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Title: War Is Coming
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URL Source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201 ... war-coming-paul-craig-roberts/
Published: Jul 29, 2014
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2014-07-29 06:49:20 by Ada
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Views: 838
Comments: 93

The extraordinary propaganda being conducted against Russia by the US and UK governments and Ministries of Propaganda, a.k.a., the “Western media,” have the purpose of driving the world to war that no one can win. European governments need to rouse themselves from insouciance, because Europe will be the first to be vaporized due to the US missile bases that Europe hosts to guarantee its “security.”

As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge, the Russian response to the extra- legal ruling of a corrupt court in the Netherlands, which had no jurisdiction over the case on which it ruled, awarding $50 billion dollars from the Russian government to shareholders of Yukos, a corrupt entity that was looting Russia and evading taxes, is telling. Asked what Russia would do about the ruling, an advisor to President Putin replied, “There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this ruling matters?”

The West has ganged up on Russia, because the West is totally corrupt. The wealth of the elites is based not only on looting weaker countries whose leaders can be purchased (read John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for instruction on how the looting works), but also on looting their own citizens. The American elites excel at looting their fellow citizens and have wiped out most of the US middle class in the new 21st century.

In contrast, Russia has emerged from tyranny and from a government based on lies, while the US and UK submerge into tyranny shielded by lies. Western elites desire to loot Russia, a juicy prize, and there stands Putin in the way. The solution is to get rid of him like they got rid of President Yanukovich in Ukraine.

The looting elites and the neoconservative hegemonists have the same goal: make Russia a vassal state. This goal unites the Western financial imperialists with the political imperialists.

I have recorded for readers the propaganda that is used in order to demonize Putin and Russia. But even I was stunned by the astounding and vicious lies in the UK publication The Economist on July 26. The cover is Putin’s face in a spider web, and, you guessed it, the cover story is “A Web of Lies.” http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21608645-vladimir-putins-epic-deceits- have-grave-consequences-his-people-and-outside-world-web? spc=scode&spv=xm&ah=9d7f7ab945510a56fa6d37c30b6f1709

You need to read this propaganda both in order to see the gutter level of propaganda in the West and the obvious drive to war with Russia. There is no evidence whatsoever in the story to support The Economist’s wild accusations and demand for the end of Western “appeasement” of Russia and the harshest possible action against Putin.

The kind of reckless lies and transparent propaganda that comprises The Economist’s story has no other purpose than to drive the world to war.

The Western elites and governments are not merely totally corrupt, they are insane. As I have previously written, don’t expect to live much longer. In this video one of Putin’s advisors and Russian journalists speak openly of US plans for a first strike on Russia: http://financearmageddon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/official-warning-u-s-to-hit- russia-with.html

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

How can we trust this man ? He was assistant secretary of the treasury and never uttered a single word regarding the illegitimate FEDERAL RESERVE.

Even if this asshat is telling the truth today he lied for as long as he benefited.

"This place called earth is hell (though it could be heaven).” Those that haven't noticed are without a soul to be redeemed.

noone222

noone222  posted on  2014-07-29   6:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Never trust this man and never trust the Russians.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   7:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#2)

At least he's working for non-intervention.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   7:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#1)

There are but three powers in this world currently.

No two are friends.

If people do not understand that, they become distracted by day to day bullshit.

Anyone with eyes to SEE and a map to look at can see what chess moves are being made world wide. It is physical, we are containing Russia and China in the same pen.

The price of gold, stock market zooms, we are broke, China is rich etc etc all is meaningless.

There are three powers in this world, one day there will be one, OR NONE.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   7:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#1)

How can we trust this man ? He was assistant secretary of the treasury and never uttered a single word regarding the illegitimate FEDERAL RESERVE.

AFAIK he does not yet oppose the Fed in principle although he does not agree with its current policies. As far as trusting his opinions, I would not go so far as to agree that We the People should expect a short life expectancy.

From a solid Republican Assistant Secretary of the Treasury and editor of the WSJ, he has evolved into a foaming-at-the-mouth extremist whom I agree with most of the time.

Ada  posted on  2014-07-29   11:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#2)

Never trust this man and never trust the Russians

You don't have to trust either but they make sense.

Ada  posted on  2014-07-29   11:46:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#6)

You don't have to trust either but they make sense.

Yes, therein lies the problem.

Hitler and Stalin both made sense but both had ulterior motives.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   12:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

Hitler and Stalin both made sense but both had ulterior motives.

And what are YOUR motives? Every factual and intelligent article concerning Russia you gloss over with your BS pen. Obama is acting more like Hitler and Stalin than anyone on the planet right now.

So why aren't you complaining about HIM, eh?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2014-07-29   13:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: FormerLurker, Cynicom (#8) (Edited)

And what are YOUR motives?

He is steadfast in his outlook based on his cynical old man wisdom. Learn from him and respect him. I do.

Edit: I respect you and learn from you too, FL.

No one is always correct.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2014-07-29   13:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Cynicom (#2)

...and never trust the Russians.

I was told this by a wise old woman, bless her soul, who was a German officer in the Luftwaffe during WWII and later became a war bride after the war.

We were best of friends until she passed last year at age 93.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2014-07-29   13:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: FormerLurker (#8)

So why aren't you complaining about HIM, eh?

Fair question...

Answer...If I printed here my feelings about Obama, I would be arrested, without bail. At my age that would be short term fatal.

This, one may accept as the Gospel...If I printed here my feelings about Obama and this government...WITHIN MINUTES PHONE CALLS WOULD BE MADE.

Am I a moral coward? Yes indeed.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   13:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#9)

Fred...thank you.

I was fortunate to never have a lick of the "higher education" system of this country.

Instead, I received my education on my own AND FROM MUCH OLDER AND WISER people that were there, people that did it.

I was never programmed and never brain washed by the system.

My farthest back mentoring came from a gentleman that served on the Panay. He spoke, English, Russian, Chinese and French.

His wisdom??? Never trust the Chinese and Russians. His mistress was a White Russian emigre. He was the most brilliant man I ever met.

I paid attention.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   14:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom, FormerLurker, Fred Mertz (#11)

.If I printed here my feelings about Obama, I would be arrested

Except you agree with him (except — you say — the particulars) on America's obligation to intervene in geopolitics.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   14:34:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Deasy (#13)

One has to realize and accept Obama is but a figure head.

Obama could abdicate tomorrow, the government would not change one whit in world power dynamics.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   14:42:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

Bottom-line truth.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-07-29   14:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#14)

Yet you still insist that intervention is necessary. If Russia and China overtake us it will be due to us having supported them in the past while weakening ourselves at home. We are weak, and it happened because we couldn't maintain separation between ourselves and the rest of the world.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   14:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Deasy (#16)

The plans for a NEW WORLD ORDER were made before you or I were born. Maps,Speechs,Alliances, Treaties, this plan is a LONG TERM plan and the elite E.P.Z. type of people they are the ones manipulating the great depopulation of us useless eaters. China and Russia would rather solve things diplomatically without world war but Nato and the UN and their money masters mean to shove them into a corner and force this.

Not much to be done but pray and prepare.

______________________________________

Suspect all media / resist bad propaganda/Learn NLP everyday everyway ;) If you don't control your mind someone else will.

titorite  posted on  2014-07-29   15:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: titorite (#17)

Not much to be done but pray and prepare.

Wrong, that's what disinformation does to your brain. The ability to take action is what makes us human beings. Don't let the real nonsense petrify you. Gods don't help you when you don't help yourself, anyway.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   15:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deasy, Russophiles (#16)

Perhaps it is easier to see our power dynamics.

On a wall map, draw a line from northern Norway, South thru, Finland, Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania,Belarus,Ukraine thru Turkey to the Mediterranean.

In the Pacific draw a line from Bering Straits of Alaska, South through Attu, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines and Australia.

To the East of that line, draw another line, from Tinian, to Saipan, to Guam, to Palua to Singapore.

Russia and China lie within.

It is the intention of this country to keep the two of them within those lines.

Like it or not, regardless of whom is President, what party is in power, NONE OF THIS WILL CHANGE.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   15:26:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#19)

But it did change because of our past interventions. And our current and future interventions will continue to make it worse. You were a major part of those interventions and so you believe they were necessary.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   15:35:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deasy, Russophiles (#20)

Deasy...

Resist using the word...YOU...this is a discussion forum, not a personal attack vehicle.

Visit a map, draw the lines, SEE WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT HAS DONE, IS DOING, WILL CONTINUE TO DO.

There is no alternative.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   15:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#21) (Edited)

I'm attacking your ideas. You're insisting that we had to intervene, because of a map in your head. If we hadn't entered either of the world wars, China and Russia wouldn't exist in their current forms. WE made that happen. WE were wrong. YOU were involved. YOU were wrong. I don't really care if you won't admit it, but I'm calling you out on this.

Why would we take seriously a former NSA desk jockey's apologies for America's self-destructive idiocy in the first place?

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   15:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Deasy (#22)

Last word...I have no ideas.

Maps do not lie.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   16:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#23)

I have no ideas.

Your idea in a nutshell: America is the best thing to ever happen to the world, and we had an obligation to do what we've done in all preceding wars, and all future wars. They're all connected by your map.

This is one hell of an apology for America's utter failure to protect itself domestically, and to avoid incinerating hundreds of thousands of people unnecessarily.

If we don't leave YOUR IDEA of an America the empire behind, we'll deserve what's coming to us.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-29   16:09:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deasy (#24)

This is one hell of an apology for America's utter failure to protect itself domestically, and to avoid incinerating hundreds of thousands of people unnecessarily.

Hundreds of thousands?

Try 7 BILLION, i.e. the entire world population.

Russia WILL defend its sovereignty, they will not allow the west to dictate its affairs, and they will eventually strike back against repeated provocations and acts of war.

When that day happens, we are ALL screwed.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2014-07-29   19:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Deasy, Russophiles, America Haters (#24)

AP...

July 29...

ATLANTA – The last surviving member of the crew that dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, hastening the end of World War II and forcing the world into the atomic age, has died in Georgia.

Theodore VanKirk, also known as "Dutch," died Monday of natural causes at the retirement home where he lived in Stone Mountain, Georgia, his son Tom VanKirk said. He was 93.

VanKirk flew nearly 60 bombing missions, but it was a single mission in the Pacific that secured him a place in history. He was 24 years old when he served as navigator on the Enola Gay, the B-29 Superfortress that dropped the first atomic bomb deployed in wartime over the Japanese city of Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945.

He was teamed with pilot Paul Tibbets and bombardier Tom Ferebee in Tibbets' fledgling 509th Composite Bomb Group for Special Mission No. 13.

The mission went perfectly, VanKirk told The Associated Press in a 2005 interview. He guided the bomber through the night sky, just 15 seconds behind schedule, he said. As the 9,000-pound bomb nicknamed "Little Boy" fell toward the sleeping city, he and his crewmates hoped to escape with their lives.

They didn't know whether the bomb would actually work and, if it did, whether its shockwaves would rip their plane to shreds. They counted -- one thousand one, one thousand two -- reaching the 43 seconds they'd been told it would take for detonation and heard nothing.

"I think everybody in the plane concluded it was a dud. It seemed a lot longer than 43 seconds," VanKirk recalled.

Then came a bright flash. Then a shockwave. Then another shockwave.

The blast and its aftereffects killed 140,000 in Hiroshima.

Three days after Hiroshima, a second atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. The blast and its aftermath claimed 80,000 lives. Six days after the Nagasaki bombing, Japan surrendered.

Whether the United States should have used the atomic bomb has been debated endlessly. VanKirk told the AP he thought it was necessary because it shortened the war and eliminated the need for an Allied land invasion that could have cost more lives on both sides.

"I honestly believe the use of the atomic bomb saved lives in the long run. There were a lot of lives saved. Most of the lives saved were Japanese," VanKirk said.

But it also made him wary of war.

"The whole World War II experience shows that wars don't settle anything. And atomic weapons don't settle anything," he said. "I personally think there shouldn't be any atomic bombs in the world -- I'd like to see them all abolished.

"But if anyone has one," he added, "I want to have one more than my enemy."

VanKirk stayed on with the military for a year after the war ended. Then he went to school, earned degrees in chemical engineering and signed on with DuPont, where he stayed until he retired in 1985. He later moved from California to the Atlanta area to be near his daughter.

Like many World War II veterans, VanKirk didn't talk much about his service until much later in his life when he spoke to school groups, his son said.

"I didn't even find out that he was on that mission until I was 10 years old and read some old news clippings in my grandmother's attic," Tom VanKirk told the AP in a phone interview Tuesday.

Instead, he and his three siblings treasured a wonderful father, who was a great mentor and remained active and "sharp as a tack" until the end of his life.

"I know he was recognized as a war hero, but we just knew him as a great father," Tom VanKirk said.

VanKirk's military career was chronicled in a 2012 book, "My True Course," by Suzanne Dietz. VanKirk was energetic, very bright and had a terrific sense of humor, Dietz recalled Tuesday.

Interviewing VanKirk for the book, she said, "was like sitting with your father at the kitchen table listening to him tell stories."

A funeral service was scheduled for VanKirk on Aug. 5 in his hometown of Northumberland, Pennsylvania. He will be buried in Northumberland next to his wife, who died in 1975. The burial will be private.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-29   22:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ada, FormerLurker (#5)

From a solid Republican Assistant Secretary of the Treasury and editor of the WSJ, he has evolved into a foaming-at-the-mouth extremist whom I agree with most of the time.

I suppose arguing from the worst case scenario is legitimate in this case where there is so much to lose. I haven't meant to criticize your posts, Ada. I get the willies when someone tells me I'll die if something I can't control happens, and it's "very likely."

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   7:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom, Russophiles, America Haters, *antifa* (#26)

The anti-American canard has been raised. Ponder this quote:

Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason. —John Harrington
Cyni, have you prospered from advocating Allied butchery?

Dresden: Apocalypse 1945 (Hamburg Raids Detailed)
Post Date: 2014-07-30 08:18:28 by Deasy
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31 APOCALYPSE 1945: The Destruction of Dresden

...

[The above British account of the raid] shows that over twenty minutes after the first release of Window the German searchlight batteries were still ‘clear-headed.’ But the rate of Window-ing was increasing as more bombers passed the

32 APOCALYPSE 1945: The Destruction of Dresden

zero hour, at thirty—three minutes past midnight the first public warning of imminent danger was sounded—not the usual Forewarning, but a sudden series of twelve—second blasts on the city’s sirens: Fliegeralarm, Full Alarm. For a full minute the sirens’ wailing echoed dis—synchronously across the city ...

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   8:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deasy, All (#28)

Cyni, have you prospered from advocating Allied butchery?

Prospered? No.

Profited, intellectually and morally? Yes indeed.

My brother lies somewhere in the soil of Germany.

He is memorialized on a wall at Margraten, Holland, along with a thousand other young Americans that never returned home.

The Wall is available for viewing on the internet, his name, PFC. Clell E. Perry. The local Dutch people place flowers there all the time because they are appreciative of the price my brother and the others paid for their freedom.

German friends, whom I have never met, travel there often to place flowers and send me photos. Their families welcomed the Americans then and do not want us to leave now.

Yes, I profited then and still do.

I will no longer post to you or read your efforts.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-30   9:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Cynicom (#29)

My brother lies somewhere in the soil of German

This does not make his death worthy.

I will no longer post to you or read your efforts.
Says a lifelong government employee who sides with the anti-Stalinist NeoCons in every significant regard.

You're a slave to what has destroyed us.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   9:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deasy, 4 (#24)

This is one hell of an apology for America's utter failure to protect itself domestically, and to avoid incinerating hundreds of thousands of people unnecessarily.

I'm assuming this comment is in reference to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If so those two events were hardly unnecessary. In fact they likely saved many millions of lives when one considers the alternative which was a land invasion of Japan. It's a mistake to look back today, given all we now know, and apply that to 1945. Had those bombs not been dropped a lot of us baby boomers would never have been born.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   9:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

Had those bombs not been dropped a lot of us baby boomers would never have been born.

The Japanese were suing for peace well before then. The difference was over the terms of the surrender. Remember, this was a war to which we invited ourselves. The justifications for demanding total surrender were then, and still are, worthless for every member of the Axis.

An optional war does not justify the kind of butchery incendiary and nuclear weapons delivered over Europe and Japan. Of course this is one of several major reasons why we're told America's entry into the war wasn't optional.

Remember, this is the war that brought us racially to our knees.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   9:52:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deasy (#27)

I'm a big Paul Craig Roberts fan but I can't buy his thesis that we are all gonna die soon. Maybe I just don't want to believe it and am not facing facts.

Ada  posted on  2014-07-30   10:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

In fact they likely saved many millions of lives when one considers the alternative which was a land invasion of Japan. It's a mistake to look back today, given all we now know, and apply that to 1945. Had those bombs not been dropped a lot of us baby boomers would never have been born.

If it had been possible to launch a land invasion of both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and somehow were able to avoid Japanese shooting back at American troops as they went house-to-house to exterminate the same number of Japanese civilians as would have been killed by the atomic bombings, would that have been an acceptable solution to end the war?

John Howard says: There are 4 schools of economics:
Marxism: steal everything
Keynesianism: steal by counterfeiting whenever needed
Chicago school (Milton Friedman): steal by counterfeiting at a steady, predictable rate
Austrians: don't steal

Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
'Wiped off the Map' – The Rumor of the Century

PnbC  posted on  2014-07-30   11:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#11)

This, one may accept as the Gospel...If I printed here my feelings about Obama and this government...WITHIN MINUTES PHONE CALLS WOULD BE MADE.

Yes, you would be readied for a very brutal gulag for White Domestic Dissidents.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-30   12:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ada (#0)

the obvious drive to war with Russia.

Surely at this point our troops would lay down their arms and declare "No more!", the utter insanity of Obama's warlike BS is wearing thin on the populace.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-30   12:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ada, 4 (#33)

Personally, I believe that the Ebola virus is more a threat to humanity than is the Ukraine.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-07-30   12:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lod, 4 (#37)

Personally, I believe that the Ebola virus is more a threat to humanity than is the Ukraine.

x 1000

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   12:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deasy, 4 (#32)

The Japanese were suing for peace well before then. The difference was over the terms of the surrender.

Looking back it didn't pay for the Japanese to bicker....

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   13:01:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deasy (#32)

The Japanese were suing for peace well before then. The difference was over the terms of the surrender. Remember, this was a war to which we invited ourselves. The justifications for demanding total surrender were then, and still are, worthless for every member of the Axis.

And yet in the end Japan DID surrender unconditionally. The victor dictates the terms of surrender, not the defeated, that's War 101.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-30   13:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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