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Title: War Is Coming
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URL Source: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201 ... war-coming-paul-craig-roberts/
Published: Jul 29, 2014
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2014-07-29 06:49:20 by Ada
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Views: 862
Comments: 93

The extraordinary propaganda being conducted against Russia by the US and UK governments and Ministries of Propaganda, a.k.a., the “Western media,” have the purpose of driving the world to war that no one can win. European governments need to rouse themselves from insouciance, because Europe will be the first to be vaporized due to the US missile bases that Europe hosts to guarantee its “security.”

As reported by Tyler Durden of Zero Hedge, the Russian response to the extra- legal ruling of a corrupt court in the Netherlands, which had no jurisdiction over the case on which it ruled, awarding $50 billion dollars from the Russian government to shareholders of Yukos, a corrupt entity that was looting Russia and evading taxes, is telling. Asked what Russia would do about the ruling, an advisor to President Putin replied, “There is a war coming in Europe.” Do you really think this ruling matters?”

The West has ganged up on Russia, because the West is totally corrupt. The wealth of the elites is based not only on looting weaker countries whose leaders can be purchased (read John Perkins’ Confessions of an Economic Hit Man for instruction on how the looting works), but also on looting their own citizens. The American elites excel at looting their fellow citizens and have wiped out most of the US middle class in the new 21st century.

In contrast, Russia has emerged from tyranny and from a government based on lies, while the US and UK submerge into tyranny shielded by lies. Western elites desire to loot Russia, a juicy prize, and there stands Putin in the way. The solution is to get rid of him like they got rid of President Yanukovich in Ukraine.

The looting elites and the neoconservative hegemonists have the same goal: make Russia a vassal state. This goal unites the Western financial imperialists with the political imperialists.

I have recorded for readers the propaganda that is used in order to demonize Putin and Russia. But even I was stunned by the astounding and vicious lies in the UK publication The Economist on July 26. The cover is Putin’s face in a spider web, and, you guessed it, the cover story is “A Web of Lies.” http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21608645-vladimir-putins-epic-deceits- have-grave-consequences-his-people-and-outside-world-web? spc=scode&spv=xm&ah=9d7f7ab945510a56fa6d37c30b6f1709

You need to read this propaganda both in order to see the gutter level of propaganda in the West and the obvious drive to war with Russia. There is no evidence whatsoever in the story to support The Economist’s wild accusations and demand for the end of Western “appeasement” of Russia and the harshest possible action against Putin.

The kind of reckless lies and transparent propaganda that comprises The Economist’s story has no other purpose than to drive the world to war.

The Western elites and governments are not merely totally corrupt, they are insane. As I have previously written, don’t expect to live much longer. In this video one of Putin’s advisors and Russian journalists speak openly of US plans for a first strike on Russia: http://financearmageddon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/official-warning-u-s-to-hit- russia-with.html

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#41. To: X-15, Jethor Tull (#40)

that's War 101.

The authors of WWII told the Allied combatants that. Civilized, white men were to slay the Godless Nazi and Imperial armies (and their women and children) without mercy. In that way, precious white, civilized men would be saved from the Huns and the Nips.

What actually happened was the most brutal war in the history of mankind, with more civilian casualties than ever before. Most of those casualties were due to indiscriminate Allied bombing, and did not affect the resolve of the population until atomic weapons were used.

Don't think you're a patriot or a stronger, more determined man because you still believe that atomic weapons are reasonable instruments of war and were justified. This is post-war propaganda fed to us by those who rule us today.

We can look at the results and see that defeating the Axis brought our own collapse. Pressing a button to wipe out upwards of 100,000 people to impose democracy has no justification. That makes the use of indiscriminate, large scale massacre of large numbers of civilians even less valuable.

Think about it the next time you have to press #2 for English.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   13:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Deasy (#41)

It's a done deal, the history has been written. A stream of bombers dropping incendiary bomblets or one aircraft dropping one nuclear bomb accomplished the same goal. Only the reduction of bombers/crewmen involved was the difference.

Thread drift: I submit that niggers are more destructive than an atomic bomb, look at Hiroshima today and compare to Detroit. There's the real threat to civilized existence.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-30   13:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Lod (#37)

Personally, I believe that the Ebola virus is more a threat to humanity than is the Ukraine.

But the CDC and DHS and FDA and FAA say there's no chance that Ebola can spread to the USA from Africa. [what's left unsaid is that the aforementioned gubment desk jockeys have sufficient munitions to put us out of our Ebola misery fast when they are proven wrong]. So don't worry - the CDC, DHS, FDA, FAA have our backs - just go shopping and stuff.

scrapper2  posted on  2014-07-30   14:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: X-15, Deasy (#40)

The fact that it took two bombs to get them to surrender is all I need to know about their peace gestures.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   14:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: X-15 (#42) (Edited)

It's a done deal, the history has been written.

Yes, sowing the seeds of our own destruction. This is where it has to stop. Either we have the courage to admit that we were wrong to side with the communists, or we will lose everything, and we're already almost there. This isn't some idle discussion about the past. This is about our future.

A stream of bombers dropping incendiary bomblets or one aircraft dropping one nuclear bomb accomplished the same goal.
By the time the methods of death were perfected, incendiaries killed far more per bomb-run than the atomic weapons did. In either case, we played Jehovah, wrathful god of absolute and all-consuming fire. We became far worse than the tyrants we had accused of war lust in the process.

Think of Sherman's drive to the sea on a grand scale. That's what the carpet bombing of cities was.

And we are collapsing today as a result of the same forces that drove us to do others' evil handiwork.

There's the real threat to civilized existence.
What did you expect to happen after bringing them north after the war? All in the name of being more "civilized," I might add.

Nietzsche was right. Use of weapons of mass destruction against civilian populations was by far the weaker choice. It showed how low we could go in the name of our god, and our creed. And so history will take from us what our betters gave, as the ebb and flow of cultures courses through time. We absorbed a virus and it turned us into automatons of death.

Thread drift: under the new empire, a shotgun is now a WMD. It's along the lines of having to press #2 for English, if you think about it. Who's surrendering now?

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   14:20:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

The fact that it took two bombs to get them to surrender is all I need to know about their peace gestures.

There's hope yet for you, untermensch.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   14:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Deasy (#46)

You're a pleasure to disagree with Deasy :)

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   14:36:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jethro Tull (#47)

Glad you think it's funny, heh.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   14:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deasy (#48)

I have no problem being among the common men :P

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   14:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deasy (#45)

Either we have the courage to admit that we were wrong to side with the communists

Of course yhat was wrong, FDR mde a deal with the devil when he buddied-up with "kindly Uncle Joe" Stalin. What, you want me to dig up FDR and slap his corpse around?? That's all that can be done about that at this point. Nixon/FedGov should NEVER have started the process of "normalization and trade" with the Chi-coms, that can be corrected now.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-30   14:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#49)

You've got me thinking: perhaps there are actually too many undeserving American Boomers. That could explain the current free fall, which is exponentially accelerating.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   14:46:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: X-15 (#50)

FDR mde a deal with the devil when he buddied-up with "kindly Uncle Joe" Stalin.

He buddied up with Churchill before that, who was buddied up with the Jews. Carpet bombing and nuking people who were never our enemies to being with, after making such mistakes, is proof that we were seriously making the kinds of mistakes a country probably won't survive.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   14:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deasy (#52)

Churchill before that, who was buddied up with the Jews

You can't pin that solely on Churchill, that British nonsense started with Oliver Cromwell and Charles II.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-30   14:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: X-15 (#53)

Agreed. And it's good to keep walking it back. No problem with that at all. Walk it back and forth until our resolve is like high-carbon steel. Without that, there's little hope.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   15:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Deasy (#51)

...perhaps there are actually too many undeserving American Boomers.

Undeserving of what?

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-07-30   15:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Lod (#55)

Life, liberty and property.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   15:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Deasy (#56)

How very insane.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2014-07-30   15:19:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Lod, Jethro Tull (#57)

How very insane.

Why, because your father came back from the war without having to invade Japan and die? If you're alive because of this you can be grateful that fate gave you a chance. But what about the unborn children who died, boiling in their mothers' wombs because we entered a war we shouldn't have and "had to win as fast as possible?"

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   15:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Deasy, 4 (#58)

But what about the unborn children who died, boiling in their mothers' wombs because we entered a war we shouldn't have and "had to win as fast as possible?"

Hindsight being 20/20, it's a shame we didn't know then what we know now, eh?

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   15:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull, Lod (#59)

Many knew but the commoners, beguiled by superstition and threatened by fates worse than death, in other words die untermensch, just couldn't see it. Were their children worthy of national survival? I think not.

If there's an afterlife, the souls of those naive American troops who died on the beaches of Anzio and Normandy must be completely disgusted with Americans today.

The founding fathers had contempt for those who could be enslaved. Implicit in the Declaration was a definition of man as one who would die rather than live in chains.

So much for us.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-30   16:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Deasy (#60)

OK

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-30   16:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Deasy (#22)

Cyni gave you good advice.

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2014-07-30   16:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Deasy (#41)

We can look at the results and see that defeating the Axis brought our own collapse.

I think rather US participation in the world wars was a symptom of US collapse. The world wars themselves were symptoms of broader white collapse.

The lands of white folk have been running on fumes and borrowed time ever since.

Old-timey radio well before Dec 7 1941 is full of public service announcements warning Americans not to discriminate on the basis of religion and national origin.

But the Jew media couldn't swing an admonishment on race -- yet.

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2014-07-30   16:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Deasy (#41)

more civilian casualties than ever before

Remember to adjust for local and world population size.

A rainbow coalition against Jews doesn't require Whites or Pro-Whites. It can be just as brown or anti-white as you like.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2014-07-30   16:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Lod, Jethro Tull, X-15, christine (#63) (Edited)

I think rather US participation in the world wars was a symptom of US collapse.

The two perspectives aren't exclusive. Once we shed victorious blood for the antifascist cause it became like an inner territory that we would continue to defend "forever."

The world wars themselves were symptoms of broader white collapse.
Only after the western Allies guaranteed Soviet victory in the east. Without a British declaration of war on Germany after the race to Danzig, the entire western front could have been avoided. This was the pivotal moment in Germany's rise. I have no doubt that Germany would have won in Eastern Europe if America hadn't interfered. With Stalin's first-strike capability and intent, the Non-Aggression Pact would have collapsed eventually.

Europe would be European today, not half-Islamic. America would have continued to be neutral, and it would have proudly regulated its immigration. Not only that but our forces would have been invincible. There would have been time to develop nuclear weapons and missile guidance systems at our own pace.

America's entry into WWII, and the British gamble that we would, was the biggest blow to Europeans in the history of the world.

People who can't see this are doomed to continue shedding European American blood when there isn't much left. We don't have time to waste on the lies.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-31   6:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Deasy, 4 (#65)

America's entry into WWII, and the British gamble that we would, was the biggest blow to Europeans in the history of the world.

There was no British gamble that America would enter WWII. With the benefit of hindsight it's clear that there was collusion between FDR and Churchill prior to our entry.

Life is what happens to you when you are making other plans.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-07-31   6:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#62)

Cyni gave you good advice.

I'm not here to make friends.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-31   9:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Jethro Tull (#66)

There is evidence that British intelligence told Churchill about the upcoming Jap attack on Pearl Harbor. Seems like that whole deal was only a "surprise attack" to the American people, everybody else knew about it.....

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-31   12:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: X-15 (#68)

There is evidence that British intelligence told Churchill about the upcoming Jap attack on Pearl Harbor.

X-

From dim memory.

If you look you will find some of Brits were playing footsie with Japs same as Russia was doing with Germany in the 1930s.

In particular was a Navy Commander, cannot recall his name, that was passing information to the Japs. He was advising them how to properly set the depth of their aircraft launched torpedos and such.

Japs were new at aircraft carrier business, he was their man in London.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-31   12:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Deasy (#67)

I'm not here to make friends.

Yes, perhaps not.

I'd assume that you're here to persuade or make an argument, which is great because that's largely what this is all about.

"You" (along with its related pronouns) is a dangerous word in argument as it may be provocative, is often insinuating, and sometimes unintentionally predicates things which are untrue about the reader.

I've found that it's best to stay away from the second person when crossing swords. It helps maintain the focus on the argument and off the personalities.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-07-31   12:57:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull, *antifa* (#59) (Edited)

Hindsight being 20/20, it's a shame we didn't know then what we know now, eh?

At the very least we should all agree that the Nuremberg trials were a hypocritical sham after widespread British and American deployment of saturation bombing with napalm-loaded incendiaries over densely populated areas, and then the first ever use of nuclear weapons against non-combatants.

Also the Nuremberg trials assert that initiating warfare against one's enemies in a preemptive strike is a crime against humanity. It's OK to provoke a declaration of war with economic and low-intensity violence but it's not OK to attack enemies who have first strike plans against you preemptively.

Bush and everyone in congress who voted for the attack on Iraq in 2003 would therefore be war criminals.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-31   12:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: X-15 (#68)

X...

This the Brit that sold everything to the Japanese up to Pearl Harbor...

av8rblog.wordpress.com/20...-pioneer-spied-for-japan/

Brit intelligence knew about him and what he was doing.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-31   12:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: randge, christine (#70) (Edited)

I'd assume that you're here to persuade or make an argument, which is great because that's largely what this is all about.

If any of my challenges are unwarranted, please let me know. Find any that are factually wrong as per all that we know as a forum, or otherwise rhetorically invalid and I will apologize or if I didn't intend the error, I will post a correction.

There is a time and a place to use a rhetorical whip. After a war starts with the justification of warmongers quipping vague and unsubstantiated attacks and unprovable recollections of history, it's usually too late to hit them hard where it counts.

A time of peace is the best time to work against war — before it's too late. Meantime, i will show no mercy to the enemies of peace.

Deasy  posted on  2014-07-31   13:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Cynicom (#69)

I have another book on a completely different topic that details that the U.S. Navy deciphered encrypted Japanese naval communications back around 1925 and kept up with it from that point forward through the duration of the war. That ongoing intelligence enabled the USAAF to shoot down Admiral Yamamoto when he was visiting a forward combat area in the Pacific. There was never a gap in time when the U.S. Navy was not able to decipher the Japanese naval messages.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-07-31   13:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: X-15 (#74)

Reinhard Gehlen the master of all.

He and his people used brain power and common sense. Gehlen was the CIA in Germany for a long time. He and his people were NOT spies nor operatives. Power of deduction fueled by bits and pieces of free information.

Cynicom  posted on  2014-07-31   14:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Deasy (#73)

A time of peace is the best time to work against war — before it's too late. Meantime, i will show no mercy to the enemies of peace.

It is. At least it was when we were in a time of peace. We've been on the road to war for the last dozen years or so, and the crimes that put us on this path are too actionable and too grave for them to be brought to light.

The War Party is in no position to retreat, and while I would like to see truth and reconciliation at a minimum, that is unlikely to happen in this country hypnotized as it is with foopball and the electronic circus.

The socialists have been given the baton temporarily so that they can attempt to institute their own brand of bumbling dirigism, but their clock is running out. The real shitkickers will be back in the driver's seat in the next election and the game will be on.

And no, I don't think your challenges are unwarranted. On the contrary, I think you're entirely asking the right questions. There are a lot of people asking the right questions right now. I just think we've run out of time for that.

Peace.

"If ignorance is truly bliss, then why do so many Americans need Prozac?" - Dave McGowan

randge  posted on  2014-07-31   15:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: randge (#76)

well said. I agree with your assessment completely but particularly this~

The socialists have been given the baton temporarily so that they can attempt to institute their own brand of bumbling dirigism, but their clock is running out. The real shitkickers will be back in the driver's seat in the next election and the game will be on.

The dems have their 8 yrs of welfare expansion and then the repubs have their 8 yrs of warfare expansion...and the beat goes on..and on...and on.

To question is to value the ideal of truth more highly than the loyalties to nation, religion, race, or ideology.

christine  posted on  2014-07-31   20:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2014-08-01   0:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: ghostdogtxn (#78)

Bullshit, you've got more than "Heh" to say!!!!

:)

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2014-08-01   0:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: ghostdogtxn (#78)

He lives! :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2014-08-01   6:14:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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