV to provide imagination and tell them what to think and what to buy and how to feel and what drug to take and who to hate and how to vote.

There is not an iota of evidence that the 98% have moved an inch on the couch, nor is there any reason to believe they plan to do so in the future. Sure, there could be an economic collapse, but this will not invite original thought or imagination, it will invite the masses to bend over and beg Uncle Sammy to take care of them!! It will be the grand finale in the masses kissing their rights and liberty good bye!!

There is not an iota of difference between Dems and Reps....the gig is up!! For years the masses have been told to vote for the Reps because they will save day...has anything been saved? No, nation is in the ditch and neither side of the coin can or will make it all better. Time to scrap whores on both sides of the isle.

" If you cannot govern yourself, you will be governed by assholes. " Randge, Poet de Forum, 1/11/11

"Life's tough, and even tougher if you're stupid." --John Wayne

abraxas  posted on  2014-07-24   13:11:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: abraxas, scrapper2 (#25)

Just thinking about scrap was suggesting, that a financially cataclysmic event might be required to shake people up, but would be undesirable. Let's remember that Americans went through the Great Depression and accepted the system that had done that to them. They went to war by the millions for causes that weren't theirs, throughout the 20th century. They accepted the Patriot Acts, and the second depression of 2008.

You can't "shake" these people out of the trance they're in.

But the trance is put there through the media. We know that much.

By the way, I think change can come without a big (unnecessary) crisis. Crisis-driven change is the Marxist way.

I'm just saying that what we've been doing isn't working fast enough effectively enough to avert the total transformation of the country into something demographically different. That's being forced on us and if we don't think of something new, we'll lose the chance to avert the tragedy.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   13:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deasy (#24)

But no matter how different they are, even "nativist" Ted Cruz, the grand kids will all be speaking about history in Spanish.

I don't think Cruz is a nativist, Buchanan was close however.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   13:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

Just quoting a liberal article I posted on him. It was a microcosm of the obstacles facing us. A 'spic says he wants Americans to be native-born, and speak English, and immigrants to come here legally, and he's labelled a nativist know-nothing. (The writer had won some award that sounded prestigious to me.)

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   13:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deasy (#26)

By the way, I think change can come without a big (unnecessary) crisis. Crisis-driven change is the Marxist way.

The current Marxist change we're living in was born in the late 50s, and early 60s. Ayres and Dorne, two of Obama's confidants, are a testament to that. So given the decades it has taken for them to seize power perhaps they used the Fabian model rather than Marxism, either way the result is the same.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   13:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

Ayres and Dorne

Dorne?

Are you thinking of Adorno of the Frankfurt school, which we imported from Germany before the war?

They centered themselves at the University of Chicago. It's not as if the WASP culture of America wasn't atrophied. It's not like the critical theorists were so strong. It's that what they were changing was so weak.

Are we now strong enough to rewrite the history diverted by the Frankfurters? That's the question. If we're not strong enough it wasn't meant to be. I say we're ready for change we can believe in again.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   13:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: abraxas (#25)

it will invite the masses to bend over and beg Uncle Sammy to take care of them!!

The kind of collapse I'm thinking of is not a financial hiccup like 2007.

I'm thinking of something closer to 1929. Fed gov't would have nothing in the coffers to give to the masses.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-24   13:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)

Think about it: that would have been the right time to abolish the Fed. Didn't happen. Crisis of opportunity? Brought us FDR and the fateful alliance with Stalin.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   13:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, Deasy, 4um (#21)

The distinguishing difference lies in domestic policy and it's here a difference can be made.

Precisely! Well said, JT.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-24   13:43:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deasy (#30)

Oops: Dohrn (nee Ohrnstein)

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   13:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: abraxas (#25)

They tune into the TV to provide imagination and tell them what to think and what to buy and how to feel and what drug to take and who to hate and how to vote.

There is not an iota of evidence that the 98% have moved an inch on the couch, nor is there any reason to believe they plan to do so in the future.

Big football game coming up and Buttwiper beer is on sale!! Who cares about politics when the Game-of-the-Week/Month/Year/Decade is about to start!! Go Team!!!

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-24   13:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#34)

I don't know how to evaluate the Ayers-Obama connection. Plenty of people would act like Obama without ever knowing Ayers and Dohrn personally. Ayers was anti-war so that hasn't left a grip on Obama.

A majority of Americans were going to be speaking Spanish by 2045 before Obama got elected. This is fine with most every politician we can name. It was virtually fine with Ron Paul, but I figured he could cut the funding to the federal welfare beast to nip the problem in the bud.

No such luck.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   13:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Deasy (#32)

Think about it: that would have been the right time to abolish the Fed. Didn't happen. Crisis of opportunity? Brought us FDR and the fateful alliance with Stalin.

Abolish the Fed during the Depression? Get serious. People were worried about surviving literally. They had no internet, no computers, and definitely no political imagination because most of them didn't have much formal education beyond high school at best.

You can muse all you want about abolishing the Fed or forming a 3rd party or changing the US's form of gov't into a parliamentary system - whatever spins your wheels - but personally I think casting a vote at the ballot box is a more substantial effort to avert America becoming a 3rd world Babylon than you sitting at your keyboard criticizing everything around you but doing zero to make a difference.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-24   14:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deasy (#30)

I say we're ready for change we can believe in again.

No Populism allowed!!!...sayeth the MSM/Crapitol Hill gatekeepers.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-24   14:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: scrapper2 (#37)

If I haven't changed any minds, then I haven't made a difference.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-24   14:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deasy (#36)

I don't know how to evaluate the Ayers-Obama connection. Plenty of people would act like Obama without ever knowing Ayers and Dohrn personally. Ayers was anti-war so that hasn't left a grip on Obama.

Ayers and Dohrn were both murderers and self-described communists. I was on the NYPD when they were roaming NYC in the early 70s.

I agree with your take on the Hispanic invasion. I'm amazed Blacks are willing to share all that government largess with them. I'm not shocked that progressive Whites welcome it.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-24   14:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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